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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 22, 2024 20:01:43 GMT -6
This draft very similar to 2008 where Stamkos and Celebrini were both consensus #1 overall and then 3 to 4 D likely to go very high in the top 10 along with a high end Russian forward. Erik Karlsson went #15 and John Carlsson went 27th to Caps. Who will be the Erik Karlsson and John Carlson this year? Yaremchuck, Adam Jirucek, Stian Solberg, Eric Emery or Swedish Leo Sahlin Wallenius? I was at that draft in Ottawa. We had tickets a few rows up from ice level where several of the players sat in reserved seats. We had an especially good look at Drew Doughty as he impatiently waited with his family for his name to be called. He was still a small and physically immature kid at the time, as were most of the prospects we came across. I remember the shock in the crowd as the Kings, then the Thrashers, then St. Louis and then Toronto all bypassed the skilled forward, Filatov, that year's consensus "best player available" at pick two (from CSKA Moscow Jr league). Obviously, the NHL amateur scouts knew something the draft gurus did not. The truth is that these prospects at age 18 are really no more than malleable clay. Most are nowhere near ready for NHL action. The team drafting them still must develop them effectively. It takes years of good coaching and a kid's commitment to get better. So much of what happens three or four years down the road can't be predicted. What we do know about this year is that Levshunov scored 35 points as a university freshman at a big program. Clearly, he is almost ready.Almost ready to be what? If you mean he's almost ready to be an NHL player based on his physical maturity - then you and I agree - of the top six d-men being discussed in the top-10, I would rank Levshunov the most physically mature and therefore closer to being physically ready to play in the NHL compared with those other d-men. However, if you mean he is almost ready yo be a top pairing difference making d-man - you and I disagree hugely. Not only is he not almost ready to be a top-pairing d-man in the NHL - based on what I've seen of his play I doubt he will ever be a top-pairing d-man, certainly not a legitimate #1 d-man. I think he will be an NHL d-man but he is not a difference maker that will be the anchor to lead his team to win a CUP. Take an hour out of your day or 30 minutes out of a couple days and watch some "All Shifts" youtube videos on him or spend a little more time and watch an MSU game - then come back and tell me he's the next Drew Doughty.
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Post by squishy24 on Jun 22, 2024 20:10:55 GMT -6
Any opinion on Rutger McGroarty? Nazar’s teammate is rumored to be asking to be traded out of Winnipeg. 6’1 200lbs+ “bull-like relentless pursuit with playmaking ability” is one of scouting report, could fit KDs type of player. Win might ask for the pick 18+ ?
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Post by vadarx on Jun 22, 2024 20:32:24 GMT -6
Any opinion on Rutger McGroarty? Nazar’s teammate is rumored to be asking to be traded out of Winnipeg. 6’1 200lbs+ “bull-like relentless pursuit with playmaking ability” is one of scouting report, could fit KDs type of player. Win might ask for the pick 18+ ? yes please, but I'm not giving them 18 for him. they can have our 2025 first from the loafs, tho.
