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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 16, 2023 7:29:07 GMT -6
My main concern with your train of thoughts here MVR is that you seem to be saying that only Toews and Kane could provide that leadership. And no one else. Obviously the management doesn’t seem to think they’d be a good fit. I don’t believe he’s lying when he says younger guys are timid around them. Afraid to speak up. Guys like T Johnson has as much pedigree as anyone. I fully understand many wanted the storey book ending. It’s not the way it went. If it doesn’t work out, then you have every right to say you’re right!!! Some people think Toews and Kane were pushed out but both said they didn't want to part of a rebuild, it wasn't one sided. Yeah both would've been great to have around but like you said, Johnson is a Cup champion and he's a good leader, and guys like Dickinson work hard and provide leadership. And when Vlasic said it was like walking on eggshells around 19 and 88 I didn't take it as a slight against them, it's because their legends and accomplished so much here, that'd be intimidating. |
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Post by mvr on May 16, 2023 7:55:59 GMT -6
My main concern with your train of thoughts here MVR is that you seem to be saying that only Toews and Kane could provide that leadership. And no one else. Obviously the management doesn’t seem to think they’d be a good fit. I don’t believe he’s lying when he says younger guys are timid around them. Afraid to speak up. Guys like T Johnson has as much pedigree as anyone. I fully understand many wanted the storey book ending. It’s not the way it went. If it doesn’t work out, then you have every right to say you’re right!!! That's not my view at all. My feeling is that management created a storyline about the poor "fit" to disparage the two stars who likely were challenging Davidson's decisions behind the scenes. As I have mentioned many times here, I grew up watching the Montreal Canadiens of the 1970s. If Lafleur and Robinson felt "timid" around Henri Richard and Yvon Cournoyer (and likely they did), it certainly did not impact their long-term development. In fact, I believe that adversity helped them. Constant turnover and change is a bad thing. We all know T. Johnson is almost certainly gone the minute Davidson can unload him. |
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Post by mvr on May 16, 2023 7:59:47 GMT -6
My main concern with your train of thoughts here MVR is that you seem to be saying that only Toews and Kane could provide that leadership. And no one else. Obviously the management doesn’t seem to think they’d be a good fit. I don’t believe he’s lying when he says younger guys are timid around them. Afraid to speak up. Guys like T Johnson has as much pedigree as anyone. I fully understand many wanted the storey book ending. It’s not the way it went. If it doesn’t work out, then you have every right to say you’re right!!! Some people think Toews and Kane were pushed out but both said they didn't want to part of a rebuild, it wasn't one sided. Yeah both would've been great to have around but like you said, Johnson is a Cup champion and he's a good leader, and guys like Dickinson work hard and provide leadership. And when Vlasic said it was like walking on eggshells around 19 and 88 I didn't take it as a slight against them, it's because their legends and accomplished so much here, that'd be intimidating. What else are they going to say publicly? Management was pushing them out. Neither were offered contracts. They demonstrated dignity and protected their legacy. The fact that both waited until the very last possible moment to declare their intentions speaks. |
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Post by steamer on May 16, 2023 8:10:08 GMT -6
My main concern with your train of thoughts here MVR is that you seem to be saying that only Toews and Kane could provide that leadership. And no one else. Obviously the management doesn’t seem to think they’d be a good fit. I don’t believe he’s lying when he says younger guys are timid around them. Afraid to speak up. Guys like T Johnson has as much pedigree as anyone. I fully understand many wanted the storey book ending. It’s not the way it went. If it doesn’t work out, then you have every right to say you’re right!!! That's not my view at all. My feeling is that management created a storyline about the poor "fit" to disparage the two stars who likely were challenging Davidson's decisions behind the scenes. As I have mentioned many times here, I grew up watching the Montreal Canadiens of the 1970s. If Lafleur and Robinson felt "timid" around Henri Richard and Yvon Cournoyer (and likely they did), it certainly did not impact their long-term development. In fact, I believe that adversity helped them. Constant turnover and change is a bad thing. We all know T. Johnson is almost certainly gone the minute Davidson can unload him. Constant turnover is a bad thing but how else does a team accumulate draft picks? I believe you posted in these threads the need to accumulate as many draft picks as possible as a way forward. Not sure how that’s done without turnover. Apparently K and T should have been untouchable - and btw I agree that they could have been helpful going forward. They are arguably the 2 greatest Hawks ever and ideally I like the idea of passing the torch on to the next rising stars. But neither one of them had the torch passed to them by aging 15 year former Hawk stars. Lapointe and Aucoin? Journeymen just like whomever will come in via FA for next season. