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Post by phill9 on Oct 24, 2023 15:07:42 GMT -6
Not sure Scully was that good. After all, he only lasted 67 years as the Dodgers broadcaster and nobody wanted to do color commentary with him  He was the whole package and could it all, so no need for the color man/woman. You do know what purple means, right? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 10, 2023 23:49:05 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 19, 2024 7:33:18 GMT -6
was replying to a comment tater made in the buffalo GDT but the reply is better suited here because i got a feeling there'll be a few replies. anyhoo...
i'm bracing myself from up and down and all 4 sides, but i guess i'm the only poster here that doesn't mind him. (vosters)
i see improvement in his calling from last year and i do agree he has a ways to go yet...no doubt about that.
i appreciate his enthusiasm and i honestly like the way he calls some of the bigger goals of the year, as few and far between as they've been. he's got a few weird quirks i'm not crazy about...like calling it the blue LINE instead of the BLUE line...or as big-t mentioned...a shot wide of the net is just a shot behind the net. but i'm not bothered by it that much, it's just the way it is.
that guy today (brendan burke) was good. he knew right away there was a penalty on dahlin (as he stepped out the box) maybe even before the ref did. i was impressed because i didn't know and i'm pretty sure vosters wouldn't have known either. but there was likely a time pat foley wouldn't have known that too. maybe i'll dig into it deeper but i have a feeling most play by play guys in the NHL don't have a hockey background...they're just hired for their vocals.
in one of zawaski's podcasts last year he said vosters was always around the 5th or the UC...even called him a rinkrat. said he was really working hard to learn the game on his off days. i'm not the biggest fan of CHGO podcast but i do listen to what zawaski says because of the 3 he's the heart and soul of the show, and the most well connected.
foley's gone unfortunately. anyone that replaced foley was going to open himself up to all kinds of scrutiny. frankly i'm surprised how much grief vosters gets on these boards tbh.
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Post by Nikos on Jan 19, 2024 8:57:11 GMT -6
was replying to a comment tater made in the buffalo GDT but the reply is better suited here because i got a feeling there'll be a few replies. anyhoo... i'm bracing myself from up and down and all 4 sides, but i guess i'm the only poster here that doesn't mind him. (vosters) i see improvement in his calling from last year and i do agree he has a ways to go yet...no doubt about that. i appreciate his enthusiasm and i honestly like the way he calls some of the bigger goals of the year, as few and far between as they've been. he's got a few weird quirks i'm not crazy about...like calling it the blue LINE instead of the BLUE line...or as big-t mentioned...a shot wide of the net is just a shot behind the net. but i'm not bothered by it that much, it's just the way it is. that guy today (brendan burke) was good. he knew right away there was a penalty on dahlin (as he stepped out the box) maybe even before the ref did. i was impressed because i didn't know and i'm pretty sure vosters wouldn't have known either. but there was likely a time pat foley wouldn't have known that too. maybe i'll dig into it deeper but i have a feeling most play by play guys in the NHL don't have a hockey background...they're just hired for their vocals. in one of zawaski's podcasts last year he said vosters was always around the 5th or the UC...even called him a rinkrat. said he was really working hard to learn the game on his off days. i'm not the biggest fan of CHGO podcast but i do listen to what zawaski says because of the 3 he's the heart and soul of the show, and the most well connected. foley's gone unfortunately. anyone that replaced foley was going to open himself up to all kinds of scrutiny. frankly i'm surprised how much grief vosters gets on these boards tbh. I also do not mind Vosters and believe he is much better now than he was last year. Is he perfect no, does he annoy sometimes yes. Very difficult to replace a hall of famer in any capacity or role. It shouldn't be his fault that the Hawks basically pushed Foley out. For me personally it is much easier to criticize him now with the current product and state of the team. Once team improves on the ice, we will have much more opportunity to express our thoughts/opinions on the actual product/game and less on how someone calls a game. I rather provide my opinion on what KD does and how our prospects/players are developing. I understand it is a free country and we all have opinions, so not asking for anyone to not share their thoughts on what is on their minds even in the broadcast booth. In today's world of streaming and internet services we have options, what I can tell you is having to listen to other team's home announcers, Vosters surely is not the cream of the crop, but he is also not the bottom of the barrel IMO. |
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Post by GUEST on Jan 19, 2024 11:49:31 GMT -6
Vosters is too much of a "look at me" announcer. Remember his turtlenecks? He and Colby had to make sure everyone knew they were wearing matching ones. Then this year during "MOVEMBER"......it's NOT an announcer thing, but he just had to grow a beard and have it commented on throughout the month. So that's the start of my dislike of him. I agree with what Galaxytrash said regarding his blue LINE cadence. But he's said too many absolutely stupid things, like when a shot went into the netting and he said something about it being close (sorry, can't remember exactly what he said). And his use of the word Lovely really doesn't fit a hockey broadcast either. And many of his goal calls are delayed far too long after a puck ends up in the net. There are times I can't even tell if a goal has been scored against the Hawks because he's so matter of fact about it. There are more I just can't remember right now. But in the end me personally I don't like his voice for broadcasting. The Hawks should have at worst moved Weideman to the TV broadcast and let Vosters learn the game on the radio broadcast.