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Post by mvr on Jun 22, 2024 20:37:48 GMT -6
I was at that draft in Ottawa. We had tickets a few rows up from ice level where several of the players sat in reserved seats. We had an especially good look at Drew Doughty as he impatiently waited with his family for his name to be called. He was still a small and physically immature kid at the time, as were most of the prospects we came across. I remember the shock in the crowd as the Kings, then the Thrashers, then St. Louis and then Toronto all bypassed the skilled forward, Filatov, that year's consensus "best player available" at pick two (from CSKA Moscow Jr league). Obviously, the NHL amateur scouts knew something the draft gurus did not. The truth is that these prospects at age 18 are really no more than malleable clay. Most are nowhere near ready for NHL action. The team drafting them still must develop them effectively. It takes years of good coaching and a kid's commitment to get better. So much of what happens three or four years down the road can't be predicted. What we do know about this year is that Levshunov scored 35 points as a university freshman at a big program. Clearly, he is almost ready.Almost ready to be what? If you mean he's almost ready to be an NHL player based on his physical maturity - then you and I agree - of the top six d-men being discussed in the top-10, I would rank Levshunov the most physically mature and therefore closer to being physically ready to play in the NHL compared with those other d-men. However, if you mean he is almost ready yo be a top pairing difference making d-man - you and I disagree hugely. Not only is he not almost ready to be a top-pairing d-man in the NHL - based on what I've seen of his play I doubt he will ever be a top-pairing d-man, certainly not a legitimate #1 d-man. I think he will be an NHL d-man but he is not a difference maker that will be the anchor to lead his team to win a CUP. Take an hour out of your day or 30 minutes out of a couple days and watch some "All Shifts" youtube videos on him or spend a little more time and watch an MSU game - then come back and tell me he's the next Drew Doughty. We know Levshunov will be an NHL player. Given what he has accomplished so far in college, he is almost certainly going to get top four minutes within a couple years. This is not a great trajectory from where he is now. Will he eventually get to be a top pair guy like Doughty? There is no way of knowing, but that's the hope. Demodov is playing against other kids in the Junior leagues in the watered down Russian Leagues. He looks very good there. But what does that actually mean? Can we really project a junior player with zero international experience as a future star? It's a gamble I would not take at pick two. We knew what we were getting with Bedard when he dominated the International Junior tournament against the world's best last December.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 22, 2024 20:48:31 GMT -6
Almost ready to be what? If you mean he's almost ready to be an NHL player based on his physical maturity - then you and I agree - of the top six d-men being discussed in the top-10, I would rank Levshunov the most physically mature and therefore closer to being physically ready to play in the NHL compared with those other d-men. However, if you mean he is almost ready yo be a top pairing difference making d-man - you and I disagree hugely. Not only is he not almost ready to be a top-pairing d-man in the NHL - based on what I've seen of his play I doubt he will ever be a top-pairing d-man, certainly not a legitimate #1 d-man. I think he will be an NHL d-man but he is not a difference maker that will be the anchor to lead his team to win a CUP. Take an hour out of your day or 30 minutes out of a couple days and watch some "All Shifts" youtube videos on him or spend a little more time and watch an MSU game - then come back and tell me he's the next Drew Doughty. We know Levshunov will be an NHL player. Given what he has accomplished so far in college, he is almost certainly going to get top four minutes within a couple years. This is not a great trajectory from where he is now. Will he eventually get to be a top pair guy like Doughty? There is no way of knowing, but that's the hope. Demodov is playing against other kids in the Junior leagues in the watered down Russian Leagues. He looks very good there. But what does that actually mean? Can we really project a junior player with zero international experience as a future star? It's a gamble I would not take at pick two. We knew what we were getting with Bedard when he dominated the International Junior tournament against the world's best last December. MVR - you and I go round and round the rosy way too much - people are going to start "talking". It seems to me our argument can be summed up by stating you are arguing in favor of Lev's floor and I'm arguing in favor of Dem's ceiling. Your argument is less risky and mine is more risky. At #2 I want to swing for more risky.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 22, 2024 21:30:30 GMT -6
We know Levshunov will be an NHL player. Given what he has accomplished so far in college, he is almost certainly going to get top four minutes within a couple years. This is not a great trajectory from where he is now. Will he eventually get to be a top pair guy like Doughty? There is no way of knowing, but that's the hope. Demodov is playing against other kids in the Junior leagues in the watered down Russian Leagues. He looks very good there. But what does that actually mean? Can we really project a junior player with zero international experience as a future star? It's a gamble I would not take at pick two. We knew what we were getting with Bedard when he dominated the International Junior tournament against the world's best last December. MVR - you and I go round and round the rosy way too much - people are going to start "talking". It seems to me our argument can be summed up by stating you are arguing in favor of Lev's floor and I'm arguing in favor of Dem's ceiling. Your argument is less risky and mine is more risky. At #2 I want to swing for more risky. I would say this pretty well sums it up, not just for you guy's debate, but in general. some want to swing for the fences, a route I've advocated for here. some want to take the safe pick, something I've also advocated for here (lol). personally, knowing we can't/won't trade down, I would take Catton and then the best forward with size we can get @ 18 (provided we can't move up). he could be just as good as Demidov, but has been thoroughly scouted. so, still a bit of a swing for the fences but also "safe-ish" and he is a center - a position we also need. that being said, I am not the gm of the 'hawks, so I expect it will be Levshunov or Demidov. it sounds like Demidov gave them more to think about, but they also met with Levshunov again in Florida, likely with Danny in tow. I still think they take Levshunov, as I think his personality won them over long ago, but we shall see in a few days...
