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Post by BigT on May 7, 2023 19:55:11 GMT -6
There’s some massive flooding happening round here. Can’t believe the amount of flash flooding going on. The Leaves lose and all the tears overload the system, now we have a flood. I’m Sure the flooding in Toronta is much worse with 8 million leaves folk drowning the Don Valley.
There’s always next pre season!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on May 7, 2023 20:58:34 GMT -6
stating the obvious here but this is the main reason the leafs are in a world of shit.
3 games in and the leafs goal scorers are gus, lafferty, bunting, kerfoot, knies and ROR.
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Post by hsbob on May 8, 2023 9:00:45 GMT -6
Toronto drafted the #1 overall in '16',the #4 overall in '15' and the #8 overall in '14',maybe not in this series as gt pointed-out but can anyone say these three high picks haven't been as advertised? What happened?
Have the Leafs ever constructed a well-balanced roster with a hard-nosed,bottom six willing to do the dirty work and a squad willing to out-work opponents every shift? Have they ever pursued a top goaltender? Big bruising,stay at home D-men?
Toronto drafted three world class forwards but never filled in the blanks. Nashville drafted more #1 D-men than I can remember and had a world class GT for a decade but never filled in their own blanks either. The Oliers drafted two of the game's best players in YEARS too,have they finally filled in their blanks? Has Carolina?
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Post by BigT on May 8, 2023 10:01:38 GMT -6
In the modern era. Every team to win the Cup has had a Norris caliber dman. Either they won it or were nominated. Leaves fans say “Giordano won one”. But he’s far past his prime and no longer a minute muncher.
Gotta get the Hedman, Keith, Letsngs, Chara’s, Doughty, Carlson etc. without those guys it seems pointless.
The fact that the leaves have ignored this for some time is alarming. I think they should’ve trade Morgan Reilly and went for Seth Jones. I believe Jones on that team would be the 60-70 point guy and play good d and at least be in the running for the Norris. He fits exactly what they need. But they threw 8 million a year at Reilly for 8 years. So I doubt there’s many moves coming now. But they may have to trade Mathews to a team he desires. If he isn’t open to signing an extension. Gotta protect your assets. I’d trade him and collect a ton of assets back. Maybe LA? Anaheim? Arizona?
If Anaheim gets Bedard. They’ll need someone for him to play with in the immediate future. Leaves could get back McTavish and a couple others for him. LA has one more kick at this. They could send Byfield and a couple others that are ready to break out for Mathews.
I think that’s Toronta’s best options if Mathews doesn’t re-sign. He’s in his prime, and I think he’s probably gonna be uncertain about staying with the Leaves!!!
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Post by Nikos on May 8, 2023 10:18:46 GMT -6
In the modern era. Every team to win the Cup has had a Norris caliber dman. Either they won it or were nominated. Leaves fans say “Giordano won one”. But he’s far past his prime and no longer a minute muncher. Gotta get the Hedman, Keith, Letsngs, Chara’s, Doughty, Carlson etc. without those guys it seems pointless. The fact that the leaves have ignored this for some time is alarming. I think they should’ve trade Morgan Reilly and went for Seth Jones. I believe Jones on that team would be the 60-70 point guy and play good d and at least be in the running for the Norris. He fits exactly what they need. But they threw 8 million a year at Reilly for 8 years. So I doubt there’s many moves coming now. But they may have to trade Mathews to a team he desires. If he isn’t open to signing an extension. Gotta protect your assets. I’d trade him and collect a ton of assets back. Maybe LA? Anaheim? Arizona? If Anaheim gets Bedard. They’ll need someone for him to play with in the immediate future. Leaves could get back McTavish and a couple others for him. LA has one more kick at this. They could send Byfield and a couple others that are ready to break out for Mathews. I think that’s Toronta’s best options if Mathews doesn’t re-sign. He’s in his prime, and I think he’s probably gonna be uncertain about staying with the Leaves!!! Like you have stated earlier Taveras was the wrong move, especially when you have already had 3 talented forwards that need to get paid. You can also say Nylander should have been traded or let him sign a RFA with another team and take the picks. Maybe management thought Reilly was going to be that Norris type dmen, he seems to play a lot of minutes, power play, not sure about penalty kill. I just do not follow his game closely to be objective here, but my eye tells me he plays a lot and with talented forwards. |
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Post by steamer on May 8, 2023 10:22:17 GMT -6
Just a reminder of all that goes in to having a “successful” playoff run. It’s not just drafting, it’s not just grinding, it’s not just coaching - you really need all of them and a few favorable bounces of the puck too. I believe the odds are improved with higher end talent. The Cats have a #1, 2, 4 and 6 picks from prior drafts but until #6 and Paul Maurice came along, they couldn’t get too far in the playoffs. A competitive team? Absolutely - but didn’t have the grinding mentality. Has Boston been a successful organization? Have the Caps? Yes and no. But we have a long way to go here and if it were to have been done without all the recent turnover of players, it should have been started 7 years ago to accomplish it incrementally. The NMCs, feud between Bowman and Q, health issues for Hossa and Bickell, etc and lots of other things sent the franchise south and now IMHO an approach like KD is taking is necessary. I hate the wait, I hate the tank but don’t see how the “new” FO could do much different.
