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Post by vadarx on May 17, 2021 1:44:59 GMT -6
figured now was as good a time as any to start a draft thread.
where will the 'hawks pick?
who will the 'hawks pick?
and all that jazz.
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Post by vadarx on May 17, 2021 1:47:39 GMT -6
also: again, go Calgary.
anyone know who "wins" the tiebreaker if they tie? I assume the 'hawks will move up due to the Flames having more ROW.
Calgary won tonight, so the 'hawks now have only 2 more points than them with the Flames having 2 more games to play...
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Post by Tater on May 17, 2021 1:59:03 GMT -6
also: again, go Calgary. anyone know who "wins" the tiebreaker if they tie? I assume the 'hawks will move up due to the Flames having more ROW. Calgary won tonight, so the 'hawks now have only 2 more points than them with the Flames having 2 more games to play... Good question. I think ROW decides it. |
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Post by irmaks on May 17, 2021 6:37:03 GMT -6
also: again, go Calgary. anyone know who "wins" the tiebreaker if they tie? I assume the 'hawks will move up due to the Flames having more ROW. Calgary won tonight, so the 'hawks now have only 2 more points than them with the Flames having 2 more games to play... Hopefully Flames don't read that thread 🙂 |
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2021 6:54:03 GMT -6
also: again, go Calgary. anyone know who "wins" the tiebreaker if they tie? I assume the 'hawks will move up due to the Flames having more ROW. Calgary won tonight, so the 'hawks now have only 2 more points than them with the Flames having 2 more games to play... The Avs and VGK were tied with 82 points. The Avs won the division and had 39 wins and the VGK had 40 wins. So I think it goes by season series in the event of a tie!!! |
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Post by acesandeights on May 17, 2021 8:07:21 GMT -6
This was from The Draft Analyst; the article was dated today, the 17th. www.thedraftanalyst.com/2021-nhl-draft/2021-nhl-draft-updated-draft-order/"Tiebreakers (if two or more teams have the same number of points once the regular season is complete)" 1. Points percentage (if a disparity in games played) 2. Regulation wins (RW) 3. Regulation or 3-on-3 OT wins (ROW) 4. Total wins (includes shootouts) 5. Head-to-head points 6. Regular-season goal differential (all games) 7. Goals scored (GF) over full season |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 17, 2021 8:49:03 GMT -6
also: again, go Calgary. anyone know who "wins" the tiebreaker if they tie? I assume the 'hawks will move up due to the Flames having more ROW. Calgary won tonight, so the 'hawks now have only 2 more points than them with the Flames having 2 more games to play... The Avs and VGK were tied with 82 points. The Avs won the division and had 39 wins and the VGK had 40 wins. So I think it goes by season series in the event of a tie!!! But the Hawks and Flames never had a season series so it's win percentage then regulation wins. |
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Post by tincup on May 17, 2021 11:08:17 GMT -6
All I know is I want decent talent with a high motor. Big skill, low energy doesn’t cut it for me anymore. Picking around the Hawks likely spot, if Mason Mctavish is still around, he’s my guy. He was a good prospect to start and his under-18’s only solidified his potential.
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2021 11:44:55 GMT -6
The Avs and VGK were tied with 82 points. The Avs won the division and had 39 wins and the VGK had 40 wins. So I think it goes by season series in the event of a tie!!! But the Hawks and Flames never had a season series so it's win percentage then regulation wins. I think in this case you’re absolutely right. If they end up with same amount of wins, they look at who had more losses. If they have exact identical records. Then it goes by goals for. If that’s a tie, goes by goals against. If that’s a tie, I don’t even know how that would be possible. Or what to do after besides Rock, Paper, Scissors!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 17, 2021 13:33:27 GMT -6
Who's the highest ranked 160lb Euro......pencil him in!