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Post by hsbob on Jun 23, 2024 5:25:12 GMT -6
MVR - you and I go round and round the rosy way too much - people are going to start "talking". It seems to me our argument can be summed up by stating you are arguing in favor of Lev's floor and I'm arguing in favor of Dem's ceiling. Your argument is less risky and mine is more risky. At #2 I want to swing for more risky. I would say this pretty well sums it up, not just for you guy's debate, but in general. some want to swing for the fences, a route I've advocated for here. some want to take the safe pick, something I've also advocated for here (lol). personally, knowing we can't/won't trade down, I would take Catton and then the best forward with size we can get @ 18 (provided we can't move up). he could be just as good as Demidov, but has been thoroughly scouted. so, still a bit of a swing for the fences but also "safe-ish" and he is a center - a position we also need. that being said, I am not the gm of the 'hawks, so I expect it will be Levshunov or Demidov. it sounds like Demidov gave them more to think about, but they also met with Levshunov again in Florida, likely with Danny in tow. I still think they take Levshunov, as I think his personality won them over long ago, but we shall see in a few days... In tow or leading the procession? He said he was hiring a new CEO for 'Breakthrough bev' so he could concentrate on running the hockey team he owns last winter. Other owners rarely get involved to this extent and we might want to get used to it. There is no other organizational hierarchy above the young GM than 'Prince Daniel' and the former Liquor executive of the year answers to no one.
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Post by mvr on Jun 23, 2024 5:54:49 GMT -6
We know Levshunov will be an NHL player. Given what he has accomplished so far in college, he is almost certainly going to get top four minutes within a couple years. This is not a great trajectory from where he is now. Will he eventually get to be a top pair guy like Doughty? There is no way of knowing, but that's the hope. Demodov is playing against other kids in the Junior leagues in the watered down Russian Leagues. He looks very good there. But what does that actually mean? Can we really project a junior player with zero international experience as a future star? It's a gamble I would not take at pick two. We knew what we were getting with Bedard when he dominated the International Junior tournament against the world's best last December. MVR - you and I go round and round the rosy way too much - people are going to start "talking". It seems to me our argument can be summed up by stating you are arguing in favor of Lev's floor and I'm arguing in favor of Dem's ceiling. Your argument is less risky and mine is more risky. At #2 I want to swing for more risky. The risk factor is the main issue for sure. But you also value scoring wingers more than I do. I prefer loading up on defencemen, power forwards and centres. Playmakers and scoring wingers without physical games tend to be decorative pieces; for the most part, they should not be a playoff contender's foundation. The real backbone of any team are those doing the heavy lifting along the walls and in the difficult parts of the ice. Few here advocated more for Patrick Kane's return than I did - he was a great player here for many years and deserved better than how Davidson treated him at the end. But if you ask me who was most important to the team's playoff success the previous decade, I wouldn't rank Kane in the top four (even though he received a disproportionate amount of the glory.) Many teams have won cups without superstar wingers. None have done so without top end defencemen, quality centres and strong power wingers. My feeling - spend less on the playmakers/scoring wingers and more on the foundational pieces. When the situation becomes reversed, you end up like the present Toronto Maple Leafs.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 23, 2024 6:01:56 GMT -6
Wheeler with his final mock before the draft this morning. he has the 'hawks taking Dewey @ 2 (but things went very well with Demidov in Florida and it is still down to those two). @ 18, he had the 'hawks taking:
18. Chicago Blackhawks (via New York Islanders): Jett Luchanko, C, Guelph Storm
Luchanko’s one of the most well-liked players in the draft and fits with the speed, work-ethic combo the Blackhawks have targeted in the past. The consensus is — after his play in Guelph, his play with Canada at U18s and his performance at the combine (he’s a tremendous athlete and smart player whom teams view as a winner) — that Luchanko’s going to be a top-20 pick. If a Solberg or a Jiricek is here, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Blackhawks double down on D and then use their early second on a forward.