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 16, 2023 8:35:48 GMT -6
Lots of fans value Toews and Kane and did not want them to go. Davidson's "plan" might work, but it also might not. In the meantime, he has sent two star players packing who didn't fit with his agenda. Davidson has won nothing so far. Kane and Toews both won three cups. His agenda is to win the Cup, which is something I agree with and I'm pretty sure many, if not most, of my fellow Hawks fans agree. Continuing on the path of trying to win the Cup with Toews and Kane is what the previous regime did year after year and it got less and less likely it could be accomplished as the years rolled by. For as much as T&K meant to the Hawks and the glorious decade of the T&K era - it came to an inevitable end. Would Hawks ownership and management show the fans loyalty by continuing to forgo legitimately trying to win the the Cup for a few more years to be able to be nice to T&K? Why not just change the team name to the Chicago Toews and Kanes? Nostalgia and all happy feeling aside - KD (with the blessings of Danny/Rocky) had the balls to do what needed to be done (several years ago). I'll applaud Toews and Kane when their jerseys are raised to the rafters. but right now I applaud KD. Lets be honest we have already changed the team name to the Conner Bedards. Should we take down the last 3 banners for a little while so the kids dont feel the pressure? As far as applauding KD what Am I applauding for? We are one of the worse teams in the league, you can applaud now I will wait til they have a cup contender. As far as balls he waited to the last game of the year because he is ballless. For us it does not matter the path is already set some of us disagree with the reasoning for the path of kicking out 88 and 19. I will say it again this is the easy part if I am applauding anyone right now I am applauding lottery balls! |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 16, 2023 9:16:04 GMT -6
My main concern with your train of thoughts here MVR is that you seem to be saying that only Toews and Kane could provide that leadership. And no one else. Obviously the management doesn’t seem to think they’d be a good fit. I don’t believe he’s lying when he says younger guys are timid around them. Afraid to speak up. Guys like T Johnson has as much pedigree as anyone. I fully understand many wanted the storey book ending. It’s not the way it went. If it doesn’t work out, then you have every right to say you’re right!!! Some people think Toews and Kane were pushed out but both said they didn't want to part of a rebuild, it wasn't one sided. Yeah both would've been great to have around but like you said, Johnson is a Cup champion and he's a good leader, and guys like Dickinson work hard and provide leadership. And when Vlasic said it was like walking on eggshells around 19 and 88 I didn't take it as a slight against them, it's because their legends and accomplished so much here, that'd be intimidating. What I viewed was Vlasic was "intimidated" by 19/88 and the eggshells comment was because he was right out of college and in the final 15 games of the season. The following camp he said he was at ease being around them now. He now wasn't awestruck, he could play his game more. |
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Post by hsbob on May 16, 2023 9:43:05 GMT -6
I value loyalty above all. For this reason, I will always have trouble with an insecure young boss (fast-track promoted) who feels the need to clean house so he won't be questioned. In so doing, he disrespects those who came before him. It happens too often, and not just in sport. After three cups and countless good experiences, Toews and Kane (like the others) deserved to go on their terms. I do not believe it was necessary nor was it wise to push them out. But of course I also objected to how Hjalmarsson and Crawford among others (and Coach Quenneville) left as well...... Stan Mikita won one cup here. Tony O took the team to the finals twice. Neither were pushed out before they were ready to go. Pat and Edzo had to go too? I doubt either woulda been overly critical of the young GM or the HC,I believe both would have remained loyal but both are very knowledgeable and both can be very analytical. I haven't been the new guy's biggest critic but I'm sure we'd agree they'll be little analytical hockey knowledge gettin' in the way from the youngster but all the loyalty a FO could hope for. If the team was at a point where several top-end kids were all ready to roll and K&T were taking spots from those kids,that'd be thing but as you said,we've seen another. |
