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Post by mikeveisor on Aug 25, 2020 10:55:58 GMT -6
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Post by mvr on Aug 25, 2020 12:23:48 GMT -6
I would go longer with lower dollars.
3 years = $9 M or even 4 years at $10 M.
He might get more on a one year contract (ie 1 year at $5 M), but nobody else will offer the longer term.
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Post by BigT on Aug 25, 2020 12:23:50 GMT -6
I do appreciate his willingness to stay and possibly a home town discount. But 3-4 years? With his concussions, at 35 or older is way too risky. His cap hit counts against the cap no matter what now. With the 35 and older rule.
I’d love for him to stay. But chances are he only fits in for a year at a time. If he’d sign a 1 year 2.5 million deal to help out, that’d be the way to go. He’s made well over 40 million. He’s not hurting, and if he wants playing time, I’d give it to him but give me cap flexibility!!!
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Post by mvr on Aug 25, 2020 12:26:29 GMT -6
If the concussions end his career, the Hawks should be off the hook for the contract. He would be placed on LTIR. I believe he provides value as a long term option grooming a younger kid.
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Post by BigT on Aug 25, 2020 12:26:49 GMT -6
I would go longer with lower dollars. 3 years = $9 M or even 4 years at $10 M. He might get more on a one year contract (ie 1 year at $5 M), but nobody else will offer the longer term. It’s not possible my man. He’s 35 and his money counts against the cap regardless. It’s best to go shorter term less money. One year at a time with him. The Hawks are in cap hell again, and will be for the next 3-4 years if they don’t stop with those contracts now. The team is teedering on the edge of fully rebuilding. Its not fair to the next GM to have to inherit all of this!!! |
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Post by mvr on Aug 25, 2020 12:28:20 GMT -6
If he can't physically play, I believe the contract would not count. The only real concern is an early retirement.
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Post by BigT on Aug 25, 2020 12:28:52 GMT -6
If the concussions end his career, the Hawks should be off the hook for the contract. He would be placed on LTIR. I believe he provides value as a long term option grooming a younger kid. LTIR is not the cap flexibility many think it is. It weighs on the cap in the offseason. So you cannot spend that money until the season starts. Which will cripple the Hawks. You cannot solve a problem by using the same type thinking that got you into the problem!!! |
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Post by mvr on Aug 25, 2020 12:29:11 GMT -6
I like the short term route for Strome, Nylander and Kubalik for sure.
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Post by BigT on Aug 25, 2020 12:30:35 GMT -6
If he can't physically play, I believe the contract would not count. The only real concern is an early retirement. 35 and older players contracts count 100% against the cap, regardless if the can’t play due to injury or due to retirement!!! |
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Post by BigT on Aug 25, 2020 12:43:32 GMT -6
Good to see you back MVR.
Did you hear Stan did get the extension last summer? It was reported by Scott Powers!!!
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Post by hsbob on Aug 25, 2020 15:45:58 GMT -6
Classy move by CC,you could find healthier in the 3M range but you won't find better. Can this squad keep Crawford 'clean' enough to stay healthy is the question for all involved IMO.
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Post by mvr on Aug 25, 2020 17:34:37 GMT -6
Good to see you back MVR. Did you hear Stan did get the extension last summer? It was reported by Scott Powers!!! I keep forgetting my password. Old age, I guess. I have now written it down. Stan's days are numbered. The boys legitimately need to get back into the playoffs next year. I believe they will be so long as the general manager stays out of the way this summer and lets things lie. If I am Bowman, I am resigning all the kids on short term deals, locking up Crawford for a few years at a low salary and moving on from Smith and Maata (perhaps adding Sikura, Krys or Highmore to get out of these contracts). The only legit asset I might trade is Debrincat, and only if the return helps the present core. I still like Tom Wilson as a trade target. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 25, 2020 17:49:59 GMT -6
we drafted crawford 17 years and 2 months ago.
that's hard to believe. i was young then. : )
i'd love to see him hit 20 years (at least) in this organization.
