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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 9, 2023 7:58:04 GMT -6
I agree. Raddysh did little but he did steer him into Vlasic who should have played the body. One player beating two like that is abysmal. And now they’re wide open. And even if Mrazek makes a save there on a low shot the puck goes to another Jet because Katchouk lets him have a step on him. There was a lot wrong with that clip, Vlasic shouldn't have went to Vilardi, should've kept him to the outside, Katchouk went wide to cover someone who wasn't a threat, and Jones should've stopped instead of sliding away from the front of the net All 4 guys should've collapsed to the front of the net. If that play is why Katchouk is a healthy scratch...again, that's bs. |
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Post by tincup on Dec 9, 2023 13:58:05 GMT -6
I agree. Raddysh did little but he did steer him into Vlasic who should have played the body. One player beating two like that is abysmal. And now they’re wide open. And even if Mrazek makes a save there on a low shot the puck goes to another Jet because Katchouk lets him have a step on him. If that play is why Katchouk is a healthy scratch...again, that's bs. I hope not considering the abysmal checking from most of these guys. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 10, 2023 4:17:43 GMT -6
just 13 defensemen with a better +/- then vlasic's +10. of those 13, only 2 are from sub .500 teams. (marcus pettersson and erik karlsson, both from pittsburg)
it really is something considering we own the 2nd worst goal differential at -27.
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 11, 2023 2:48:20 GMT -6
crevier was picked at #188. only one other defenseman has been drafted by the hawks later than that and played in the nhl. that's byfuglien of course, picked #245 in 2003. so the young man ought to be proud of himself. still a long way to go but so far, so good. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Blackhawks_draft_picksquite fitting he got his first point on vlasic's goal. |
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Post by BigT on Dec 11, 2023 10:51:27 GMT -6
Kinda hard not to root for Crevier. At 6 foot fifty the guy is huge. It would be nice to have a surprise like that. Now if we can get Vlasic and Crevier pissed off every night. I could play net and have a .900 save %!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 11, 2023 12:45:15 GMT -6
Kinda hard not to root for Crevier. At 6 foot fifty the guy is huge. It would be nice to have a surprise like that. Now if we can get Vlasic and Crevier pissed off every night. I could play net and have a .900 save %!!! Or as Eddie O used to say, "He's 6'-12" " |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 11, 2023 23:05:26 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 12, 2023 6:06:32 GMT -6
crevier was picked at #188. only one other defenseman has been drafted by the hawks later than that and played in the nhl. that's byfuglien of course, picked #245 in 2003. so the young man ought to be proud of himself. still a long way to go but so far, so good. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Blackhawks_draft_picksquite fitting he got his first point on vlasic's goal. It's been fun watching him progress since the QMJHL. Last season was his first as a pro and he had 5 assists in 62gms, he matched that this season in 16gms while playing top2 minutes. He's not going to rock guys, like Vlasic, but he'll frustrate them with that long reach. And also like Vlasic, they were agile for their size when drafted and both worked hard on their acceleration and speed, which got them to Chicago, hopefully they're here long term. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Dec 12, 2023 10:06:52 GMT -6
crevier was picked at #188. only one other defenseman has been drafted by the hawks later than that and played in the nhl. that's byfuglien of course, picked #245 in 2003. so the young man ought to be proud of himself. still a long way to go but so far, so good. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Blackhawks_draft_picksquite fitting he got his first point on vlasic's goal. It's been fun watching him progress since the QMJHL. Last season was his first as a pro and he had 5 assists in 62gms, he matched that this season in 16gms while playing top2 minutes. He's not going to rock guys, like Vlasic, but he'll frustrate them with that long reach. And also like Vlasic, they were agile for their size when drafted and both worked hard on their acceleration and speed, which got them to Chicago, hopefully they're here long term. I have been very impressed with his footwork he is not the smoothest but a lot better then I thought. Guess him and the Pickle are good buds And the guy they call Big Lou is really loved in the Lockeroom. Be great if he works out! |
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Post by ukhawk on Dec 15, 2023 6:56:45 GMT -6
Its getting really tough to watch. It seems like Jones is an important piece for the defence. No other vet presence to mentor the kids.
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Post by steamer on Dec 15, 2023 10:07:35 GMT -6
Its getting really tough to watch. It seems like Jones is an important piece for the defence. No other vet presence to mentor the kids. As flawed as his play is at times, Seth is a very important piece of this team. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 15, 2023 10:38:18 GMT -6
We knew it probably wouldn't be pretty this year and that was before the team lost 3 of it's top 5 forwards and Jones leaves a hole.....like it or not.
There'll be nights they out-work teams that don't have their legs and there's more Bedard highlight glimpses to come but they're under-manned to the point where they just don't match-up with most teams now that most teams have figured things out.
Some of the losses will be deflating but they offer the team luxuries of low expectations that no other team really has.....
#1. A very understanding and patient fanbase,content watching Bedard and buying his jersey for now and probably a bit longer.
