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Post by BigT on Apr 29, 2024 15:51:58 GMT -6
We all have to think a lot of teams would like to move up to take Levchunov. If the Hawks moved back to say 7. Ottawa has that pick. Trade back to 7 and get Pinto. Or some type of package like that. I think the Hawks could still get either Parekh, Buium, Silyev, Lindstrom etc. they can still get a solid player and a great player to help now!!! Moving from 2 to 7 they would need to get #7, Pinto and more IMO. If Levchunov is that highly coveted, teams need to pay whether it is Ottawa or someone else. Levchonov by almost all accounts steps into a top 4 D almost immediately. Ask the Leafs when they are golfing later this week about having a potential stud D in their lineup. Gotta think if you’re getting Pinto, it’s worth it. Hawks need bigger centermen. And Pinto is just that. 6’3” 205. He’s a 200 foot player. He’s only 23. He had 27 points in 41 games this year. He very well could be the 70 point 2nd line center the Hawks covet. Then take one of the dmen left in the draft of Lindstrom. Then it’ll make the rebuild better and more easy to swallow!!! |
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Post by BigT on Apr 29, 2024 15:56:10 GMT -6
We all have to think a lot of teams would like to move up to take Levchunov. If the Hawks moved back to say 7. Ottawa has that pick. Trade back to 7 and get Pinto. Or some type of package like that. I think the Hawks could still get either Parekh, Buium, Silyev, Lindstrom etc. they can still get a solid player and a great player to help now!!! yeah, RHD is something the Sens will be looking for @ 7. I dunno if they'll want to move up unless they REALLY like someone, as there are a few RHD to pick from in the top 10. The Sens gotta drop salary too. So maybe a trade like this is good for them. I think the Sens want someone to step right in!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 29, 2024 18:50:06 GMT -6
yeah, RHD is something the Sens will be looking for @ 7. I dunno if they'll want to move up unless they REALLY like someone, as there are a few RHD to pick from in the top 10. The Sens gotta drop salary too. So maybe a trade like this is good for them. I think the Sens want someone to step right in!!! I'd make that trade right now. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 29, 2024 20:05:28 GMT -6
The Sens gotta drop salary too. So maybe a trade like this is good for them. I think the Sens want someone to step right in!!! I'd make that trade right now. Imagine poor Ottawa makes that deal today. Hawks lose the lotto and Ottawa wins. Hahahaha. Then the Hawks could trade the #2 they get from Ottawa to love down again!!! |
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Post by BigT on Apr 29, 2024 20:26:50 GMT -6
So do the Hawks get the 19th pick again? Tampa officially done. It would be nice to see the Hawks land some players outside of the top 20 picks in a draft like Dallas has done. I’ve always been a fan of Jim Nill. He’s a very smart hockey mind!!!
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Post by vadarx on Apr 29, 2024 23:24:53 GMT -6
So do the Hawks get the 19th pick again? Tampa officially done. It would be nice to see the Hawks land some players outside of the top 20 picks in a draft like Dallas has done. I’ve always been a fan of Jim Nill. He’s a very smart hockey mind!!! I believe it'll be 19 if Vegas wins the next 2 rounds and 20 if they don't. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 30, 2024 6:33:22 GMT -6
So do the Hawks get the 19th pick again? Tampa officially done. It would be nice to see the Hawks land some players outside of the top 20 picks in a draft like Dallas has done. I’ve always been a fan of Jim Nill. He’s a very smart hockey mind!!! I believe it'll be 19 if Vegas wins the next 2 rounds and 20 if they don't. That is correct. It looked good there as Vegas had Stars down heading home, but now even and going back to Dallas. It will be 20 or 19 if Vegas can get to WCF. This is assuming Islanders lose to Canes. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 30, 2024 11:56:06 GMT -6
I believe it'll be 19 if Vegas wins the next 2 rounds and 20 if they don't. That is correct. It looked good there as Vegas had Stars down heading home, but now even and going back to Dallas. It will be 20 or 19 if Vegas can get to WCF. This is assuming Islanders lose to Canes. the isles are boned. I'm good with 19 or 20, personally. either of those teams losing in the first round works for me! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 30, 2024 12:16:59 GMT -6