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Post by hsbob on May 16, 2023 10:16:52 GMT -6
My main concern with your train of thoughts here MVR is that you seem to be saying that only Toews and Kane could provide that leadership. And no one else. Obviously the management doesn’t seem to think they’d be a good fit. I don’t believe he’s lying when he says younger guys are timid around them. Afraid to speak up. Guys like T Johnson has as much pedigree as anyone. I fully understand many wanted the storey book ending. It’s not the way it went. If it doesn’t work out, then you have every right to say you’re right!!! Some people think Toews and Kane were pushed out but both said they didn't want to part of a rebuild, it wasn't one sided. Yeah both would've been great to have around but like you said, Johnson is a Cup champion and he's a good leader, and guys like Dickinson work hard and provide leadership. And when Vlasic said it was like walking on eggshells around 19 and 88 I didn't take it as a slight against them, it's because their legends and accomplished so much here, that'd be intimidating. Jr went public with the 'no contract offers of any kind' for either and he and his millennial/media/mouthpiece seemed to revel in it opposed to quietly handling it during the offseason. Your last two sentences are the message they used to take this tactic. It's been pointed-out that the media/mouthpiece had inside info that neither would be brought back months ago.......no? Johnson was a hard-working part of two cups back then,there's a lotta ex-cups winners floatin' around the league but few make 5M and most play more than half their team's starts and Dickinson's leadership VS K&T's.....I don't know what to say! It would take me all morning to list the young players who've excelled playing with K&T on a veteran-laden roster throughout the cup-run and after. This 'walking on eggshells' scenario floated by a kid who made the team for six games last year is news to me and where was it floated? And by who? The aforementioned millennial/mouthpiece.....thst's who. |
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Post by mvr on May 16, 2023 10:40:07 GMT -6
Davidson all but loaded both players on the truck to the glue factory.
The players pretended that they had choice here, but management made it perfectly clear that they were not wanted back and deliberately stated so publicly to control the narrative
Of course, the players bravely painted the situation in sunny tones when talking to the press. Both showed great class despite the ugly reality.
I am quite certain Kane took great pleasure in sticking it to Davidson by rigorously enforcing his NMC and in so doing sabotaging the general manager's game plan to get high picks. It was the ultimate F.U. to the present team leadership. I don't blame him one bit.
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Post by Nikos on May 16, 2023 11:18:18 GMT -6
I do find it interesting that we never heard from Toews and Kane publicly say or through their agent they wanted to remain here and get an extension all during the last season. If they did, I certainly do not recall or remember. If they said it privately either directly to KD or through their mutual agent, you would think it might/would have been leaked. I am sure the beat guys that cover the team these thoughts crossed their minds and even on and off the record might have asked both do you want to remain here and sign an extension.
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 16, 2023 11:34:37 GMT -6
His agenda is to win the Cup, which is something I agree with and I'm pretty sure many, if not most, of my fellow Hawks fans agree. Continuing on the path of trying to win the Cup with Toews and Kane is what the previous regime did year after year and it got less and less likely it could be accomplished as the years rolled by. For as much as T&K meant to the Hawks and the glorious decade of the T&K era - it came to an inevitable end. Would Hawks ownership and management show the fans loyalty by continuing to forgo legitimately trying to win the the Cup for a few more years to be able to be nice to T&K? Why not just change the team name to the Chicago Toews and Kanes? Nostalgia and all happy feeling aside - KD (with the blessings of Danny/Rocky) had the balls to do what needed to be done (several years ago). I'll applaud Toews and Kane when their jerseys are raised to the rafters. but right now I applaud KD.
