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Post by malagahawks on Oct 19, 2023 23:43:36 GMT -6
What a terrible, humiliating loss. Everyone played terrible. It reminded me of those Colliton slopfests where we got outshot by 2 or 2.5 to one. It was Men against boys where we got outworked, outhustled, and just outplayed all night long. It could have been 6 or 7 zip. This just told me we have a long way to go before we reach the promised land. I saw Bedard look overmatched on a couple of plays, you can tell he is not used to losing like this. It will get better but they are gonna take plenty of lumps in the next 3-4 weeks.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 20, 2023 1:34:29 GMT -6
I don't think the Hawks played badly nor did they give up or give a poor effort - they simply got run over by a superior team firing on all cylinders including their goalie.
The objective is to get the young guys game experience - they got a big heaping helping of that tonight. Good.
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Post by BigT on Oct 20, 2023 5:44:11 GMT -6
Sure this was pure asskickery. I seen a teem at the end of a road trip look like they were out of gas. What a shitty way to start the season. 5 games, 10-11 days on the road. I haven’t looked at the schedule, but I hope the Hawks have 2 weeks at home now. It’s a tough way for kids to start their careers.
One thing I’d like to see is the Hawks score more. Especially the pp. gotta get that going. I think they need to change things up. Get some more talent out there. Donato and Perry is a tough sell on the pp!!!
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 20, 2023 8:49:16 GMT -6
I don't think the Hawks played badly nor did they give up or give a poor effort - they simply got run over by a superior team firing on all cylinders including their goalie. The objective is to get the young guys game experience - they got a big heaping helping of that tonight. Good. Im gonna go with they did not play well there was no pushback. Thats a real good team, they got some experience last night and im sure some of it was a blur. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 20, 2023 9:20:32 GMT -6
I don't think the Hawks played badly nor did they give up or give a poor effort - they simply got run over by a superior team firing on all cylinders including their goalie. The objective is to get the young guys game experience - they got a big heaping helping of that tonight. Good. While it is true that they played a superior team that was playing well, it is also true that the Hawks really do lack any serious offense other than picking up the occasional goal produced by hustle. As proof of my point, this team is 1 for 20, or something close to that, on their power plays and last night there was a graphic that stated that they had not had a shot on goal for 17 minutes. Yes, no shots on goal for almost one whole period. That is offensive anemia, bordering on offensive catatonia. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 20, 2023 9:24:16 GMT -6
Sure this was pure asskickery. I seen a teem at the end of a road trip look like they were out of gas. What a shitty way to start the season. 5 games, 10-11 days on the road. I haven’t looked at the schedule, but I hope the Hawks have 2 weeks at home now. It’s a tough way for kids to start their careers. One thing I’d like to see is the Hawks score more. Especially the pp. gotta get that going. I think they need to change things up. Get some more talent out there. Donato and Perry is a tough sell on the pp!!! 2 at home and then back on the road. basically the entire month of February will be spent at home (one (1!) away game). I'd say everyone is in agreement on the pp. with a wunderkind with a ridiculous shot on the pp, maybe we should start setting him ala the Caps and Ovi? perhaps having him move all over isn't taking advantage of his shot. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 20, 2023 9:27:41 GMT -6
Sure this was pure asskickery. I seen a teem at the end of a road trip look like they were out of gas. What a shitty way to start the season. 5 games, 10-11 days on the road. I haven’t looked at the schedule, but I hope the Hawks have 2 weeks at home now. It’s a tough way for kids to start their careers. One thing I’d like to see is the Hawks score more. Especially the pp. gotta get that going. I think they need to change things up. Get some more talent out there. Donato and Perry is a tough sell on the pp!!! And from where are they supposed to get that talent? Maybe at some point in the next few years, the opportunity will show up. But it ain't gonna happen this year. They got the best young offensive player in the world for this year and that isn't going to happen again. Oh well, there were reasons why the "experts" were picking the Hawks as the 30th worst team in the NHL in most of the forecasts for 23/24 and they are showing. I love their hustle and effort, but they can only go so far to make up for a serious lack of offensive skills. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 20, 2023 10:32:47 GMT -6