3 more playoff games and he ties tony-0 for most playoff games in a hawks' uniform. (99)
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Aug 25, 2020 18:10:19 GMT -6
we drafted crawford 17 years and 2 months ago. that's hard to believe. i was young then. : ) i'd love to see him hit 20 years (at least) in this organization. Even 18yrs would be a good number, ideally a 1yr contract around 3-4mill would be a great deal but no more than 2yrs. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 25, 2020 18:20:56 GMT -6
we drafted crawford 17 years and 2 months ago. that's hard to believe. i was young then. : ) i'd love to see him hit 20 years (at least) in this organization. Even 18yrs would be a good number, ideally a 1yr contract around 3-4mill would be a great deal but no more than 2yrs. i'd give him 2 years at 4 million/per. might not be the best move financially for a g.m. to make but with crow's tenure here, i wouldn't insult him with some low ball 1 year deal. |
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Post by BigT on Aug 25, 2020 18:51:56 GMT -6
Even 18yrs would be a good number, ideally a 1yr contract around 3-4mill would be a great deal but no more than 2yrs. i'd give him 2 years at 4 million/per. might not be the best move financially for a g.m. to make but with crow's tenure here, i wouldn't insult him with some low ball 1 year deal. I don’t think anything would be insulting. I think they’ll talk and if I was a GM, I’d simply say here’s how much we have to offer. The cap is stagnant. I’d love to pay you more but the cap won’t allow. This is why I think one year deals are the best for both sides right now. Maybe next summer the Hawks have more money and could afford to give him 5 million next summer. Take her year by year, it’s by far the beat way. I believe Nik Lidstrom did this for his last 3-4 years and it worked out well!!! |
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Post by hawks27 on Aug 25, 2020 18:58:57 GMT -6
Good to see you back MVR. Did you hear Stan did get the extension last summer? It was reported by Scott Powers!!! I keep forgetting my password. Old age, I guess. I have now written it down. Stan's days are numbered. The boys legitimately need to get back into the playoffs next year. I believe they will be so long as the general manager stays out of the way this summer and lets things lie. If I am Bowman, I am resigning all the kids on short term deals, locking up Crawford for a few years at a low salary and moving on from Smith and Maata (perhaps adding Sikura, Krys or Highmore to get out of these contracts). The only legit asset I might trade is Debrincat, and only if the return helps the present core. I still like Tom Wilson as a trade target. Tom Wilson would be a great addition to the Hawks. Also, maybe get Toews' old college linemate (Oshie) in the deal. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Aug 25, 2020 19:01:58 GMT -6
i'd give him 2 years at 4 million/per. might not be the best move financially for a g.m. to make but with crow's tenure here, i wouldn't insult him with some low ball 1 year deal. I don’t think anything would be insulting. I think they’ll talk and if I was a GM, I’d simply say here’s how much we have to offer. The cap is stagnant. I’d love to pay you more but the cap won’t allow. This is why I think one year deals are the best for both sides right now. Maybe next summer the Hawks have more money and could afford to give him 5 million next summer. Take her year by year, it’s by far the beat way. I believe Nik Lidstrom did this for his last 3-4 years and it worked out well!!! just his last 2 years (at 41 and 42 years old) were 1 year deals at 6.2mill/per. that was a lot of money 8 years ago but he was still putting up good great numbers and of course he had a long tenure with his team, same as crow. |
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Post by BigT on Aug 25, 2020 19:13:37 GMT -6
I don’t think anything would be insulting. I think they’ll talk and if I was a GM, I’d simply say here’s how much we have to offer. The cap is stagnant. I’d love to pay you more but the cap won’t allow. This is why I think one year deals are the best for both sides right now. Maybe next summer the Hawks have more money and could afford to give him 5 million next summer. Take her year by year, it’s by far the beat way. I believe Nik Lidstrom did this for his last 3-4 years and it worked out well!!! just his last 2 years (at 41 and 42 years old) were 1 year deals at 6.2mill/per. that was a lot of money 8 years ago but he was still putting up good great numbers and of course he had a long tenure with his team, same as crow. Lidstrom can easily be argued as the best Dman of all time. No doubt there. I believe he did win a Norris over the last two years. If CC was healthy and just won a Vezina for the 7th time, I’d absolutely agree that he should be paid handsomely. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have him back. Hopefully at a rate that can help the team a bit now. I believe when he got his 6 year deal, he was one of the higher paid goalies at that time!!! |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Aug 29, 2020 7:13:38 GMT -6
The Crawford situation is very interesting, the Hawks don’t have a goalie waiting in the wings, but at the same time with a salary cap squeezing the teams financial constraints, anything offered will look like a low ball offer. 3 Million would have to be a max offer, but in truth with or without CC this team needs a change. I am sure the front office wants Cory to end his career as a hawk, but no one ever saw the pandemic coming which ultimately changed everything financially, cap wise. A flat cap, with players to sign, who is expendable? Does the team entertain trade offers for the Cat, do they ship Strome out, can they trade Seabs, do they trade Kubalik for a possible first rounder, these will be the factors in which Stan will use to sign or not sign CC.