I don't believe this to be true. Dumping them is not what "needed to be done." Many young teams benefit by learning from proven champions. Toews and Kane are winners as was Crawford, Hjalmarsson and all the others dumped by the previous administration. The problem in Chicago was not team leadership. It was poor roster support, insufficient depth (and especially physicality), constant personnel turnover, and (until recently) dreadful coaching. The old veterans are gone. But new ones will be brought in as plugs to fill holes. The only difference is that Davidson has purged the roster of anyone with the pedigree to challenge his "wisdom." I don't think that "Davidson's narrative" is that the team can't grow with quality veterans. That statement slants his actual narrative to support your opinion but nowhere did Davidson actually say that. I support Davidson's actual narrative because it makes the most sense to me. In a sea of options for rebuilding a team - all with varying degrees of potential success rate - he has chosen the one he thinks makes the most sense, all things considered, to result in building a Cup contending team that has sustainability. Is his plan a slam dunk - no - but neither is any other rebuilding plan. I don't know Davidson from Adam - he doesn't have a long enough track record for any of us to "really know" him. But he's the GM and he has a plan that so far he is sticking to so I'm optimistic. |
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Post by BigT on May 16, 2023 15:19:02 GMT -6
My main concern with your train of thoughts here MVR is that you seem to be saying that only Toews and Kane could provide that leadership. And no one else. Obviously the management doesn’t seem to think they’d be a good fit. I don’t believe he’s lying when he says younger guys are timid around them. Afraid to speak up. Guys like T Johnson has as much pedigree as anyone. I fully understand many wanted the storey book ending. It’s not the way it went. If it doesn’t work out, then you have every right to say you’re right!!! Some people think Toews and Kane were pushed out but both said they didn't want to part of a rebuild, it wasn't one sided. Yeah both would've been great to have around but like you said, Johnson is a Cup champion and he's a good leader, and guys like Dickinson work hard and provide leadership. And when Vlasic said it was like walking on eggshells around 19 and 88 I didn't take it as a slight against them, it's because their legends and accomplished so much here, that'd be intimidating. I heard an interview today with KD. It was on David Haugh? The show is call Haugh and something or reversed. I don’t remember exactly. But they asked KD about the Toews and Kane situation. He said all the right things. But one thing he said stuck out. He said something along the lines of they’ll bring in some leadership and they have some. They wanted the kids to walk into a dressing room that they could have a solid impact in. And yes the leaders will lead. But they’re looking for more kids to step into those roles. Just like how 19/88/2/7 all had that chance. I don’t see any other reasoning to keep them around other than nostalgia. It’s over. Time to move on. Cherishing the memories is all we got now. The last guy mangled things up so bad that it had to come to this. But it’s done, there’s gonna be a lot to look forward to!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 16, 2023 20:12:51 GMT -6
Davidson all but loaded both players on the truck to the glue factory. The players pretended that they had choice here, but management made it perfectly clear that they were not wanted back and deliberately stated so publicly to control the narrative Of course, the players bravely painted the situation in sunny tones when talking to the press. Both showed great class despite the ugly reality. I am quite certain Kane took great pleasure in sticking it to Davidson by rigorously enforcing his NMC and in so doing sabotaging the general manager's game plan to get high picks. It was the ultimate F.U. to the present team leadership. I don't blame him one bit. Giroux and Brisson gave Philly the exact,same ultimatum........Philly got a 1st and Tippett.......Philly's got a real GM too! |
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Post by hsbob on May 16, 2023 21:01:09 GMT -6
Anybody wanna take a run at explaining all the kid's who thrived and flourished with K&T as their teammates and in many cases their linemates if they're intimidating? Anybody?
This is obviously the FO's scripted narrative,being pushed by a blatant mouthpiece who unfortunately found a disgruntled kid who couldn't make the team to go along. Shameless.
