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Post by hsbob on Jun 7, 2021 12:24:00 GMT -6
A weird draft due to circumstances but you have to hope the scouts are on top of this. So many mock drafts have players scattered everywhere. Maybe this is that kind of draft where there’s a nugget of gold buried deep, but I’m not sure the Hawk staff know how to mine that anyways. Like you say, and I’ll quote you, “the right attitude and TALENT”, that’s what I want as well. I want Hagel tenacity in a more talented package, I want self motivation and not pouters and whiners. There’s bound to be a couple of unexpected picks before Chicago’s, maybe we’ll get better than hoped for. Don't give me the credit for "right attitude and talent", I was quoting you from a prior post of yours. It is pretty amazing what Vegas has done with castoffs, picks, free agent signings and trades. Like 'em, or not, they are a high-powered team that last year showed the Hawks how it can be done and would have done the same this year, if given the chance. They might lose the series, but what they are doing with the Avs in this series, is pretty amazing. Gotta give 'em credit!!!! Two real good drafts,win a few trades for a change and don't spend 20+ million bucks like a drunken F'n sailor and things could turn around much quicker than many think BUT good luck with any of that! I dunno about the rebuild stuff but FEW teams come back with two forwards to rival Kane and D-Cat and Kubalik looks to be at least a 25 goal guy himself. If JT comes back healthy and rested,these four alone are more offensive talent than a 1/3 of the teams in the league have. The problem is,almost the opposite can be said for the defense unless a few kids break through. Vegas got a break just like Seattle will by being the only team in an expansion draft and a guaranteed 3rd or better to kick things off BUT it's hard to imagine that makes up for not having a major or minor league roster to start a season. It'll be interesting to see if Seattle has the same success and fan support that Vegas has. Major kudos to the Wild too,they have two of their own overpaid dinosaurs but that didn't stop them from having a bang up season(on track for 110 with a full schedule)and gave Vegas all they wanted in a tough 1st round draw. Maybe the Wild ain't cup winners but I ain't heard em cryin' any rebuild crap either. I'm not saying any of this is easy but I'm not sure it's as hard as it's made out to be either..... Teams like the Canes and Isle are nothing more than well built and well coached......do either dress one the league's top 10 players? Top 20? The 'Identity line'.....well FUK me.....who needs guys like that in the playoffs? The Panthers are another team well built and well coached but they might have a top 20 player....maybe two,they were also 4 game over two years ago when Q took over but they were on a 116 point pace themselves this year with the toughest 1st round draw a team has seen in ages. Like I said,I dunno know where things are goin' but I'll bet $$$ that the Hawks are five games either way of .500 next year......again. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 7, 2021 15:27:26 GMT -6
I just looked at a lists of Hawk draft picks going back to the 60s. What was most amazing to me was the number of draft picks who have never played even one game in the NHL. They comprised the majority of the picks. It shows that at least with the Hawks, they :"can't rely on finding gems with every pick". In fact, they can rely on getting lumps of coal with most picks. Getting the Cat in the 2d round was sure a winner as was getting Hjarlmsson (the Hammer) in the 4th round. Obviously, getting Kane and Toews with successive first round picks might have been the best successive first round picks in NHL history. I am too lazy to find out if that is true, but some of you internet geniuses might be curious enough to see if that is true, or not. Ii hope you are, as I would like to see what two successive first round picks turned out better than Toews and Kane. I did make the effort to see how the Oilers did with their draft picks back in the golden years and found this below. Of course Gretzky had already been acquired by Edmonton via trade with the Indy Racers ( no wonder the idiots aren't still around) before the WHA got folded into the NHL. 1979 1 21 Kevin Lowe Canada D Quebec Remparts (QMJHL) 1254 84 348 432 1498 — — — — — 1979 3 48 Mark Messier Canada LW/C Cincinnati Stingers (WHA) 1756 694 1193 1887 1910 — — — — — 1979 4 69 Glenn Anderson Canada RW University of Denver (WCHA) 1129 498 601 1099 1120 — — — — — 1979 4 84 Max Kostovich Canada LW Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) — — — — — — — — — — 1979 5 105 Mike Toal Canada C Portland Winter Hawks (WHL) 3 0 0 0 0 — — — — — 1979 6 126 Blair Barnes Canada RW Windsor Spitfires (OMJHL) 1 0 0 0 0 — — — — — 1980 1 6 Paul Coffey Canada D Kitchener Rangers (OMJHL) 1409 396 1135 1531 1800 — — — — — 1980 3 48 Shawn Babcock Canada RW Windsor Spitfires (OMJHL) — — — — — — — — — — 1980 4 69 Jari Kurri Finland RW Jokerit (SM-liiga) 1251 601 797 1398 545 The numbers right after the years are the rounds in which the players were chosen and which pick they were. While the other numbers shows games, goals, assists etc. In two years, they got Lowe, Messier, Anderson, Coffey and Kurri. Messier was the 48th pick of his draft (who says you gotta pick in the first round) and note that Kurri was a 4th round pick. No wonder they were so damn good. The ‘79 draft was a ground breaking one due to the league merger,( I’ll link a nice story below), lots of underagers because the WHA had tried to