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Post by vadarx on May 17, 2021 14:36:00 GMT -6
All I know is I want decent talent with a high motor. Big skill, low energy doesn’t cut it for me anymore. Picking around the Hawks likely spot, if Mason Mctavish is still around, he’s my guy. He was a good prospect to start and his under-18’s only solidified his potential. that is a name I've seen in a few mocks going to the 'hawks, actually. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 17, 2021 15:30:16 GMT -6
Who's the highest ranked 160lb Euro......pencil him in! When they announced Reichel last draft I was pretty choked, yes he's 6' but 170 🙄, but it was awesome hearing him say he was in the mid 180's when interviewed before the season started. Plus his brother is 6'3" 200lbs 👍. But yeah, no tiny euros, or north Americans. And Stan has drafted bigger guys recently, especially the Dach draft, the average height for the Hawks picks were 6'3" that year. |
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Post by hsbob on May 17, 2021 16:35:45 GMT -6
Who's the highest ranked 160lb Euro......pencil him in! When they announced Reichel last draft I was pretty choked, yes he's 6' but 170 🙄, but it was awesome hearing him say he was in the mid 180's when interviewed before the season started. Plus his brother is 6'3" 200lbs 👍. But yeah, no tiny euros, or north Americans. And Stan has drafted bigger guys recently, especially the Dach draft, the average height for the Hawks picks were 6'3" that year. I do see more height to tell you the truth and I like that for reach as much as anything but even these kids seem to be barely 200lbs without a mean bone in there bodies. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 19, 2021 17:02:28 GMT -6
"so you're saying there's a chance..."
this year's draft will be virtual, same as last year's. the nhl lottery will be held on june 2nd and the draft july 23rd and 24th.
edit: another article says it's a 2.7% chance instead of 2.5%. slim either way.
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Post by BigT on May 19, 2021 20:16:34 GMT -6
I don’t know the lotto rules that great. I’m not sure how much the Hawks can move up. I think they’ll be picking somewhere around 9-12.
Although it’s hard to tell this year. After watching the under 18s. Kids I noticed a lot that are draft eligible are mostly from Canada due to their performance. Nikita Chibrikov was good for Russia. Simon Edvinsson for Sweden was good and a 6’4” 200 dman. Aatu Raty for Finland is another good high skilled guy.
But on Canadathey had some guys that looked real good. Brandt Clarke is a 6’2” 190 dman. And has good offensive skills plus toughness. Reminded of a Doughty type player. Brennan Othman seemed like a good rugged winger with some good offensive upside (probably a 2nd round pick though). Corson Cuelemans seems like a solid defender, 6’2” 195. Mason McTavish seems like a winner and a heart and soul guy. He’s 6’ 200. This guy reminds of Mike Richards. He seems like a born leader and will be a great pro. It wouldn’t bother me to move down and get an extra pick to take him. He’s ranked anywhere from 14-18. Currently at 16.
I think any team, especially the Hawks could use a bigger more solid framed heart and sole guy. Enough of Scam Bowman’s style of skill. You can have skill, but you gotta be able to play hockey at some point!!!
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Post by vadarx on May 19, 2021 21:39:09 GMT -6
I don’t know the lotto rules that great. I’m not sure how much the Hawks can move up. I think they’ll be picking somewhere around 9-12. Although it’s hard to tell this year. After watching the under 18s. Kids I noticed a lot that are draft eligible are mostly from Canada due to their performance. Nikita Chibrikov was good for Russia. Simon Edvinsson for Sweden was good and a 6’4” 200 dman. Aatu Raty for Finland is another good high skilled guy. But on Canadathey had some guys that looked real good. Brandt Clarke is a 6’2” 190 dman. And has good offensive skills plus toughness. Reminded of a Doughty type player. Brennan Othman seemed like a good rugged winger with some good offensive upside (probably a 2nd round pick though). Corson Cuelemans seems like a solid defender, 6’2” 195. Mason McTavish seems like a winner and a heart and soul guy. He’s 6’ 200. This guy reminds of Mike Richards. He seems like a born leader and will be a great pro. It wouldn’t bother me to move down and get an extra pick to take him. He’s ranked anywhere from 14-18. Currently at 16. I think any team, especially the Hawks could use a bigger more solid framed heart and sole guy. Enough of Scam Bowman’s style of skill. You can have skill, but you gotta be able to play hockey at some point!!! basically we pick 11th unless we win the 1st or 2nd picks OR someone lower than us in the standings wins the lotto. hopefully the latter doesn't happen... |
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Post by acesandeights on May 20, 2021 9:10:38 GMT -6
Where is the drop off in the first round this year? From what I've read, I've generally seen Power going first and then about the same 4-6 players after that in various orders. I wasn't sure if it dropped off in the 5-8 vicinity or not. Here's what I don't want to hear: it looks like the drop off will come one pick before the Hawks turn.  |
