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Post by vadarx on Jul 5, 2021 16:29:20 GMT -6
That sounds like a lot of 'quantity' at forward and we have more than our share of warm bodies on D too.......let's hope for quality as well as quantity. We saw Connolly immediately inserted into the lineup after that trade and look for him to get minutes next year too,that trade looks like a train wreck if he ends up in the A so SB will want him up with the big squad regardless of his play. I really have no idea what the rest of the roster will look like and I'm not missing a moment's sleep over it...SB does what SB does. There are a LOT of younger players to properly assess though and a staff and FO with a poor track record of assessment so there's that. If JT does return,that'll give me another reason to stay engaged and I'm runnin' out of em. Gimmie a Kane/Toews/D-Cat line and I'm tuning in my friend but who knows what we'll get as far as line combos. You didn't list VH in your 17 forwards........he's better than half those guys IMO. I didn’t, simply because he’s a UFA. I doubt they bring him back. I fear the worst here. I fear scam and JC will go with a “balanced lineup” and Dcat will be back on the 3rd line. Soon you’re gonna see guys requesting trades. And not like Keith, that’s a personal reason. Dcat will want out soon to go play on an actual top line!!! I doubt he goes anywhere. they are prepping to pay him 8-9 million per on his next deal. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 5, 2021 16:34:35 GMT -6
That sounds like a lot of 'quantity' at forward and we have more than our share of warm bodies on D too.......let's hope for quality as well as quantity. We saw Connolly immediately inserted into the lineup after that trade and look for him to get minutes next year too,that trade looks like a train wreck if he ends up in the A so SB will want him up with the big squad regardless of his play. I really have no idea what the rest of the roster will look like and I'm not missing a moment's sleep over it...SB does what SB does. There are a LOT of younger players to properly assess though and a staff and FO with a poor track record of assessment so there's that. If JT does return,that'll give me another reason to stay engaged and I'm runnin' out of em. Gimmie a Kane/Toews/D-Cat line and I'm tuning in my friend but who knows what we'll get as far as line combos. You didn't list VH in your 17 forwards........he's better than half those guys IMO. I didn’t, simply because he’s a UFA. I doubt they bring him back. I fear the worst here. I fear scam and JC will go with a “balanced lineup” and Dcat will be back on the 3rd line. Soon you’re gonna see guys requesting trades. And not like Keith, that’s a personal reason. Dcat will want out soon to go play on an actual top line!!! IMO,VH is exactly the type of player young guys need to see out there,he produces some offense,leaves it all out there every shift and signs on the cheap.......come to think of it.....that's probably why they let him go but JC seemed to like him and his endless effort........the guy's twice the player that Nolander is. |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 5, 2021 16:39:03 GMT -6
I didn’t, simply because he’s a UFA. I doubt they bring him back. I fear the worst here. I fear scam and JC will go with a “balanced lineup” and Dcat will be back on the 3rd line. Soon you’re gonna see guys requesting trades. And not like Keith, that’s a personal reason. Dcat will want out soon to go play on an actual top line!!! I doubt he goes anywhere. they are prepping to pay him 8-9 million per on his next deal. I know D-Cat will still be a RFA when this deal is up but I wonder if he'll be arb or offer sheet eligible,either way.......he could be hard to re-sign if he doesn't like the direction of the team then or if he gets tired of watching the PO's on tv. |
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Post by tincup on Jul 5, 2021 17:34:55 GMT -6
Put on over the last weekend by parents showcasing their kids.