undermine the NHL on prospects, lots of side deals made, Gretzky on a personal service contract,etc. and as you’ll see, not a ton of Euros or even Americans selected. I’ll give the WHA credit for opening up the N.A. game to the players of the world, I don’t believe that very many NHL teams would have been heavily scouting Europe at the time, therefore some pretty good players were drafted deep. www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1979/79facts.htmlInteresting how you brought up the Blackhawks drafts, it’s always been the case that very few prospects get good careers out of hockey, but the Hawks history of first rounders outside of the obvious picks of Toews (lucky he fell to third) and the luck of winning the Kane lotto, leaves a lot to be desired. Second round and beyond not much different. You develop a fourth round guy to be a valuable player, more luck sometimes than insight I think. Some of the Blackhawk scouts and management with long time connections to the draft should be under the eye as well, but like any big corporation these guys bury in like ticks. Good article as it explains why the 79 draft was so good to the Oilers. However, look what they plucked out of the 80 draft----Coffey and Kurri. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 7, 2021 15:28:49 GMT -6
One thing to keep in mind, I think everyone is getting caught up on getting all these high end scorers or the most talented. That usually ends up in a lot of misses or not getting what you need. Cant always take “the most talented”. I know this is a different draft. There is always a possibility someone that should go 2nd or 3rd could fall due to no exposure. However, I think the Hawks need to shift gears and start looking for guys to fill different roles. It seems like the org is always looking for a high end puck moving dman in the draft. Then we see Kalynuk come in and look as offensively gifted as any of them. He’s a 7th round pick from Philly who took the long way due to no one wanting him. Can you rely on Kalynuk’s coming out every year? No. Just like you can’t rely on finding gems with every pick. It’s time to start picking guys like a Bolland. Yes he was a big end scorer in Jrs, but through his interviews and his development, he knew he probably wouldn’t be the high end scorer and he was told his last year in Jrs to go out and be a pest. He did. You can draft and develop guys like this. Same with Buff. Ladd, etc. We need role players so the top end guys like Kane, Dcat, Toews, Kubalik can do their thing. We need to start drafting NHL players and more role players that can easily make the transition and make the Hawks tougher to play against. If Mason McTavish is there, and he’s passed on. The problem lies very very deep. Cannot keep taking skill guys with no heart. Cannot have a team full of no skill and all heart players either. Need a good mix. McTavish should be the target!!! I'd partially disagree on this. Right now the 'hawks only have 2 guaranteed high-end talent players: Kane and Debrincat, and Kane is on the wrong side of 30. If they can get their hooks into a guy with heart and talent, then they absolutely have pick them up simply because what's left of the core is definitely not getting any younger. The rest are not guaranteed (Toews) or qualify for Social Security (Keith). To that end: That means we have Debrincat who's in his prime as a top-end finisher and Kane who's an aging but still great fall-around scorer. We don't have a defensively-responsible puck-moving D-man, and right now Boqvist may not be it ever. We don't have a defensive stud like Hjammer. Murph doesn't come close. We don't have a big bodied d-man. No one in the 'hawks system is remotely close to being whjat Seabrook was. We don't have a top-end center waiting in the wings. Dach may be more Bolland and less Toews. We don't have a 2nd line center waiting in the wings. Strome is maybe a Kruger without being as-good defensively and poorer at the dot. We don't have a 3-zone player waiting in the wings. Debrincat has some promise but he's no Hossa. I think the drafting problem is flipped around. The 'hawks have been getting guys who supposedly have this ephemeral "talent", but lack the heart to bring it to bear (Sikura, Nylander, Strome, Zadorov, etc.). While they have one young guy with heart (Hagel), he's somewhat lacking talent-wise, and is a prototypical 4th-line player. Ideally the 'hawks need both heart and talent. That being said, if by slot 11 there's no talent+heart guys left, maybe we should go for the guy with heart that can be a role player as opposed to another prima donna. But, if they find a guy with talent and heart at 11, I think they have to go with that over some guys who's a role player. Once Toews, Kane, and Keith's deals are up Debrincat is the only guy left who has any hallmarks of being a driving force in Chicago. We might have some time on Kane if he stays but down the road things are bleak in terms of top-end talent. Now is where the 'hawks need to be looking for that level of talent if it falls to them. But again, give the prima donna "talent but without the heart to bring it to bear" guys a miss. Granted, I do not trust Stan to do so. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 7, 2021 15:31:11 GMT -6