Intimidated by Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane?LOFL!!! Two of the most gentlemanly players of their era w/o a doubt,what TF would this fragile generation do faced with some real mean MF'ers? WTF!
It's also ABSURD to insinuate two of the most individual and team accomplished players of their era would do anything but benefit young teammates and if you disagree,take a run at my question.
Andrew Shaw was practically undrafted,did he have any trouble 'finding his voice'(embarrassing to even write that)in a room full of vets at 20?LOL!
Guys like Saad and Kruger were quieter(who wasn't)but both also flourished right from the start @20.......the list is a long one. Less fragile?
Danny and Jaime and Lil' Jr and 'Hammerin' Hank Greenberg are taking the game in a new direction and tryin' to wash that cup taste they had nothing to do with out of their mouths with promises of things to come.......I won't come in your mouth is a promise too!LOFL!!!!!
Outstanding hockey men Ron Francis and Pat Verbeek were available around the time Lyin' Rocky was runnin' his "Who wants to be a GM' sideshow,let's see where the three teams are at in 3-4 years.
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Post by squishy24 on May 23, 2023 21:14:43 GMT -6
“ The Chicago Blackhawks denied a request from the Pittsburgh Penguins to interview Blackhawks associate general manager Jeff Greenberg for the team’s general manager vacancy, per The Athletic’s Scott Powers. Greenberg completed his first year as an NHL executive in 2022-23 after spending ten years in the baseball operations department for the MLB’s Chicago Cubs. He’s quickly gaining esteem around the league, and Chicago isn’t willing to part with him.”
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 23, 2023 22:12:35 GMT -6
Some people think Toews and Kane were pushed out but both said they didn't want to part of a rebuild, it wasn't one sided. Yeah both would've been great to have around but like you said, Johnson is a Cup champion and he's a good leader, and guys like Dickinson work hard and provide leadership. And when Vlasic said it was like walking on eggshells around 19 and 88 I didn't take it as a slight against them, it's because their legends and accomplished so much here, that'd be intimidating. Jr went public with the 'no contract offers of any kind' for either and he and his millennial/media/mouthpiece seemed to revel in it opposed to quietly handling it during the offseason. Your last two sentences are the message they used to take this tactic. It's been pointed-out that the media/mouthpiece had inside info that neither would be brought back months ago.......no? Johnson was a hard-working part of two cups back then,there's a lotta ex-cups winners floatin' around the league but few make 5M and most play more than half their team's starts and Dickinson's leadership VS K&T's.....I don't know what to say! It would take me all morning to list the young players who've excelled playing with K&T on a veteran-laden roster throughout the cup-run and after. This 'walking on eggshells' scenario floated by a kid who made the team for six games last year is news to me and where was it floated? And by who? The aforementioned millennial/mouthpiece.....thst's who. Once again you read what you want and twist words around, I said Dickinson is a good leader, when did I compare him to Toews and Kane? He's not in their league, and neither was Lapointe, but he sure helped those two. |
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Post by 2old4this on May 24, 2023 1:08:07 GMT -6
3 minor trades so far; Nylander for Lafferty Krys for Gabriel Subban for whatever underwhelming returns? or are we over-valuing our players? LAfferty has been OK IMO. He is one of a very few that has decent speed. And very willing to go in the corners. Reminds me of Desjardin a few years back. The thing about Lafferty is that you always know when he steps onto the ice. His speed draws your attention. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 24, 2023 7:09:06 GMT -6
“ The Chicago Blackhawks denied a request from the Pittsburgh Penguins to interview Blackhawks associate general manager Jeff Greenberg for the team’s general manager vacancy, per The Athletic’s Scott Powers. Greenberg completed his first year as an NHL executive in 2022-23 after spending ten years in the baseball operations department for the MLB’s Chicago Cubs. He’s quickly gaining esteem around the league, and Chicago isn’t willing to part with him.” Thus the reason for associate GM. Quick question can they also block a assistant GM ? |