Sure this was pure asskickery. I seen a teem at the end of a road trip look like they were out of gas. What a shitty way to start the season. 5 games, 10-11 days on the road. I haven’t looked at the schedule, but I hope the Hawks have 2 weeks at home now. It’s a tough way for kids to start their careers. One thing I’d like to see is the Hawks score more. Especially the pp. gotta get that going. I think they need to change things up. Get some more talent out there. Donato and Perry is a tough sell on the pp!!! And from where are they supposed to get that talent? Maybe at some point in the next few years, the opportunity will show up. But it ain't gonna happen this year. They got the best young offensive player in the world for this year and that isn't going to happen again. Oh well, there were reasons why the "experts" were picking the Hawks as the 30th worst team in the NHL in most of the forecasts for 23/24 and they are showing. I love their hustle and effort, but they can only go so far to make up for a serious lack of offensive skills. Jack I’d say that the most talented should include Reichel at least. Bedard, Reichel, T Johnson. That looks to me as a better option. Or Hall, T Johnson, Bedard etc etc. I feel there’s a few better options out there. That’s just me!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 20, 2023 10:43:50 GMT -6
I don't think the Hawks played badly nor did they give up or give a poor effort - they simply got run over by a superior team firing on all cylinders including their goalie. The objective is to get the young guys game experience - they got a big heaping helping of that tonight. Good. While it is true that they played a superior team that was playing well, it is also true that the Hawks really do lack any serious offense other than picking up the occasional goal produced by hustle. As proof of my point, this team is 1 for 20, or something close to that, on their power plays and last night there was a graphic that stated that they had not had a shot on goal for 17 minutes. Yes, no shots on goal for almost one whole period. That is offensive anemia, bordering on offensive catatonia. With the way that powerplay is run? Whoever came up with that scheme needs to go back to the drawing board or be fired. Way too passive. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 20, 2023 11:04:44 GMT -6
I found an article grading Bedard's performance in his first week as an NHLer, including the Av game, and pulled this out of it:
"Bedard has been as good as advertised through his first week of play, highlighted by his domination of the Penguins' stars at even strength.
However, as of Oct. 17, Bedard was also one of the worst players in the NHL in goals above expected, alongside Blackhawks teammate Lukas Reichel. Reichel was dead-last with a -2.2, while Bedard was just ahead of him with a mark of -2.1 — good for 610th in the NHL. Bedard's finishing will improve as he gets a better read on NHL goaltenders and more experience in general. Not a bad start for the future Blackhawks superstar."
I am not quoting this article in order to put Bedard down as I would expect that his performance will improve based on his past history. My quote really concerns Reichel, who did not have the type of pre-NHl success that Bedard had. Reichel has been nominated as another potential star that will carry the Blackhawks into a bright future along with Bedard. I have seen nothing from Reichel that shows me why he has been so nominated and that is very concerning for a team that lacks any real alternatives to help support a very flawed offense.
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Post by steamer on Oct 20, 2023 12:15:44 GMT -6
Think we all have to have some patience. This is not a very good hockey team - yet. The kids are getting some experience and the vets are not all that talented in the scoring dept. Then the schedule has to rank among the hardest that could be concocted having to play all these home openers for playoff level teams. Two with Cup champs Vegas coming up and one with record points for regular season Bruins. Unbelievable!