Don't give me the credit for "right attitude and talent", I was quoting you from a prior post of yours. It is pretty amazing what Vegas has done with castoffs, picks, free agent signings and trades. Like 'em, or not, they are a high-powered team that last year showed the Hawks how it can be done and would have done the same this year, if given the chance. They might lose the series, but what they are doing with the Avs in this series, is pretty amazing. Gotta give 'em credit!!!! Two real good drafts,win a few trades for a change and don't spend 20+ million bucks like a drunken F'n sailor and things could turn around much quicker than many think BUT good luck with any of that! I dunno about the rebuild stuff but FEW teams come back with two forwards to rival Kane and D-Cat and Kubalik looks to be at least a 25 goal guy himself. If JT comes back healthy and rested,these four alone are more offensive talent than a 1/3 of the teams in the league have. The problem is,almost the opposite can be said for the defense unless a few kids break through. Vegas got a break just like Seattle will by being the only team in an expansion draft and a guaranteed 3rd or better to kick things off BUT it's hard to imagine that makes up for not having a major or minor league roster to start a season. It'll be interesting to see if Seattle has the same success and fan support that Vegas has. Major kudos to the Wild too,they have two of their own overpaid dinosaurs but that didn't stop them from having a bang up season(on track for 110 with a full schedule)and gave Vegas all they wanted in a tough 1st round draw. Maybe the Wild ain't cup winners but I ain't heard em cryin' any rebuild crap either. I'm not saying any of this is easy but I'm not sure it's as hard as it's made out to be either..... Teams like the Canes and Isle are nothing more than well built and well coached......do either dress one the league's top 10 players? Top 20? The 'Identity line'.....well FUK me.....who needs guys like that in the playoffs? The Panthers are another team well built and well coached but they might have a top 20 player....maybe two,they were also 4 game over two years ago when Q took over but they were on a 116 point pace themselves this year with the toughest 1st round draw a team has seen in ages. Like I said,I dunno know where things are goin' but I'll bet $$$ that the Hawks are five games either way of .500 next year......again. Good call on the Canes and Isles. Your prediction for the Hawks seems like the one I made above when I said they would be a middle of the pack team. Only add on for me was that I said they would be middle of the pack for a long time. I just can't see them getting properly rebuilt as long as Bowman is around. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 7, 2021 16:35:52 GMT -6
One thing to keep in mind, I think everyone is getting caught up on getting all these high end scorers or the most talented. That usually ends up in a lot of misses or not getting what you need. Cant always take “the most talented”. I know this is a different draft. There is always a possibility someone that should go 2nd or 3rd could fall due to no exposure. However, I think the Hawks need to shift gears and start looking for guys to fill different roles. It seems like the org is always looking for a high end puck moving dman in the draft. Then we see Kalynuk come in and look as offensively gifted as any of them. He’s a 7th round pick from Philly who took the long way due to no one wanting him. Can you rely on Kalynuk’s coming out every year? No. Just like you can’t rely on finding gems with every pick. It’s time to start picking guys like a Bolland. Yes he was a big end scorer in Jrs, but through his interviews and his development, he knew he probably wouldn’t be the high end scorer and he was told his last year in Jrs to go out and be a pest. He did. You can draft and develop guys like this. Same with Buff. Ladd, etc. We need role players so the top end guys like Kane, Dcat, Toews, Kubalik can do their thing. We need to start drafting NHL players and more role players that can easily make the transition and make the Hawks tougher to play against. If Mason McTavish is there, and he’s passed on. The problem lies very very deep. Cannot keep taking skill guys with no heart. Cannot have a team full of no skill and all heart players either. Need a good mix. McTavish should be the target!!! I'd partially disagree on this. Right now the 'hawks only have 2 guaranteed high-end talent players: Kane and Debrincat, and Kane is on the wrong side of 30. If they can get their hooks into a guy with heart and talent, then they absolutely have pick them up simply because what's left of the core is definitely not getting any younger. The rest are not guaranteed (Toews) or qualify for Social Security (Keith). To that end: That means we have Debrincat who's in his prime as a top-end finisher and Kane who's an aging but still great fall-around scorer. We don't have a defensively-responsible puck-moving D-man, and right now Boqvist may not be it ever. We don't have a defensive stud like Hjammer. Murph doesn't come close. We don't have a big bodied d-man. No one in the 'hawks system is remotely close to being whjat Seabrook was. We don't have a top-end center waiting in the wings. Dach may be more Bolland and less Toews. We don't have a 2nd line center waiting in the wings. Strome is maybe a Kruger without being as-good defensively and poorer at the dot. We don't have a 3-zone player waiting in the wings. Debrincat has some promise but he's no Hossa. I think the drafting problem is flipped around. The 'hawks have been getting guys who supposedly have this ephemeral "talent", but lack the heart to bring it to bear (Sikura, Nylander, Strome, Zadorov, etc.). While they have one young guy with heart (Hagel), he's somewhat lacking talent-wise, and is a prototypical 4th-line player. Ideally the 'hawks need both heart and talent. That being said, if by slot 11 there's no talent+heart guys left, maybe