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Post by malagahawks on Jun 17, 2024 11:19:16 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jun 17, 2024 12:56:08 GMT -6
a bit from that article: Wheeler polled 88 players on who was "the most talented". not necessarily best, just most talented. the results: Here was the poll’s final tally, ranked by most common (number of votes in parentheses): 1. Macklin Celebrini (23) 2. Berkly Catton (12) 3. Beckett Sennecke (8) 4. Cole Eiserman (5) T5. Michael Hage, Trevor Connelly (4) T7. Tij Iginla, Zayne Parekh, Konsta Helenius, Carter Yakemchuk (3) T11. Ivan Demidov, Cayden Lindstrom, Artyom Levshunov, Zeev Buium, Sam Dickinson, Jett Luchanko (2) T17. Maxim Massé, Alexander Zetterberg, Emil Hemming, Mac Swanson, Lucas Pettersson, Dominik Badinka, Kevin He (1) in a separate article, Pronman ranked 6 skills, and Catton was his top skater. Demidov was his top puck skills. edit: Lindstrom was his top best compete.
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Post by BigT on Jun 17, 2024 14:57:39 GMT -6
JayZ said a few days ago that after the combine, Lindstroms injury wasn’t of concern and that he participated in a few events.
I just read Corey Pronman saying that Lindstrom has a herniated disk in his back. So we’ll see where this goes!!!
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Post by vadarx on Jun 17, 2024 15:06:35 GMT -6
JayZ said a few days ago that after the combine, Lindstroms injury wasn’t of concern and that he participated in a few events. I just read Corey Pronman saying that Lindstrom has a herniated disk in his back. So we’ll see where this goes!!! that's not gonna help him at all. he might drop a bit if that is the case...
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Post by BigT on Jun 17, 2024 15:54:59 GMT -6
JayZ said a few days ago that after the combine, Lindstroms injury wasn’t of concern and that he participated in a few events. I just read Corey Pronman saying that Lindstrom has a herniated disk in his back. So we’ll see where this goes!!! that's not gonna help him at all. he might drop a bit if that is the case... I was just listening to their pod. They had Adam Kimelman of NHL.com on there and he said that the injury was a one and done. He’s already back skating and working out. So, we’ll see what happens here. JayZ said he really would love for the Hawks to pick Lindstrom. I agree. He has all the tools that the Hawks are looking for and need. His speed is unreal for a big guy. His hands, vision and best of all, he has a mean streak in him. If his back is indeed fine. They better be calling his name!!!
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Post by Nikos on Jun 17, 2024 16:30:25 GMT -6
that's not gonna help him at all. he might drop a bit if that is the case... I was just listening to their pod. They had Adam Kimelman of NHL.com on there and he said that the injury was a one and done. He’s already back skating and working out. So, we’ll see what happens here. JayZ said he really would love for the Hawks to pick Lindstrom. I agree. He has all the tools that the Hawks are looking for and need. His speed is unreal for a big guy. His hands, vision and best of all, he has a mean streak in him. If his back is indeed fine. They better be calling his name!!! We all know back injuries are tricky and not sure what doctor will sign off as one and done playing a contact sport at high speed. I understand modern medicine and players rehabbing is so much advanced now. Not sure I would take a chance at #2, if it was later in the first then yes, but this is an important pick for KD, must be an impact player and yes, I understand that Lindstrom has these unbelievable qualities, tools and skills with high reward. Just not sure I would pick him at #2.
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Post by mvr on Jun 17, 2024 17:24:12 GMT -6
Backs and shoulder injuries are bad news for hockey players.
I would not be surprised to see Lindstrom fall outside the top ten. If so, I remain hopeful that Davidson can move up from 18 to get him.
I like Big T's idea about the New Jersey pick in a three way deal with Calgary.
Markstrom is likely not worth a first round pick on his own. The Hawks can offer Calgary a 2nd and a 3rd to acquire his rights, then trade the goalie at 50% retained along with pick 18 for the 10th pick and Palat (a salary dump). There will be (as there always are) at least one or more surprise selections in the top 10. A couple of big names most certainly will fall. Pick 10 likely lands the Hawks one of Lindstrom, Silayev, Parekh or Yakemchuk.
