Hagel

[bigbarn27]

*LMFAO* Corrected I think

[galaxytrash]

Feb 26, 2022 10:05:49 GMT -6 bigbarn27 said:

*LMFAO* Corrected I think

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[tincup]

[hsbob]

I bet he can't F'n wait to join the Lightning! It'll be hard for me to warm up to Tampa but another team to watch and seeing Hags end up on a real good team is awesome. Now do D-Cat the same way........he deserves it even more. 1st round picks from Tamps are like 2nds......good thing we got two of em!

[OldTimeHawky]

Mar 18, 2022 15:13:18 GMT -6 tincup said:

He's a classy kid, all the best in Tampa.

It's tough losing a guy I've been following since Red Deer but getting back two guys around the same age, much bigger, and two 1st round picks is a win.

Raddysh and Katchouk were both second rounders and even if both 1sts are late there's still good picks. For a guy the Hawks got for nothing.

[hsbob]

Mar 18, 2022 15:31:47 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Mar 18, 2022 15:13:18 GMT -6 tincup said:

He's a classy kid, all the best in Tampa.

It's tough losing a guy I've been following since Red Deer but getting back two guys around the same age, much bigger, and two 1st round picks is a win.

Raddysh and Katchouk were both second rounders and even if both 1sts are late there's still good picks. For a guy the Hawks got for nothing.

Regardless of how good Hagel turns out? 

[hsbob]

A little too much of this?.....

www.hockeyfights.com/fights/n264087

Doesn't fit the new direction Danny and Jamie want?

[galaxytrash]

Mar 18, 2022 15:13:18 GMT -6 tincup said:

i got up about an hour ago and i saw that someone had just posted in the hagel thread and i'm like "oh oh".

apparently he was very close to getting out of hockey, he was looking at college courses when the hawks rang him up. skip ahead a bit and now he's traded for 2 first rounders and 2 prospects. that's pretty wild.

i'm a bit bummed out like many here i reckon but this is just another page in the brandon hagel story. 

the one thing i'll always be happy about is that it was the blackhawks that brought him back to the game and gave him another chance to prove himself.

[hsbob]

Hagel potted 41 up in Red Deer in '18-19',19 in a 59 game,Covid shortened rookie AHL season in '19-20' and then made the big club his first shot in '20-'21'.....why would he ever have considered quitting? He's excelled at every level!

The Black Hawks acquired Hagel back in Oct of '18'.......he's been outstanding since and only gets better.

[galaxytrash]

Mar 18, 2022 17:43:06 GMT -6 hsbob said:

.....why would he ever have considered quitting? He's excelled at every level!

well...i guess being a 6th rounder who for whatever reason couldn't crack the system on a poor team in buffalo might've knocked him down a notch.

then in 2018 he "didn't last long" after bergevin invited him to a rookie camp in montreal (which at the time was even worse than buffalo).

it's a good thing he stuck with it. 

[hsbob]

Mar 18, 2022 18:49:17 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Mar 18, 2022 17:43:06 GMT -6 hsbob said:

.....why would he ever have considered quitting? He's excelled at every level!

well...i guess being a 6th rounder who for whatever reason couldn't crack the system on a poor team in buffalo might've knocked him down a notch.

then in 2018 he "didn't last long" after bergevin invited him to a rookie camp in montreal (which at the time was even worse than buffalo).

it's a good thing he stuck with it. 

None of that will affect his future and I don't know why guys have to be diminished somehow once we dump em. His WHL career included a 30+ and  40+ season but he was and still is underestimated.................that also will have no affect on his future.

Is this touching story in a book somewhere? 

[galaxytrash]

Mar 18, 2022 19:06:11 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Mar 18, 2022 18:49:17 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

well...i guess being a 6th rounder who for whatever reason couldn't crack the system on a poor team in buffalo might've knocked him down a notch.

then in 2018 he "didn't last long" after bergevin invited him to a rookie camp in montreal (which at the time was even worse than buffalo).

it's a good thing he stuck with it. 

None of that will affect his future and I don't know why guys have to be diminished somehow once we dump em. His WHL career included a 30+ and  40+ season but he was and still is underestimated.................that also will have no affect on his future.

Is this touching story in a book somewhere? 

who's diminishing him here? do you mean me?

the link below is paywalled but i managed to get a quick copy (and paste) in before the chicago suntimes banner covered the article. if you're a subscriber you can read the whole thing.

chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks/2021/9/11/22661477/blackhawks-brandon-hagel-dwayne-hagel-dad-canada-world-championships-nhl-hockey

here's the touching story. 