we should go for the guy with heart that can be a role player as opposed to another prima donna. But, if they find a guy with talent and heart at 11, I think they have to go with that over some guys who's a role player. Once Toews, Kane, and Keith's deals are up Debrincat is the only guy left who has any hallmarks of being a driving force in Chicago. We might have some time on Kane if he stays but down the road things are bleak in terms of top-end talent. Now is where the 'hawks need to be looking for that level of talent if it falls to them. But again, give the prima donna "talent but without the heart to bring it to bear" guys a miss. Granted, I do not trust Stan to do so. I just don’t see the Hawks getting a top 20 scorer in the league at pick 11. I say get guys you can’t trust and play the game the right way. Let the team tank and go for a top pick in the next few drafts to fill out the top two lines. It’s pretty bleak no matter how you look at it. Unless you’re like some posters here who can’t face facts and see a last place team when they’re last place. This is a last place team and maybe a bit better with Toews here. Probably still miss the playoffs. I’d like to have the conversation again with the same people that thought last year it was better to make the playoffs than get a good pick. How did that quick stint with Vegas help the Hawks? Plain and simple. This team needs a full rebuild. Only an idiot with Hawks coloured Pom poms believes different. Think of it. The Hawks miss the playoffs the last 5 years. Last year was a gimme and the Hawks weren’t gonna qualify. So how the hell with out top end talent are the Hawks gonna make a true run? It’s over, and it’s time to look to the future. I say draft guys that will be serviceable for the next decade. Ya they may not be the top guys in the draft, but we gotta be at the top of the draft board for that!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 7, 2021 16:46:38 GMT -6
I'd partially disagree on this. Right now the 'hawks only have 2 guaranteed high-end talent players: Kane and Debrincat, and Kane is on the wrong side of 30. If they can get their hooks into a guy with heart and talent, then they absolutely have pick them up simply because what's left of the core is definitely not getting any younger. The rest are not guaranteed (Toews) or qualify for Social Security (Keith). To that end: That means we have Debrincat who's in his prime as a top-end finisher and Kane who's an aging but still great fall-around scorer. We don't have a defensively-responsible puck-moving D-man, and right now Boqvist may not be it ever. We don't have a defensive stud like Hjammer. Murph doesn't come close. We don't have a big bodied d-man. No one in the 'hawks system is remotely close to being whjat Seabrook was. We don't have a top-end center waiting in the wings. Dach may be more Bolland and less Toews. We don't have a 2nd line center waiting in the wings. Strome is maybe a Kruger without being as-good defensively and poorer at the dot. We don't have a 3-zone player waiting in the wings. Debrincat has some promise but he's no Hossa. I think the drafting problem is flipped around. The 'hawks have been getting guys who supposedly have this ephemeral "talent", but lack the heart to bring it to bear (Sikura, Nylander, Strome, Zadorov, etc.). While they have one young guy with heart (Hagel), he's somewhat lacking talent-wise, and is a prototypical 4th-line player. Ideally the 'hawks need both heart and talent. That being said, if by slot 11 there's no talent+heart guys left, maybe we should go for the guy with heart that can be a role player as opposed to another prima donna. But, if they find a guy with talent and heart at 11, I think they have to go with that over some guys who's a role player. Once Toews, Kane, and Keith's deals are up Debrincat is the only guy left who has any hallmarks of being a driving force in Chicago. We might have some time on Kane if he stays but down the road things are bleak in terms of top-end talent. Now is where the 'hawks need to be looking for that level of talent if it falls to them. But again, give the prima donna "talent but without the heart to bring it to bear" guys a miss. Granted, I do not trust Stan to do so. I just don’t see the Hawks getting a top 20 scorer in the league at pick 11. I say get guys you can’t trust and play the game the right way. Let the team tank and go for a top pick in the next few drafts to fill out the top two lines. It’s pretty bleak no matter how you look at it. Unless you’re like some posters here who can’t face facts and see a last place team when they’re last place. This is a last place team and maybe a bit better with Toews here. Probably still miss the playoffs. I’d like to have the conversation again with the same people that thought last year it was better to make the playoffs than get a good pick. How did that quick stint with Vegas help the Hawks? Plain and simple. This team needs a full rebuild. Only an idiot with Hawks coloured Pom poms believes different. Think of it. The Hawks miss the playoffs the last 5 years. Last year was a gimme and the Hawks weren’t gonna qualify. So how the hell with out top end talent are the Hawks gonna make a true run? It’s over, and it’s time to look to the future. I say draft guys that will be serviceable for the next decade. Ya they may not be the top guys in the draft, but we gotta be at the top of the draft board for that!!! I don't think you're wrong, but if a guy falls into place at slot 11, I think the 'hawks should acquire them over getting a role player. if a guy doesn't fall into place, a role player is better than a prima donna. But I don't think you miss out on a guy who is a 1-2 D-man (if one falls) or a de facto top-6 forward who can play both ends of the ice with the heart to match for the sake of kicking the can further down the road. Top-tier players can land anywhere in the draft. Hossa was 12th OA. All I'm saying is the 'hawks shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth if they get a gift horse. |