I know he isn't the biggest, but I would be a fan of this pick, personally, and he is a center.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 23, 2024 6:30:45 GMT -6
also, who here wants to bet me that the 'hawks take John Mustard in the second round?
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Post by BigT on Jun 23, 2024 9:23:00 GMT -6
Any opinion on Rutger McGroarty? Nazar’s teammate is rumored to be asking to be traded out of Winnipeg. 6’1 200lbs+ “bull-like relentless pursuit with playmaking ability” is one of scouting report, could fit KDs type of player. Win might ask for the pick 18+ ? He is a tough bastard from what I seen. He was the best player for team USA at the world Jrs. I liked what he brought. I believe he was captain there. My only knock on him was that he took number 2. The Jets are very smart when they make trades. No one is getting him for nothing. It would take pick 18 and a prospect to get him. I would do it as he’s as close to a finished product as you’ll get. He’s the jam you need. Hawks have an excess of dmen. I would get this guy if he’s available. He checks off the power forward box. And is ready to jump in!!!
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Post by squishy24 on Jun 23, 2024 11:49:35 GMT -6
Any opinion on Rutger McGroarty? Nazar’s teammate is rumored to be asking to be traded out of Winnipeg. 6’1 200lbs+ “bull-like relentless pursuit with playmaking ability” is one of scouting report, could fit KDs type of player. Win might ask for the pick 18+ ? He is a tough bastard from what I seen. He was the best player for team USA at the world Jrs. I liked what he brought. I believe he was captain there. My only knock on him was that he took number 2. The Jets are very smart when they make trades. No one is getting him for nothing. It would take pick 18 and a prospect to get him. I would do it as he’s as close to a finished product as you’ll get. He’s the jam you need. Hawks have an excess of dmen. I would get this guy if he’s available. He checks off the power forward box. And is ready to jump in!!! Rumors are the Jets think that hes not NHL ready and doesnt want to sign him in a contract. He was expecting to be offered the entry-level this year after his college season ended (like Nazar) but the Jets didnt and thats why he wants out
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Post by BigT on Jun 23, 2024 12:08:48 GMT -6
also, who here wants to bet me that the 'hawks take John Mustard in the second round? No offense to the fella. His name doesn’t sound like a popular name that would be called out a lot. Not sure I know much about the hockey with this fella. But I just cannot see John Fuckin Mustard winning the Art Ross!!!
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 23, 2024 12:16:16 GMT -6
MVR - you and I go round and round the rosy way too much - people are going to start "talking". It seems to me our argument can be summed up by stating you are arguing in favor of Lev's floor and I'm arguing in favor of Dem's ceiling. Your argument is less risky and mine is more risky. At #2 I want to swing for more risky. The risk factor is the main issue for sure. But you also value scoring wingers more than I do. I prefer loading up on defencemen, power forwards and centres. Playmakers and scoring wingers without physical games tend to be decorative pieces; for the most part, they should not be a playoff contender's foundation. The real backbone of any team are those doing the heavy lifting along the walls and in the difficult parts of the ice. Few here advocated more for Patrick Kane's return than I did - he was a great player here for many years and deserved better than how Davidson treated him at the end. But if you ask me who was most important to the team's playoff success the previous decade, I wouldn't rank Kane in the top four (even though he received a disproportionate amount of the glory.) Many teams have won cups without superstar wingers. None have done so without top end defencemen, quality centres and strong power wingers. My feeling - spend less on the playmakers/scoring wingers and more on the foundational pieces. When the situation becomes reversed, you end up like the present Toronto Maple Leafs. ... and round and round we go ... I'll just throw in 2 more cents - there are exceptions to most rules and as you have laid out a rule for team building I generally agree with - I will say that Demidov is an exceptional player (Levshunov is not) and therefore he meets the "exception to rule" criteria. BTW - not trying to pat ourselves on the back but I find it nice both of us can argue our positions with well thought out positions and without the rancor that so often devolves internet discussion.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 23, 2024 12:17:25 GMT -6
also, who here wants to bet me that the 'hawks take John Mustard in the second round? I would relish that.
