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Post by steamer on Oct 21, 2023 8:25:15 GMT -6
He would not get more ice time by moving down. Well maybe minimal from 19+ to 22.
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Post by vadarx on Oct 21, 2023 8:26:06 GMT -6
I strongly suspect Kevin Korchinski's days with the big club are numbered. If so, the team is going to need a replacement for the short term. unless he looks really bad the next few games, I suspect you are wrong. hard no on Boqvist, also. his numbers were skewed by the fact that he got to pilot pp1 in c-bus with Zach out all season. as was already mentioned, he has a hard time staying healthy and he is still 3rd pairing material defensively. they would have to give him to us for peanuts. |
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Post by mvr on Oct 21, 2023 14:55:51 GMT -6
I strongly suspect Kevin Korchinski's days with the big club are numbered. If so, the team is going to need a replacement for the short term. Why do you suspect that? If KD is to be believed that K2's play will dictate whether or not he stays with the Hawks - do you think K2's play has shown he's not ready to play NHL hockey? Korchinski is not that far off. Offensively, he is obviously ready. But defensively, he still needs plenty of work. The situation is likely to deteriorate further as the opponents' pro scouts find ways to exploit his weaknesses. There are not many 19-year-olds ready to play defence in the NHL. As I mentioned earlier in a separate thread, I do worry about Bedard's mental health with so few kids his age around the team. I understand why the team might want to keep him around. But I also worry about Korchinski's confidence. Certainly, Boqvist is much further along in his development (without question he is "soft"). |
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Post by mvr on Oct 21, 2023 15:04:10 GMT -6
I strongly suspect Kevin Korchinski's days with the big club are numbered. If so, the team is going to need a replacement for the short term. unless he looks really bad the next few games, I suspect you are wrong. hard no on Boqvist, also. his numbers were skewed by the fact that he got to pilot pp1 in c-bus with Zach out all season. as was already mentioned, he has a hard time staying healthy and he is still 3rd pairing material defensively. they would have to give him to us for peanuts. We will see about Korchinski. A decision is likely coming in the next couple of weeks. For the player's emotional health (and confidence), management needs to be decisive one way or the other. If Boqvist would replace Korchinski this year, he would become the main guy here on pp1 for the next year plus. For the most part, he'd be a third pairing guy on the right side. He'd be a major upgrade for this role given the coach's present options. I think this addition would be worth sacrificing a third/fourth round pick and a lower-tiered prospect (ie Rolston). |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 21, 2023 21:46:57 GMT -6
unless he looks really bad the next few games, I suspect you are wrong. hard no on Boqvist, also. his numbers were skewed by the fact that he got to pilot pp1 in c-bus with Zach out all season. as was already mentioned, he has a hard time staying healthy and he is still 3rd pairing material defensively. they would have to give him to us for peanuts. We will see about Korchinski. A decision is likely coming in the next couple of weeks. For the player's emotional health (and confidence), management needs to be decisive one way or the other. If Boqvist would replace Korchinski this year, he would become the main guy here on pp1 for the next year plus. For the most part, he'd be a third pairing guy on the right side. He'd be a major upgrade for this role given the coach's present options. I think this addition would be worth sacrificing a third/fourth round pick and a lower-tiered prospect (ie Rolston). 4th (or lower) or a prospect. one or the other and I'm in. otherwise I'd rather watch KK keep getting his feet wet. |
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Post by mvr on Oct 22, 2023 6:24:55 GMT -6
I really see plenty of potential with Korchinski. He sees the ice very well and is a great passer already.
But he is now at -6, tied for worst on the team. When he plays with Murphy, the pair looks overwhelmed especially when locked in their zone. Now with Jones, it is worse, with constant misplayed odd-man rushes. The team is not generating near enough offence to make up for the many scoring chances this pairing is giving up.
If Korchinski remains with the big club, inevitably the coaching staff will start sheltering his minutes which will delay his development.
The kid should be sent back to Juniors to play 30 minutes a game. Phillips is close, but he is not ready either. This is why I support adding an outsider for the short term.
Korchinski is 19. Phillips is 21. What is the rush?
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 22, 2023 7:07:26 GMT -6
If we are talking "Team defence", should add the forwards in the discussion.