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Post by tincup on Jun 7, 2021 17:55:13 GMT -6
The ‘79 draft was a ground breaking one due to the league merger,( I’ll link a nice story below), lots of underagers because the WHA had tried to undermine the NHL on prospects, lots of side deals made, Gretzky on a personal service contract,etc. and as you’ll see, not a ton of Euros or even Americans selected. I’ll give the WHA credit for opening up the N.A. game to the players of the world, I don’t believe that very many NHL teams would have been heavily scouting Europe at the time, therefore some pretty good players were drafted deep. www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1979/79facts.htmlInteresting how you brought up the Blackhawks drafts, it’s always been the case that very few prospects get good careers out of hockey, but the Hawks history of first rounders outside of the obvious picks of Toews (lucky he fell to third) and the luck of winning the Kane lotto, leaves a lot to be desired. Second round and beyond not much different. You develop a fourth round guy to be a valuable player, more luck sometimes than insight I think. Some of the Blackhawk scouts and management with long time connections to the draft should be under the eye as well, but like any big corporation these guys bury in like ticks. Good article as it explains why the 79 draft was so good to the Oilers. However, look what they plucked out of the 80 draft----Coffey and Kurri. Hawks tried for their own version of Coffey a couple of years later but Bruce Cassidy had too many knee injuries and he never could stick. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 7, 2021 22:38:36 GMT -6
I'd partially disagree on this. Right now the 'hawks only have 2 guaranteed high-end talent players: Kane and Debrincat, and Kane is on the wrong side of 30. If they can get their hooks into a guy with heart and talent, then they absolutely have pick them up simply because what's left of the core is definitely not getting any younger. The rest are not guaranteed (Toews) or qualify for Social Security (Keith). To that end: That means we have Debrincat who's in his prime as a top-end finisher and Kane who's an aging but still great fall-around scorer. We don't have a defensively-responsible puck-moving D-man, and right now Boqvist may not be it ever. We don't have a defensive stud like Hjammer. Murph doesn't come close. We don't have a big bodied d-man. No one in the 'hawks system is remotely close to being whjat Seabrook was. We don't have a top-end center waiting in the wings. Dach may be more Bolland and less Toews. We don't have a 2nd line center waiting in the wings. Strome is maybe a Kruger without being as-good defensively and poorer at the dot. We don't have a 3-zone player waiting in the wings. Debrincat has some promise but he's no Hossa. I think the drafting problem is flipped around. The 'hawks have been getting guys who supposedly have this ephemeral "talent", but lack the heart to bring it to bear (Sikura, Nylander, Strome, Zadorov, etc.). While they have one young guy with heart (Hagel), he's somewhat lacking talent-wise, and is a prototypical 4th-line player. Ideally the 'hawks need both heart and talent. That being said, if by slot 11 there's no talent+heart guys left, maybe we should go for the guy with heart that can be a role player as opposed to another prima donna. But, if they find a guy with talent and heart at 11, I think they have to go with that over some guys who's a role player. Once Toews, Kane, and Keith's deals are up Debrincat is the only guy left who has any hallmarks of being a driving force in Chicago. We might have some time on Kane if he stays but down the road things are bleak in terms of top-end talent. Now is where the 'hawks need to be looking for that level of talent if it falls to them. But again, give the prima donna "talent but without the heart to bring it to bear" guys a miss. Granted, I do not trust Stan to do so. I just don’t see the Hawks getting a top 20 scorer in the league at pick 11. I say get guys you can’t trust and play the game the right way. Let the team tank and go for a top pick in the next few drafts to fill out the top two lines. It’s pretty bleak no matter how you look at it. Unless you’re like some posters here who can’t face facts and see a last place team when they’re last place. This is a last place team and maybe a bit better with Toews here. Probably still miss the playoffs. I’d like to have the conversation again with the same people that thought last year it was better to make the playoffs than get a good pick. How did that quick stint with Vegas help the Hawks? Plain and simple. This team needs a full rebuild. Only an idiot with Hawks coloured Pom poms believes different. Think of it. The Hawks miss the playoffs the last 5 years. Last year was a gimme and the Hawks weren’t gonna qualify. So how the hell with out top end talent are the Hawks gonna make a true run? It’s over, and it’s time to look to the future. I say draft guys that will be serviceable for the next decade. Ya they may not be the top guys in the draft, but we gotta be at the top of the draft board for that!!! just to address the series victory last year vs the Oil: still worth it, especially knowing now that it was the last time that group would ever play together... |