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Post by BigT on Jun 23, 2024 12:20:44 GMT -6
I’ve had epic discussions with MVR over the years. I absolutely love what he brings even if i don’t agree. ER too. Actually these boards are great for the chats. No one belittles anyone to prove a point. It’s always fun on here. We have the most exciting week ahead of us, then I’m sure the boards will be a little dead for a while. Then it’ll be September and back to the grind!!!
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Post by mvr on Jun 23, 2024 12:42:11 GMT -6
The risk factor is the main issue for sure. But you also value scoring wingers more than I do. I prefer loading up on defencemen, power forwards and centres. Playmakers and scoring wingers without physical games tend to be decorative pieces; for the most part, they should not be a playoff contender's foundation. The real backbone of any team are those doing the heavy lifting along the walls and in the difficult parts of the ice. Few here advocated more for Patrick Kane's return than I did - he was a great player here for many years and deserved better than how Davidson treated him at the end. But if you ask me who was most important to the team's playoff success the previous decade, I wouldn't rank Kane in the top four (even though he received a disproportionate amount of the glory.) Many teams have won cups without superstar wingers. None have done so without top end defencemen, quality centres and strong power wingers. My feeling - spend less on the playmakers/scoring wingers and more on the foundational pieces. When the situation becomes reversed, you end up like the present Toronto Maple Leafs. ... and round and round we go ... I'll just throw in 2 more cents - there are exceptions to most rules and as you have laid out a rule for team building I generally agree with - I will say that Demidov is an exceptional player (Levshunov is not) and therefore he meets the "exception to rule" criteria. BTW - not trying to pat ourselves on the back but I find it nice both of us can argue our positions with well thought out positions and without the rancor that so often devolves internet discussion. One more turn. I don't think there is universal consensus about either player. Some love Levshunov; others don't. Same with Demidov. We are not discussing a Connor Bedard here by any stretch. I do worry about the potential weak quality of this draft. When so many names appear at the top of different lists, it's more likely because none of the players is that good. I'm with those who would prefer Davidson trade down, though I recognize this scenario won't happen. As others have mentioned (and I think wisely), so many decisions are more about selling the product than building the roster. The general manager also has to consider what helps his job security most in the short term. His leash will at some point begin to get a little tighter. As you know, there are a small few of us who are just about done with him already.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 23, 2024 13:04:05 GMT -6
... and round and round we go ... I'll just throw in 2 more cents - there are exceptions to most rules and as you have laid out a rule for team building I generally agree with - I will say that Demidov is an exceptional player (Levshunov is not) and therefore he meets the "exception to rule" criteria. BTW - not trying to pat ourselves on the back but I find it nice both of us can argue our positions with well thought out positions and without the rancor that so often devolves internet discussion. One more turn. I don't think there is universal consensus about either player. Some love Levshunov; others don't. Same with Demidov. We are not discussing a Connor Bedard here by any stretch. I do worry about the potential weak quality of this draft. When so many names appear at the top of different lists, it's more likely because none of the players is that good. I'm with those who would prefer Davidson trade down, though I recognize this scenario won't happen. As others have mentioned (and I think wisely), so many decisions are more about selling the product than building the roster. The general manager also has to consider what helps his job security most in the short term. His leash will at some point begin to get a little tighter. As you know, there are a small few of us who are just about done with him already.Here again we find ourselves on different sides of a topic. I like KD and his rebuild plan and have no complaints with anything he has done so far. Having said that - the proof will be in the pudding and the pudding should be ready to taste within the next couple years. I will add that the pick KD makes at #2 will have a significant impact on my assessment of his ability to steer the ship.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 23, 2024 15:09:57 GMT -6
I’ve had epic discussions with MVR over the years. I absolutely love what he brings even if i don’t agree. ER too. Actually these boards are great for the chats. No one belittles anyone to prove a point. It’s always fun on here. We have the most exciting week ahead of us, then I’m sure the boards will be a little dead for a while. Then it’ll be September and back to the grind!!! aye, this is a rarity on internet message boards, for sure. things stay civil here, even when the disagreements are vehement!