Our top D-men during the cup era would not have been as good if not for the forwards
coming back to help out. We don't have that yet so our D-men are going to take a beating.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 22, 2023 8:26:51 GMT -6
If we are talking "Team defence", should add the forwards in the discussion. Our top D-men during the cup era would not have been as good if not for the forwards coming back to help out. We don't have that yet so our D-men are going to take a beating. This. The d-men are guilty of poor play but too often the slot is devoid of forwards playing defense. There's a stark difference between other teams sagging back and jamming up the middle of the ice so the Hawks have no room to make plays and the wide open spaces other teams have to waltz in and shoot or make plays. The forwards must improve on staying on the right side of the puck and helping the d-men actually defend. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 22, 2023 8:47:28 GMT -6
I believe it’s best to keep KK for the duration. The best thing to do would be let him go play for team Canada at the WJC in Sweden this year. He’d miss maybe 10 games for the Hawks. But it’d be good for him to go dominate for a bit. Then come back and finish off his first year. In his absence the Hawks can try out another young Dman. Allan, Phillips etc.
I fear at this point if he goes to Jrs. He’ll more than likely be traded. It’s a lot for a kid to go through. New billets, team mates, city etc. It’s probably best to have some continuity in the young man’s life. I feel sending him to team Canada would be enough. Give him a break from the NHL, let him feel what it’s like to be the “man”. This would be the best way to use him this season!!!
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Post by hsbob on Oct 22, 2023 11:02:13 GMT -6
If we are talking "Team defence", should add the forwards in the discussion. Our top D-men during the cup era would not have been as good if not for the forwards coming back to help out. We don't have that yet so our D-men are going to take a beating. This thread was started to point out improved checking and team defensive play and I believe mvr was correct in pointing these things out. LR's team will again this year attempt to out-work better teams with good defensive responsibility and determination and will again this year be successful at it at times,especially early in the season....also much like last year. We see good teams unable to figure things out early on and some lesser teams that are able,the good teams will figure things out and the lesser teams will out-work opponents for only so long. KUDOS to LR for having his undermanned team ready to go outta the gate again this year and I'm sure they'll out-work opponents from time to time throughout the year but then again there are Avs and Knights on the schedule. Both teams have big,rugged,tallented,two-way,world class,cup winning forwards who can render good defensive systems useless and out-work em? Good luck! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 22, 2023 12:26:25 GMT -6
Why do you suspect that? If KD is to be believed that K2's play will dictate whether or not he stays with the Hawks - do you think K2's play has shown he's not ready to play NHL hockey? Korchinski is not that far off. Offensively, he is obviously ready. But defensively, he still needs plenty of work. The situation is likely to deteriorate further as the opponents' pro scouts find ways to exploit his weaknesses. There are not many 19-year-olds ready to play defence in the NHL. As I mentioned earlier in a separate thread, I do worry about Bedard's mental health with so few kids his age around the team. I understand why the team might want to keep him around. But I also worry about Korchinski's confidence. Certainly, Boqvist is much further along in his development (without question he is "soft"). So, he's about where 2006 Duncan Keith was. O game good, D game needs work. I don't see any huge Gustaffson-level gaps in Korch's D. Just the usual rookie jitters. I do see huge gaps in Murphy's D. How is that on Korch? To be fair I wouldn't be upset if Korch was sent down, but it's less about his play and more about him being burdened with the Jassen Cullimore reincarnated. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 22, 2023 13:14:42 GMT -6