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Post by hsbob on May 24, 2023 7:43:51 GMT -6
Jr went public with the 'no contract offers of any kind' for either and he and his millennial/media/mouthpiece seemed to revel in it opposed to quietly handling it during the offseason. Your last two sentences are the message they used to take this tactic. It's been pointed-out that the media/mouthpiece had inside info that neither would be brought back months ago.......no? Johnson was a hard-working part of two cups back then,there's a lotta ex-cups winners floatin' around the league but few make 5M and most play more than half their team's starts and Dickinson's leadership VS K&T's.....I don't know what to say! It would take me all morning to list the young players who've excelled playing with K&T on a veteran-laden roster throughout the cup-run and after. This 'walking on eggshells' scenario floated by a kid who made the team for six games last year is news to me and where was it floated? And by who? The aforementioned millennial/mouthpiece.....thst's who. Once again you read what you want and twist words around, I said Dickinson is a good leader, when did I compare him to Toews and Kane? He's not in their league, and neither was Lapointe, but he sure helped those two. You mentioned T Johnson and Dickson as leadership replacements for K&T......how did I twist that? My reply was "I don't know what to say".......I didn't mean that to be contentious. I actually did read your entire post and to be fair,you also said "both would've been great to have around",someone doesn't agree with us. |
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Post by squishy24 on May 24, 2023 11:05:14 GMT -6
“ The Chicago Blackhawks denied a request from the Pittsburgh Penguins to interview Blackhawks associate general manager Jeff Greenberg for the team’s general manager vacancy, per The Athletic’s Scott Powers. Greenberg completed his first year as an NHL executive in 2022-23 after spending ten years in the baseball operations department for the MLB’s Chicago Cubs. He’s quickly gaining esteem around the league, and Chicago isn’t willing to part with him.” Thus the reason for associate GM. Quick question can they also block a assistant GM ? Im guessing they can. Probably depends on the contract signed. There is another case right now where a GM have been told that hes not going to be re-signed when his contract expires on June 30, BUT the team is NOT allowing him or any other team to talk to him regarding a new job until July 1st. I dont remember who it is or what team. I know its not Dubas/Tor, might be Treliving and Calgary Edit* yup its treliving and calgary. (Quick google). Calgary is not allowing anyone to interview Treliving until his contract expires on June 30. As of right now, Calgary already habe Craig Conroy as the new GM, while Treliving is in limbo |
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Post by BigT on May 24, 2023 11:33:21 GMT -6
Thus the reason for associate GM. Quick question can they also block an assistant GM ? Im guessing they can. Probably depends on the contract signed. There is another case right now where a GM have been told that hes not going to be re-signed when his contract expires on June 30, BUT the team is NOT allowing him or any other team to talk to him regarding a new job until July 1st. I dont remember who it is or what team. I know its not Dubas/Tor, might be Treliving and Calgary Edit* yup its treliving and calgary. (Quick google). Calgary is not allowing anyone to interview Treliving until his contract expires on June 30. As of right now, Calgary already habe Craig Conroy as the new GM, while Treliving is in limbo They have allowed Treliving to talk to teams. He just isn’t allowed to be hired by a team due to all their draft talk and strategy. They said on TSN today that the leaves have talked to Treliving. But it’s kinda moot now because they won’t let him work for another team. Unless they wanna hire him after the draft? I think the Leaves will go in a totally different direction. They’ll surprise everyone!!! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 24, 2023 15:58:38 GMT -6