#2. The ability to see a lot of kids get a lot of ice-time the rest of the way. The team has 53 games left to further develop and more importantly assess young players like Reichel and Soderblom,the still young GT has one year left after this one but Reichel's RFA deal is due and it's startin' to look like a cheap QO might be all he sees. Maybe a cheap 'bridge deal' if he picks it up in the 2nd half. He'll be a cheap re-do either way at least.
#3. I thought a second consecutive tank season might not go over well around the league after landing Bedard but it doesn't look like anybody gives a shit to me to be honest. It's as if teams pity the Hawks,you rarely see opponents get overly physical and some even seem reluctant to celebrate after scoring.
#4. The biggest of the luxuries might be the draft haul to come from the deflating loses,the team's own picks in every round are alone quite the advantage,add another 1st,two more 2nd's and another 3rd this summer.
#5. The following two drafts will also include lower expectations with the resulting high picks and a surplus of another 1st and three 2nd's.
Even if those lower expectations include improvements to the point of some type of competitiveness and sone talent to play with Bedard,the team would still be drafting from the #8-10 position for a few more years. Did I leave out the luxury of all luxuries?
An almost unimaginable amount of cap-space for the foreseeable future.......even after paying Bedard in a year or two!
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Post by steamer on Dec 15, 2023 10:59:25 GMT -6
We knew it probably wouldn't be pretty this year and that was before the team lost 3 of it's top 5 forwards and Jones leaves a hole.....like it or not. There'll be nights they out-work teams that don't have their legs and there's more Bedard highlight glimpses to come but they're under-manned to the point where they just don't match-up with most teams now that most teams have figured things out. Some of the losses will be deflating but they offer the team luxuries of low expectations that no other team really has..... #1. A very understanding and patient fanbase,content watching Bedard and buying his jersey for now and probably a bit longer. #2. The ability to see a lot of kids get a lot of ice-time the rest of the way. The team has 53 games left to further develop and more importantly assess young players like Reichel and Soderblom,the still young GT has one year left after this one but Reichel's RFA deal is due and it's startin' to look like a cheap QO might be all he sees. Maybe a cheap 'bridge deal' if he picks it up in the 2nd half. He'll be a cheap re-do either way at least. #3. I thought a second consecutive tank season might not go over well around the league after landing Bedard but it doesn't look like anybody gives a shit to me to be honest. It's as if teams pity the Hawks,you rarely see opponents get overly physical and some even seem reluctant to celebrate after scoring. #4. The biggest of the luxuries might be the draft haul to come from the deflating loses,the team's own picks in every round are alone quite the advantage,add another 1st,two more 2nd's and another 3rd this summer. #5. The following two drafts will also include lower expectations with the resulting high picks and a surplus of another 1st and three 2nd's. Even if those lower expectations include improvements to the point of some type of competitiveness and sone talent to play with Bedard,the team would still be drafting from the #8-10 position for a few more years. Did I leave out the luxury of all luxuries? An almost unimaginable amount of cap-space for the foreseeable future.......even after paying Bedard in a year or two! Excellent summary of where things stand. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Dec 15, 2023 12:09:06 GMT -6
Its getting really tough to watch. It seems like Jones is an important piece for the defence. No other vet presence to mentor the kids. As flawed as his play is at times, Seth is a very important piece of this team. Without Seth their ability to get out of their zone has been essentially cut in half. |
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Post by tincup on Dec 24, 2023 15:28:21 GMT -6
Should turn that discerning eye towards his veterans as well…
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Post by steamer on Dec 24, 2023 16:02:34 GMT -6
Should turn that discerning eye towards his veterans as well… Looks like Chicago Sun-Times trying to create controversy. Luke’s comments about errors would apply to all of the D-men. Phillips is getting there but hasn’t cemented an NHL spot IMO. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 24, 2023 16:30:26 GMT -6
I like he has that attitude.
Now just go out there and prove it.
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Post by tincup on Dec 24, 2023 17:50:20 GMT -6
I like he has that attitude. Now just go out there and prove it. Eighth stint, thirty seventh game. By far his longest stretch up. He’s getting better while the team around him is worse. Poor kid is saddled with 60% defensive zone starts on a team that can’t clear the zone. But in retrospect he probably should have started the year over Kaiser. I think he’s just being prepped to be low balled on a new contract. But there’s new toys on the horizon so who knows if he gets more chances. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 12, 2024 18:06:55 GMT -6
poking around the nhl stat page i saw that 11 defensemen have played for chicago this year and only vlasic has a higher takeaways/60 minutes than giveaways/60 minutes....2.26 takeaways to 1.85 giveaways.
going a step further, of the top 20 defensemen in minutes played/game, only 2 defensemen can lay claim to that stat.
makar has 2.35 tw/60 and 1.30 gw/60 while his teammate devon toews has 1.87 tw/60 and 1.46 gw/60.
one step further, out of all the defensemen in the league who have played more than 5 games, only makar has more takeaways/60 minutes than vlasic. i was very pleasantly surprised to see vlasic in such heady company in regard to that particular stat.