As for Foley, I remember when Lloyd Pettit left the Hawks, they went thru several inferior announcers before Foley came on board, and my recollection and feeling was "THIS IS THE GUY" right from the beginning.
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 1, 2024 4:40:33 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Mar 1, 2024 8:44:19 GMT -6
Ohhh how sweet. She looks just like Corey!!!
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Post by hsbob on Mar 2, 2024 9:20:11 GMT -6
I haven't been Vosters' biggest critic because he's more of a symptom than a problem himself,but I have to think Pang and maybe a few others have told him that the blue-LINE and red-LINE aren't pronounced that way.....and they are not. He strikes me as a fairly smart,young guy,so does he do this to set himself apart somehow or is it a habit he can't stop? Either way,it's getting aggravating.
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Post by mikeveisor on Mar 2, 2024 9:39:10 GMT -6
I haven't been Vosters' biggest critic because he's more of a symptom than a problem himself,but I have to think Pang and maybe a few others have told him that the blue-LINE and red-LINE aren't pronounced that way.....and they are not. He strikes me as a fairly smart,young guy,so does he do this to set himself apart somehow or is it a habit he can't stop? Either way,it's getting aggravating. To my ear, Vosters does not have "it" to be the play-by-play - Dan Quinn-like annoying comes to my mind. The one time I watched with the 3 guys just discussing the game, I was shocked that I enjoyed it and favor it as compared to Vosters/Pang (sorry, I don't see "Holy Jumpin!" catching on like Hawk Harrelson's "You can put it on the board..." I'd respect the line better if Pang would drop an F-bomb in rather than Jumpin once, and it got past the delay). The last time I had this reaction when watching Chicago news or sports was Lester Holt YEARS AGO on CBS News Chicago - I would angrily get up off the couch to change the channel when his broadcast would come on. I crossed paths with him years later in a court setting where he was doing a story for NBC. Very normal guy, not stiff like on Ch. 2. Within about 10 more years after that, he's the national nightly guy on NBC News. So maybe Vosters blossoms over time. Maybe he "needs a change of scenery" to advance his broadcast career. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 2, 2024 10:38:32 GMT -6
I haven't been Vosters' biggest critic because he's more of a symptom than a problem himself,but I have to think Pang and maybe a few others have told him that the blue-LINE and red-LINE aren't pronounced that way.....and they are not. He strikes me as a fairly smart,young guy,so does he do this to set himself apart somehow or is it a habit he can't stop? Either way,it's getting aggravating. To my ear, Vosters does not have "it" to be the play-by-play - Dan Quinn-like annoying comes to my mind. The one time I watched with the 3 guys just discussing the game, I was shocked that I enjoyed it and favor it as compared to Vosters/Pang (sorry, I don't see "Holy Jumpin!" catching on like Hawk Harrelson's "You can put it on the board..." I'd respect the line better if Pang would drop an F-bomb in rather than Jumpin once, and it got past the delay). The last time I had this reaction when watching Chicago news or sports was Lester Holt YEARS AGO on CBS News Chicago - I would angrily get up off the couch to change the channel when his broadcast would come on. I crossed paths with him years later in a court setting where he was doing a story for NBC. Very normal guy, not stiff like on Ch. 2. Within about 10 more years after that, he's the national nightly guy on NBC News. So maybe Vosters blossoms over time. Maybe he "needs a change of scenery" to advance his broadcast career. I don't mind his voice or cadence and I haven't looked for reasons to criticize him,but continuing to mispronounce a common hockey term like 'blueline' is just plain aggravating. Since Vosters wasn't an experienced hockey announcer coming-in,I have to assume he's listened to scores of other hockey announcers and has gotten advice from his broadcast partners. Why then would he continue something that makes him sound like a novice? I don't mind Panger at all to be honest,he's kept the 'holy jumpins' to a minimum,opting for a 'thanks for commin' instead and at least he's a hockey guy. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 10, 2024 21:18:58 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Apr 10, 2024 23:57:00 GMT -6
good news, that. too bad John isn't replacing Vosters, though. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 11, 2024 4:51:57 GMT -6
was reading through the comments on the Athletic article about the radio guys being re-upped and almost every comment mentioned Vosters. none of them in a good way, lol.
tough to follow a legend.