Im guessing they can. Probably depends on the contract signed. There is another case right now where a GM have been told that hes not going to be re-signed when his contract expires on June 30, BUT the team is NOT allowing him or any other team to talk to him regarding a new job until July 1st. I dont remember who it is or what team. I know its not Dubas/Tor, might be Treliving and Calgary Edit* yup its treliving and calgary. (Quick google). Calgary is not allowing anyone to interview Treliving until his contract expires on June 30. As of right now, Calgary already habe Craig Conroy as the new GM, while Treliving is in limbo They have allowed Treliving to talk to teams. He just isn’t allowed to be hired by a team due to all their draft talk and strategy. They said on TSN today that the leaves have talked to Treliving. But it’s kinda moot now because they won’t let him work for another team. Unless they wanna hire him after the draft? I think the Leaves will go in a totally different direction. They’ll surprise everyone!!! Thanks T did not even think about it from that angle make complete sense that you would not let any of your people talk til after the draft. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 24, 2023 22:59:53 GMT -6
“ The Chicago Blackhawks denied a request from the Pittsburgh Penguins to interview Blackhawks associate general manager Jeff Greenberg for the team’s general manager vacancy, per The Athletic’s Scott Powers. Greenberg completed his first year as an NHL executive in 2022-23 after spending ten years in the baseball operations department for the MLB’s Chicago Cubs. He’s quickly gaining esteem around the league, and Chicago isn’t willing to part with him.” in a way i'm glad the pens had interest in greenberg. i wasn't doubting anyone's judgement with the hire but, i'll admit i found it a bit "off the wall". maybe it isn't such a batshit crazy idea after all. |
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Post by mvr on May 26, 2023 10:44:55 GMT -6
Mark Staal makes $750 K for the Conference Champion Panthers this year, the same as his brother and teammate, Eric.
Mark plays about 18 minutes/game, though it fluctuates. Eric tends to get about 10-12 minutes. Neither player is a star these days, but both provide that reliable veteran game that helps their team win.
To succeed in this era requires finding players who can fill roles and will sign high-value, short term contracts. The plus-35 player can be a valuable asset because they will sign cheap contracts and often can still perform in a set role. Boston had several below market veterans this year. The Hawks during their cup runs had Madden, Handzus, Rozsival, and Richards. But then Bowman stopped adding these types for whatever reason I never really understood.
If Toews intends to play next year, he will settle for a very cap-friendly deal. Kane is not going to get big money either - especially considering his health questions.
Landing proven winners on cheap contracts will pay off for some team this summer .... I will never understand why the Hawks closed this door.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 26, 2023 12:39:14 GMT -6
Once again you read what you want and twist words around, I said Dickinson is a good leader, when did I compare him to Toews and Kane? He's not in their league, and neither was Lapointe, but he sure helped those two. You mentioned T Johnson and Dickson as leadership replacements for K&T......how did I twist that? My reply was "I don't know what to say".......I didn't mean that to be contentious. I actually did read your entire post and to be fair,you also said "both would've been great to have around",someone doesn't agree with us. No one can replace those two as leaders, but Johnson and Dickinson are vets that work hard and provide leadership. And yeah I don't understand closing the door on 19&88, even if they don't want to be on a rebuilding team, I would've offered them a 2 or 3yr deal. Toews 5mill per and Kane 6-7. |
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Post by mvr on May 26, 2023 13:06:07 GMT -6
My feeling is that you could go even lower with the salaries....
Toews @ $3M/year, Kane @ $5M/year. Each guaranteed for 2 years. I doubt they get much more.
If they do (and money is what matters to them), they're welcome of course to take what they can get. But at least make an offer.... Why shut the door? I don't get it, and none of the explanations presented here work so far for me.
It is clear to me that Davidson did not want them around as potential threats. Young bosses are the worst.
