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Post by 2old4this on Jul 8, 2022 13:19:20 GMT -6
I'm wondering if anybody here would consider Seth Jones a top d-man if he was only making 8 mil/year? Derek King called him a stud.
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 8, 2022 13:19:44 GMT -6
Pretty fair draft. Not happy about the weak return for Debrincat.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 8, 2022 13:40:28 GMT -6
Pretty fair draft. Not happy about the weak return for Debrincat. A top10 pick, early 2nd, and a 3rd in next year's draft isn't horrible, better than getting some later firsts at the trade deadline like the Tampa picks for Hagel, which was fair for him but not Debrincat. That top10 pick might be a future leader on D and he has good size, more coveted than an elite winger. I'm sure Luke likes the Hawks D prospects with Korchinski and Rinzel added to Vlasic, Regula, Mitchell, Allan, Phillips, Del Mastro, and Crevier, And who knows, 6'4" Roos might be a solid signing. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 8, 2022 13:48:07 GMT -6
looks to me like the folks in charge saw two things: a lack of a top pairing guy in the current prospect group and the likelihood of next year's selection (post tank) being a top forward. so, we got what we got. two kicks at the can here, hoping one of the two (particularly the 7th OA) turns into that top d prospect/player. With the amount of forwards taken after the 1st round it shows they're confident in the amount of D prospects in the system but yeah, none are projected to be a #2 dman but Kosinski and Rinzel have that potential, especially Kos. He just turned 18 and might grow more than 6'2", almost looked as tall as Luke. I like that he's from Saskatchewan, like last years first rounder, because they're usually tough kids. I've watched a lot of Kosinskis highlights and the kid looks like the real deal. It's impressive what he did as a 17yr old in the WHL and got better in the playoffs helping his team win the Western conference final. He's got a high IQ and has great skills. Hope you a right OTH but what I have read the kid can’t play D and there’s a good chance he never gets to NHL level on that front. Game scouting was done by Mitchell Brown and David St-Louis mostly. High risk pick at 7 don’t think it was a smart pick. But I’ll start drinking tear down cool aid soon and my mood will change. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 8, 2022 14:04:00 GMT -6
With the amount of forwards taken after the 1st round it shows they're confident in the amount of D prospects in the system but yeah, none are projected to be a #2 dman but Kosinski and Rinzel have that potential, especially Kos. He just turned 18 and might grow more than 6'2", almost looked as tall as Luke. I like that he's from Saskatchewan, like last years first rounder, because they're usually tough kids. I've watched a lot of Kosinskis highlights and the kid looks like the real deal. It's impressive what he did as a 17yr old in the WHL and got better in the playoffs helping his team win the Western conference final. He's got a high IQ and has great skills. Hope you a right OTH but what I have read the kid can’t play D and there’s a good chance he never gets to NHL level on that front. Game scouting was done by Mitchell Brown and David St-Louis mostly. High risk pick at 7 don’t think it was a smart pick. But I’ll start drinking tear down cool aid soon and my mood will change. From the highlights I've seen he looks good on D, Korchinski even said he wants to improve to be a complete player. But to say he never gets to the NHL because that's his "worst" quality is wrong, 61 assists as a 17yr old dman in the WHL alone says he'll be an NHLer one day. Have you watched any of his highlights? He has a lot of potential. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 8, 2022 14:36:20 GMT -6
as far as Kos goes, my favorite thing about him is he sounds like a worker and smart kid. self motivated to succeed. that's a good start with his physical ability. let's hope we got our next HOF dman the day before our last HOF dman retired...
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Post by steamer on Jul 8, 2022 14:55:18 GMT -6
As OTH has said, there is now a pretty good pipeline of D-men in the system and surely some will blossom in the coming years. The draft added a number of forwards but there may be a gap after Reichel who presumably will be NHL ready this fall. As we have agreed, this is going to be a painful process but the rebuild has begun and while it’s way to early to judge this draft, I do feel a twinge of optimism.