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 20, 2023 13:07:13 GMT -6
While it is true that they played a superior team that was playing well, it is also true that the Hawks really do lack any serious offense other than picking up the occasional goal produced by hustle. As proof of my point, this team is 1 for 20, or something close to that, on their power plays and last night there was a graphic that stated that they had not had a shot on goal for 17 minutes. Yes, no shots on goal for almost one whole period. That is offensive anemia, bordering on offensive catatonia. With the way that powerplay is run? Whoever came up with that scheme needs to go back to the drawing board or be fired. Way too passive. That would be Derek King coaching the offense/PP. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 20, 2023 13:54:52 GMT -6
With the way that powerplay is run? Whoever came up with that scheme needs to go back to the drawing board or be fired. Way too passive. That would be Derek King coaching the offense/PP. I was not a Derek King fan when he was the Rockford coach because it didn't seem the players under his tutelage improved very much, if at all. I don't know what percentage of that perceived failure was on King or the players were just not very good. I'm kind of in the same boat with him now coaching the offense/PP with the Hawks - how much of the failure is on King and how much is on the dearth of talent? One thing that has become very apparent is the opposing PK is crowding Bedard limiting his space and options. Did King anticipate that and if no - why not? What measures can be taken to counteract the PK playing essentially a box-and-one defense on Bedard, and is King savvy enough to design and implement a solution? It's seems the best option for the PP is to get the 5 best players on PP1 and have PP2 play a defensive game and not give up shorthanded chances, which sounds like knee-jerk hyperbole but the truth is the PP isn't scoring now anyway so better to enhance the chances for the 70% of time PP1 is on the ice and just don't make things worse the other 30% of the time. Remember long ago before the 4+1 PP became all the rage - back in the day when PP's used 2 d-men to go along with 3 forwards? How about giving that a try with K2 and Seth joining Bedard, Reichel and Hall? Can it be worse than what it is now? Plus the 4+1 format works best when the guy cruising the blue line has a cannon shot which the PK opponent must account for - well the Hawks don't have a cannon shot to be that "1". Neither Seth nor K2 have a shot that scares anyone - especially from out at the blue line. I'd like to see them give it a try. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Oct 20, 2023 16:04:27 GMT -6
That would be Derek King coaching the offense/PP. I was not a Derek King fan when he was the Rockford coach because it didn't seem the players under his tutelage improved very much, if at all. I don't know what percentage of that perceived failure was on King or the players were just not very good. I'm kind of in the same boat with him now coaching the offense/PP with the Hawks - how much of the failure is on King and how much is on the dearth of talent? One thing that has become very apparent is the opposing PK is crowding Bedard limiting his space and options. Did King anticipate that and if no - why not? What measures can be taken to counteract the PK playing essentially a box-and-one defense on Bedard, and is King savvy enough to design and implement a solution? It's seems the best option for the PP is to get the 5 best players on PP1 and have PP2 play a defensive game and not give up shorthanded chances, which sounds like knee-jerk hyperbole but the truth is the PP isn't scoring now anyway so better to enhance the chances for the 70% of time PP1 is on the ice and just don't make things worse the other 30% of the time. Remember long ago before the 4+1 PP became all the rage - back in the day when PP's used 2 d-men to go along with 3 forwards? How about giving that a try with K2 and Seth joining Bedard, Reichel and Hall? Can it be worse than what it is now? Plus the 4+1 format works best when the guy cruising the blue line has a cannon shot which the PK opponent must account for - well the Hawks don't have a cannon shot to be that "1". Neither Seth nor K2 have a shot that scares anyone - especially from out at the blue line. I'd like to see them give it a try. Gosh I really like your thinking on this one ER. You give Kor the green light to go wherever he wants, keep Seth basically up top and maybe put Lucas out there. They will need to show the league that they can generate chances without going through CB. Its not working at least try something different before CB gets to frustrated. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 20, 2023 17:10:28 GMT -6
That would be Derek King coaching the offense/PP. I was not a Derek King fan when he was the Rockford coach because it didn't seem the players under his tutelage improved very much, if at all. I don't know what percentage of that perceived failure was on King or the players were just not very good. I'm kind of in the same boat with him now coaching the offense/PP with the Hawks - how much of the failure is on King and how much is on the dearth of talent? One thing that has become very apparent is the opposing PK is crowding Bedard limiting his space and options. Did King anticipate that and if no - why not? What measures can be taken to counteract the PK playing essentially a box-and-one defense on Bedard, and is King savvy enough to design and implement a solution? It's seems the best option for the PP is to get the 5 best players on PP1 and have PP2 play a defensive game and not give up shorthanded chances, which sounds like knee-jerk hyperbole but the truth is the PP isn't scoring now