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Post by tincup on Jul 5, 2021 17:39:38 GMT -6
I've been waiting for someone to bring up Dach. I was going to mention him a while back, but got caught up talking about the first rounder. I've seen numerous mocks now with him being taken in the second by the 'hawks. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that is a sure bet that they will with one of their second rounders. here is a fair assessment of him, imo. thehockeywriters.com/colton-dach-2021-nhl-draft-profile/I feel like taking him @ 43 is too high. he is likely still available when we pick again @ 62. he sounds like the type of player we could use, but there are questions about his speed. he, like his brother, is better suited to be a wing but he won't be picked as high as Kirby so hopefully the pressure won't be there on the team that drafts him to try and make him a center. as the profile said, he is good at a lot of things but great at none, except maybe his shot. I like him and would be onboard with taking him later in the second. I will be a little upset if we pass over some other players @ 43 for him, though. edit: I won't be shocked if we see a trade up with Bowman sending the Vegas pick and a later round pick to a team a few spots above so they can take him. He’s ranked anywhere from 56-78. He got 20 points in 20 games as a 17 year old. And his GM said he expects him to be back and net 100+ points. Kirby didn’t get the chance to go back and dominate. It’s good for them. Any draft eligible kid that gets a point per game or better is usually a first rounder. I think if the season played out. He’d of been one too. I’d take him and develop better than we did his brother!!! Nobody probably made a bigger jump in CSS’s final rankings, 19th best N.A. skater, 3rd or 4th best in the WHL depending where they place Sillinger. He might be worth taking earlier than most thought. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 6, 2021 17:53:38 GMT -6
That sounds like a lot of 'quantity' at forward and we have more than our share of warm bodies on D too.......let's hope for quality as well as quantity. We saw Connolly immediately inserted into the lineup after that trade and look for him to get minutes next year too,that trade looks like a train wreck if he ends up in the A so SB will want him up with the big squad regardless of his play. I really have no idea what the rest of the roster will look like and I'm not missing a moment's sleep over it...SB does what SB does. There are a LOT of younger players to properly assess though and a staff and FO with a poor track record of assessment so there's that. If JT does return,that'll give me another reason to stay engaged and I'm runnin' out of em. Gimmie a Kane/Toews/D-Cat line and I'm tuning in my friend but who knows what we'll get as far as line combos. You didn't list VH in your 17 forwards........he's better than half those guys IMO. I didn’t, simply because he’s a UFA. I doubt they bring him back. I fear the worst here. I fear scam and JC will go with a “balanced lineup” and Dcat will be back on the 3rd line. Soon you’re gonna see guys requesting trades. And not like Keith, that’s a personal reason. Dcat will want out soon to go play on an actual top line!!! Bob and I went over this a couple months ago I think. With JT coming back that alone makes the lines 50% more stable. A true #1 center and he had chemistry with Kubby. I see the top 2 lines right now as being Kubby-Toews-Hagel/Kane 2nd line D-cat-Strome/Dach-Kane/Hagel The bottom 6 just use a blender. I would start Dach at 3C and if Strome fumbles the ball then move Dach up. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 6, 2021 19:48:29 GMT -6
I didn’t, simply because he’s a UFA. I doubt they bring him back. I fear the worst here. I fear scam and JC will go with a “balanced lineup” and Dcat will be back on the 3rd line. Soon you’re gonna see guys requesting trades. And not like Keith, that’s a personal reason. Dcat will want out soon to go play on an actual top line!!! Bob and I went over this a couple months ago I think. With JT coming back that alone makes the lines 50% more stable. A true #1 center and he had chemistry with Kubby. I see the top 2 lines right now as being Kubby-Toews-Hagel/Kane 2nd line D-cat-Strome/Dach-Kane/Hagel The bottom 6 just use a blender. I would start Dach at 3C and if Strome fumbles the ball then move Dach up. That’s not what this coach will do. Dcat will be on the 3rd line. And there’s nothing to be afraid of. I don’t have faith in just giving Toews the assignments. We need to break some new ground here too. Anyways. We’ll see what happens. I fear there’s a lot of trades coming. There has too be. Theres a ton of players here. Something has to give!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 6, 2021 19:57:47 GMT -6
Bob and I went over this a couple months ago I think. With JT coming back that alone makes the lines 50% more stable. A true #1 center and he had chemistry with Kubby. I see the top 2 lines right now as being Kubby-Toews-Hagel/Kane 2nd line D-cat-Strome/Dach-Kane/Hagel The bottom 6 just use a blender. I would start Dach at 3C and if Strome fumbles the ball then move Dach up. That’s not what this coach will do. Dcat will be on the 3rd line. And there’s nothing to be afraid of. I don’t have faith in just giving Toews the assignments. We need to break some new ground here too. Anyways. We’ll see what happens. I fear there’s a lot of trades coming. There has too be. Theres a ton of players here. Something has to give!!! D-cat deserved 3rd line time. He was pressing too hard all that season. He even said it himself. He was playing himself off the top six. His first 2 years he shot everything in site. 3rd year after he signed the extension he struggled. Last year he finally went back to shooting with confidence and not squeezing his stick to sawdust. Maybe he thought it was "easy" his first 2 years and then he got slapped with reality. Last season he worked a lot harder than before. And a guy his size has to work 2 times harder than a 6' 4" guy. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 6, 2021 20:59:58 GMT -6