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Post by BigT on May 26, 2023 15:39:26 GMT -6
My feeling is that you could go even lower with the salaries.... Toews @ $3M/year, Kane @ $5M/year. Each guaranteed for 2 years. I doubt they get much more. If they do (and money is what matters to them), they're welcome of course to take what they can get. But at least make an offer.... Why shut the door? I don't get it, and none of the explanations presented here work so far for me. It is clear to me that Davidson did not want them around as potential threats. Young bosses are the worst. I’ve been critical at times of the young GM. I’m not saying this because of the 1st overall. Even thought the team was not good. They never gave up, and eliminated Pitt and because of that Florida is in the playoffs/finals. He’s a very aggressive GM. I like that. If he want’s something, he seems to go get it. I think he’ll do a good job. I think we’ll all be happy after this years draft!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 26, 2023 16:49:40 GMT -6
My feeling is that you could go even lower with the salaries.... Toews @ $3M/year, Kane @ $5M/year. Each guaranteed for 2 years. I doubt they get much more. If they do (and money is what matters to them), they're welcome of course to take what they can get. But at least make an offer.... Why shut the door? I don't get it, and none of the explanations presented here work so far for me. It is clear to me that Davidson did not want them around as potential threats. Young bosses are the worst. I’ve been critical at times of the young GM. I’m not saying this because of the 1st overall. Even thought the team was not good. They never gave up, and eliminated Pitt and because of that Florida is in the playoffs/finals. He’s a very aggressive GM. I like that. If he want’s something, he seems to go get it. I think he’ll do a good job. I think we’ll all be happy after this years draft!!! I've come around and like KDs no bs aggressive approach, and doing what he says he's going to do, very refreshing compared to the last guy. And he surrounded himself with NHL vets, plus smart numbers people, it's a good mix. I wouldn't have closed the door on Toews and Kane but they gave us many great memories and brought the franchise back from the dead, now it's time for Bedard and company to do the same. |
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Post by hsbob on May 27, 2023 7:29:07 GMT -6
My feeling is that you could go even lower with the salaries.... Toews @ $3M/year, Kane @ $5M/year. Each guaranteed for 2 years. I doubt they get much more. If they do (and money is what matters to them), they're welcome of course to take what they can get. But at least make an offer.... Why shut the door? I don't get it, and none of the explanations presented here work so far for me. It is clear to me that Davidson did not want them around as potential threats. Young bosses are the worst. I'm not sure it wasn't Danny who wanted every last vestige of the cup era gone as much as it is Jr,he definitely had to have the Prince's blessing to boot K&T. Blowin' Pat and Edzo out of the booth was certainly above Jr's pay-grade. I believe it's a top-down, Organizational edict to put the era behind it and young management that had nothing to do with the success of the era is happy to oblige....aggressively. Is it any coincidence that uber-popular players from a team that won four of the last thirteen cups no longer even appear in league Stanley Cup commercials? I guess the ease many have relegating the era to the annals of 'nostalgia' shouldn't surprise me but it does. It seems things like heritage,tradition,accomplishmnts and civic pride are little more than 'ass-wipe' these days. |
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Post by hsbob on May 27, 2023 8:15:33 GMT -6
“ The Chicago Blackhawks denied a request from the Pittsburgh Penguins to interview Blackhawks associate general manager Jeff Greenberg for the team’s general manager vacancy, per The Athletic’s Scott Powers. Greenberg completed his first year as an NHL executive in 2022-23 after spending ten years in the baseball operations department for the MLB’s Chicago Cubs. He’s quickly gaining esteem around the league, and Chicago isn’t willing to part with him.” He may indeed be a 'Natural',ala Roy Hobbs(sorry for the baseball reference....LOL),but would you be comfortable tapping a guy to run your team with only one year of FO hockey experience? I'm not sure what his duties as Assoc GM are but I'll assume they include applying a MLB-like statistical analysis to the team's current and future players. If this is the case,then like the young GM,how can we assess the performance of either guy until the many draft picks and prospects play at the NHL level? Do we see a 'honeymoon' period of 2-3 years with accolades before accomplishments and little to no 'on-ice' accountability until the future phenoms make it due to more tanking? I know it'll take patience and it's only two year's in but all 'honeymoons' end and actual assessment of the new FO's performance has to happen at some point. How much 'on-ice' accountability can we possibly expect until the many draft picks and prospects make the big club? That's still the only way to assess a young player and that's still a few years off by design. Will another 30th place finish result in more back-slapping? Will winning back-back draft lotteries result in GM of the year votes? Happy Honeymoon. |
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