anyway so better to enhance the chances for the 70% of time PP1 is on the ice and just don't make things worse the other 30% of the time. Remember long ago before the 4+1 PP became all the rage - back in the day when PP's used 2 d-men to go along with 3 forwards? How about giving that a try with K2 and Seth joining Bedard, Reichel and Hall? Can it be worse than what it is now? Plus the 4+1 format works best when the guy cruising the blue line has a cannon shot which the PK opponent must account for - well the Hawks don't have a cannon shot to be that "1". Neither Seth nor K2 have a shot that scares anyone - especially from out at the blue line. I'd like to see them give it a try. To me, that is the issue here-----is it the players or the coach? At this point, I'll opt to put the turd in the players' pockets as I just don't think they have a wealth of talent on offense and it will not improve with more playing time. Hope I am wrong, but that is my call at the present time. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 20, 2023 20:45:33 GMT -6
I was not a Derek King fan when he was the Rockford coach because it didn't seem the players under his tutelage improved very much, if at all. I don't know what percentage of that perceived failure was on King or the players were just not very good. I'm kind of in the same boat with him now coaching the offense/PP with the Hawks - how much of the failure is on King and how much is on the dearth of talent? One thing that has become very apparent is the opposing PK is crowding Bedard limiting his space and options. Did King anticipate that and if no - why not? What measures can be taken to counteract the PK playing essentially a box-and-one defense on Bedard, and is King savvy enough to design and implement a solution? It's seems the best option for the PP is to get the 5 best players on PP1 and have PP2 play a defensive game and not give up shorthanded chances, which sounds like knee-jerk hyperbole but the truth is the PP isn't scoring now anyway so better to enhance the chances for the 70% of time PP1 is on the ice and just don't make things worse the other 30% of the time. Remember long ago before the 4+1 PP became all the rage - back in the day when PP's used 2 d-men to go along with 3 forwards? How about giving that a try with K2 and Seth joining Bedard, Reichel and Hall? Can it be worse than what it is now? Plus the 4+1 format works best when the guy cruising the blue line has a cannon shot which the PK opponent must account for - well the Hawks don't have a cannon shot to be that "1". Neither Seth nor K2 have a shot that scares anyone - especially from out at the blue line. I'd like to see them give it a try. To me, that is the issue here-----is it the players or the coach? At this point, I'll opt to put the turd in the players' pockets as I just don't think they have a wealth of talent on offense and it will not improve with more playing time. Hope I am wrong, but that is my call at the present time. The little bit of talent we have should generate something...and shouldn't be welded into place. I don't think it'll massively improve things, but it should look better than it has. The system should be tailor-made for the players executing it, rather than rehashing the same crap that hasn't worked since 2015. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 20, 2023 20:47:46 GMT -6
NHL vs Beer league tonight. Man, I was going to say this was not NHL v. AHL, but NHL v. Juniors. Then you go me one better and pull out the Beer League tag. Yes, this was a true beatdown by men against boys. It is hard to believe that the Avs are so much better than the Leafs with all the talent Toronto has. This game truly showed how far the Hawks have to go to be relevant, Bedard included. But, it is a rebuilding franchise. At this rate, however, it could take five years. They simply have no offensive talent except that provided by pure hustle. The Avs gave them enough power plays to get a few goals, but the young boys could not produce anything . They have so far to go. To be fair, the young guys have a long way to go but the old guys looked like they should qualify for Medicaid out there. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 20, 2023 20:51:08 GMT -6
I wanted to give King every chance to get out from under the colliton cloud.
But he hasn't shown me enough reason to keep him now.
King was not a bad scoring forward. GP 830, goals 261, assists 351, total PTS 612.
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 20, 2023 21:03:07 GMT -6
I wanted to give King every chance to get out from under the colliton cloud. But he hasn't shown me enough reason to keep him now. King was not a bad scoring forward. GP 830, goals 261, assists 351, total PTS 612. i'd say stick with the youth movement. : ) |
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Post by 2old4this on Oct 21, 2023 0:49:32 GMT -6
The Hawks should pick up a half dozen forwards in the coming draft. And maybe a D-man or two. I'd say they have pretty good depth in goal and defense. They really need to get the special teams going. Don't overlook the possibility of using forwards to captain the pp. And use the fastest skaters we have for penalty killing, looking for short handed scoring opportunities.
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Post by steamer on Oct 21, 2023 0:50:51 GMT -6
Need good stick handling on the PP as a fumble or two negates a lot of the advantage and can (has) lead to shorties. Both Hall and Reichel have struggled a bit with that and I don’t know if they’re just temporarily fighting it a bit or they aren’t the best fit for a PP.
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 21, 2023 12:58:54 GMT -6
I wonder if Brian Campbell would make a good PP coach.
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