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Post by BigT on May 3, 2024 11:52:18 GMT -6
I fear that you are right. Unless perhaps he takes into consideration the fact that Demidov might not be available for a few years. Just trying to stay positive here. By everything I’ve read and seen. Demidov looks pretty dam good. For now, his contract only goes for one more year. He’ll be available for the 2025/26 season. So not a long wait. He probably wouldn’t be ready anyways for this upcoming new season. I hope he wheels and deals and gets to move up from the 19/20 slot. Let’s say it is Demidov with the top pick. I’d like to move up with the next pick to grab either Greentree or even Lindstrom!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 3, 2024 12:33:17 GMT -6
I fear that you are right. Unless perhaps he takes into consideration the fact that Demidov might not be available for a few years. Just trying to stay positive here. By everything I’ve read and seen. Demidov looks pretty dam good. For now, his contract only goes for one more year. He’ll be available for the 2025/26 season. So not a long wait. He probably wouldn’t be ready anyways for this upcoming new season. I hope he wheels and deals and gets to move up from the 19/20 slot. Let’s say it is Demidov with the top pick. I’d like to move up with the next pick to grab either Greentree or even Lindstrom!!! We'll soon find out where the Hawks are drafting, if it's 3 or 4, I'm hoping Demidov is taken before then, if not and KD drafts him, lets hope he plays like a demigod. And I really hope they draft one of those big forwards. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 3, 2024 13:17:06 GMT -6
God I wish KD would just keep his mouth shut. Who is the 'best' player? Purely subjective--it's anybody he decides it is. Better to make it the best player who suits the needs of the team. It's the age old debate between best player available versus filling a need. I'd say BPA usually wins the debate when speaking generalities but when it gets down to specific team with specific need at a specific time - the BPA strategy doesn't always win the day. And you're right - who makes the subjective call on who is the BPA? I think a solid case can be made the 2024 draft has only one player clearly ahead of the rest (Celebrini) and then there are a group of 5 or 6 or 7 guys who could be deemed next best player depending on different opinions. So in the case where BPA isn't clear or the separation between that group of players is negligible - that team need surely wins out - doesn't it? |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 3, 2024 13:19:26 GMT -6
I fear that you are right. Unless perhaps he takes into consideration the fact that Demidov might not be available for a few years. Just trying to stay positive here. By everything I’ve read and seen. Demidov looks pretty dam good. For now, his contract only goes for one more year. He’ll be available for the 2025/26 season. So not a long wait. He probably wouldn’t be ready anyways for this upcoming new season. I hope he wheels and deals and gets to move up from the 19/20 slot. Let’s say it is Demidov with the top pick. I’d like to move up with the next pick to grab either Greentree or even Lindstrom!!! I could be wrong but I thought I read he signed a 2-year extension which means he won't be available until the 2026/27 season (at the earliest). |
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Post by vadarx on May 3, 2024 14:24:33 GMT -6
I fear that you are right. Unless perhaps he takes into consideration the fact that Demidov might not be available for a few years. Just trying to stay positive here. By everything I’ve read and seen. Demidov looks pretty dam good. For now, his contract only goes for one more year. He’ll be available for the 2025/26 season. So not a long wait. He probably wouldn’t be ready anyways for this upcoming new season. I hope he wheels and deals and gets to move up from the 19/20 slot. Let’s say it is Demidov with the top pick. I’d like to move up with the next pick to grab either Greentree or even Lindstrom!!! the knock I've seen on him is his skating isn't the bestest and we know how much that seems to matter to the folks in charge.. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 3, 2024 14:32:17 GMT -6