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Post by phill9 on May 8, 2023 10:57:06 GMT -6
So, let's say the Hawks get the #1 pick. Any chance KD trades it for multiple picks, including #1's this year and futures? I would expect it could bring in a haul of draft picks.
Me.....I'm taking Bedard but after some of the trades KD has made for picks, I could see him trading it away for multiple picks
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Post by vadarx on May 8, 2023 10:57:33 GMT -6
So, let's say the Hawks get the #1 pick. Any chance KD trades it for multiple picks, including #1's this year and futures? I woukd expect it could bring in a haul of draft picks. Me.....I'm taking Bedard but after some of the trades KD has made for picks, I could see him trading it away for multiple picks no way, Jose. |
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Post by steamer on May 8, 2023 16:16:29 GMT -6
So, let's say the Hawks get the #1 pick. Any chance KD trades it for multiple picks, including #1's this year and futures? I woukd expect it could bring in a haul of draft picks. Me.....I'm taking Bedard but after some of the trades KD has made for picks, I could see him trading it away for multiple picks no way, Jose. That would take some major balls! In the long run it might even make sense but probably need to take the sure bet. |
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Post by jacksalmon on May 8, 2023 17:51:30 GMT -6
stating the obvious here but this is the main reason the leafs are in a world of shit. 3 games in and the leafs goal scorers are gus, lafferty, bunting, kerfoot, knies and ROR. Reminds me of the choke show put on by Kane and Toews in the first round playoff exit against the Blues in 2016 when they scored a total of one goal between them. Yeah, I know after several lengthy playoff seasons, they were tired. |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 8, 2023 18:33:31 GMT -6
stating the obvious here but this is the main reason the leafs are in a world of shit. 3 games in and the leafs goal scorers are gus, lafferty, bunting, kerfoot, knies and ROR. Reminds me of the choke show put on by Kane and Toews in the first round playoff exit against the Blues in 2016 when they scored a total of one goal between them. Yeah, I know after several lengthy playoff seasons, they were tired. To be fair, that was a game 7 OT loss. The big choke came the following year against the Turds. |
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Post by vadarx on May 8, 2023 23:06:17 GMT -6
stating the obvious here but this is the main reason the leafs are in a world of shit. 3 games in and the leafs goal scorers are gus, lafferty, bunting, kerfoot, knies and ROR. Reminds me of the choke show put on by Kane and Toews in the first round playoff exit against the Blues in 2016 when they scored a total of one goal between them. Yeah, I know after several lengthy playoff seasons, they were tired. Toews had 6 assists and was +2. Kane had 7 points and his one goal was the game winner in OT in game 5 (a game they had to win). he was -1. I might be wrong, but 13 points in 7 games from 2 players is pretty decent. the +/- was the issue. and even after all that, if Gustafsson doesn't fuck up and hand Brouwer a freebie or Seabs goes post in or Crow makes a few more saves, we win. but we didn't and they all have to deal with it, which I'm sure they very little issue doing so after winning 3 (Three.) Cups. |
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Post by Nikos on May 9, 2023 6:22:09 GMT -6
stating the obvious here but this is the main reason the leafs are in a world of shit. 3 games in and the leafs goal scorers are gus, lafferty, bunting, kerfoot, knies and ROR. Reminds me of the choke show put on by Kane and Toews in the first round playoff exit against the Blues in 2016 when they scored a total of one goal between them. Yeah, I know after several lengthy playoff seasons, they were tired. I believe it is fair to criticize players if they do not play up to their capabilities, but to compare what the Leafs suppose stars are doing (or in this case not doing) with what 3-time Stanley Cup champs did for this franchisee, city and fans is ridiculous IMO |