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 8, 2022 15:04:58 GMT -6
Connor Bedard could ease that pain considerably.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 8, 2022 16:57:28 GMT -6
Connor Bedard could ease that pain considerably. Oh yeah, they should have good odds, especially if Kane decides to go before the start of the season. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 8, 2022 18:22:21 GMT -6
Hope you a right OTH but what I have read the kid can’t play D and there’s a good chance he never gets to NHL level on that front. Game scouting was done by Mitchell Brown and David St-Louis mostly. High risk pick at 7 don’t think it was a smart pick. But I’ll start drinking tear down cool aid soon and my mood will change. From the highlights I've seen he looks good on D, Korchinski even said he wants to improve to be a complete player. But to say he never gets to the NHL because that's his "worst" quality is wrong, 61 assists as a 17yr old dman in the WHL alone says he'll be an NHLer one day. Have you watched any of his highlights? He has a lot of potential. I’m not going to say he’s gonna be this or that. I just haven’t really heard of him to be honest. So I’ll say give him 2 years of development time in the WHL. Then ship him off to Rockford for a year. Or if he’s ready, let him play. A kid that offensively gifted may need to be inserted into the NHL and sheltered with limited minutes. But the key is for him to go back and put up 90 points next year. And go from there. Never know. Maybe he needs more time, maybe he doesn’t. We’ll let his production do the deciding!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 8, 2022 20:28:46 GMT -6
I'm going to temper any excitement on the possibility that any of these kids develop under the Hawks.
Their development coaches don't have a good track record the last few years.
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 8, 2022 20:55:08 GMT -6
I'm going to temper any excitement on the possibility that any of these kids develop under the Hawks. Their development coaches don't have a good track record the last few years. By the same token, I have a feeling that KIrby Dach will blossom under the guidance of Les Habs. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 8, 2022 20:55:16 GMT -6
I'm going to temper any excitement on the possibility that any of these kids develop under the Hawks. Their development coaches don't have a good track record the last few years. The front office and coaches are new so we don't know how they'll develop these prospects but KD and Richardson sound like they'll only play them when they're ready. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 8, 2022 21:01:52 GMT -6
I'm going to temper any excitement on the possibility that any of these kids develop under the Hawks. Their development coaches don't have a good track record the last few years. The front office and coaches are new so we don't know how they'll develop these prospects but KD and Richardson sound like they'll only play them when they're ready. The front office and 1 new head coach is not development. That has not changed, they are still the same group. When does the new HC get to pick his assistants? |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 8, 2022 21:17:46 GMT -6
The front office and coaches are new so we don't know how they'll develop these prospects but KD and Richardson sound like they'll only play them when they're ready. The front office and 1 new head coach is not development. That has not changed, they are still the same group. When does the new HC get to pick his assistants? KD has the final say so ultimately it's the front office who decides if they play in the NHL or not. It's the development coaches job to instruct players on things they need to work on. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 8, 2022 21:27:37 GMT -6
The front office and 1 new head coach is not development. That has not changed, they are still the same group. When does the new HC get to pick his assistants? KD has the final say so ultimately it's the front office who decides if they play in the NHL or not. It's the development coaches job to instruct players on things they need to work on. Again, we still have the same development coaches that failed the last few years. So why should we expect anything different. |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 8, 2022 21:38:05 GMT -6
I'm wondering if Chris Chelios would be interested in being a defense coach.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 8, 2022 21:48:04 GMT -6
Hope you a right OTH but what I have read the kid can’t play D and there’s a good chance he never gets to NHL level on that front. Game scouting was done by Mitchell Brown and David St-Louis mostly. High risk pick at 7 don’t think it was a smart pick. But I’ll start drinking tear down cool aid soon and my mood will change. From the highlights I've seen he looks good on D, Korchinski even said he wants to improve to be a complete player. But to say he never gets to the NHL because that's his "worst" quality is wrong, 61 assists as a 17yr old dman in the WHL alone says he'll be an NHLer one day. Have you watched any of his highlights? He has a lot of potential. Didn’t say he doesn’t get to NHL. his his D zone defense never gets to NHL level. If I’m picking that high I wanted a safer pick.yes I have seen some of the highlights and yes plenty of offensive potential there once I get reports that his D is average I’ll remove the tall Bo label. As I said hope I’m dead wrong on this |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 8, 2022 21:52:14 GMT -6
I'm wondering if Chris Chelios would be interested in being a defense coach. No, just no. He's a douche and should be nowhere near this team. Already have Campbell as "Advisor" and look at the wonderful job he's done with Beaudin, Mitchell, Boqvist, etc, etc... |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jul 8, 2022 22:36:32 GMT -6