Korchinski is not that far off. Offensively, he is obviously ready. But defensively, he still needs plenty of work. The situation is likely to deteriorate further as the opponents' pro scouts find ways to exploit his weaknesses. There are not many 19-year-olds ready to play defence in the NHL. As I mentioned earlier in a separate thread, I do worry about Bedard's mental health with so few kids his age around the team. I understand why the team might want to keep him around. But I also worry about Korchinski's confidence. Certainly, Boqvist is much further along in his development (without question he is "soft"). So, he's about where 2006 Duncan Keith was. O game good, D game needs work. I don't see any huge Gustaffson-level gaps in Korch's D. Just the usual rookie jitters. I do see huge gaps in Murphy's D. How is that on Korch? To be fair I wouldn't be upset if Korch was sent down, but it's less about his play and more about him being burdened with the Jassen Cullimore reincarnated. Murphy's a 3rd pairing dman playing on the top4, like Jones being a 2nd pair guy on the top2. Eventually they'll be slotted properly, especially when Allan and Del Mastro are ready. Good comparison with Cullimore, at least Murphy isn't scoring on his own goalies. But yeah he's not the right guy to mentor Korchinski, or Vlasic. |
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Post by tincup on Oct 22, 2023 16:44:59 GMT -6
If we are talking "Team defence", should add the forwards in the discussion. Our top D-men during the cup era would not have been as good if not for the forwards coming back to help out. We don't have that yet so our D-men are going to take a beating. So true when your top two centres have approximately half an NHL season between them. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 24, 2023 9:20:21 GMT -6
So, he's about where 2006 Duncan Keith was. O game good, D game needs work. I don't see any huge Gustaffson-level gaps in Korch's D. Just the usual rookie jitters. I do see huge gaps in Murphy's D. How is that on Korch? To be fair I wouldn't be upset if Korch was sent down, but it's less about his play and more about him being burdened with the Jassen Cullimore reincarnated. Murphy's a 3rd pairing dman playing on the top4, like Jones being a 2nd pair guy on the top2. Eventually they'll be slotted properly, especially when Allan and Del Mastro are ready. Good comparison with Cullimore, at least Murphy isn't scoring on his own goalies. But yeah he's not the right guy to mentor Korchinski, or Vlasic. My hope is that Jones/Murph are the Augroin/Cullimore of this gen. Not only are they expendable but neither really did much negative to the development of Keith & Seabrook proper. No, I'm not making Korch/Vlassic into the next Keith/Seabrook--it's WAY too early in their careers at this point to make that call even though both show promise and appear to be viable D-men--maybe even top-4 or top-2. There's not really anything that sticks out about either's games which is concerning at there level; anything negative can be fixed so my judgement on them is that as long as we see progression over the year, they should be fine. It's not like Vlassic is Svedberg slow and it's not like Korch fails his coverage like Runblad. I think in evaluating the team D we have to take each player and their contribution (or lack thereof), as well as their experience into consideration. No one should expect Bedard to be Toews, for instance. Maybe 2008 Toews, but not 2013 Toews. Similar to other rookies like Korch, Vlassic, Reichel, And any of our 1st or 2nd year players--We should expect them to make mistakes but as time goes on the jitters have to wane. The vets, player like Foligno, Hall, Perry, Tandoori, Jones, and Murphy have to have their abilities and experience taken into consideration as well. The vet FWDs have to contribute on Team D--especially with respect to their D-pedigrees, and we can't have Vet D-man blowing coverage. If they do, then as soon as a kid steps up they need to be cycled down. And yeah, I'm hoping Allan and Del Maestro come in next year and show us something. Ditto with some of our prospect FWDs. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 24, 2023 11:54:34 GMT -6
It looks like Kaiser is paired up with Tinordi for the Boston game tonight - but - Tinordi is playing on the right so Kaiser gets to play his natural left side. I like it.
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 30, 2023 18:15:20 GMT -6
it's (almost) official.
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Post by steamer on Nov 9, 2023 9:13:21 GMT -6
Don’t get me wrong - I’m high on Korchinski but stats after 11 games are a +/- of -10 and no hits. Kaiser’s +/1 of 0 and 10 hits. Kaiser has 10 PIM so maybe KK is trying to kill off Kaiser’s penalty and getting tagged with a goal against. I know they play different styles with different partners and against different lines - and it’s only their 1st 11 games in the NHL. They both look good to me but stats are interesting . . .