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Post by Tater on Jan 13, 2024 2:59:35 GMT -6
poking around the nhl stat page i saw that 11 defensemen have played for chicago this year and only vlasic has a higher takeaways/60 minutes than giveaways/60 minutes....2.26 takeaways to 1.85 giveaways. going a step further, of the top 20 defensemen in minutes played/game, only 2 defensemen can lay claim to that stat. makar has 2.35 tw/60 and 1.30 gw/60 while his teammate devon toews has 1.87 tw/60 and 1.46 gw/60. one step further, out of all the defensemen in the league who have played more than 5 games, only makar has more takeaways/60 minutes than vlasic. i was very pleasantly surprised to see vlasic in such heady company in regard to that particular stat.
It calms my nerves when he is on the ice. Felt the same way when Keith was in.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 15, 2024 22:30:33 GMT -6
a tale of 2 defensemen.
i don't understand all of the different categories but i do get the sense they're pretty good.
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Post by tincup on Jan 15, 2024 22:53:36 GMT -6
poking around the nhl stat page i saw that 11 defensemen have played for chicago this year and only vlasic has a higher takeaways/60 minutes than giveaways/60 minutes....2.26 takeaways to 1.85 giveaways. going a step further, of the top 20 defensemen in minutes played/game, only 2 defensemen can lay claim to that stat. makar has 2.35 tw/60 and 1.30 gw/60 while his teammate devon toews has 1.87 tw/60 and 1.46 gw/60. one step further, out of all the defensemen in the league who have played more than 5 games, only makar has more takeaways/60 minutes than vlasic. i was very pleasantly surprised to see vlasic in such heady company in regard to that particular stat. That’s actually a pretty rare stat for a defenseman to have. Keith accomplished that only twice in a season, Seabrook and Hjalmarsson never did it. It’s usually a forward that pulls that off, for instance Toews did it every year except for the last he played here. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 15, 2024 22:57:11 GMT -6
poking around the nhl stat page i saw that 11 defensemen have played for chicago this year and only vlasic has a higher takeaways/60 minutes than giveaways/60 minutes....2.26 takeaways to 1.85 giveaways. going a step further, of the top 20 defensemen in minutes played/game, only 2 defensemen can lay claim to that stat. makar has 2.35 tw/60 and 1.30 gw/60 while his teammate devon toews has 1.87 tw/60 and 1.46 gw/60. one step further, out of all the defensemen in the league who have played more than 5 games, only makar has more takeaways/60 minutes than vlasic. i was very pleasantly surprised to see vlasic in such heady company in regard to that particular stat. That’s actually a pretty rare stat for a defenseman to have. Keith accomplished that only twice in a season, Seabrook and Hjalmarsson never did it. It’s usually a forward that pulls that off, for instance Toews did it every year except for the last he played here. i didn't dive into it too deep but yeah...among defensemen it doesn't happen much. cheers for digging up those comparison's...interesting. |
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Post by Tater on Jan 16, 2024 2:33:06 GMT -6
It's gonna be tricky signing him to the right deal soon.
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Post by 2old4this on Jan 16, 2024 5:28:09 GMT -6
It's gonna be tricky signing him to the right deal soon. He has been consistent enough to justify signing him for 5-8 years. I think he will start working on his shot soon. A good slap shot will make him dangerous. He could become the #1 d-man we need so badly. |
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Post by steamer on Jan 16, 2024 9:22:04 GMT -6
I hope his development is due in part to the Hawks coaching staff. That would bode well for those following behind him too.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jan 16, 2024 9:38:20 GMT -6
It's gonna be tricky signing him to the right deal soon. Yup he was smart to make hawks burn his first year. Soon KD is gonna have to start doing work. |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jan 16, 2024 10:40:04 GMT -6
It's gonna be tricky signing him to the right deal soon. He has been consistent enough to justify signing him for 5-8 years. I think he will start working on his shot soon. A good slap shot will make him dangerous. He could become the #1 d-man we need so badly. I don't see him agreeing to Zaitsev's $-slot for 5-8 years - and I do not know of any good comps for him from the last couple of years around the league. He's clearly a step above Murphy in my book, darn near a more relaxing force than Jones at his $$. Isn't this the contract where the Hawks got Keith relatively cheap right after their first cup? |
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Post by Hockey is great on Jan 16, 2024 11:09:22 GMT -6
He has been consistent enough to justify signing him for 5-8 years. I think he will start working on his shot soon. A good slap shot will make him dangerous. He could become the #1 d-man we need so badly. I don't see him agreeing to Zaitsev's $-slot for 5-8 years - and I do not know of any good comps for him from the last couple of years around the league. He's clearly a step above Murphy in my book, darn near a more relaxing force than Jones at his $$. Isn't this the contract where the Hawks got Keith relatively cheap right after their first cup? Probably Mattias Samuelsson as a comp contract wise |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jan 16, 2024 11:44:28 GMT -6
I don't see him agreeing to Zaitsev's $-slot for 5-8 years - and I do not know of any good comps for him from the last couple of years around the league. He's clearly a step above Murphy in my book, darn near a more relaxing force than Jones at his $$. Isn't this the contract where the Hawks got Keith relatively cheap right after their first cup? Probably Mattias Samuelsson as a comp contract wise 7 years, 30M. That probably would be tough to pass up. But his agent may recommend a shorter term so as not to be underpaid in a few years if he continues to progress. |
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