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Post by vadarx on Jun 23, 2024 15:12:56 GMT -6
also, who here wants to bet me that the 'hawks take John Mustard in the second round? No offense to the fella. His name doesn’t sound like a popular name that would be called out a lot. Not sure I know much about the hockey with this fella. But I just cannot see John Fuckin Mustard winning the Art Ross!!! one of the fastest skaters in the draft and a center. Blackhawks take him @ 50, watch. either him or Howe.
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 23, 2024 15:41:54 GMT -6
I’ve had epic discussions with MVR over the years. I absolutely love what he brings even if i don’t agree. ER too. Actually these boards are great for the chats. No one belittles anyone to prove a point. It’s always fun on here. We have the most exciting week ahead of us, then I’m sure the boards will be a little dead for a while. Then it’ll be September and back to the grind!!! aye, this is a rarity on internet message boards, for sure. things stay civil here, even when the disagreements are vehement! It’s nice to see common respect even when folks don’t agree
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 23, 2024 17:00:21 GMT -6
aye, this is a rarity on internet message boards, for sure. things stay civil here, even when the disagreements are vehement! It’s nice to see common respect even when folks don’t agree What do you mean by spewing that nonsense - you no good so and so ... just kidding.
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 23, 2024 18:02:45 GMT -6
We know Levshunov will be an NHL player. Given what he has accomplished so far in college, he is almost certainly going to get top four minutes within a couple years. This is not a great trajectory from where he is now. Will he eventually get to be a top pair guy like Doughty? There is no way of knowing, but that's the hope. Demodov is playing against other kids in the Junior leagues in the watered down Russian Leagues. He looks very good there. But what does that actually mean? Can we really project a junior player with zero international experience as a future star? It's a gamble I would not take at pick two. We knew what we were getting with Bedard when he dominated the International Junior tournament against the world's best last December. MVR - you and I go round and round the rosy way too much - people are going to start "talking". It seems to me our argument can be summed up by stating you are arguing in favor of Lev's floor and I'm arguing in favor of Dem's ceiling. Your argument is less risky and mine is more risky. At #2 I want to swing for more risky. I listened to a show with someone on it that was talking about Demidov. Whoever it was thought Demidov was the 2nd best player after Celebrini. He was talking about Demidov and some of his rankings among the draft class in the various categories that are done each year before the draft, and he said Demidov had the "Highest Ceiling." This includes Celebrini.
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Post by BigT on Jun 23, 2024 18:38:49 GMT -6
If the Hawks do make a trade like the one proposed with the Jets. We will have our answer to whom they’re taking. If the Hawks get 2 forwards in a trade. And give up a right shot D, they’re drafting a right shot D!!!
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 23, 2024 18:43:51 GMT -6
If the Hawks do make a trade like the one proposed with the Jets. We will have our answer to whom they’re taking. If the Hawks get 2 forwards in a trade. And give up a right shot D, they’re drafting a right shot D!!! Yep, you're probably right. Ehlers is less of a important piece of the rebuild than McGroarty, in my opinion, but acquiring McGroarty would go a long way to ease the displeasure of KD selecting Lev over Dem. I like McGroarty a lot and even though I don't thing he has near the ceiling as Demidov - he would still be a significant piece of the rebuilt top-6.
