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Post by squishy24 on Aug 4, 2021 10:59:22 GMT -6
yea, that would have been the perfect time. But we all know Bowman, he holds on to the players that need/has to be traded until the last second when their value has gone down. but looking from Bowman's view (or at least what i think his view is), maybe Strome is a back-up plan if Toews isn't ready or has to leave again? not a comparable back-up plan, but a back-up plan nonetheless Since none of us are consulted about any phone calls made or gotten by the FO regarding trades, we speculate what SB does or doesn't do. We don't know if he tried to make deals and was rejected by other GM's or he rejected other GM's ridicules trade offers. We will never know. exactly. but with so much SB bashing going on here, i try to "defend" some of his transactions, or at least make sense of it. Even out the perspectives
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Post by T-man2010 on Aug 4, 2021 12:50:50 GMT -6
Since none of us are consulted about any phone calls made or gotten by the FO regarding trades, we speculate what SB does or doesn't do. We don't know if he tried to make deals and was rejected by other GM's or he rejected other GM's ridicules trade offers. We will never know. exactly. but with so much SB bashing going on here, i try to "defend" some of his transactions, or at least make sense of it. Even out the perspectives I've been part of and had other group comment boards that we had for fans of any teams. Not a single one of them ever thought their GM's were worth a damn. But we're lucky, we can vent our rage at one GM.
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Post by squishy24 on Aug 5, 2021 7:33:30 GMT -6
exactly. but with so much SB bashing going on here, i try to "defend" some of his transactions, or at least make sense of it. Even out the perspectives I've been part of and had other group comment boards that we had for fans of any teams. Not a single one of them ever thought their GM's were worth a damn. But we're lucky, we can vent our rage at one GM. ^ yup best example is this year with Marc Bergevin. So many Canadiens fans wanted him out before the season, now he's a great GM.
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Post by jaty84 on Sept 2, 2021 1:19:51 GMT -6
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Post by Tater on Sept 2, 2021 1:34:24 GMT -6
Awesome news! Thanks for posting it, glad he's on track. Hopefully he's ready for game 1.
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Sept 2, 2021 6:54:16 GMT -6
Best news I've heard in awhile, not just for his play, but for his leadership on the team, Happy to have you back JT
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 2, 2021 7:46:46 GMT -6
I was hoping someone would've posted this 👍 thought it'd be GT but he's slacking lol Great to hear the captain is feeling like his old self.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 20, 2021 16:38:57 GMT -6
a little more of the same almost 3 weeks later.
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Post by jaty84 on Sept 21, 2021 2:03:00 GMT -6
a little more of the same almost 3 weeks later. What does it mean "NBA style load management"?
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 21, 2021 2:38:44 GMT -6
a little more of the same almost 3 weeks later. What does it mean "NBA style load management"? someone else had better field that question. i'm not really up on the NBA or their time management techniques.
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Post by BigT on Sept 21, 2021 5:08:31 GMT -6
a little more of the same almost 3 weeks later. What does it mean "NBA style load management"? Just means that they rest him. Especially in times that the game is in control. If they’re up 5-2 with 15 mins left. He probably doesn’t play!!!
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Post by jaty84 on Sept 21, 2021 6:59:06 GMT -6
What does it mean "NBA style load management"? Just means that they rest him. Especially in times that the game is in control. If they’re up 5-2 with 15 mins left. He probably doesn’t play!!! Thanks for explanation. However, it's questionable how many times Hawks will be in a safe control of the result ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by hsbob on Sept 21, 2021 7:25:50 GMT -6
NBA teams will decrease minutes for star players in blowout wins and if their PO position is secured late in the season,MLB teams have watched the pitch count and innings thrown by pitchers for some time now and you'll see the backup QB in the 4th quarter of blowout wins too but hockey has always been a bit different in this regard. The average hockey player will see a game off as an affront to their character as we all know and even decreased ice time is poorly received,hell........even a 'maintenance day' off of practice seems to draw attention. Maybe it's time coaches get a handle on this approach as much as we all appreciate it,we'll see teams give their top PP guys a PP or two off with a big lead late but that's about the extent of 'load management' we see in hockey.