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Post by Tater on Jun 8, 2021 0:12:10 GMT -6
just to address the series victory last year vs the Oil: still worth it, especially knowing now that it was the last time that group would ever play together...Yeah, it was a great run.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 8, 2021 9:00:08 GMT -6
Have you guys played around with the expansion draft simulator on CF? Good tool to see which players are auto-exempt and protected from each team. You can fill in which players you would protect from the Kraken. www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft/seattle |
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Post by Tater on Jun 8, 2021 10:09:03 GMT -6
Have you guys played around with the expansion draft simulator on CF? Good tool to see which players are auto-exempt and protected from each team. You can fill in which players you would protect from the Kraken. www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft/seattleThat looks like a great simulator. Unfortunately the page won't fully load in. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 8, 2021 16:00:29 GMT -6
Have you guys played around with the expansion draft simulator on CF? Good tool to see which players are auto-exempt and protected from each team. You can fill in which players you would protect from the Kraken. www.capfriendly.com/expansion-draft/seattleI use it a lot for reference. I think the 'hawks are actually in a great position with respect to the expansion draft. The only position they risk losing a halfway decent piece is Goaltending. They have enough slots to protect any decent FWDs and D-men, and Seattle will either have pick a skater who's a castoff, or maybe someone they have to negotiate with and sign. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 8, 2021 17:17:23 GMT -6
If a trade up scenario in rd. 1 that would interest the Hawks should happen, don't forget the Hawks have two 2nd. rd. picks and two 4th rd. picks. And I was thinking draft day trade ups almost always involved only picks. As with all trades though, you've got to have a trade partner The scenario could apply to trying to move into the late 1st or maybe real early 2nd. If Stan should consider trying to move up in rd. 1, he should consult with Chicago Bears GM Ryan Pace. Pace has the art of trading up in drafts down pat.  |
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Post by BigT on Jun 8, 2021 20:42:41 GMT -6
If a trade up scenario in rd. 1 that would interest the Hawks should happen, don't forget the Hawks have two 2nd. rd. picks and two 4th rd. picks. And I was thinking draft day trade ups almost always involved only picks. As with all trades though, you've got to have a trade partner The scenario could apply to trying to move into the late 1st or maybe real early 2nd. If Stan should consider trying to move up in rd. 1, he should consult with Chicago Bears GM Ryan Pace. Pace has the art of trading up in drafts down pat. I’m not against it. I just don’t see the Hawks going from 11 to say 7 to get someone they want, for only their pick and a 2nd. I don’t think that’d be enough. Maybe for the Hawks 1st and both 2nds. But I think that’s foolish in a draft like this years. However, let’s say for shits and giggles it does get done. I’d have to think a dman would be the target. Gotta get more on the backend. Not sure free agency is gonna help the Hawks. But to come back with the exact same d core is the work of a mad mad man. Have to think experience isn’t the only lacking. Overall talent is!!! |
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 9, 2021 9:30:10 GMT -6
If a trade up scenario in rd. 1 that would interest the Hawks should happen, don't forget the Hawks have two 2nd. rd. picks and two 4th rd. picks. And I was thinking draft day trade ups almost always involved only picks. As with all trades though, you've got to have a trade partner The scenario could apply to trying to move into the late 1st or maybe real early 2nd. If Stan should consider trying to move up in rd. 1, he should consult with Chicago Bears GM Ryan Pace. Pace has the art of trading up in drafts down pat. I’m not against it. I just don’t see the Hawks going from 11 to say 7 to get someone they want, for only their pick and a 2nd. I don’t think that’d be enough. Maybe for the Hawks 1st and both 2nds. But I think that’s foolish in a draft like this years. However, let’s say for shits and giggles it does get done. I’d have to think a dman would be the target. Gotta get more on the backend. Not sure free agency is gonna help the Hawks. But to come back with the exact same d core is the work of a mad mad man. Have to think experience isn’t the only lacking. Overall talent is!!! From some mock drafts I've seen, I see what you mean about a trade up by the Hawks would likely be for a dman. All the mocks had the same four dmen all going in the first 6-7 picks, then no dmen at all until around the mid first. I would agree a trade up by the Hawks isn't very likely at all. Unless a high rated player starts sliding down, there doesn't seem to be any incentive for the Hawks to move up if they could get about the same caliber player at 11 as they could at 7-8. If the wings take Wallstedt, and the four dmen all go early as mocks show, it leaves the Hawks taking the sixth forward at 11. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 9, 2021 11:11:59 GMT -6