God I wish KD would just keep his mouth shut. Who is the 'best' player? Purely subjective--it's anybody he decides it is. Better to make it the best player who suits the needs of the team. It's the age old debate between best player available versus filling a need. I'd say BPA usually wins the debate when speaking generalities but when it gets down to specific team with specific need at a specific time - the BPA strategy doesn't always win the day. And you're right - who makes the subjective call on who is the BPA? I think a solid case can be made the 2024 draft has only one player clearly ahead of the rest (Celebrini) and then there are a group of 5 or 6 or 7 guys who could be deemed next best player depending on different opinions. So in the case where BPA isn't clear or the separation between that group of players is negligible - that team need surely wins out - doesn't it? For high ends picks it should be BPA, after the first is when teams generally pick based on need. That's why KD mostly drafted forwards the last 2yrs. |
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Post by BigT on May 3, 2024 14:42:33 GMT -6
Just trying to stay positive here. By everything I’ve read and seen. Demidov looks pretty dam good. For now, his contract only goes for one more year. He’ll be available for the 2025/26 season. So not a long wait. He probably wouldn’t be ready anyways for this upcoming new season. I hope he wheels and deals and gets to move up from the 19/20 slot. Let’s say it is Demidov with the top pick. I’d like to move up with the next pick to grab either Greentree or even Lindstrom!!! I could be wrong but I thought I read he signed a 2-year extension which means he won't be available until the 2026/27 season (at the earliest). |
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Post by BigT on May 3, 2024 14:45:57 GMT -6
Just trying to stay positive here. By everything I’ve read and seen. Demidov looks pretty dam good. For now, his contract only goes for one more year. He’ll be available for the 2025/26 season. So not a long wait. He probably wouldn’t be ready anyways for this upcoming new season. I hope he wheels and deals and gets to move up from the 19/20 slot. Let’s say it is Demidov with the top pick. I’d like to move up with the next pick to grab either Greentree or even Lindstrom!!! the knock I've seen on him is his skating isn't the bestest and we know how much that seems to matter to the folks in charge.. I watched a few of his hilight videos. If his skating is weak, then the rest of the league is really bad. He seemed like an elite skater to me. But again. Small sample size!!! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 3, 2024 15:54:07 GMT -6
I stand corrected - thanks T. |
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Post by acesandeights on May 3, 2024 17:37:52 GMT -6
I've seen two mock drafts in recent weeks that had the Blackhawks taking Demidov. One was Bleacher Report and their comment was the Hawks lack a right winger with his skills among it's top five prospects.
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Post by BigT on May 3, 2024 21:05:02 GMT -6
I've seen two mock drafts in recent weeks that had the Blackhawks taking Demidov. One was Bleacher Report and their comment was the Hawks lack a right winger with his skills among it's top five prospects. Aces you and I have talked about the draft every year for quite some time. What’s your thoughts on Demidov? I think his size is the only thing against him. I get it, Hawks gotta get bigger, and maybe this kids size isn’t a big deal? I think since he’s in Russia not many have seen much on him. So I’d like to see what you think of him!!! |
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Post by tincup on May 3, 2024 22:17:06 GMT -6
Looking at some of the stats from the U18’s and it seems like the ‘25 draft should be a good one. Guys like Malcolm Spence and Porter Martone are scoring at a far higher pace than Greentree and Cole Beaudoin. Guys like Iginla and Maxim Masse are doing OK. USA team, Trevor Connelly is reinforcing his move up the ladder.