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Post by hsbob on May 9, 2023 11:17:29 GMT -6
stating the obvious here but this is the main reason the leafs are in a world of shit. 3 games in and the leafs goal scorers are gus, lafferty, bunting, kerfoot, knies and ROR. Reminds me of the choke show put on by Kane and Toews in the first round playoff exit against the Blues in 2016 when they scored a total of one goal between them. Yeah, I know after several lengthy playoff seasons, they were tired. So you 'know' it was the year after three consecutive WCF appearances and two cups in three years but you didn't let that stop you? |
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Post by hsbob on May 9, 2023 11:24:51 GMT -6
Reminds me of the choke show put on by Kane and Toews in the first round playoff exit against the Blues in 2016 when they scored a total of one goal between them. Yeah, I know after several lengthy playoff seasons, they were tired. To be fair, that was a game 7 OT loss. The big choke came the following year against the Turds. Was that choke on a par with Tampa's or Boston's after historic seasons? It did come after winning the West though......wake me TF up next time that happens! |
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Post by Nikos on May 9, 2023 12:05:34 GMT -6
To be fair, that was a game 7 OT loss. The big choke came the following year against the Turds. Was that choke on a par with Tampa's or Boston's after historic seasons? It did come after winning the West though......wake me TF up next time that happens! Not an excuse but the Preds were in playoff mode the past few weeks of that regular season and I recall rather not play them in the first round. Similar to what the Bruins faced with the Cats, although Bergeron out for most of the series did not help. The Hawks at home for the first two games did not even score. Game 2 was close I believe 1-0 final, maybe they win this game different outcome. Then game 3 started off well and the unraveled and then by game 4 they were finished. |
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Post by steamer on May 9, 2023 12:15:20 GMT -6
I don’t find “choke” to be the right word for losing during the Hawks’ run. Ultimately they got physically pushed around after Byflugien and some other muscle was moved and their power play became one dimensional with Kane feeding Panarin. To the contrary, more often than not they overcame obstacles and rallied at critical times.
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Post by hsbob on May 9, 2023 12:25:43 GMT -6
Was that choke on a par with Tampa's or Boston's after historic seasons? It did come after winning the West though......wake me TF up next time that happens! Not an excuse but the Preds were in playoff mode the past few weeks of that regular season and I recall rather not play them in the first round. Similar to what the Bruins faced with the Cats, although Bergeron out for most of the series did not help. The Hawks at home for the first two games did not even score. Game 2 was close I believe 1-0 final, maybe they win this game different outcome. Then game 3 started off well and the unraveled and then by game 4 they were finished. There's no doubt that we saw a poor performance from the great cup winning players and HC in that series but it seems that's all some remember from the entire era or it wouldn't be brought up. I choose to cherish the era myself,having endured the 49 years of prior hell! |
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2023 6:38:02 GMT -6
When they talk about the leaves “core 4”. It’s a massive problem when there’s not a Dman in there. That’s how you lose playoff series.
I said it before I’ll say it again. I think Tavares gets off much easier than the others. He signed a big ticket. Was instantly named captain. I think he should be front and center here. I don’t see how he gets less than Marner and Mathews.