I'm wondering if Chris Chelios would be interested in being a defense coach. No, just no. He's a douche and should be nowhere near this team. Already have Campbell as "Advisor" and look at the wonderful job he's done with Beaudin, Mitchell, Boqvist, etc, etc... Infinity thumbs up T-man |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 9, 2022 5:04:19 GMT -6
I'm wondering if Chris Chelios would be interested in being a defense coach. I'd rather have Seabs as a defense coach. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 9, 2022 5:09:40 GMT -6
From the highlights I've seen he looks good on D, Korchinski even said he wants to improve to be a complete player. But to say he never gets to the NHL because that's his "worst" quality is wrong, 61 assists as a 17yr old dman in the WHL alone says he'll be an NHLer one day. Have you watched any of his highlights? He has a lot of potential. Didn’t say he doesn’t get to NHL. his his D zone defense never gets to NHL level. If I’m picking that high I wanted a safer pick.yes I have seen some of the highlights and yes plenty of offensive potential there once I get reports that his D is average I’ll remove the tall Bo label. As I said hope I’m dead wrong on this You did say there's a good chance he NEVER makes the NHL. He's a smart kid and knows what he has to work on and he wants to be well rounded. We'll see how he progresses over the next couple years. I hope you are dead wrong. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 9, 2022 5:14:36 GMT -6
KD has the final say so ultimately it's the front office who decides if they play in the NHL or not. It's the development coaches job to instruct players on things they need to work on. Again, we still have the same development coaches that failed the last few years. So why should we expect anything different. We also had a desperate clueless GM who rushed his shiny new toys, nothing a development coach can do if the GM doesn't let them develop. And we now have big Luke, who I'm sure will have input on if they're ready. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 9, 2022 6:19:13 GMT -6
Again, we still have the same development coaches that failed the last few years. So why should we expect anything different. We also had a desperate clueless GM who rushed his shiny new toys, nothing a development coach can do if the GM doesn't let them develop. And we now have big Luke, who I'm sure will have input on if they're ready. We also had a GM that rushed his shiny new Campbell into a roll that he just winged it. Pretty sad that hat it was better to look like a good guy than do the right things. How was Campbell even qualified? You gotta be able to know what you’re doing can’t just say “I played” and the rest is easy. Hopefully that gets fixed!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 9, 2022 8:01:47 GMT -6
We also had a desperate clueless GM who rushed his shiny new toys, nothing a development coach can do if the GM doesn't let them develop. And we now have big Luke, who I'm sure will have input on if they're ready. We also had a GM that rushed his shiny new Campbell into a roll that he just winged it. Pretty sad that hat it was better to look like a good guy than do the right things. How was Campbell even qualified? You gotta be able to know what you’re doing can’t just say “I played” and the rest is easy. Hopefully that gets fixed!!! Worse is they promoted Campbell to "Advisor" right behind Bowman. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 9, 2022 8:10:03 GMT -6
I'm wondering if anybody here would consider Seth Jones a top d-man if he was only making 8 mil/year? Derek King called him a stud. That may have been after he saw him in the shower!LOL! |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 9, 2022 8:13:14 GMT -6
I'm going to temper any excitement on the possibility that any of these kids develop under the Hawks. Their development coaches don't have a good track record the last few years. We still have the next Keith and Carlsson? |
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Post by 2old4this on Jul 9, 2022 8:21:18 GMT -6
I'm wondering if Chris Chelios would be interested in being a defense coach. No, just no. He's a douche and should be nowhere near this team. Already have Campbell as "Advisor" and look at the wonderful job he's done with Beaudin, Mitchell, Boqvist, etc, etc... Apparently, you know something about him that I don't. I only know he was a kick-ass D-man who had a disagreement with Hawks management and signed with the deadwings.
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Post by hsbob on Jul 9, 2022 8:23:55 GMT -6
I'm wondering if Chris Chelios would be interested in being a defense coach. No, just no. He's a douche and should be nowhere near this team. Already have Campbell as "Advisor" and look at the wonderful job he's done with Beaudin, Mitchell, Boqvist, etc, etc... You can't put it all on Soupy T-man,I'm not sayin' I'd lose a minute of sleep if he was replaced but he wasn't behind the bench in Chicago or Rockford to be fair and it certainly wasn't HIS decision to bring Boqvist up after only 15 AHL games. Campbell was on record saying the 19yro needed a full year in Rockford to work on his D-zone play after a very good first year offensively in the 'O' and he said he looked forward to working with him further but he didn't get it. Potter and his staff were the one's who threw him to the wolves and failed to teach and develop him further........you give Potter a pass? |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 9, 2022 8:28:21 GMT -6
I'm wondering if Chris Chelios would be interested in being a defense coach. I'd rather have Seabs as a defense coach. Coulda had him around the team,coulda buried his LTIR money like TB's gonna do and coulda got assets instead for taking on Johnson's WORTHLESS contract or certainly spent that 15M+ a LOT better!.....the HORROR! |
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