Top forwards who are used to 20-22 minutes will bristle at 15 because they aren't only playing for team success,personal stats enter into their next deal or their legacy or both. My question would be,would these regular season wonders who are gone after the first round or two every year fare better in the PO's if their top players time was 'managed'?
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Post by vadarx on Sept 21, 2021 7:35:46 GMT -6
What does it mean "NBA style load management"? Just means that they rest him. Especially in times that the game is in control. If they’re up 5-2 with 15 mins left. He probably doesn’t play!!! this and also that he will probably have games off here and there. that is the main thing with the load management, imo. the stars take games off during the regular season to stay fresh in season and, moreso, to save themselves for the playoffs.
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Post by T-man2010 on Sept 21, 2021 7:36:58 GMT -6
Sometimes that's refered to as "maintenance days" where "older" players would skip practices to rest their beaten up bodies. We saw that a lot with Hossa, Keith, Seabs at times the last 5-6 years.
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Sept 21, 2021 11:38:09 GMT -6
What does it mean "NBA style load management"? Just means that they rest him. Especially in times that the game is in control. If they’re up 5-2 with 15 mins left. He probably doesn’t play!!! That is one boring basketball game...
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Post by BigT on Sept 21, 2021 12:59:47 GMT -6
Just means that they rest him. Especially in times that the game is in control. If they’re up 5-2 with 15 mins left. He probably doesn’t play!!! That is one boring basketball game... I’d love basketball more if the score was lower and they allowed hitting!!!
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Sept 21, 2021 13:35:20 GMT -6
That is one boring basketball game... I’d love basketball more if the score was lower and they allowed hitting!!! I had an argument one time with someone who said that hockey was boring compared to basketball because the goals were so rare. I tried to explain to him that that's what made the game so exciting: the relative rarity of the goals. A goal is a big event and they are all different. In basketball no one admires or even pays attention to any particular basket.
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Post by davebrau on Sept 21, 2021 16:13:26 GMT -6
That is one boring basketball game... I’d love basketball more if the score was lower and they allowed hitting!!! then you wouldve loved the NBA in the 80s and 90s, because they did! watch the last dance to see what i mean.
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Post by BigT on Sept 22, 2021 5:07:56 GMT -6
I’d love basketball more if the score was lower and they allowed hitting!!! then you wouldve loved the NBA in the 80s and 90s, because they did! watch the last dance to see what i mean. I watched the “bad boys” cuz I’m just across the River from Detroit. It was murder, mayhem and anarchy all in one arena. That’s gone by the wayside now. Same with hockey, and same with football. My son is in his first year of AAA (should be his 2nd, but last season was cancelled due to Covid). Right now if they’re jostling for position, and a kid’s shoulder accidentally hits another kid in the head. That’s a 4 minute penalty, and possibly a 10 minute misconduct for head contact. I’m all for protection of kids. But gawd dammit they wear helmets to protect. All they need to do is call the deliberate shit. The kids will be battling for a puck, all the sudden a whistle goes. And everyone’s like “what is that for?”. Then all the sudden a kid is in the box for a while. Even if it’s the other team I don’t get it. Just total pusification of sports!!!
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Post by hsbob on Sept 22, 2021 8:10:57 GMT -6
Just means that they rest him. Especially in times that the game is in control. If they’re up 5-2 with 15 mins left. He probably doesn’t play!!! this and also that he will probably have games off here and there. that is the main thing with the load management, imo. the stars take games off during the regular season to stay fresh in season and, moreso, to save themselves for the playoffs. I'm not saying this isn't common sense because it is but it also won't happen if the player is even close to healthy.....or at least it hasn't in the past. Healthy scratches for veteran players seem problematic in hockey,Seabs was 36 and in need of four surgeries and didn't want out of the line up. I also see a great chance that JT is recovered,rested.....maybe as rested as he's ever been in his entire career and most importantly.......READY. This also doesn't mean that you ride him like a wet mule like we've done in the past,maybe Johnson can take some minutes against opposing top centers and maybe some bigger FO's too.