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Post by BigT on May 20, 2021 16:20:04 GMT -6
Where is the drop off in the first round this year? From what I've read, I've generally seen Power going first and then about the same 4-6 players after that in various orders. I wasn't sure if it dropped off in the 5-8 vicinity or not. Here's what I don't want to hear: it looks like the drop off will come one pick before the Hawks turn. It’s really hard to say. No one knows much. But the under 18s helped scouts a bit. And the Hlinka/Gretzky tourney should decide more if it’s held before the August draft. I’m not sure how all this is going to work this year. But it’s not considered a strong draft. Next year and the 2023 draft especially are going to be much deeper. I read many scouts take on Power. Most said that the only thing he has in common with Victor Hedman is his size. And he’s half as good as Hedman is a win. So if the first overall will only get you a big dman that’s about a 30-40 point guy at best. Might wanna trade that pick. So I’d take a player that can bring more than just scoring. Like a good PK guy or a heart and soul guy. Mason McTavish comes to mind. He will be like a bigger Shaw. Not a huge scorer, but he’s the grinder you need!!! |
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Post by acesandeights on May 20, 2021 17:24:11 GMT -6
Where is the drop off in the first round this year? From what I've read, I've generally seen Power going first and then about the same 4-6 players after that in various orders. I wasn't sure if it dropped off in the 5-8 vicinity or not. Here's what I don't want to hear: it looks like the drop off will come one pick before the Hawks turn. It’s really hard to say. No one knows much. But the under 18s helped scouts a bit. And the Hlinka/Gretzky tourney should decide more if it’s held before the August draft. I’m not sure how all this is going to work this year. But it’s not considered a strong draft. Next year and the 2023 draft especially are going to be much deeper. I read many scouts take on Power. Most said that the only thing he has in common with Victor Hedman is his size. And he’s half as good as Hedman is a win. So if the first overall will only get you a big dman that’s about a 30-40 point guy at best. Might wanna trade that pick. So I’d take a player that can bring more than just scoring. Like a good PK guy or a heart and soul guy. Mason McTavish comes to mind. He will be like a bigger Shaw. Not a huge scorer, but he’s the grinder you need!!! Thanks BigT. I've seen four mock drafts and they all had McTavish going in the 11-14 range. One updated mock had the Hawks taking him at 11. |
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Post by BigT on May 20, 2021 17:39:46 GMT -6
It’s really hard to say. No one knows much. But the under 18s helped scouts a bit. And the Hlinka/Gretzky tourney should decide more if it’s held before the August draft. I’m not sure how all this is going to work this year. But it’s not considered a strong draft. Next year and the 2023 draft especially are going to be much deeper. I read many scouts take on Power. Most said that the only thing he has in common with Victor Hedman is his size. And he’s half as good as Hedman is a win. So if the first overall will only get you a big dman that’s about a 30-40 point guy at best. Might wanna trade that pick. So I’d take a player that can bring more than just scoring. Like a good PK guy or a heart and soul guy. Mason McTavish comes to mind. He will be like a bigger Shaw. Not a huge scorer, but he’s the grinder you need!!! Thanks BigT. I've seen four mock drafts and they all had McTavish going in the 11-14 range. One updated mock had the Hawks taking him at 11. [ I’ve seen him play for Peterborough Petes. He was very young and I don’t recall noticing much from him. But that was well over a year ago. And he looked unbelievable at the under 18s. He seems like a big game player. He seems like Mike Richards type player. He hits to hurt, and he plays to win. Now if he could only play without his pail on, and look like the other MacTavish! Different spelling I know. But the kid seems horny for some physicality. He’d be my bet there. We need a solid tough as F*** Irishman!!! |
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Post by vadarx on May 27, 2021 18:26:54 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on May 27, 2021 18:39:47 GMT -6
Depends if the Hawks draft for need or just for bodies. |
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Post by BigT on May 27, 2021 18:47:38 GMT -6