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Post by mvr on Jun 23, 2024 18:45:04 GMT -6
Who was this "expert" talking about Demidov? Where does he work? Is he a legit scout, or is he (more likely) a part-time (or amateur) journalist who works freelance at a website?
What are his credentials? What kind of track record does he have in making predictions?
My guess - Very little, unfortunately. The NHL scouts certainly are not feeding him or his staff information. No independent organization has the the resources or the budget to do the research.
I have no idea if Demidov will become a superstar. But I also recognize that these posers pretending to know more than they do based on watching videos online have no idea either. They are generating clicks by directing fans to their sites.
In truth, (as I have said before) with the decline of print journalism and the emergence of internet websites, we are more in the dark than ever before.
One hundred plus years ago, before the government stepped in regulate the drug industry, there was a "pharmacist" in every town pushing pills to help 'cure" all ailments. Without any real journalistic standards online, we have to approach these commentators for what they are (and what they are not).
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Post by mvr on Jun 23, 2024 18:55:47 GMT -6
If the Hawks do make a trade like the one proposed with the Jets. We will have our answer to whom they’re taking. If the Hawks get 2 forwards in a trade. And give up a right shot D, they’re drafting a right shot D!!! I am not excited about losing the 18th pick overall in this trade proposal. If this pick was to be included, surely there would be another big piece coming to Chicago. To my mind, Ehlers and Murphy are of comparable value given the contracts (The Hawks would be taking on cap dollars). Reichel and the Jet college prospect are of similar if not equal value. The Jets do have the 5th pick in the 2nd round. At bare minimum, that pick would need to be added to compensate for the Hawks' 1st pick.
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Post by BigT on Jun 23, 2024 18:57:36 GMT -6
This is also speculation, but it does have to do with the draft. I’ve read a few tweets and rumours of the Hawks swapping pick 18 for 12 with Philly for Atkinson.
I’d do that. Atkinson has 2 years left at 5.75 (I believe). It’s almost too perfect for what the Hawks are trying to do. And it gets Philly from buying him out. Not sure what the buyout would like. But I believe it’s double the years X 2/3 the salary. Or 3.75 million for 4 years. I think moving down 6 slots and gaining 5.75 in cap will help. Plus Philly has Michkov coming. So they probably want to load up the roster!!!
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 23, 2024 19:32:27 GMT -6
This is also speculation, but it does have to do with the draft. I’ve read a few tweets and rumours of the Hawks swapping pick 18 for 12 with Philly for Atkinson. I’d do that. Atkinson has 2 years left at 5.75 (I believe). It’s almost too perfect for what the Hawks are trying to do. And it gets Philly from buying him out. Not sure what the buyout would like. But I believe it’s double the years X 2/3 the salary. Or 3.75 million for 4 years. I think moving down 6 slots and gaining 5.75 in cap will help. Plus Philly has Michkov coming. So they probably want to load up the roster!!! Atkinson has 1 year left but yes this is what we are looking for
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Post by Hockey is great on Jun 23, 2024 19:36:42 GMT -6
This is also speculation, but it does have to do with the draft. I’ve read a few tweets and rumours of the Hawks swapping pick 18 for 12 with Philly for Atkinson. I’d do that. Atkinson has 2 years left at 5.75 (I believe). It’s almost too perfect for what the Hawks are trying to do. And it gets Philly from buying him out. Not sure what the buyout would like. But I believe it’s double the years X 2/3 the salary. Or 3.75 million for 4 years. I think moving down 6 slots and gaining 5.75 in cap will help. Plus Philly has Michkov coming. So they probably want to load up the roster!!! one year left on his deal. Can play on the third line with Foligno and Dickinson. Gives us a righty shooter and a guy who can pk. No reason to buy him out.
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