It was summer 2018. His draft rights relinquished by the -Sabres, Brandon Hagel was about to start his fourth year in -Canadian juniors without any clear path to playing professionally afterward. He needed a backup plan, so he started looking at college classes.

“He was in a bad spot there, he thought, and I thought, too,” Dwayne (edit: his father) said. “A scout from Buffalo really wanted to sign him, and it didn’t happen. He did talk to me at one point and said, ‘Dad, maybe I’ll just take some classes.’

“I said, ‘Brandon, just don’t quit."



here's the link to the canadiens rookie camp invite he had.

www.habsfanatics.com/Brandon-Hagel-could-have-became-a-Montreal-Canadien-107706&s=23

This Friday, the Chicago Blackhawks hit the jackpot by trading their young prospect Brandon Hagel. They sent the forward to the Tampa Bay Lightning with two fourth round picks in return for two first round picks, as well as two prospects.

This big return hurts even more when you consider that Brandon Hagel could have been a member of the CH in 2018. At that time, the sixth-round pick, 159th overall, of the 2016 Buffalo Sabres auction, didn't want to settle with the team that drafted him. So he became a free agent and had the freedom to choose his formation.

In order to see what he could do, the Habs' GM at the time, Marc Bergevin, invited him to his rookie camp. Hagel didn't last long and was returned to his junior team, the Red Deer Rebels in the WHL.

[OldTimeHawky]

Mar 18, 2022 19:06:11 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Mar 18, 2022 18:49:17 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

well...i guess being a 6th rounder who for whatever reason couldn't crack the system on a poor team in buffalo might've knocked him down a notch.

then in 2018 he "didn't last long" after bergevin invited him to a rookie camp in montreal (which at the time was even worse than buffalo).

it's a good thing he stuck with it. 

None of that will affect his future and I don't know why guys have to be diminished somehow once we dump em. His WHL career included a 30+ and  40+ season but he was and still is underestimated.................that also will have no affect on his future.

Is this touching story in a book somewhere? 

Diminished? By who? Hagel is well respected and he'll be missed.

[galaxytrash]

jonny doesn't seem like he's onboard with hagel's trade.

i don't subscribe to the athletic but this quote goes into a bit more detail.

[BigT]

I understand how Toews would be pissed about this. A rebuild sucks. No one wants to do it. But there’s really not much here. KD sees this. Retooling isn’t part of the plan. Maybe the last few guys here (19/88/4) will all see this team is being stripped down and built from the ground up. Maybe they can give something back to Hawks such as a nice package of draft picks and prospects too? Not mad at them if they decide to stay. And the point here should be to not slay them for wanting to stay, or leave. They’ve earned those rights.

Whatever happens, I hope with the Duo especially. They’re treated with the utmost respect either way. I doubt either of 19/88 leave at the deadline. But the off-season is a realistic time!!!

[T-man2010]

Mar 19, 2022 6:26:46 GMT -6 BigT said:

I understand how Toews would be pissed about this. A rebuild sucks. No one wants to do it. But there’s really not much here. KD sees this. Retooling isn’t part of the plan. Maybe the last few guys here (19/88/4) will all see this team is being stripped down and built from the ground up. Maybe they can give something back to Hawks such as a nice package of draft picks and prospects too? Not mad at them if they decide to stay. And the point here should be to not slay them for wanting to stay, or leave. They’ve earned those rights.

Whatever happens, I hope with the Duo especially. They’re treated with the utmost respect either way. I doubt either of 19/88 leave at the deadline. But the off-season is a realistic time!!!

When KD and NM were named GM and associate(?) GM didn't they say this was going to be a rebuild and they were going to get input from 19 & 88?
Didn't they also say no one was untouchable? And what the hell is an associate GM, why not assistant GM? Actually it sounds temporary.

[BigT]

Mar 19, 2022 6:52:05 GMT -6 T-man2010 said:

Mar 19, 2022 6:26:46 GMT -6 BigT said:

I understand how Toews would be pissed about this. A rebuild sucks. No one wants to do it. But there’s really not much here. KD sees this. Retooling isn’t part of the plan. Maybe the last few guys here (19/88/4) will all see this team is being stripped down and built from the ground up. Maybe they can give something back to Hawks such as a nice package of draft picks and prospects too? Not mad at them if they decide to stay. And the point here should be to not slay them for wanting to stay, or leave. They’ve earned those rights.