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Post by BigT on Sept 22, 2021 13:31:12 GMT -6
this and also that he will probably have games off here and there. that is the main thing with the load management, imo. the stars take games off during the regular season to stay fresh in season and, moreso, to save themselves for the playoffs. I'm not saying this isn't common sense because it is but it also won't happen if the player is even close to healthy.....or at least it hasn't in the past. Healthy scratches for veteran players seem problematic in hockey,Seabs was 36 and in need of four surgeries and didn't want out of the line up. I also see a great chance that JT is recovered,rested.....maybe as rested as he's ever been in his entire career and most importantly.......READY. This also doesn't mean that you ride him like a wet mule like we've done in the past,maybe Johnson can take some minutes against opposing top centers and maybe some bigger FO's too. Perfect chance to let a 3rd year big centerman to learn trial by fire. I’m hoping that the Doc can handle this and run with it. He’s no rookie anymore and no more excuses. I get it, he’s only 20 and sometimes kids take longer. If he’s not ready at 20/21, he’s just not gonna be. He needs to really step up and play some really good hockey. Personally, I’d love to see 50+ points from him and a high 40s % rate at the dot. Like maybe 47-48%. I really don’t think that’s asking a lot of a 20 year old 3rd overall pick. He’s gotta put up now. If he doesn’t. I’d trade him while I can for much needed upgrades at seasons end!!!
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Post by bigbarn27 on Sept 22, 2021 13:56:55 GMT -6
I just dont see how managing his minutes works. Not gonna be a time where they are up by 3 and you can rest him. Maybe they go through schedule and sit him about 6-8 games of back to backs. Im sure there will be a lot of maintenance days. I just dont see how you sell JT on missing shifts. Maybe if someone can win a face off you take him off the PK. Im also expecting 50+ from Doc. comming out party this year!!
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Post by BigT on Sept 22, 2021 15:00:21 GMT -6
I just dont see how managing his minutes works. Not gonna be a time where they are up by 3 and you can rest him. Maybe they go through schedule and sit him about 6-8 games of back to backs. Im sure there will be a lot of maintenance days. I just dont see how you sell JT on missing shifts. Maybe if someone can win a face off you take him off the PK. Im also expecting 50+ from Doc. comming out party this year!! If a player plays 20 mins a night. And gets cut back to 15 mins for 20-25 games through out the year, then sits out the odd little road trip, he’ll be fresh and in shape to start the playoffs (if the were to make it). It all adds up. Especially for a guy who’s 33 and will be 34 come playoff time. I know it’s not the same, but when I coach, in tournaments especially. If you’re winning by a wide margin. My top line gets sat most of the way. No use in wasting their energy for the next game. And I’ve seen the results when they’re tired out. They don’t play anywhere near their level. That’s all on the coaches!!!
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Post by vadarx on Sept 22, 2021 17:36:08 GMT -6
I just dont see how managing his minutes works. Not gonna be a time where they are up by 3 and you can rest him. Maybe they go through schedule and sit him about 6-8 games of back to backs. Im sure there will be a lot of maintenance days. I just dont see how you sell JT on missing shifts. Maybe if someone can win a face off you take him off the PK. Im also expecting 50+ from Doc. comming out party this year!! yeah, the NBA style load management would have him taking games off, not shifts. which, I'd like to add that I cannot stand that shit in the NBA, butttt LeBron has gotta break all the records so.... I expect he'll play another 5 seasons by skipping a quarter/third of the regular season each year... I agree that perhaps back to backs might be a good time to give him some rest throughout the season.