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Post by jimakablkhwks918 on Aug 29, 2020 7:33:48 GMT -6
I'm all in on 3 for 2.
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Post by BigT on Aug 29, 2020 9:56:07 GMT -6
The Crawford situation is very interesting, the Hawks don’t have a goalie waiting in the wings, but at the same time with a salary cap squeezing the teams financial constraints, anything offered will look like a low ball offer. 3 Million would have to be a max offer, but in truth with or without CC this team needs a change. I am sure the front office wants Cory to end his career as a hawk, but no one ever saw the pandemic coming which ultimately changed everything financially, cap wise. A flat cap, with players to sign, who is expendable? Does the team entertain trade offers for the Cat, do they ship Strome out, can they trade Seabs, do they trade Kubalik for a possible first rounder, these will be the factors in which Stan will use to sign or not sign CC. You bring up a great point with Kubalik. And before any one jumps on this idea, it’s just kicking the tires on an idea. So. If Kubalik could be dealt for a top ten pick that could be NHL ready. I’d have to think that’s worth entertaining. Or maybe a rebuilding team would accept Kubalik and the Hawks 17 to move into the 5/6 spots. Would Yzerman entertain pick 17 and Kubalik for pick 4? I’d rather keep him personally. But some sort of trade like that should happen with someone. I think I’m in the boat of just rebuild it properly. The next wave that Stan has brought in really hasn’t shown much to take over the team. Plus when you have a coach that seems to be on his 3rd lobotomy, I’m not sure he’s cut out to legally work in the state of Illinois. I think Stan will screw up really bad this year. He’s got no money, and the only assets he has he can’t trade. You really have to think that to unload Seabs deal, everyone will be asking for Dach, just like how he threw in Teravainen. So I doubt he can trade Seabs even if he wanted!!! |
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Post by hawkinmontreal on Aug 29, 2020 10:57:59 GMT -6
The Crawford situation is very interesting, the Hawks don’t have a goalie waiting in the wings, but at the same time with a salary cap squeezing the teams financial constraints, anything offered will look like a low ball offer. 3 Million would have to be a max offer, but in truth with or without CC this team needs a change. I am sure the front office wants Cory to end his career as a hawk, but no one ever saw the pandemic coming which ultimately changed everything financially, cap wise. A flat cap, with players to sign, who is expendable? Does the team entertain trade offers for the Cat, do they ship Strome out, can they trade Seabs, do they trade Kubalik for a possible first rounder, these will be the factors in which Stan will use to sign or not sign CC. You bring up a great point with Kubalik. And before any one jumps on this idea, it’s just kicking the tires on an idea. So. If Kubalik could be dealt for a top ten pick that could be NHL ready. I’d have to think that’s worth entertaining. Or maybe a rebuilding team would accept Kubalik and the Hawks 17 to move into the 5/6 spots. Would Yzerman entertain pick 17 and Kubalik for pick 4? I’d rather keep him personally. But some sort of trade like that should happen with someone. I think I’m in the boat of just rebuild it properly. The next wave that Stan has brought in really hasn’t shown much to take over the team. Plus when you have a coach that seems to be on his 3rd lobotomy, I’m not sure he’s cut out to legally work in the state of Illinois. I think Stan will screw up really bad this year. He’s got no money, and the only assets he has he can’t trade. You really have to think that to unload Seabs deal, everyone will be asking for Dach, just like how he threw in Teravainen. So I doubt he can trade Seabs even if he wanted!!! I think Seabs eventually ends up in Seattle. On the issue with Kubalik, I think he is a decent player, but how decent which brings up a past player who was traded out at the wrong time, Gutstafsson, if traded when his value was high this team could’ve brought home a number one pick. Panarin is another, the Hawks traded him for Saad, when they could of picked up Dubois, the kid is a star in the making. I like Kubalik, be he seems very hot and cold, as we all saw in this years playoffs, he had his moments in the Edmonton series, then was pretty invisible during the Vegas series. I would entertain all offers for him, including first round picks, nothing is off the table now, this team needs to start building for the next 3-5 years. |