Whatever happens, I hope with the Duo especially. They’re treated with the utmost respect either way. I doubt either of 19/88 leave at the deadline. But the off-season is a realistic time!!!

When KD and NM were named GM and associate(?) GM didn't they say this was going to be a rebuild and they were going to get input from 19 & 88?
Didn't they also say no one was untouchable? And what the hell is an associate GM, why not assistant GM? Actually it sounds temporary.

Assistant means you work under. Associate means you’re an equal.

From what I recall. Kane and Toews both said they’d like to be consulted as to the direction. KD said it’s going to be a rebuild. He mentioned nothing of consulting the duo. I think he’s been honest so far. Out of respect, he did say that 19/88/4 are the only untouchables.

We have to think that any new guy rebuilding would love to reap the rewards of their assets. Meaning he’d love to get a haul for all 3 of them. And he may just get that wish.

Personally. I’m ok either way with them. Obviously I'd like to see the haul too and speed this thing up. Cuz we’re in one here for a while. There’s gonna be 2-3 lean years. But it would be nice to see full cupboards and some really good youth coming within the next year. Have some type of hope!!!

[hsbob]

Mar 18, 2022 19:17:29 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Mar 18, 2022 19:06:11 GMT -6 hsbob said:

None of that will affect his future and I don't know why guys have to be diminished somehow once we dump em. His WHL career included a 30+ and  40+ season but he was and still is underestimated.................that also will have no affect on his future.

Is this touching story in a book somewhere? 

who's diminishing him here? do you mean me?

the link below is paywalled but i managed to get a quick copy (and paste) in before the chicago suntimes banner covered the article. if you're a subscriber you can read the whole thing.

chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks/2021/9/11/22661477/blackhawks-brandon-hagel-dwayne-hagel-dad-canada-world-championships-nhl-hockey

here's the touching story. 

It was summer 2018. His draft rights relinquished by the -Sabres, Brandon Hagel was about to start his fourth year in -Canadian juniors without any clear path to playing professionally afterward. He needed a backup plan, so he started looking at college classes.

“He was in a bad spot there, he thought, and I thought, too,” Dwayne (edit: his father) said. “A scout from Buffalo really wanted to sign him, and it didn’t happen. He did talk to me at one point and said, ‘Dad, maybe I’ll just take some classes.’

“I said, ‘Brandon, just don’t quit."



here's the link to the canadiens rookie camp invite he had.

www.habsfanatics.com/Brandon-Hagel-could-have-became-a-Montreal-Canadien-107706&s=23

This Friday, the Chicago Blackhawks hit the jackpot by trading their young prospect Brandon Hagel. They sent the forward to the Tampa Bay Lightning with two fourth round picks in return for two first round picks, as well as two prospects.

This big return hurts even more when you consider that Brandon Hagel could have been a member of the CH in 2018. At that time, the sixth-round pick, 159th overall, of the 2016 Buffalo Sabres auction, didn't want to settle with the team that drafted him. So he became a free agent and had the freedom to choose his formation.

In order to see what he could do, the Habs' GM at the time, Marc Bergevin, invited him to his rookie camp. Hagel didn't last long and was returned to his junior team, the Red Deer Rebels in the WHL.

I didn't necessarily mean anyone but I am reading comparisons to Kubalik's 'one good season' a comparison to what Gus brought in trade and his 'one good year' and flash in the pan was in there somewhere too. I'm surprised we haven't heard the typical bad attitude stuff like the team spread after trading Jokiharju but that's apparently the only bad thing that can't be said about Hagel because his attitude was on full display every game.

I doubt what happened back in '18' will have anything to do with Hagel's performance going forward or how it has anything to do with his current value. Two franchises that haven't lifted a cup in forever missed on the kid.........both teams have missed on many kids. 

Many great players came in later rounds or undrafted period........I see that as a positive myself.

The "big return" is yet to be determined.......no?

 

[hsbob]

Mar 18, 2022 19:40:28 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Mar 18, 2022 19:06:11 GMT -6 hsbob said:

None of that will affect his future and I don't know why guys have to be diminished somehow once we dump em. His WHL career included a 30+ and  40+ season but he was and still is underestimated.................that also will have no affect on his future.

Is this touching story in a book somewhere? 

Diminished? By who? Hagel is well respected and he'll be missed.