I’m not against it. I just don’t see the Hawks going from 11 to say 7 to get someone they want, for only their pick and a 2nd. I don’t think that’d be enough. Maybe for the Hawks 1st and both 2nds. But I think that’s foolish in a draft like this years. However, let’s say for shits and giggles it does get done. I’d have to think a dman would be the target. Gotta get more on the backend. Not sure free agency is gonna help the Hawks. But to come back with the exact same d core is the work of a mad mad man. Have to think experience isn’t the only lacking. Overall talent is!!! From some mock drafts I've seen, I see what you mean about a trade up by the Hawks would likely be for a dman. All the mocks had the same four dmen all going in the first 6-7 picks, then no dmen at all until around the mid first. I would agree a trade up by the Hawks isn't very likely at all. Unless a high rated player starts sliding down, there doesn't seem to be any incentive for the Hawks to move up if they could get about the same caliber player at 11 as they could at 7-8. If the wings take Wallstedt, and the four dmen all go early as mocks show, it leaves the Hawks taking the sixth forward at 11. This is why I feel McTavish can be there. I think everyone will go ham on the top 4 defensemen. I think the wings pass on the goalie. They’ve taken goalies in 3 straight years. All 6’3” or bigger. I think due to them being in Michigan, they’re gonna aim for either Beniers, Edvinsson, Hughes or Clarke. I feel that tendy may go higher. Even if he doesn’t. Wings pick 6th. So I can see one or two of them landing there. Guenthers should be a top 3. So there’s a solid chance the Winged wheel gets a solid player at 6!!! |
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 9, 2021 11:51:05 GMT -6
From some mock drafts I've seen, I see what you mean about a trade up by the Hawks would likely be for a dman. All the mocks had the same four dmen all going in the first 6-7 picks, then no dmen at all until around the mid first. I would agree a trade up by the Hawks isn't very likely at all. Unless a high rated player starts sliding down, there doesn't seem to be any incentive for the Hawks to move up if they could get about the same caliber player at 11 as they could at 7-8. If the wings take Wallstedt, and the four dmen all go early as mocks show, it leaves the Hawks taking the sixth forward at 11. This is why I feel McTavish can be there. I think everyone will go ham on the top 4 defensemen. I think the wings pass on the goalie. They’ve taken goalies in 3 straight years. All 6’3” or bigger. I think due to them being in Michigan, they’re gonna aim for either Beniers, Edvinsson, Hughes or Clarke. I feel that tendy may go higher. Even if he doesn’t. Wings pick 6th. So I can see one or two of them landing there. Guenthers should be a top 3. So there’s a solid chance the Winged wheel gets a solid player at 6!!! Take a look at the Wings picks at 6 and 23. www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/ |
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Post by BigT on Jun 9, 2021 12:11:03 GMT -6
This is why I feel McTavish can be there. I think everyone will go ham on the top 4 defensemen. I think the wings pass on the goalie. They’ve taken goalies in 3 straight years. All 6’3” or bigger. I think due to them being in Michigan, they’re gonna aim for either Beniers, Edvinsson, Hughes or Clarke. I feel that tendy may go higher. Even if he doesn’t. Wings pick 6th. So I can see one or two of them landing there. Guenthers should be a top 3. So there’s a solid chance the Winged wheel gets a solid player at 6!!! Take a look at the Wings picks at 6 and 23. www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/I can see them taking Cossa at 23. But I doubt they take a goalie at 6. I just don’t see it. Yzerman I don’t think will want to wait around for 4-5 years for a goalie to come in. They need a lot of help with the roster first!!! |
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 9, 2021 14:20:35 GMT -6
When the person that did that mock draft got to the Wings second 1st. rd. pick at 23, I wonder if they suddenly got amnesia and forgot they also had Detroit taking a G at 6. Two goalies in the 1st rd. by the same team.
I've read good things about McTavish. A couple of reports called him a goal scorer. I would expect the Hawks to look first at a C, that could play wing also, rather than a guy that's strictly a winger. Although they could use either one.
I'd bet if someone in the media would ask Stan about their plans for the draft, the term "best player" would be mentioned very early in his reply.
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Post by BigT on Jun 9, 2021 16:10:45 GMT -6
When the person that did that mock draft got to the Wings second 1st. rd. pick at 23, I wonder if they suddenly got amnesia and forgot they also had Detroit taking a G at 6. Two goalies in the 1st rd. by the same team. I've read good things about McTavish. A couple of reports called him a goal scorer. I would expect the Hawks to look first at a C, that could play wing also, rather than a guy that's strictly a winger. Although they could use either one. I'd bet if someone in the media would ask Stan about their plans for the draft, the term "best player" would be mentioned very early in his reply. I wonder if someone showed Stan his interviews before previous drafts, then asked him. “How’d that work out?” I’d love to see the answers to that!!! |
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Post by Tater on Jun 9, 2021 23:18:25 GMT -6
I'd bet if someone in the media would ask Stan about their plans for the draft, the term "best player" would be mentioned very early in his reply. Unfortunately it's Stan's version of "best player".