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Post by hsbob on Aug 30, 2020 8:21:27 GMT -6
Since Seabs' deal is as bad as it is,with term,salary and clauses,the real bite are the bonuses involved that make a buy out a non starter.....what a terrible contract! The question is,can eating half the money keep the team from adding sweeteners? Would a team take a chance @3-31/2M?
I'd like to keep Kubalik but trading anyone for the right return HAS to be the mantra right now.....including the great,cup winners.
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Post by BigT on Aug 30, 2020 9:00:25 GMT -6
Since Seabs' deal is as bad as it is,with term,salary and clauses,the real bite are the bonuses involved that make a buy out a non starter.....what a terrible contract! The question is,can eating half the money keep the team from adding sweeteners? Would a team take a chance @3-31/2M? I'd like to keep Kubalik but trading anyone for the right return HAS to be the mantra right now.....including the great,cup winners. Unfortunately, you may be right. Keeping the same team and hoping they squeeze in and use the ole “anything can happen” mantra, is loser talk and a sad broken man selling us sea shells by the sea shore. We don’t need to buy his turds anymore. We need a new direction, cuz the saddest part is the man with the supposed plan still believes this is a Cup contender. Which was just proven to not even be remotely close to that. I’d love to see him get fired, and have a new GM come in and make a litany of trades for picks and prospects to rebuild this thing. The Wings tried filling out their roster with kids they had and with fringe NHLERS. Look where they are now. It was inevitable, no doubt, but they’re probably 5 years past their expired date of starting a rebuild!!! |
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Post by Tater on Aug 30, 2020 12:46:00 GMT -6
Unfortunately, you may be right. Keeping the same team and hoping they squeeze in and use the ole “anything can happen” mantra, is loser talk and a sad broken man selling us sea shells by the sea shore. We don’t need to buy his turds anymore. We need a new direction, cuz the saddest part is the man with the supposed plan still believes this is a Cup contender. Which was just proven to not even be remotely close to that. I’d love to see him get fired, and have a new GM come in and make a litany of trades for picks and prospects to rebuild this thing. The Wings tried filling out their roster with kids they had and with fringe NHLERS. Look where they are now. It was inevitable, no doubt, but they’re probably 5 years past their expired date of starting a rebuild!!! And we all lived through here in the 90's and early 2000's. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Sept 1, 2020 10:01:58 GMT -6
I would say 3M for 2 years or 2M for 3 years...no clauses, and start the bloody succession plan in net. Let's get some of prospect net-minders in there and give them starts to see what they got, and if one of them shows promise, start giving them more and more starts.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 8, 2020 10:11:06 GMT -6
If that's true, it's a great first offer by Stan. Hopefully Crow takes it. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2020 11:14:05 GMT -6
I don't consider $3.5 million a hometown discount.
He's worth 3 max.
Typical bowman overpaying and unwilling to move on from a Cup winner...
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Post by hsbob on Sept 8, 2020 11:46:45 GMT -6
I don't consider $3.5 million a hometown discount. He's worth 3 max. Typical bowman overpaying and unwilling to move on from a Cup winner... Maybe it's the "cup winner" part.......Ward got 3M for cryin' out loud. |
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