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Post by Nikos on Jun 17, 2024 18:42:26 GMT -6
Backs and shoulder injuries are bad news for hockey players. I would not be surprised to see Lindstrom fall outside the top ten. If so, I remain hopeful that Davidson can move up from 18 to get him. I like Big T's idea about the New Jersey pick in a three way deal with Calgary. Markstrom is likely not worth a first round pick on his own. The Hawks can offer Calgary a 2nd and a 3rd to acquire his rights, then trade the goalie at 50% retained along with pick 18 for the 10th pick and Palat (a salary dump). There will be (as there always are) at least one or more surprise selections in the top 10. A couple of big names most certainly will fall. Pick 10 likely lands the Hawks one of Lindstrom, Silayev, Parekh or Yakemchuk. Clearly KD needs to use the cap space and draft assets to his advantage and a weapon. One of those players likely to fall.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 17, 2024 18:44:34 GMT -6
I was just listening to their pod. They had Adam Kimelman of NHL.com on there and he said that the injury was a one and done. He’s already back skating and working out. So, we’ll see what happens here. JayZ said he really would love for the Hawks to pick Lindstrom. I agree. He has all the tools that the Hawks are looking for and need. His speed is unreal for a big guy. His hands, vision and best of all, he has a mean streak in him. If his back is indeed fine. They better be calling his name!!! We all know back injuries are tricky and not sure what doctor will sign off as one and done playing a contact sport at high speed. I understand modern medicine and players rehabbing is so much advanced now. Not sure I would take a chance at #2, if it was later in the first then yes, but this is an important pick for KD, must be an impact player and yes, I understand that Lindstrom has these unbelievable qualities, tools and skills with high reward. Just not sure I would pick him at #2. If it was a muscle tear that's one thing but if it's his disk that's a huge red flag.
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Post by BigT on Jun 17, 2024 19:17:50 GMT -6
If he’s got a herniated disk. He more than likely will never reach his potential. That’ll hamper him for a long time. I hope for the kids sake it was t anything like that.
I just heard on JayZ’s pod that he was back skating and working out. So we’ll see what happens here soon enough!!!
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Post by mikeveisor on Jun 17, 2024 22:28:49 GMT -6
If he’s got a herniated disk. He more than likely will never reach his potential. That’ll hamper him for a long time. I hope for the kids sake it was t anything like that. I just heard on JayZ’s pod that he was back skating and working out. So we’ll see what happens here soon enough!!! As a dude living with a herniated disc, it’s not something that is pro sports conducive. And this is 30 years after the frayed labrum that’s led to decades of discomfort in the left shoulder, even after a capsular shift surgery in 1993. Takes a lot to herniate a disc - is there a replay of his injury? I tried to lift and flip a full half barrel of beer to clean it out- I’m guessing this young man’s journey to back issues looked slightly different.
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Post by BigT on Jun 18, 2024 5:10:34 GMT -6
If he’s got a herniated disk. He more than likely will never reach his potential. That’ll hamper him for a long time. I hope for the kids sake it was t anything like that. I just heard on JayZ’s pod that he was back skating and working out. So we’ll see what happens here soon enough!!! As a dude living with a herniated disc, it’s not something that is pro sports conducive. And this is 30 years after the frayed labrum that’s led to decades of discomfort in the left shoulder, even after a capsular shift surgery in 1993. Takes a lot to herniate a disc - is there a replay of his injury? I tried to lift and flip a full half barrel of beer to clean it out- I’m guessing this young man’s journey to back issues looked slightly different. Sorry to hear that. I don’t know if there’s video or not. But his agent and him are saying he’s ok. Now that could be a ploy? But if he’s back skating and working out, I’d have to think he’s ok. But we’ll see!!!
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Post by Nikos on Jun 18, 2024 8:05:22 GMT -6
As a dude living with a herniated disc, it’s not something that is pro sports conducive. And this is 30 years after the frayed labrum that’s led to decades of discomfort in the left shoulder, even after a capsular shift surgery in 1993. Takes a lot to herniate a disc - is there a replay of his injury? I tried to lift and flip a full half barrel of beer to clean it out- I’m guessing this young man’s journey to back issues looked slightly different. Sorry to hear that. I don’t know if there’s video or not. But his agent and him are saying he’s ok. Now that could be a ploy? But if he’s back skating and working out, I’d have to think he’s ok. But we’ll see!!! It is a shame that he is dealing with this. He would be an easy choice at #2 with no back injury history IMO.
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Post by malagahawks on Jun 18, 2024 8:26:43 GMT -6
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Post by ukhawk on Jun 18, 2024 8:50:47 GMT -6
I'd take Demidov at #2 and try and trade up for one of the RHD with #18. There doesn't seem to be much between any of the D prospects.
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Post by mikeveisor on Jun 18, 2024 9:22:17 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 18, 2024 10:52:10 GMT -6
Now I want Demidov again lol
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 18, 2024 12:11:23 GMT -6
Sounds like he made a good first impression - so YAY! Hopefully KD liked what he saw/heard and has visions of Bedard playing with him for the next decade+.
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Post by malagahawks on Jun 18, 2024 12:57:15 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Jun 18, 2024 13:58:52 GMT -6
"With the No. 2 pick in this month’s draft, the Chicago Blackhawks were well represented in Florida on the opening day of the Gold Star Hockey camp. Blackhawks general manager Kyle Davidson, director of amateur scouting Mike Doneghey and hockey operations adviser Brian Campbell made the trip. The Blackhawks are expected to have dinner with Demidov and meet with other players this week. Blackhawks chairman and CEO Danny Wirtz is also in Florida and is expected to sit in on player meetings."
from Powers. Danny getting in on the action...