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Post by irmaks on Nov 9, 2023 11:44:33 GMT -6
Don’t get me wrong - I’m high on Korchinski but stats after 11 games are a +/- of -10 and no hits. Kaiser’s +/1 of 0 and 10 hits. Kaiser has 10 PIM so maybe KK is trying to kill off Kaiser’s penalty and getting tagged with a goal against. I know they play different styles with different partners and against different lines - and it’s only their 1st 11 games in the NHL. They both look good to me but stats are interesting . . . I guess Athletic sees it differently:) The eye test and the data match up for Vlasic Alex Vlasic has seemed to be everywhere in the defensive zone this season. The tracking data supports that, too. First off, no other Blackhawks defenseman has come close to Vlasic’s defensive zone touches per 60. He’s at 38.618. Next is Kevin Korchinski at 31.494, then Connor Murphy at 29.038, Jarred Tinordi at 28.208, Wyatt Kaiser at 29.804, Seth Jones 25.445 and Nikita Zaitsev at 14.135. Vlasic also leads the team with 31.882 retrievals per 60 and has the lowest failed exit percentage at 17.4. Vlasic has also been effective defending the blue line on entries. He leads the Blackhawks with a 14.5 denial percentage, 15.6 percentage of passes allowed and a 13.0 percentage of chances against. Overall, the Blackhawks have to be ecstatic with how far Vlasic has come in his development. Korchinski is holding his own The Blackhawks weren’t too worried about Korchinski in the offensive zone. It was elsewhere that Korchinski was going to have to prove himself. Based on Sznajder’s data, Korchinski is probably doing better than expected. ADVERTISEMENT Korchinski has been utilizing his skating ability to defend entries. His 13.2 denial percentage is second on the team. He’s also third in percentage in passes and chances allowed. It’s also a positive sign that Korchinski is second in defensive zone touches per 60. That’s again him using his skating to get to the puck. Another example of that is him leading the Blackhawks defensemen with 8.947 exits with possession per 60. His failed and successful exit percentages are around the average for the team. The Blackhawks will want him to get better at exiting the zone off retrievals. His 41.8 percent in that category is at the lower end of the defensemen. This and that • Kaiser’s tracking data hasn’t been as promising as Vlasic and Korchinski’s. He’s had issues defending the blue line. His 2.8 denial percentage is the lowest on the team. His 22.2 chances against percentage is second worst to Zaitsev. Exiting the defensive zone also hasn’t been a strength for him. He has a team-worst 53.3 successful exit percentage. He’s been paired mostly with Tinordi and Zaitsev and Kaiser has been playing some on the right and left side, so that may factor into some of this. It’ll be something to watch, though. • Something Jones does at an elite level is get the Blackhawks out of the defensive zone off his retrievals. He has a 65.4 success rate. Comparably, Zaitsev is at 10 percent. Jones also has a team-high 81.5 successful exit percentage. • Foligno’s leadership was talked about mostly when he was acquired, but he’s been one of the Blachhawks’ best players. He’s been second in zone entries and third with carries that lead to chances. He’s also led the Blackhawks in forecheck pressures and tied for first with recovered dump-ins. • Reichel being second on the Blackhawks with zone-entry carries that lead to chances is encouraging for the Blackhawks, especially since a lot of them were while he was at center. He’s another player who creates a lot of his offense off the rush. ADVERTISEMENT • Taylor Hall missed four games, but the data indicates he’s definitely making a difference when he’s on the ice. He leads the Blackhawks with 10.08 shot assists per 60 minutes and is second to Bedard in primary contributions per 60 minutes. |
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Post by steamer on Nov 9, 2023 12:38:46 GMT -6
Interesting stats and many positives to take away from this. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 9, 2023 13:16:21 GMT -6
Don’t get me wrong - I’m high on Korchinski but stats after 11 games are a +/- of -10 and no hits. Kaiser’s +/1 of 0 and 10 hits. Kaiser has 10 PIM so maybe KK is trying to kill off Kaiser’s penalty and getting tagged with a goal against. I know they play different styles with different partners and against different lines - and it’s only their 1st 11 games in the NHL. They both look good to me but stats are interesting . . . Goals against on the PK don't affect the +/-. It'd strange Korchinski doesn't have any hits but he's using his size and strength to take out players along the boards and it usually results in getting the puck back. Plus KK is good at blocking shots. And I'm liking how Kaiser is playing lately but he still makes some bad passes, especially in his own zone and most of the time it's right on the other teams tape. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 9, 2023 14:25:24 GMT -6
Don’t get me wrong - I’m high on Korchinski but stats after 11 games are a +/- of -10 and no hits. Kaiser’s +/1 of 0 and 10 hits. Kaiser has 10 PIM so maybe KK is trying to kill off Kaiser’s penalty and getting tagged with a goal against. I know they play different styles with different partners and against different lines - and it’s only their 1st 11 games in the NHL. They both look good to me but stats are interesting . . .
It'd strange Korchinski doesn't have any hits but he's using his size and strength to take out players along the boards and it usually results in getting the puck back. Plus KK is good at blocking shots. And I'm liking how Kaiser is playing lately but he still makes some bad passes, especially in his own zone and most of the time it's right on the other teams tape. Unless you give up a shorty against while on the PP. That counts to the +/- |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 9, 2023 15:57:29 GMT -6
Goals against on the PK don't affect the +/-.