I know. A lot of people have him ranked anywhere from 14-16. I don’t see him lasting that long. He seems like a Mike Richards type to me. I doubt he will be the high elite level guy, but I still feel his peak could be 50+ points and be a solid heart and soul guy, you grab him. He should be our target. Just like we talked a couple of years ago about Dobson, and or Wahlstrom. Both look like they’ll be very good NHL players, we got Boqvist. I was clamouring for Byram, he’s a future #1 dman. He’s looked very good in limited time on a Cup contender. He’ll be great. We got Dach. Although I haven’t given up on him. It’s not looking too promising for him to become that highly coveted #1 Center. I don’t doubt he’s an NHL player. But his ceiling doesn’t look too high at the moment. Again, no giving up on him. He needs to put up 50 points minimum next year to look like he’s well on his way. If he gets 38 points or something small like that. The bust tag will be coming out soon. So my point? Once again. This is a tough year to judge talent. But when we’ve talked in the past, we haven’t been wrong. And I will bet again we’re not wrong with McTavish. I doubt the Hawks take him. But if they did, it’d be a step in the right direction. I do follow a shit ton of JR hockey. My buddy next door is an OHL scout. We talk of a lot of kids and who’s up and coming. So I get a good eye who to keep an eye on. I also talk to pro scouts at Spits games. So when 10 out of 10 scouts say Byram, or McTavish. You listen!!! |
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Post by tincup on May 27, 2021 21:26:03 GMT -6
I know. A lot of people have him ranked anywhere from 14-16. I don’t see him lasting that long. He seems like a Mike Richards type to me. I doubt he will be the high elite level guy, but I still feel his peak could be 50+ points and be a solid heart and soul guy, you grab him. He should be our target. Just like we talked a couple of years ago about Dobson, and or Wahlstrom. Both look like they’ll be very good NHL players, we got Boqvist. I was clamouring for Byram, he’s a future #1 dman. He’s looked very good in limited time on a Cup contender. He’ll be great. We got Dach. Although I haven’t given up on him. It’s not looking too promising for him to become that highly coveted #1 Center. I don’t doubt he’s an NHL player. But his ceiling doesn’t look too high at the moment. Again, no giving up on him. He needs to put up 50 points minimum next year to look like he’s well on his way. If he gets 38 points or something small like that. The bust tag will be coming out soon. So my point? Once again. This is a tough year to judge talent. But when we’ve talked in the past, we haven’t been wrong. And I will bet again we’re not wrong with McTavish. I doubt the Hawks take him. But if they did, it’d be a step in the right direction. I do follow a shit ton of JR hockey. My buddy next door is an OHL scout. We talk of a lot of kids and who’s up and coming. So I get a good eye who to keep an eye on. I also talk to pro scouts at Spits games. So when 10 out of 10 scouts say Byram, or McTavish. You listen!!! I liked McTavish as well but the NHL central scouting now has him at #2 N.A. skater, so there’s no way he falls to Chicago. There are a couple of interesting high motor guys that will be in the Hawks range. Since Covid arrived it’s forced some of these guys to play out of their league, so to speak, and it’s very hard for anyone to get a handle on this draft. Cole Sillinger, better than a PPG as a rookie with Medicine Hat last year went the USHL route where he had a very successful year. One USHL coach (not his) even went as far to say he was the best forward in the league. Or Francesco Pinelli, who ended up in the Slovenian league of all places, had a real nice Under-18’s. Seems to have all the tools and I thought might be ranked higher. Both these guys are 6 footers who will play close to 200 lbs in a couple of years. This seems the type of year when a lot of players will go higher than they should or vice versa. |
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Post by vadarx on May 27, 2021 21:52:53 GMT -6
I know. A lot of people have him ranked anywhere from 14-16. I don’t see him lasting that long. He seems like a Mike Richards type to me. I doubt he will be the high elite level guy, but I still feel his peak could be 50+ points and be a solid heart and soul guy, you grab him. He should be our target. Just like we talked a couple of years ago about Dobson, and or Wahlstrom. Both look like they’ll be very good NHL players, we got Boqvist. I was clamouring for Byram, he’s a future #1 dman. He’s looked very good in limited time on a Cup contender. He’ll be great. We got Dach. Although I haven’t given up on him. It’s not looking too promising for him to become that highly coveted #1 Center. I don’t doubt he’s an NHL player. But his ceiling doesn’t look too high at the moment. Again, no giving up on him. He needs to put up 50 points minimum next year to look like he’s well on his way. If he gets 38 points or something small like that. The bust tag will be coming out soon. So my point? Once again. This is a tough year to judge talent. But when we’ve talked in the past, we haven’t been wrong. And I will bet again we’re not wrong with McTavish. I doubt the Hawks take him. But if they did, it’d be a step in the right direction. I do follow a shit ton of JR hockey. My buddy next door is an OHL scout. We talk of a lot of kids and who’s up and coming. So I get a good eye who to keep an eye on. I also talk to pro scouts at Spits games. So when 10 out of 10 scouts say Byram, or McTavish. You listen!!! I liked McTavish as well but the NHL central scouting now has him at #2 