So do the Hawks get the 19th pick again? Tampa officially done. It would be nice to see the Hawks land some players outside of the top 20 picks in a draft like Dallas has done. I’ve always been a fan of Jim Nill. He’s a very smart hockey mind!!! I believe it'll be 19 if Vegas wins the next 2 rounds and 20 if they don't. I'm ok with 20, I don't want Vegas in the conference finals. I'm just glad it won't be in the 30s. |
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Post by ukhawk on Apr 30, 2024 12:29:42 GMT -6
I believe it'll be 19 if Vegas wins the next 2 rounds and 20 if they don't. I'm ok with 20, I don't want Vegas in the conference finals. I'm just glad it won't be in the 30s. Definitely this. I dont like tanking, but what Vegas is doing every year just stinks. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 30, 2024 18:31:14 GMT -6
I'm ok with 20, I don't want Vegas in the conference finals. I'm just glad it won't be in the 30s. Definitely this. I dont like tanking, but what Vegas is doing every year just stinks. on one hand, I don't have a problem with them doing what they have at all. everyone knew 88 would be back for the playoffs. maybe we have to beat the preds without him for a few games. and we took advantage by adding a couple forwards that helped (Vermette and Desjardins) in the playoffs (Timonen doesn't count, he was there for moral support). I'm sure Stone was really injured all three years. the only one that bothered me was Kucherov, cuz that mfer was practicing for weeks/months before the playoffs, but was never quite ready to play....until game 1 of the first round. then he was a-ok... at the same time... there is something about them winning so much, so fast without the (apparently) requisite suffering that does make it easy to root against them. |
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Post by 2old4this on May 1, 2024 3:56:52 GMT -6
Latest weight info on Macklin.....
Macklin Celebrini, a center at Boston University in Hockey East, is filing a draft diary for NHL.com this season leading up to the 2024 NHL Draft. The 17-year-old center (6-foot, 190 pounds) and native of North Vancouver, Canada, is No. 1 on NHL Central Scouting's final ranking of North American skaters.
If the B'Hawks win this lottery, I will be among the loudest people screaming fraud.
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Post by T-man2010 on May 1, 2024 5:24:00 GMT -6
Latest weight info on Macklin..... Macklin Celebrini, a center at Boston University in Hockey East, is filing a draft diary for NHL.com this season leading up to the 2024 NHL Draft. The 17-year-old center (6-foot, 190 pounds) and native of North Vancouver, Canada, is No. 1 on NHL Central Scouting's final ranking of North American skaters. If the B'Hawks win this lottery, I will be among the loudest people screaming fraud. What they should do is have the lottery balls actually LIVE on tv instead of behind closed doors the day before. Screw the big "reveal", what clown show. |
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Post by BigT on May 1, 2024 5:51:06 GMT -6
The Hawks still have the 2nd best odds to win the lotto. I don’t think it’s possible this year. Hawks have won the lotto 2x since 2019. They’re barely legal to win this year. So I doubt they’ll win again. Hawks should hold on to their pick or at worst slide to 3.
So looking at all the players available, do the Hawks really need a Dman? With Rinzel looking to take another huge step next year, is it worth it to flood the system with more and be forced to trade some guys at a disadvantage due to overstocking? Rinzel may be in the NHL in 2 years time. He’s the big right shot Dman the Hawks will covet. Plus Seth will still be here, so I’m not sure a Dman is a need. Trading back might be the best option this year. Hawks don’t need more draft capital. They need players. So I feel trading with Ottawa or Columbus or even the Habs might be best for this team. Get a player of use and swap picks!!!
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 1, 2024 8:59:42 GMT -6
I don't recall where i saw it but apparently Demidov's agent said he will work out and be interviewed to alleviate any concern regarding the injury he sustained in the MHL Finals. Not sure if that means he's coming to N.A. to do that or NHL scouts will have to go to Russia - but in either case they want to be sure he doesn't slide down the rankings due to questions of injury.
That said - I still hope the Hawks don't draft him with their 1st pick.