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 10, 2021 7:37:28 GMT -6
I'd bet if someone in the media would ask Stan about their plans for the draft, the term "best player" would be mentioned very early in his reply. Unfortunately it's Stan's version of "best player".
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 10, 2021 11:25:42 GMT -6
I saw that the Hawks inked Reichel to a 3 year entry level contract and that he had 10 goals and 17 assists in 38 games for Eisbaren Berlin, a pro team in the best German league. I also saw he is 6ft and 176 lbs. So, what is his story? I know nothing about him and have never seen him play. So, educate me about him. Thanks.
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Post by jacksalmon on Jun 10, 2021 11:28:17 GMT -6
I can see them taking Cossa at 23. But I doubt they take a goalie at 6. I just don’t see it. Yzerman I don’t think will want to wait around for 4-5 years for a goalie to come in. They need a lot of help with the roster first!!! Also, would they really take two goalies in the first round? I see that mock draft has the Sens taking your boy McTavish at #10, just ahead of the Hawks. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 10, 2021 12:16:03 GMT -6
I saw that the Hawks inked Reichel to a 3 year entry level contract and that he had 10 goals and 17 assists in 38 games for Eisbaren Berlin, a pro team in the best German league. I also saw he is 6ft and 176 lbs. So, what is his story? I know nothing about him and have never seen him play. So, educate me about him. Thanks. Reports I've read on him said he's a good two way player. He's said to be a very good skater with good acceleration, and has quick hands, with a good shot and is good with the puck. He's supposed to have good playmaking abilities. I think I remember reading he has good hockey IQ. On his weight, I think OTH talked about this some time back, saying he's actually in the low 180's now? The first video is from the German men's league two seasons ago, when I think he was 17. The second video is from the world juniors last year. I include it just for one of the goals he scores. He scores on a wrist shot against Kazakhstan on a 2 on 1. I still don't see the puck until it's in the net. The 2 on 1 sequence starts about the :38-:39 mark. Reichel is #23. www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8bj_yC7D34www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHVztnMXLsk |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 10, 2021 14:53:27 GMT -6
Hawks will trade up to #3 and draft Mitch Trubinsky II.............
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Post by tincup on Jun 11, 2021 17:43:16 GMT -6
Just picked up The Hockey News Draft Preview issue. Similar yet different in their picks, a lot of the same guys I’ve seen in other mock drafts, just rearranged differently. This one has the Hawks with the goalie at #11. I’m still not sold on a goalie in the first round, it seems just as many if not more make it as later round picks. Goalie picking, like the other positions, isn’t a real exact science. To me there are too many interesting picks, especially centre’s, that should be available at the #11 spot. Still like to rid ourselves of some,of our prospects (they should make up their mind on who to put their effort into) to get another first round pick, or even another early second. There’s also a Kraken draft scenario, and the Hawks contribution is deHaan, which should make some people happy.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 11, 2021 18:49:24 GMT -6
Just picked up The Hockey News Draft Preview issue. Similar yet different in their picks, a lot of the same guys I’ve seen in other mock drafts, just rearranged differently. This one has the Hawks with the goalie at #11. I’m still not sold on a goalie in the first round, it seems just as many if not more make it as later round picks. Goalie picking, like the other positions, isn’t a real exact science. To me there are too many interesting picks, especially centre’s, that should be available at the #11 spot. Still like to rid ourselves of some,of our prospects (they should make up their mind on who to put their effort into) to get another first round pick, or even another early second. There’s also a Kraken draft scenario, and the Hawks contribution is deHaan, which should make some people happy. I will be quite pleased if the Kraken take DeHaan off our hands. I will be equally pleased if the goalie we take is Wallstedt. not so much if it is Cossa (I'm not sold on him as a high first round pick, I think he goes late first/early second). I expect us to take a F, though, which is also fine with me. unless one of those top 4 dmen drop to us, I'd rather add a forward in the first round, personally. |
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Post by Tater on Jun 12, 2021 1:33:02 GMT -6
No matter who they draft, please let it be someone with at least the strong potential to be at or over 6' and 180# with some grit.
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Post by hsbob on Jun 12, 2021 5:24:48 GMT -6
Just picked up The Hockey News Draft Preview issue. Similar yet different in their picks, a lot of the same guys I’ve seen in other mock drafts, just rearranged differently. This one has the Hawks with the goalie at #11. I’m still not sold on a goalie in the first round, it seems just as many if not more make it as later round picks. Goalie picking, like the other positions, isn’t a real exact science. To me there are too many interesting picks, especially centre’s, that should be available at the #11 spot. Still like to rid ourselves of some,of our prospects (they should make up their mind on who to put their effort into) to get another first round pick, or even another early second. There’s also a Kraken draft scenario, and the Hawks contribution is deHaan, which should make some people happy. Unless you figure he's worth 4.55M flat cap dollars......I don't......I'll be happy if he goes but I don't know why they'd take him. |
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