N.A. skater, so there’s no way he falls to Chicago. There are a couple of interesting high motor guys that will be in the Hawks range. Since Covid arrived it’s forced some of these guys to play out of their league, so to speak, and it’s very hard for anyone to get a handle on this draft. Cole Sillinger, better than a PPG as a rookie with Medicine Hat last year went the USHL route where he had a very successful year. One USHL coach (not his) even went as far to say he was the best forward in the league. Or Francesco Pinelli, who ended up in the Slovenian league of all places, had a real nice Under-18’s. Seems to have all the tools and I thought might be ranked higher. Both these guys are 6 footers who will play close to 200 lbs in a couple of years. This seems the type of year when a lot of players will go higher than they should or vice versa. Sillinger is another name I've seen going to the 'hawks in mocks. add in the fact that he played in the USHL and I could definitely see him being the pick. I dunno about McTavish, when you add in the international guys, he could drop down to 11th, imo. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 27, 2021 22:03:34 GMT -6
I liked McTavish as well but the NHL central scouting now has him at #2 N.A. skater, so there’s no way he falls to Chicago. There are a couple of interesting high motor guys that will be in the Hawks range. Since Covid arrived it’s forced some of these guys to play out of their league, so to speak, and it’s very hard for anyone to get a handle on this draft. Cole Sillinger, better than a PPG as a rookie with Medicine Hat last year went the USHL route where he had a very successful year. One USHL coach (not his) even went as far to say he was the best forward in the league. Or Francesco Pinelli, who ended up in the Slovenian league of all places, had a real nice Under-18’s. Seems to have all the tools and I thought might be ranked higher. Both these guys are 6 footers who will play close to 200 lbs in a couple of years. This seems the type of year when a lot of players will go higher than they should or vice versa. Sillinger is another name I've seen going to the 'hawks in mocks. add in the fact that he played in the USHL and I could definitelysee him being the pick. i'd pencil this guy in for next year. with a name like thor byfuglien...i expected a behemoth. i was more than a little disappointed to see him listed as 5'9" and 146 pounds. : ( www.eliteprospects.com/player/616231/thor-byfuglien |
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Post by vadarx on May 27, 2021 22:22:02 GMT -6
Sillinger is another name I've seen going to the 'hawks in mocks. add in the fact that he played in the USHL and I could definitelysee him being the pick. i'd pencil this guy in for next year. with a name like thor byfuglien...i expected a behemoth. i was more than a little disappointed to see him listed as 5'9" and 146 pounds. : ( www.eliteprospects.com/player/616231/thor-byfuglienha! he is like the anti-Buff..... |
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Post by Tater on May 28, 2021 0:08:36 GMT -6
ha! he is like the anti-Buff..... And he's almost 18. Not much time left to gain size.
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Post by BigT on May 28, 2021 7:33:50 GMT -6
Another name to keep an eye on is Finnish F Aatu Raty. He made Finland’s WJC roster as a 16 year old. He was considered this years slam dunk first overall for a while. Kid has skill and decent size. I find it tough to think the kid just sucks now. Probably didn’t work as hard during the off season cuz things were always easy for him. I’d bet he has a much better year next year and he could be that Pastrnak type player taken around 20!!!
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Post by tincup on May 28, 2021 9:21:29 GMT -6
Another name to keep an eye on is Finnish F Aatu Raty. He made Finland’s WJC roster as a 16 year old. He was considered this years slam dunk first overall for a while. Kid has skill and decent size. I find it tough to think the kid just sucks now. Probably didn’t work as hard during the off season cuz things were always easy for him. I’d bet he has a much better year next year and he could be that Pastrnak type player taken around 20!!! But he didn’t make it this year. I’m leery about kids who fall fast. Talented, no doubt, but what’s the attitude? Told he was the best since he was 9 years old, got a big head? Maybe he was just over rated to start. That’s the kind of stuff the teams have to pick up in interviews. I just know I want players who are self motivated with decent talent. No more talented but lazy players who need to be massaged all the time. Especially in the lower rounds where the Hawks will be picking players whose upside is bottom six/lower pairings. A lot of people believe in bloodlines and to a degree I do as well, especially when it comes to work ethic. That’s kind of why I like Sillinger. All the grit and effort his old man had with maybe a little more talent. A kid like Josh Doan, Shane’s kid playing for the local Steel, has all those attributes you’d look for in a bottom six guy, he’d make a nice 3rd round pick. |
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