That’s not what this coach will do. Dcat will be on the 3rd line. And there’s nothing to be afraid of. I don’t have faith in just giving Toews the assignments. We need to break some new ground here too. Anyways. We’ll see what happens. I fear there’s a lot of trades coming. There has too be. Theres a ton of players here. Something has to give!!! D-cat deserved 3rd line time. He was pressing too hard all that season. He even said it himself. He was playing himself off the top six. His first 2 years he shot everything in site. 3rd year after he signed the extension he struggled. Last year he finally went back to shooting with confidence and not squeezing his stick to sawdust. Maybe he thought it was "easy" his first 2 years and then he got slapped with reality. Last season he worked a lot harder than before. And a guy his size has to work 2 times harder than a 6' 4" guy. agree on D🐈. he was squeezing 'er good two years ago. that time demoted seemed to light a fire under him. he won’t be down there again. next year he and 88 are playing together, I'll bet money on it. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 6, 2021 22:55:35 GMT -6
That’s not what this coach will do. Dcat will be on the 3rd line. And there’s nothing to be afraid of. I don’t have faith in just giving Toews the assignments. We need to break some new ground here too. Anyways. We’ll see what happens. I fear there’s a lot of trades coming. There has too be. Theres a ton of players here. Something has to give!!! D-cat deserved 3rd line time. He was pressing too hard all that season. He even said it himself. He was playing himself off the top six. His first 2 years he shot everything in site. 3rd year after he signed the extension he struggled. Last year he finally went back to shooting with confidence and not squeezing his stick to sawdust. Maybe he thought it was "easy" his first 2 years and then he got slapped with reality. Last season he worked a lot harder than before. And a guy his size has to work 2 times harder than a 6' 4" guy. I don’t buy that. He was depressed from being relegated to the 3rd line for 2/3 of the year. He wasn’t even given proper pp time. What happens when Toews, Nylander, Borgstrom are all back or here? I find it hard to believe he’s gonna get proper time here. I doubt he’ll get proper minutes as he will fall victim the balanced lineup!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 7, 2021 0:17:52 GMT -6
so one poster says d-cat himself said he deserved his 3rd line time because his play was below his previous standards.
and another poster counters and says his play was below his previous standards because he was depressed from being demoted to the 3rd line.
in this day and age it should be pretty easy to find articles that prove who's right. : )
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Post by hsbob on Jul 7, 2021 5:37:10 GMT -6
That’s not what this coach will do. Dcat will be on the 3rd line. And there’s nothing to be afraid of. I don’t have faith in just giving Toews the assignments. We need to break some new ground here too. Anyways. We’ll see what happens. I fear there’s a lot of trades coming. There has too be. Theres a ton of players here. Something has to give!!! D-cat deserved 3rd line time. He was pressing too hard all that season. He even said it himself. He was playing himself off the top six. His first 2 years he shot everything in site. 3rd year after he signed the extension he struggled. Last year he finally went back to shooting with confidence and not squeezing his stick to sawdust. Maybe he thought it was "easy" his first 2 years and then he got slapped with reality. Last season he worked a lot harder than before. And a guy his size has to work 2 times harder than a 6' 4" guy. Nolander got his top six minutes.....how hard did he work? |
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Post by hsbob on Jul 7, 2021 5:37:58 GMT -6
D-cat deserved 3rd line time. He was pressing too hard all that season. He even said it himself. He was playing himself off the top six. His first 2 years he shot everything in site. 3rd year after he signed the extension he struggled. Last year he finally went back to shooting with confidence and not squeezing his stick to sawdust. Maybe he thought it was "easy" his first 2 years and then he got slapped with reality. Last season he worked a lot harder than before. And a guy his size has to work 2 times harder than a 6' 4" guy. agree on D🐈. he was squeezing 'er good two years ago. that time demoted seemed to light a fire under him. he won’t be down there again. next year he and 88 are playing together, I'll bet money on it. On the power play. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 9, 2021 1:17:54 GMT -6
the newest mock on the Athletic has the beat writers for each team making their team's pick...
Lazarus took Coronato. McTavish and Lucius were taken 6th and 10th. both goalies were still available at 11...
me thinks Laz might have consulted Powers before he made his pick. given what I've read lately, I have a hard time believing they take the local kid if both 5 star goalies are still available...
fwiw, the blows and oil ended up with Wallstedt and Cossa, respectively...