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Post by vadarx on May 4, 2024 9:23:54 GMT -6
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Post by acesandeights on May 4, 2024 12:56:20 GMT -6
I've seen two mock drafts in recent weeks that had the Blackhawks taking Demidov. One was Bleacher Report and their comment was the Hawks lack a right winger with his skills among it's top five prospects. Aces you and I have talked about the draft every year for quite some time. What’s your thoughts on Demidov? I think his size is the only thing against him. I get it, Hawks gotta get bigger, and maybe this kids size isn’t a big deal? I think since he’s in Russia not many have seen much on him. So I’d like to see what you think of him!!! From all I've read on him, after Celebrini, he seems to be the most skilled and creative forward in the draft, and is said to have a great hockey IQ. On Hockey Writers, eight different sites have him #2 after Celebrini, one at 4 and Bob McKenzie at 6. He's generally been among the next 3 prospects after Celebrini. I've read the same thing vadarx mentioned about his skating. Although I've also read a report that said he uses his edges very well and has such good hands he can get through small gaps and get open, then has a quick shot. One or two never really mentioned his skating. I'd say you're right that his size is the only real knock against him. Remember it was the same with Michkov last year. When you read Davidson's comments about the Hawks drafting strategy of BPA early, I don't see the Blackhawks suddenly changing their strategy this year. I think they will continue drafting the same way they have been. I agree with what OTH mentioned earlier; with high end talent you go with BPA, then fill in need areas later on. Whenever the Hawks pick, if Demidov is available I think he would be hard for them to pass up; especially if they feel he has top line potential. You don't get many chances at these types. Although it's hard to guess their thought process when they do their evaluating; such as how will they evaluate his skating in their overall ranking. He tore up his junior league; 23 g's & 37 a's in 30 gms; 11 g's & 17 a's in 17 playoff games. To be fair, if the Blackhawks draft people think a dman is the BPA when they pick, I'm sure that's what they would take. They took Korchinski at 7. I looked at six more mock drafts I didn't look at before and five had the Hawks taking Demidov, at 2, one had Eiserman. I don't recall him being connected to the Hawks this much early on but that seems to have changed. They all had the Hawks at 2, and none of the mocks had them taking a dman. Could that change if they don't pick 2nd? The Spartans d-man went 3rd a few times and 4th once. It would be interesting to see how the Hawks draft people go through the process of coming up with the one to three players they want with their first pick. Sorry to be so long winded. |
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Post by BigT on May 4, 2024 14:00:47 GMT -6
Well, they’ve gotta get size. And a lot of it. When the Hawks had their turn lifting lord Stanley, they had Saad-Toews-Hossa. Sharp-Zus-Kane in the top six. Kane the only one under 6’. And Sharp the 2nd smallest at 6’1”. I’d like to see 4 kids that have decent size brought in. I’m all for a smaller kid or 2. But can’t have what NJ has. They’re a smaller weaker team up front. Even LA’s fascination with these overpriced centermen is killing them. They’ll be rebuilding soon enough……. Again!!! |
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Post by BigT on May 4, 2024 14:04:29 GMT -6
Bigger kids traditionally take longer on the development scale. So I’m a bit perplexed as to why they’re not taking much bigger kids in the top 2 rounds? Even Kantserov is only 5’9”. Like, a couple of them can make a team, but shouldn’t have a team full of them.
I’m really hoping they aim for Size with the other 3-4 picks they have in the top 50. I get that you don’t need size in every draft at every pick. I get it. But gotta get some top end talent that can play with their size!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 4, 2024 14:38:34 GMT -6
Bigger kids traditionally take longer on the development scale. So I’m a bit perplexed as to why they’re not taking much bigger kids in the top 2 rounds? Even Kantserov is only 5’9”. Like, a couple of them can make a team, but shouldn’t have a team full of them. I’m really hoping they aim for Size with the other 3-4 picks they have in the top 50. I get that you don’t need size in every draft at every pick. I get it. But gotta get some top end talent that can play with their size!!! Of the six forwards KD drafted in the first two rounds since 2022, only two are above 6', Greene and Misiak. So yeah they need to target bigger forwards in the first 2 rounds this year. Demidov has elite skills but it'd be understandable if KD passed on a Russian player that's below average in height and weight. This is going to be an interesting off season, starting with the lotto on the 7th. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 4, 2024 14:56:09 GMT -6
Hawks should trade the 34th pick and move up to the late first and get Beaudoin. I doubt he'll be there in the second round. |
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Post by BigT on May 4, 2024 16:05:21 GMT -6
Hawks should trade the 34th pick and move up to the late first and get Beaudoin. I doubt he'll be there in the second round. Last time the Hawks took a guy with a similar last name, it didn’t work out!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 4, 2024 16:12:09 GMT -6
Hawks should trade the 34th pick and move up to the late first and get Beaudoin. I doubt he'll be there in the second round. Last time the Hawks took a guy with a similar last name, it didn’t work out!!! I was thinking the same thing, but this guy seems a little better, and might play for a long time. |
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Post by tincup on May 4, 2024 16:31:27 GMT -6
Kid has talent, no doubt. Like a Russian Bedard with those moves. Good video.