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Post by T-man2010 on May 1, 2024 9:16:33 GMT -6
I don't recall where i saw it but apparently Demidov's agent said he will work out and be interviewed to alleviate any concern regarding the injury he sustained in the MHL Finals. Not sure if that means he's coming to N.A. to do that or NHL scouts will have to go to Russia - but in either case they want to be sure he doesn't slide down the rankings due to questions of injury. That said - I still hope the Hawks don't draft him with their 1st pick. The question for the Hawks is, take the best available or draft for their need. |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 1, 2024 9:42:04 GMT -6
Definitely this. I dont like tanking, but what Vegas is doing every year just stinks. on one hand, I don't have a problem with them doing what they have at all. everyone knew 88 would be back for the playoffs. maybe we have to beat the preds without him for a few games. and we took advantage by adding a couple forwards that helped (Vermette and Desjardins) in the playoffs (Timonen doesn't count, he was there for moral support). I'm sure Stone was really injured all three years. the only one that bothered me was Kucherov, cuz that mfer was practicing for weeks/months before the playoffs, but was never quite ready to play....until game 1 of the first round. then he was a-ok... at the same time... there is something about them winning so much, so fast without the (apparently) requisite suffering that does make it easy to root against them. I think I'm the only one who doesn't mind Vegas being good. They weren't handed a winner; arguably the only high-end piece they got handed was MAF; and even then he was on his outs in Pittsburg. Everyone else was mid-tier guys that managed to become more than the sum of their parts, and their management made the right moves. If they were "handed" the team because of the rules of expansion, then Seattle should be better than it has been since they had the same rules applied to them. Plus, from the league's financial standpoint, the "requisite suffering" does nothing to help the league. You want your new teams in new markets to do well--at least be somewhere around mid-tier where they do win and they do build a core fanbase who will provide the season ticket holder nucleus once the novelty wears off. They should be somewhat successful early in their existence because it's that nucleus of fans who will pay for the tickets during the lean years. But, if a team comes out sucking and isn't pulling in their revenue, the rest of the league is going to have to prop them up, eating into profits. I think Vegas is only guilty of doing a lot of things right; they should have came in as a mid-tier team but the players on the ice outperformed the sum of their parts. Then they built on that to become a good team. But the result? Last year the Knights pulled in $233M in revenue--8th in the league and just ahead of the 'hawks. Even the Kraken last year was 16th with $197M in revenue. Comparing the revenue numbers to previous expansion teams: Columbus was 30th in the league in revenue. Minny was 18th--2 behind Seattle. I couldn't find the stats of revenue from 2004 (which would be somewhat similar to last year in terms of time after expansion for Minny and Columbus with respect to how long Vegas and Seattle have been in existence), but the franchise valuations of Minny and Columbus in 2004 were in the bottom 3rd of the league. Trying for an apples-to-apples comparison last years franchise valuations put Seattle and Vegas in the middle third. Ergo, I think the league did itself a favor to both Vegas and Seattle by giving them a chance to not be at the bottom of the league. Seattle is doing well and Vegas is doing really well. This is a good thing for the league. But I do get the hate. There's nothing wrong with the hate. |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 1, 2024 9:47:49 GMT -6
I don't recall where i saw it but apparently Demidov's agent said he will work out and be interviewed to alleviate any concern regarding the injury he sustained in the MHL Finals. Not sure if that means he's coming to N.A. to do that or NHL scouts will have to go to Russia - but in either case they want to be sure he doesn't slide down the rankings due to questions of injury. That said - I still hope the Hawks don't draft him with their 1st pick. The question for the Hawks is, take the best available or draft for their need. IMHO: Depends on what's there when we pick. We don't need a project or a high risk player. If we get a player who might need a year or two of seasoning then fine, as long as the risk is somewhat low and we stick to letting them develop. If there is someone when we pick that fits that need, low risk, but might not have the highest ceiling or might need an extra year but fills a need? I'm okay with that. If the only players who fill that need are higher risk or projects, screw it; stick to the BPA. |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 1, 2024 10:27:28 GMT -6
The question for the Hawks is, take the best available or draft for their need. IMHO: Depends on what's there when we pick. We don't need a project or a high risk player. If we get a player who might need a year or two of seasoning then fine, as long as the risk is somewhat low and we stick to letting them develop. If there is someone when we pick that fits that need, low risk, but might not have the highest ceiling or might need an extra year but fills a need? I'm okay with that. If the only players who fill that need are higher risk or projects, screw it; stick to the BPA. That is sort of my point, if the Hawks pick at 3 let's say, There are some sure fire NHL ready players there. A 6'4" RHD, 2C or L/R winger. Which hole is the largest for the Hawks need right now? EDIT: And all 3 players play with a chip on their shoulder. |
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Post by BigT on May 1, 2024 15:11:01 GMT -6
That Kantserov kid is starting look like the real deal. I think we’ll see much much more from him next season. So maybe the Hawks look to a Russian with the first pick to make it more feasible for Kantseriv to come over. He has 2 years left. So let’s say the Hawks take Demidov or even Silayev. They could be both coming over at the same time!!!