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Post by vadarx on Jul 9, 2021 2:01:33 GMT -6
side note on that mock.....
the 'canes writer took one Colton Dach with Carolina's first round pick... lol.
the comments section did not agree... pretty sure she just looked at central scouting's rankings and went from there...
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Post by vadarx on Jul 9, 2021 2:08:34 GMT -6
on another drafting note, they also did a write up of the best and worst drafting teams since 2005... the years for this article are 2005-2016
the Blackhawks have the most selections in that time frame (105), 9 more than anyone else. it doesn't go into yearly picks, but I ASSume that the majority were from prior to The Run.
despite leading in quantity, only 41 of those selections have played in the NHL, which ties them for the worst percentage of NHLers in said timeframe.
also want to add that this article left a bunch out from The Run, as Keith, Seabrook, Crow, Buff, Bolly, Bickell, and Brouwer were all taken before 2005...
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Post by vadarx on Jul 9, 2021 2:42:17 GMT -6
after more looking at profiles and film, I think I'll do cartwheels if Lucius or McTavish is there at 11.
I know the latter won't be, though. I'll be shocked if the wangs don't take him. he is exactly the type of guy every team wants in the first round if they don't have the top pick.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jul 9, 2021 9:01:48 GMT -6
after more looking at profiles and film, I think I'll do cartwheels if Lucius or McTavish is there at 11. I know the latter won't be, though. I'll be shocked if the wangs don't take him. he is exactly the type of guy every team wants in the first round if they don't have the top pick. That's why I'd trade up and use Boqvist as a trade chip, Detroit might do it to get the right handed Swede. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 9, 2021 13:24:11 GMT -6
I was talking to my Red Wings rep the other day……. For the 30th time. But he said that the Wings more than likely won’t take a goalie in this draft, as they’ve taken 3 in the last 3 years. And it appears Yzerman thinks he can get a steal at 6. He also said they’d like to get one of the Dmen there, as they’ve loaded up on forwards the last few drafts. So anything could happen. And I know the rep isn’t involved in high level meetings, but he hears things, and I’m sure stuff is leaked out so fans can feel closer to the action. So I’d be shocked if the wings took a goalie.
Im not 100% sold on the dman though. Although it does appear Edvinsson could be there. But I too can see the wings taking McTavish!!!
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Post by vadarx on Jul 9, 2021 14:36:01 GMT -6
after more looking at profiles and film, I think I'll do cartwheels if Lucius or McTavish is there at 11. I know the latter won't be, though. I'll be shocked if the wangs don't take him. he is exactly the type of guy every team wants in the first round if they don't have the top pick. That's why I'd trade up and use Boqvist as a trade chip, Detroit might do it to get the right handed Swede. I'd like it if that happened, but I don't think Yzerman would make that trade. |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 9, 2021 14:38:12 GMT -6
I was talking to my Red Wings rep the other day……. For the 30th time. But he said that the Wings more than likely won’t take a goalie in this draft, as they’ve taken 3 in the last 3 years. And it appears Yzerman thinks he can get a steal at 6. He also said they’d like to get one of the Dmen there, as they’ve loaded up on forwards the last few drafts. So anything could happen. And I know the rep isn’t involved in high level meetings, but he hears things, and I’m sure stuff is leaked out so fans can feel closer to the action. So I’d be shocked if the wings took a goalie. Im not 100% sold on the dman though. Although it does appear Edvinsson could be there. But I too can see the wings taking McTavish!!! I pretty much expect that the wangs will take McTavish or Eklund. I really hope Edvinsson is gone by 11 cuz I can see us taking him and I really don't want to take a chance on him. he sounds like another Zadorov. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 9, 2021 16:24:44 GMT -6
D-cat deserved 3rd line time. He was pressing too hard all that season. He even said it himself. He was playing himself off the top six. His first 2 years he shot everything in site. 3rd year after he signed the extension he struggled. Last year he finally went back to shooting with confidence and not squeezing his stick to sawdust. Maybe he thought it was "easy" his first 2 years and then he got slapped with reality. Last season he worked a lot harder than before. And a guy his size has to work 2 times harder than a 6' 4" guy. Nolander got his top six minutes.....how hard did he work? There is not enough like in the world for this post. It proves that the current management is more enamored with potential than with actual performance. |
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Post by BigT on Jul 9, 2021 17:01:49 GMT -6