Okay

[steamer]

Be interesting to see how Bolts use him. He has certainly become an all around player.

[vadarx]

Mar 19, 2022 13:59:08 GMT -6 steamer said:

Be interesting to see how Bolts use him. He has certainly become an all around player.

pretty much guarantee he will be on their third line and pk, at least to start out.

[steamer]

Mar 19, 2022 15:36:44 GMT -6 vadarx said:

Mar 19, 2022 13:59:08 GMT -6 steamer said:

Be interesting to see how Bolts use him. He has certainly become an all around player.

pretty much guarantee he will be on their third line and pk, at least to start out.

The 2 guys he appears to be paired with - Colton and Joseph average 12 to 13 minutes per game and Hagel has been 17+ for the Hawks. So an adjustment of sorts. But he’s shown he can overcome challenges with his work ethic so he should be fine.

Interesting that Colton and Joseph were both 4th rounders and are starters with one of the deeper lineups in the league.

[vadarx]

Mar 19, 2022 17:10:42 GMT -6 steamer said:

Mar 19, 2022 15:36:44 GMT -6 vadarx said:

pretty much guarantee he will be on their third line and pk, at least to start out.

The 2 guys he appears to be paired with - Colton and Joseph average 12 to 13 minutes per game and Hagel has been 17+ for the Hawks. So an adjustment of sorts. But he’s shown he can overcome challenges with his work ethic so he should be fine.

agree.

[steamer]

Hagel with 10 minutes and one shot last night in loss to Rangers. Gonna be hard to get big minutes with Bolts.

[T-man2010]

Mar 20, 2022 8:08:57 GMT -6 steamer said:

Hagel with 10 minutes and one shot last night in loss to Rangers. Gonna be hard to get big minutes with Bolts.

Tampa is in a good position with Hagel. They can let Palat go after this season when his 5.3 mil contract expires. And he's 30

Hagel at 1.5 for 2 more years will fit in that slot nicely. If not even better than Palat.

[vanken]

Mar 20, 2022 8:08:57 GMT -6 steamer said:

Hagel with 10 minutes and one shot last night in loss to Rangers. Gonna be hard to get big minutes with Bolts.

If Brandon can't get the ice time and scoring opportunities with Tampa Bay, I'm sure that the Hawks would be willing to take him back for a second round pick and a prospect.

[hawkfaninpdx]

Upon some reflection, I think that the Hagel trade was a mistake and not just for what kind of return they got for him. The psychological aspect and the optics of this trade are not good. It's demoralizing for the team to see that someone who could've been a future lynchpin of the new Hawks is traded. Hagel was someone who exhibited amazing work ethic -- and he gets a one-way ticket out of town. I understand that it's business'n all and rebuild'n such -- but still. Say what you want, but I am willing to bet that players still become attached to the idea of being part of the core of a team. They have aspirations to raise the team to the next level, and this is not necessarily the best message to send. Kubalik, DeHaan, Carpy, Flower -- they are all fair game and they probably don't care that much.

[galaxytrash]

seen this and it got me wondering which blackhawk has drawn the most penalties? it's got to be kane, right?
without looking i assumed that most of the leagues dangerous players would be near the top but actually it's not entirely true. after mcdavid you have:

p.l. dubois jets 40 penalties drawn
bunting leafs 35
cirelli bolts 33
stutzle sens 33
mackinnon avs 31
kaprizov wild 31
kadri avs 29
garland canucks 29
b. tkachuk sens 29

the top blackhawk was of course brandon hagel...ranked 49th with 20 penalties drawn, which goes to show that you don't need blinding speed or amazing talent to draw penalties...just keep your feet moving. and hagel sure did that.

fyi...the only other blackhawk in the top 100 was d-cat with 19.

[galaxytrash]

Mar 20, 2022 8:08:57 GMT -6 steamer said:

Hagel with 10 minutes and one shot last night in loss to Rangers. Gonna be hard to get big minutes with Bolts.

just 12:39 tonight, but as deep as the bolts are it's still just a matter of time until he plays himself into more and more minutes. 

his first 2 games in chicago, he had 11:48 and 10:05, and we were a shitty team.   : )

[galaxytrash]

hagel scores his first for tampa, a shortie.

man, it almost hurts watching that...

edit: who am i kidding?  it does hurt.
anyways, i can't get the game and i can't find tampa's lines on twitter but he seems to be playing mainly with killorn and stamkos...at least every time i see the "players on the ice" graphic at nhl.com.