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Post by mvr on May 1, 2024 15:37:56 GMT -6
Levshunov is from Belarus, but my guess is that he likely speaks Russian as well. Of the three, he'd be my pick.
I worry greatly about the geo-political situation right now given the Ukraine war. As it stands, the Russian players are permitted to come over. This could change over night if Putin chooses to make a statement. I'm old enough to remember how politicians hold athletes hostage to score points.
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Post by tincup on May 1, 2024 15:39:49 GMT -6
That Kantserov kid is starting look like the real deal. I think we’ll see much much more from him next season. So maybe the Hawks look to a Russian with the first pick to make it more feasible for Kantseriv to come over. He has 2 years left. So let’s say the Hawks take Demidov or even Silayev. They could be both coming over at the same time!!! Kinda why I’m also hoping the big fella Safonov has a bounce back and takes a shot after next year. |
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Post by tincup on May 1, 2024 16:01:50 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on May 1, 2024 16:45:53 GMT -6
That Kantserov kid is starting look like the real deal. I think we’ll see much much more from him next season. So maybe the Hawks look to a Russian with the first pick to make it more feasible for Kantseriv to come over. He has 2 years left. So let’s say the Hawks take Demidov or even Silayev. They could be both coming over at the same time!!! Kinda why I’m also hoping the big fella Safonov has a bounce back and takes a shot after next year. I’ve kinda given up on Safonov. I think he’ll be a career KHLer. Just seems like that for some reason. Which is fine. Due to the Russian problems these days. Many have stayed away. Pretty much every team. So we have to think that there’s some solid players coming out of there. Hard to believe no stars have been in Russia the past few drafts. This is why I feel Kantserov could be a real steal. All the posts everyone here put up and the videos really painted a nice picture. He could be another Panera or Kirill the Thrill. Plus he’ll have the opportunity to play with Bedard or some of the other top end kids!!! |
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Post by tincup on May 1, 2024 17:29:52 GMT -6
Kinda why I’m also hoping the big fella Safonov has a bounce back and takes a shot after next year. I’ve kinda given up on Safonov. I think he’ll be a career KHLer. Just seems like that for some reason. Which is fine. Due to the Russian problems these days. Many have stayed away. Pretty much every team. So we have to think that there’s some solid players coming out of there. Hard to believe no stars have been in Russia the past few drafts. This is why I feel Kantserov could be a real steal. All the posts everyone here put up and the videos really painted a nice picture. He could be another Panera or Kirill the Thrill. Plus he’ll have the opportunity to play with Bedard or some of the other top end kids!!! Very possible he remains there but his linemate, and I’m assuming friend, from a year back Dmitry Voronkov came over this year and put up a nice little first season in Columbus. Hopefully they talk and Safonov takes the same route. It’s a long shot but who knows. |
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Post by acesandeights on May 3, 2024 6:49:13 GMT -6
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Post by 2old4this on May 3, 2024 7:31:54 GMT -6
God I wish KD would just keep his mouth shut. Who is the 'best' player? Purely subjective--it's anybody he decides it is. Better to make it the best player who suits the needs of the team. |
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Post by acesandeights on May 3, 2024 8:26:40 GMT -6
That Kantserov kid is starting look like the real deal. I think we’ll see much much more from him next season. So maybe the Hawks look to a Russian with the first pick to make it more feasible for Kantseriv to come over. He has 2 years left. So let’s say the Hawks take Demidov or even Silayev. They could be both coming over at the same time!!! I remember reading that one of the questions about Kansterov prior to his draft was how well, or not, he would adapt to the KHL since he had played only in Russian juniors and never got to play in any international tournaments against higher level kids. The write up also said Russian juniors isn't quite on a level with Canadian juniors. He seems to have adapted very well considering was only 19 and was on the top line for the KHL playoffs. |
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Post by BigT on May 3, 2024 8:48:23 GMT -6
In this case, if the Hawks don’t get the 1st overall, I’d say Demidov will be the guy. If he’s going off of pure talent and not a need!!! |
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Post by 2old4this on May 3, 2024 9:28:46 GMT -6
I fear that you are right. Unless perhaps he takes into consideration the fact that Demidov might not be available for a few years.
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