Nolander got his top six minutes.....how hard did he work? There is not enough like in the world for this post. It proves that the current management is more enamored with potential than with actual performance. This also deserves a ton of love. They get totally boned up over a guy that has this supposed “unmatched talent”. And they push and push the kid through and then they fail. We also have to think about Dcats potential. Could he become a 50 goal guy? What about 60? To relegate him to 3rd line duties was pointless especially when others have gotten a pure pass. If it happens again, I would bet he doesn’t want to stay in Chicago. Gotta be careful how they treat people, especially if Scam gets pinched for those abuse crimes!!! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jul 9, 2021 17:20:22 GMT -6
I doubt he goes anywhere. they are prepping to pay him 8-9 million per on his next deal. I know D-Cat will still be a RFA when this deal is up but I wonder if he'll be arb or offer sheet eligible,either way.......he could be hard to re-sign if he doesn't like the direction of the team then or if he gets tired of watching the PO's on tv. If I were DCat, or any other Hawk with talent, including Kane and Toews, I would abandon ship asap. Why waste one's career hanging around with a losing team that has no chance of ever being relevant in the next decade? As you say, most athletes don't want the majority of their playoff experience gained from the TV. On the other hand, one redeeming feature of being on a losing team is that one never has the pressure of being expected to win. Losses can be meaningless on such a team and one never needs to win. Just make some coin and lose and never have to play the extra games in the playoffs. Constant losing can breed that sort of culture. There can't be one player on the current Hawk roster who can rationally expect to have a winning playoff-bound record. |
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Post by Tater on Jul 10, 2021 0:14:22 GMT -6
Nolander got his top six minutes.....how hard did he work? There is not enough like in the world for this post. It proves that the current management is more enamored with potential than with actual performance. Another example is Sikura. He never should have sniffed the first line. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 10, 2021 21:04:10 GMT -6
There is not enough like in the world for this post. It proves that the current management is more enamored with potential than with actual performance. This also deserves a ton of love. They get totally boned up over a guy that has this supposed “unmatched talent”. And they push and push the kid through and then they fail. We also have to think about Dcats potential. Could he become a 50 goal guy? What about 60? To relegate him to 3rd line duties was pointless especially when others have gotten a pure pass. If it happens again, I would bet he doesn’t want to stay in Chicago. Gotta be careful how they treat people, especially if Scam gets pinched for those abuse crimes!!! ...as others have said, I didn't mind too much when Debrincat got demoted if only for implying that the results are the alpha and omega. However, He should have gotten 1st dibbs back when the others invariable failed, and that didn't happen. That--the fact that he was demoted and other guys who had absolutely done nothing to prove anything got a shot over him? That was inexcusable. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jul 10, 2021 21:08:30 GMT -6
I know D-Cat will still be a RFA when this deal is up but I wonder if he'll be arb or offer sheet eligible,either way.......he could be hard to re-sign if he doesn't like the direction of the team then or if he gets tired of watching the PO's on tv. If I were DCat, or any other Hawk with talent, including Kane and Toews, I would abandon ship asap. Why waste one's career hanging around with a losing team that has no chance of ever being relevant in the next decade? As you say, most athletes don't want the majority of their playoff experience gained from the TV. On the other hand, one redeeming feature of being on a losing team is that one never has the pressure of being expected to win. Losses can be meaningless on such a team and one never needs to win. Just make some coin and lose and never have to play the extra games in the playoffs. Constant losing can breed that sort of culture. There can't be one player on the current Hawk roster who can rationally expect to have a winning playoff-bound record. Try this on for size: What if some of the guys are playing for the logo on the front, and knowing that the logo doesn't represent our resident beancounter, want to stay block 21M+ of the cap, and muck up any hope of him being able to put in a good rebuild. I can't speak for them of course and have no clue what's going on in their heads, but I can say for myself I'm the kind of rat bastard who, if screwed by someone at my work above me on the hierarchy, and was given the chance to torpedo them by conforming with the letter of the law, would do so. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jul 14, 2021 16:22:47 GMT -6
Will this be us during the draft whenever SB walks to the stage?  |
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Post by BigT on Jul 14, 2021 16:34:27 GMT -6
Will this be us during the draft whenever SB walks to the stage? That’s just Hawks fans in general these days. Wait till the epic collapse next year. I can see them starting out hot, the muthaf****** kool aid will be a flowin, then when the games start to really count. They fall apart like a Chinese motorcycle!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jul 14, 2021 17:07:07 GMT -6
Will this be us during the draft whenever SB walks to the stage? while I believe the draft will be remote again this year, perhaps they can just turn off the mic while he talks and play Ludwig van over the video... |
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