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Post by vadarx on Jun 18, 2024 14:14:11 GMT -6
yeah, I'm not touching Lindstrom at this point, too risky.
I showed the special lady a pic of Demidov and Levshunov together and she is convinced there is some subterfuge going on with Levshunov and his age, lol.
sounds like we will get some measurements tomorrow. if Demidov is over 6 foot, well... that decision is going to get more difficult, imo.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 18, 2024 14:15:16 GMT -6
I'd take Demidov at #2 and try and trade up for one of the RHD with #18. There doesn't seem to be much between any of the D prospects. I'd take him or Catton @ 2 and then trade up and take another forward, personally. there are some dmen that will be available in the second round that could also end up being pretty darn good...
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Post by mvr on Jun 18, 2024 14:37:10 GMT -6
This news does make Demidov a more more interesting prospect.
If Demidov is 6"1" he could reach league average height and weight. He will never be a power forward, but he could have a build like Brandon Saad or Patrick Sharp.
If he is committing himself to "playing (like a) centre," he could fill a real void here. Centres are so much more valuable to a team than wingers. The Hawks definitely could use a second-line centre.
I'm still concerned about the quality of the competition he plays against, and I'm not confident that the scouts have a good read on the Russian league given how inaccessible the situation remains there.
Still, I am not totally opposed to the pick if this information is accurate. It is a game-changer for me.
If the Hawks do take Demidov, there are two options for that top-four right-shot defender - Yakemchuk will likely still be available around pick 12 and could fall a couple of spots further. Jiricek should be there at pick 18. I would hope Davidson would make every effort to get one or the other.
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Post by mvr on Jun 18, 2024 14:44:52 GMT -6
If Demidov is the pick, he needs to be the driver of the second line, whether at wing or centre.
He can't be riding Bedard's coattails. Kurashev (or any other number of players) can do that job.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 18, 2024 15:16:44 GMT -6
I think Demidov is back in the equation. It's too bad he's still recovering from the ankle injury - but that puts to bed the rumor it was a second knee injury. It sounds like height/weight measurements will be done Thursday so then we can know with certainty what they are instead of hearsay and speculation. I think it's pretty instructive that he's been taking English lessons for the past year and conducted interviews in English - sounds like a guy committed to playing in North America. His agent (Dan Milstein of Gold Star) is a big time agent who isn't going to BS NHL teams for one of his clients when he represents a lot of high profile Russian prospects (including Levshunov who is also in Florida at the event) - and Milstein says straight out the Demidov will play out his KHL contract and sign with the NHL team that drafts him after his KHL season ends (in March) - that means it's probable he would play NHL games over the last few weeks of the NHL regular season much the same way Slaggert and Nazar played for the Hawks this season - only most likely more games because the KHL season finishes earlier.
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Post by mvr on Jun 18, 2024 15:33:50 GMT -6
Some might say -- what's the big deal about height?
A 5"10" winger likely plays at 170-180 pounds. A 6"1" winger can get to 200-210. This weight difference really helps. The player becomes harder to move out of the slot. He now can successfully challenge for pucks in the corners. The added size means he can screen goalies and reach around them. Instead of playing most of the game on the perimeter, now he has the size and weight to challenge the middle of the ice.
Sure there are exceptions --- Andrew Shaw comes to mind. But we remember these players because of how rare they are. Most 5'10" players gravitate to areas of the ice away from the physical play. A team can have a few perimeter playmakers but not many.
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Post by mikeveisor on Jun 18, 2024 15:37:21 GMT -6
If Demidov is 6"1" he could reach league average height and weight. He will never be a power forward, but he could have a build like Brandon Saad or Patrick Sharp. If he is committing himself to "playing (like a) centre," he could fill a real void here. Centres are so much more valuable to a team than wingers. The Hawks definitely could use a second-line centre. Both comments have me whimsical that can we can find another hockey player of this height & weight: www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/datsypa01.html.
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 18, 2024 15:41:58 GMT -6
Give me demidov if they are ok with the knees
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Post by mvr on Jun 18, 2024 15:45:22 GMT -6
If Demidov is 6"1" he could reach league average height and weight. He will never be a power forward, but he could have a build like Brandon Saad or Patrick Sharp. If he is committing himself to "playing (like a) centre," he could fill a real void here. Centres are so much more valuable to a team than wingers. The Hawks definitely could use a second-line centre. Both comments have me whimsical that can we can find another hockey player of this height & weight: www.hockey-reference.com/players/d/datsypa01.html. If he is 6'1" and if he does commit to playing as a two-way centre like Datsyuk, I'm in. Teams with two elite centres win championships.
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Post by squishy24 on Jun 18, 2024 16:01:09 GMT -6
If he is 6'1" and if he does commit to playing as a two-way centre like Datsyuk, I'm in. Teams with two elite centres win championships. Not sure if you read already, but there rumors that the Sabres might buyout Skinner
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