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Post by BigT on May 4, 2024 16:31:53 GMT -6
My position is that all bigger guys should be on the table. Silayev should be considered too.
Maybe the Hawks will have a chance to trade a couple d prospects for a forward prospect they covet. They will have an abundance of left shot Dmen. Maybe they can do a lateral move!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 4, 2024 16:46:19 GMT -6
Kid has talent, no doubt. Like a Russian Bedard with those moves. Good video. That's why it'd be tough not taking him with the #2 pick, he's a special player. And he's 5'11" 180lbs, small but not tiny. |
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Post by tincup on May 4, 2024 17:18:20 GMT -6
Kid has talent, no doubt. Like a Russian Bedard with those moves. Good video. That's why it'd be tough not taking him with the #2 pick, he's a special player. And he's 5'11" 180lbs, small but not tiny. couldn't play Bedard and him together. They both look like they need the puck all the time. But add a couple of good talents with some size and those two would anchor two pretty good lines. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 4, 2024 17:22:19 GMT -6
My position is that all bigger guys should be on the table. Silayev should be considered too. Maybe the Hawks will have a chance to trade a couple d prospects for a forward prospect they covet. They will have an abundance of left shot Dmen. Maybe they can do a lateral move!!! Bob McKenzie and The Hockey News has him at #2. He's a great skater for 6'7" 200+lbs, and he just turned 18 in April, for a 17yr old dman to get top4 minutes in the KHL says a lot. And his 3g-10a is the most ever by a draft eligible dman in the KHL. Orlov only had 3a his draft eligible season. I hope Chicago wins the lotto so there's no guessing who they'll take. Celebrini and Greene on the 2nd line would be deadly. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 4, 2024 17:25:01 GMT -6
That's why it'd be tough not taking him with the #2 pick, he's a special player. And he's 5'11" 180lbs, small but not tiny. couldn't play Bedard and him together. They both look like they need the puck all the time. But add a couple of good talents with some size and those two would anchor two pretty good lines. Yeah they'd need their own line to run, but definitely have them on the PP together. |
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Post by tincup on May 4, 2024 21:56:02 GMT -6
Canada holds on against the Swedes. Some nice plays and a couple of Canadian records set, including by a kid not draft eligible for another two years. Cole Beaudoin was scoreless but playing 22+ minutes, I don’t think there was another forward within four minutes of that so I’m thinking he’s a well trusted and valuable player even if he’s not on the scoreboard.
And the Americans will meet Canada in the final. Next year’s probable first overall, James Hagens, sets a tournament record for scoring.
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Post by 2old4this on May 5, 2024 0:58:15 GMT -6
D minus 2
gettin' psyched for this
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Post by 2old4this on May 5, 2024 1:22:52 GMT -6
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Post by 2old4this on May 5, 2024 1:26:06 GMT -6
I watched a few of his hilight videos. If his skating is weak, then the rest of the league is really bad. He seemed like an elite skater to me. But again. Small sample size!!! I decided to wqtch some videos on him too. Dang if he isn't turning me around. I'm such a sucker for highlight videos. I'm reaching a point where I don't care who they take with their first pick. As long as they don't do something weird, they will get a good player. And if they DO pick Demidov, the expected delay in getting him on the roster will probably make it easier on the budget. too much editing caused a slight screw-up. |
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