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Post by shooter61 on Sept 22, 2021 19:35:53 GMT -6
i'M thinking that, if JT wants to go, he's jumping those boards, might take more than JC to stop him I'm betting I'm getting excited the more I read about our new 27, could be another kelly steal
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Post by hsbob on Sept 23, 2021 7:37:03 GMT -6
I just dont see how managing his minutes works. Not gonna be a time where they are up by 3 and you can rest him. Maybe they go through schedule and sit him about 6-8 games of back to backs. Im sure there will be a lot of maintenance days. I just dont see how you sell JT on missing shifts. Maybe if someone can win a face off you take him off the PK. Im also expecting 50+ from Doc. comming out party this year!! yeah, the NBA style load management would have him taking games off, not shifts. which, I'd like to add that I cannot stand that shit in the NBA, butttt LeBron has gotta break all the records so.... I expect he'll play another 5 seasons by skipping a quarter/third of the regular season each year... I agree that perhaps back to backs might be a good time to give him some rest throughout the season. The man's as close to a one man walking championship as there is in all of sports,I'd keep him fresh for the PO's too........just sayin'.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 23, 2021 8:02:39 GMT -6
yeah, the NBA style load management would have him taking games off, not shifts. which, I'd like to add that I cannot stand that shit in the NBA, butttt LeBron has gotta break all the records so.... I expect he'll play another 5 seasons by skipping a quarter/third of the regular season each year... I agree that perhaps back to backs might be a good time to give him some rest throughout the season. The man's as close to a one man walking championship as there is in all of sports,I'd keep him fresh for the PO's too........just sayin'. he is doing it himself so he can prolong his career so he might have a chance to win enough rings to make everyone forget about another guy who wore 23... MJ didn't take weeks off so he was fresh for the playoffs. he didn't take games off, period. LeBron can pound sand. also, he is a one man contender, not a one man championship. he has pretty well proven he can't win shit unless he has a couple other stars playing with him, and even then it isn't certain.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 23, 2021 8:05:31 GMT -6
I just dont see how managing his minutes works. Not gonna be a time where they are up by 3 and you can rest him. Maybe they go through schedule and sit him about 6-8 games of back to backs. Im sure there will be a lot of maintenance days. I just dont see how you sell JT on missing shifts. Maybe if someone can win a face off you take him off the PK. Im also expecting 50+ from Doc. comming out party this year!! Yeah,PK gasses a guy as thoroughly as any duty in the game so that's a good idea. Kharia seems to have done okay on the kill in the past but he's only so-so at FO's but TJ's a lot better than so-so and he kills too and has nine career shorties. Speaking of shorties,I see D-Cat on the PK all year too and look for half a dozen shorties maybe more,this kid'll gladly eat every minute you give him and smile all the way! I'd be happy with 20/50 outta Dach myself,his all-around game has already shown itself but that should improve as well. Hockey IQ and attitude seem to be at a real good level,consistency and durability are what we now need to see,maybe a bit of snarl too BUT the team just can't allow him to be targeted as he's been in the past if they want him to be the player he should be IMO.
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Post by hsbob on Sept 23, 2021 8:25:41 GMT -6
The man's as close to a one man walking championship as there is in all of sports,I'd keep him fresh for the PO's too........just sayin'. he is doing it himself so he can prolong his career so he might have a chance to win enough rings to make everyone forget about another guy who wore 23... MJ didn't take weeks off so he was fresh for the playoffs. he didn't take games off, period. LeBron can pound sand. also, he is a one man contender, not a one man championship. he has pretty well proven he can't win shit unless he has a couple other stars playing with him, and even then it isn't certain. Nothing's certain and no one wins a title by himself. He had a great crew in Miami but Cleveland......CLEAVLAND,was crap before he got there and crap after he left. He coulda signed anywhere after he left Miami but he made Cleavland a promise and he made good on it. The Lakers were a last place team the year before he signed there. He joined a LA team in '18' that hadn't made the PO's since '14' or the finals since '2010'.........LA won it all in '19'. Of course LA added other pieces,like I said no one wins it by himself. I agree MJ was more of a warrior.....more than any current day player but LBJ's had his injuries along the way and a lot of miles on the odometer. None of those teams win those titles without LeBron. You can feel any way you want about the guy personally but his achievements are undeniable and how in the hell is resting himself and foregoing regular season personal stats so he can stay healthy and help his team win more titles a bad thing? He is 37.
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