None of them go to the hard areas. They want to do it like the regular season. When it doesn’t happen. They fold the tent and head home!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on May 10, 2023 12:00:56 GMT -6
When they talk about the leaves “core 4”. It’s a massive problem when there’s not a Dman in there. That’s how you lose playoff series. I said it before I’ll say it again. I think Tavares gets off much easier than the others. He signed a big ticket. Was instantly named captain. I think he should be front and center here. I don’t see how he gets less than Marner and Mathews. None of them go to the hard areas. They want to do it like the regular season. When it doesn’t happen. They fold the tent and head home!!! We did send them McCabe and depth guys like Lafferty and UFA Kampf. They could have had Murphy too or even Jones. |
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Post by BigT on May 10, 2023 12:16:45 GMT -6
When they talk about the leaves “core 4”. It’s a massive problem when there’s not a Dman in there. That’s how you lose playoff series. I said it before I’ll say it again. I think Tavares gets off much easier than the others. He signed a big ticket. Was instantly named captain. I think he should be front and center here. I don’t see how he gets less than Marner and Mathews. None of them go to the hard areas. They want to do it like the regular season. When it doesn’t happen. They fold the tent and head home!!! We did send them McCabe and depth guys like Lafferty and UFA Kampf. They could have had Murphy too or even Jones. I’ve said before, I would’ve let Reilly walk and went after Jones. I get chemistry and all that. But maybe the problem in Toronta is they’re too comfy? I think on a team like the Leaves, Jones is much better than Reilly. Much better. He’s the minute muncher they always needed. They have no one that’s near a Norris winner. No one. Jones would be in that conversation there. But hopefully for Leaves fans. They lose and get some better qualified people in there. Dubas reminds me of Gord Stellick. He was the GM of the Leaves when he was young too. I believe he was 27 or 28 when he got the job. He failed too. Dubas will be the same. He just doesn’t understand the game enough to be that guy. I believe Shanahan on down to the coaches will all be torched within 48-72 hours!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 10, 2023 12:40:09 GMT -6
When they talk about the leaves “core 4”. It’s a massive problem when there’s not a Dman in there. That’s how you lose playoff series. I said it before I’ll say it again. I think Tavares gets off much easier than the others. He signed a big ticket. Was instantly named captain. I think he should be front and center here. I don’t see how he gets less than Marner and Mathews. None of them go to the hard areas. They want to do it like the regular season. When it doesn’t happen. They fold the tent and head home!!! They could have had Murphy too or even Jones. And they were the best three players on the ice for the Leafs Sunday night. How TF do Matthews,Marner,Nylander and Tavares let that happen for a single period in the PO's ? One point combined from all four? |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 10, 2023 17:09:49 GMT -6
i hope the leafs can extend the series tonight.
love them or hate them, agree or disagree...i think the playoffs are more interesting with toronto in them.
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Post by phill9 on May 10, 2023 17:15:34 GMT -6
Nope GT, I'm obviously pulling for the brooms (and rats) to come out tonight. The Panthers have been my adopted team since Q came in as coach, so I'd love to see them barrel their way to the conference finals and beyond.
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Post by steamer on May 10, 2023 18:12:24 GMT -6
Leafs get the first one.
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Post by steamer on May 10, 2023 18:28:28 GMT -6
Bob keeping it close. Leafs with good pressure.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 10, 2023 18:30:24 GMT -6
of their "core 4", i'd choose nylander last, but he's been their best player for the leafs this series by far (imo). |
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2023 18:34:34 GMT -6
Nope GT, I'm obviously pulling for the brooms (and rats) to come out tonight. The Panthers have been my adopted team since Q came in as coach, so I'd love to see them barrel their way to the conference finals and beyond. I don't mind the cats winning, but I am only pulling for the sweep tonight in order for our picks from tampa to finally get moved up a spot. I'd rather not give the loafs any life and cost us a spot. |
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Post by steamer on May 10, 2023 18:36:24 GMT -6
Gudas with hard clean (kind of) hit on Kampf into the boards. Wonder if he knows he’s in Florida!
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Post by vadarx on May 10, 2023 18:46:22 GMT -6
Bob's having a game this evening. be swell if the cats could take advantage. never know when he might switch to OFF and be garbage...
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