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Post by BigT on Apr 11, 2024 6:01:16 GMT -6
I don’t feel like Vosters has a horrible sounding voice. It’s just the fact that he’s not a hockey guy. I’ll give some credit, he seemed to pick up more about the sport this year. But it’s still a tough climb. I’d rather the organization go in a more veteran direction. I don’t see how this is a difficult decision? Vosters would be great with an expansion team or a relocated team. They can all learn together.
I look at the broadcast crew in this way. If I have to do work on my phone, and I’m incapacitated for a period or so. I can listen and figure out what’s going on without watching. I don’t get that with Vosters. And I also feel like Pang is trying too hard to make up for Vosters shortcomings!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 11, 2024 6:20:24 GMT -6
I don’t feel like Vosters has a horrible sounding voice. It’s just the fact that he’s not a hockey guy. I’ll give some credit, he seemed to pick up more about the sport this year. But it’s still a tough climb. I’d rather the organization go in a more veteran direction. I don’t see how this is a difficult decision? Vosters would be great with an expansion team or a relocated team. They can all learn together. I look at the broadcast crew in this way. If I have to do work on my phone, and I’m incapacitated for a period or so. I can listen and figure out what’s going on without watching. I don’t get that with Vosters. And I also feel like Pang is trying too hard to make up for Vosters shortcomings!!! I'll give Vosters credit for putting in the work and trying to learn the game. But it's true, you can't visualize what's happening when he's calling it. Maybe he learns from John calling those games recently, if not, they have to find a more veteran play by play guy. |
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Post by Granada on Apr 18, 2024 8:57:37 GMT -6
I don’t feel like Vosters has a horrible sounding voice. It’s just the fact that he’s not a hockey guy. I’ll give some credit, he seemed to pick up more about the sport this year. But it’s still a tough climb. I’d rather the organization go in a more veteran direction. I don’t see how this is a difficult decision? Vosters would be great with an expansion team or a relocated team. They can all learn together. I look at the broadcast crew in this way. If I have to do work on my phone, and I’m incapacitated for a period or so. I can listen and figure out what’s going on without watching. I don’t get that with Vosters. And I also feel like Pang is trying too hard to make up for Vosters shortcomings!!! I still don't think Vosters really knows what icing is. A couple games ago, he simply goes (paraphrasing), "and.... the refs blow the whistle." I mean, wtf. You can call that nitpicking if you want, but I'm sorry, you should clearly know what icing is at this point. I guess he didn't see that the puck carrier didn't gain the center line, but I don't know how he would miss that. He was a tad short of it, but still, it was obvious. Yup, he doesn't call the games "radio-style" (for lack of a better term). Another reason why I can't stand him. And yes, Pang is worse with him; but I'll say this, as hard as it is for Vosters to replace Foley, even though Pang is decent, it's hard for Pang to replace Edzo. Sure, Edzo was a goofball, but he was a fantastic analyst; he always showed you what was going on behind the play, his observations were always illuminating and on-point, his replay selections were always what I wanted to see replayed. Vosters is just such a frantic announcer too. It's like Pang can't get a word in, there's zero pauses/tempo with Vosters. He's gotten better later in the season; and Grimson seems to know when to jump in moreso than Pang. They should just put the fucking radio team on television. Let Vosters learn the game on the radio, it would serve him good. Or just oust him if he can't do that. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 18, 2024 9:05:31 GMT -6
I don’t feel like Vosters has a horrible sounding voice. It’s just the fact that he’s not a hockey guy. I’ll give some credit, he seemed to pick up more about the sport this year. But it’s still a tough climb. I’d rather the organization go in a more veteran direction. I don’t see how this is a difficult decision? Vosters would be great with an expansion team or a relocated team. They can all learn together. I look at the broadcast crew in this way. If I have to do work on my phone, and I’m incapacitated for a period or so. I can listen and figure out what’s going on without watching. I don’t get that with Vosters. And I also feel like Pang is trying too hard to make up for Vosters shortcomings!!! I still don't think Vosters really knows what icing is. A couple games ago, he simply goes (paraphrasing), "and.... the refs blow the whistle." I mean, wtf. You can call that nitpicking if you want, but I'm sorry, you should clearly know what icing is at this point. I guess he didn't see that the puck carrier didn't gain the center line, but I don't know how he would miss that. He was a tad short of it, but still, it was obvious. Yup, he doesn't call the games "radio-style" (for lack of a better term). Another reason why I can't stand him. And yes, Pang is worse with him; but I'll say this, as hard as it is for Vosters to replace Foley, even though Pang is decent, it's hard for Pang to replace Edzo. Sure, Edzo was a goofball, but he was a fantastic analyst; he always showed you what was going on behind the play, his observations were always illuminating and on-point, his replay selections were always what I wanted to see replayed. Vosters is just such a frantic announcer too. It's like Pang can't get a word in, there's zero pauses/tempo with Vosters. He's gotten better later in the season; and Grimson seems to know when to jump in moreso than Pang. They should just put the fucking radio team on television. Let Vosters learn the game on the radio, it would serve him good. Or just oust him if he can't do that. Just give him Pettit tapes from the 60's and 70's. He painted a picture of game since he was both tv and radio announcer. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 18, 2024 14:03:47 GMT -6
I still don't think Vosters really knows what icing is. A couple games ago, he simply goes (paraphrasing), "and.... the refs blow the whistle." I mean, wtf. You can call that nitpicking if you want, but I'm sorry, you should clearly know what icing is at this point. I guess he didn't see that the puck carrier didn't gain the center line, but I don't know how he would miss that. He was a tad short of it, but still, it was obvious. Yup, he doesn't call the games "radio-style" (for lack of a better term). Another reason why I can't stand him. And yes, Pang is worse with him; but I'll say this, as hard as it is for Vosters to replace Foley, even though Pang is decent, it's hard for Pang to replace Edzo. Sure, Edzo was a goofball, but he was a fantastic analyst; he always showed you what was going on behind the play, his observations were always illuminating and on-point, his replay selections were always what I wanted to see replayed. Vosters is just such a frantic announcer too. It's like Pang can't get a word in, there's zero pauses/tempo with Vosters. He's gotten better later in the season; and Grimson seems to know when to jump in moreso than Pang. They should just put the fucking radio team on television. Let Vosters learn the game on the radio, it would serve him good. Or just oust him if he can't do that. Just give him Pettit tapes from the 60's and 70's. He painted a picture of game since he was both tv and radio announcer. Oh for the "shot and a goal" moment. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 27, 2024 19:37:24 GMT -6
5 bob cole posts moved to the R.I.P. thread down in "the lounge" section of these boards.
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Post by vadarx on May 4, 2024 21:13:59 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on May 4, 2024 21:20:33 GMT -6
i fear change. anyhoo...i hope it's better than bally sports. |
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Post by Tater on May 5, 2024 2:22:54 GMT -6
i fear change.anyhoo...i hope it's better than bally sports. Me too. Things always seem to get worse, like when a company gets bought out.
But... maybe it means they can Vosters!
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Post by BigT on May 5, 2024 11:00:53 GMT -6
Is Vosters a Hawks employee or an NBC? I would like to see a seasoned vet come in and take over, Hawks fans deserve better than this!!!
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 5, 2024 12:06:07 GMT -6
It seems the obvious answer for the question of the best broadcast team is sitting right in front of their collective nose - Weideman and Murray are fabulous and have been the best Hawks broadcast team since Pat and Eddie started their lounge act. The only reason I don't listen to them is the slight delay bothers me too much.
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 6, 2024 21:07:01 GMT -6
It seems the obvious answer for the question of the best broadcast team is sitting right in front of their collective nose - Weideman and Murray are fabulous and have been the best Hawks broadcast team since Pat and Eddie started their lounge act. The only reason I don't listen to them is the slight delay bothers me too much. Not sure they want Troys honesty on the TV. |
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Post by Granada on May 7, 2024 10:57:16 GMT -6
Is Vosters a Hawks employee or an NBC? I would like to see a seasoned vet come in and take over, Hawks fans deserve better than this!!! I believe he's a Blackhawks employee, but I could be wrong. Guys like Pat Boyle I assume are NBC Chicago. Maybe Caley's gone, which would be good. I hate to say this, but honestly, this may seal it for me in terms of saying goodbye to the NHL. I just think the product as a whole has gone way downhill, with the ESPN merger and their awful fucking broadcast and production setups, to the Hawks making similar mistakes with Vosters, to the electronic board ads, to the officiating and drive away from physicality...never thought I'd say that, and who knows, maybe it's complete bull shit, but it just feels like the right time to stop watching if this new "channel" goes south. I'm in my 40's now, it's hard enough these days to follow the sport, the late games specifically. It's such a commitment, whereas you have the NFL with just 17 games on Sunday. If the majority of games -- or even a decent amount per season -- are stream only and I can't get it on my cable, I think I'm done. |
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