It'd strange Korchinski doesn't have any hits but he's using his size and strength to take out players along the boards and it usually results in getting the puck back. Plus KK is good at blocking shots. And I'm liking how Kaiser is playing lately but he still makes some bad passes, especially in his own zone and most of the time it's right on the other teams tape. Unless you give up a shorty against while on the PP. That counts to the +/- I believe if you are shorthanded, and you score while the other team is on the power play the entire penalty killing team receives a + pretty sure. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 9, 2023 16:00:27 GMT -6
Goals against on the PK don't affect the +/-.
It'd strange Korchinski doesn't have any hits but he's using his size and strength to take out players along the boards and it usually results in getting the puck back. Plus KK is good at blocking shots. And I'm liking how Kaiser is playing lately but he still makes some bad passes, especially in his own zone and most of the time it's right on the other teams tape. Unless you give up a shorty against while on the PP. That counts to the +/- Yeah but steamer said KKs +/- might be high because he's killing Kaiser's penalties. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Nov 9, 2023 16:40:35 GMT -6
If we are talking "Team defence", should add the forwards in the discussion. Our top D-men during the cup era would not have been as good if not for the forwards coming back to help out. We don't have that yet so our D-men are going to take a beating. This. The d-men are guilty of poor play but too often the slot is devoid of forwards playing defense. There's a stark difference between other teams sagging back and jamming up the middle of the ice so the Hawks have no room to make plays and the wide open spaces other teams have to waltz in and shoot or make plays. The forwards must improve on staying on the right side of the puck and helping the d-men actually defend. What might also help is that if someone could figure better ways for this team to get puck out of the d zone. Right now, they aren't very good at passing or skating it out. That results in the puck staying in that zone more often and for longer periods of time than should be. |
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Post by steamer on Nov 9, 2023 18:27:39 GMT -6
Unless you give up a shorty against while on the PP. That counts to the +/- Yeah but steamer said KKs +/- might be high because he's killing Kaiser's penalties. Yeah I was wrong😞 |
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Post by steamer on Dec 6, 2023 15:30:54 GMT -6
Tinordi apparently is in concussion protocol and unlikely for tomorrow. I assume Crevier will be back in - a good thing.
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 6, 2023 15:46:43 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 6, 2023 15:48:27 GMT -6
Tinordi apparently is in concussion protocol and unlikely for tomorrow. I assume Crevier will be back in - a good thing. |
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Post by tincup on Dec 6, 2023 15:58:33 GMT -6
I agree. Raddysh did little but he did steer him into Vlasic who should have played the body. One player beating two like that is abysmal. And now they’re wide open. And even if Mrazek makes a save there on a low shot the puck goes to another Jet because Katchouk lets him have a step on him. |
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Post by tincup on Dec 8, 2023 13:16:08 GMT -6
Hawks have used 9 defensemen so far. There’s some interesting data piling up. If you believe in analytics all of them are below 50% in the usual measurable metrics. Only two, the team being what it is, get more offensive zone starts than d zone starts, Jones and by far, Korchinski. Tinordi, Vlasic and Murphy are the three leaders in d zone starts. Due to the Hawks inability to exit their own zone consistently their numbers suffer greatly.
What’s also noticeable is the takeaway/giveaway stat. I expect defensmen to always skew more on the giveaway side due to the aspects of their job, witness KK at 9/27 and Jones at 12/29. Most of the others follow that trend to a lesser degree. The only exception is Vlasic, on the plus side with 18/13.
TOI matters. Jones is by far the leader in icetime, over 25 minutes a game so he easily gets the most touches. Vlasic, KK and Murphy come in at 19 and change. I’d assume Jones and who he partners with usually get the tougher opposition. Vlasic, Jones and Murphy get the brunt of the PK. Crevier, in a small sample, did a fair bit of PK in his second game.
Theres no issue with protecting KK with the Ozone starts and such, his scouting report noted defense was still a work in progress, similar to Anaheim’s Mintyukov, another young skilled player. But i think the time Vlasic received in Rockford, along with his God given attributes, points to the benefit of development in the pros. I’m hoping Crevier shows the same progress.
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