Kyle Davidson as G.M.

[galaxytrash]

the stan bowman thread is all the back to page 2 already so time to make it official here and give KD his very own thread.

i really hope the "no B.S." part is true and not just lip service to the new boss.

[vadarx]

I hate him!

he sucks!

he's doing a great job!

he's doing a shit job!

I can't wait until he is fired!

I hope they extend him for life!


/endthread

[galaxytrash]

Mar 3, 2022 2:36:58 GMT -6 vadarx said:

I hate him!

he sucks!

he's doing a great job!

he's doing a shit job!

I can't wait until he is fired!

I hope they extend him for life!


/endthread

^^^ the cole's notes version.   : )

oh, the time and effort on these and the old boards that could have been saved.

[OldTimeHawky]

One of many things I didn't like about the old GM was that he never did a rebuild and kept adding bandaids like de Haan, Maatta, Carp, Jujhar, Gus 🤢 etc, instead of letting the kids play and learn from playing in the NHL.

He kept chasing the dream and hoped these guys would help get them in the playoffs and T&K could regain their past playoff glory days.

Well it was a massive fail and waste of time, picks, and prospects.

Let's hope KD does this right and gets rid of players who aren't part of the future and restocks the prospect pool.

[squishy24]

3 minor trades so far;

Nylander for Lafferty
Krys for Gabriel
Subban for whatever

underwhelming returns? or are we over-valuing our players?

[steamer]

Mar 3, 2022 9:55:55 GMT -6 squishy24 said:

3 minor trades so far;

Nylander for Lafferty
Krys for Gabriel
Subban for whatever

underwhelming returns? or are we over-valuing our players?

These are obviously meaningless trades but I am hoping that despite what we've heard that even as interim he could call the shots, that he actually was waiting until he was truly given the reins (or not) before proceeding on a bigger scale.  Like all of us, I want to see some concrete steps forward but I guess I prefer a bit of caution too and maybe getting some other folks hired first.

[T-man2010]

Mar 3, 2022 9:55:55 GMT -6 squishy24 said:

3 minor trades so far;

Nylander for Lafferty
Krys for Gabriel
Subban for whatever

underwhelming returns? or are we over-valuing our players?

LAfferty has been OK IMO.
He is one of a very few that has decent speed.
And very willing to go in the corners.
Reminds me of Desjardin a few years back.

[Nikos]

Just saw a quote from KD that King is definitely a viable option for head coach going forward. He says that it was important that he knew the younger players and was not in the original room with the previous coaching staff as a plus. There are many reports that King keeps the room lose, is funny and KD says and believes you have to think King is probably a great person to keep around during a rebuild, where you need to keep things light in and around the rink. Ok I understand it is important players play loose and not on their heels, but please explain to me over the most recent set of home games (Devils game not included), how many times did he say were not ready or I wish we had more Hagels in the lineup. I understand he can only play the players at his disposal, but where is his culpability of having players ready to play. Look even the bottom teams usually play better at home and put in hard work and effort. It is absolutely embarrassing to not be ready to play and put a good effort for the paying home fans. This rebuild is going to be painful.

[vadarx]

a few notes on KD I've gleaned over the past couple days:

very much is going to make this his own and is not beholden to the previous guy, despite having learned under him.

didn't come out and say it, but may as well have said he wouldn't have made the Jones deal. went out of his way not to throw Bowman under the bus, but you could tell he didn't agree with the move.

he and Brian Campbell are pretty much joined at the hip.

said couple have a "plan" they've been working on all season but waited to put anything in motion until he got the job.

he is not concerned about preserving Reichel's "free" elc season.

[OldTimeHawky]

Mar 3, 2022 15:15:34 GMT -6 vadarx said:

a few notes on KD I've gleaned over the past couple days:

very much is going to make this his own and is not beholden to the previous guy, despite having learned under him.

didn't come out and say it, but may as well have said he wouldn't have made the Jones deal. went out of his way not to throw Bowman under the bus, but you could tell he didn't agree with the move.

he and Brian Campbell are pretty much joined at the hip.

said couple have a "plan" they've been working on all season but waited to put anything in motion until he got the job.

he is not concerned about preserving Reichel's "free" elc season.

I like hearing that except the last part, no need to rush Reichel.

It seems crazy to me that someone who's 33 can be a GM but he's articulate and seems cool under pressure, maybe seeing how not to run a franchise will be good for him.

Of course I want him to succeed because winning is more fun and creates happy humans.

[phill9]

Mar 3, 2022 9:50:34 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

One of many things I didn't like about the old GM was that he never did a rebuild and kept adding bandaids like de Haan, Maatta, Carp, Jujhar, Gus 🤢 etc, instead of letting the kids play and learn from playing in the NHL.

He kept chasing the dream and hoped these guys would help get them in the playoffs and T&K could regain their past playoff glory days.

Well it was a massive fail and waste of time, picks, and prospects.

Let's hope KD does this right and gets rid of players who are part of the future and restocks the prospect pool.

So you want him to continue Bowman's path?

[galaxytrash]

Mar 3, 2022 17:18:33 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Mar 3, 2022 15:15:34 GMT -6 vadarx said:

a few notes on KD I've gleaned over the past couple days:

very much is going to make this his own and is not beholden to the previous guy, despite having learned under him.

didn't come out and say it, but may as well have said he wouldn't have made the Jones deal. went out of his way not to throw Bowman under the bus, but you could tell he didn't agree with the move.

he and Brian Campbell are pretty much joined at the hip.

said couple have a "plan" they've been working on all season but waited to put anything in motion until he got the job.

he is not concerned about preserving Reichel's "free" elc season.

It seems crazy to me that someone who's 33 can be a GM...

well...if you can coach your first nhl team at 33, you can general manage your first nhl team too i guess.   : )

hopefully KD generally manages to fare better than JC.

[galaxytrash]

Mar 3, 2022 14:47:29 GMT -6 Nikos said:

 This rebuild is going to be painful.

if it ain't painful you're doing something wrong.   : )

[nighbor]

Mar 3, 2022 17:18:33 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Mar 3, 2022 15:15:34 GMT -6 vadarx said:

a few notes on KD I've gleaned over the past couple days:

very much is going to make this his own and is not beholden to the previous guy, despite having learned under him.

didn't come out and say it, but may as well have said he wouldn't have made the Jones deal. went out of his way not to throw Bowman under the bus, but you could tell he didn't agree with the move.

he and Brian Campbell are pretty much joined at the hip.

said couple have a "plan" they've been working on all season but waited to put anything in motion until he got the job.

he is not concerned about preserving Reichel's "free" elc season.

I like hearing that except the last part, no need to rush Reichel.

It seems crazy to me that someone who's 33 can be a GM but he's articulate and seems cool under pressure, maybe seeing how not to run a franchise will be good for him.

Of course I want him to succeed because winning is more fun and creates happy humans.

His being articulate and seemingly cool under pressure has more to do with his life experiences than who he learned the job from.  He was born with a degenerative heart defect and has undergone three open heart surgeries.  It will not keep him from being fired but at least give him until November before you tar and feather him.

[galaxytrash]

I don't think anyone here is tar and feathering anyone just yet, at least the person you replied to hasn't.

[OldTimeHawky]

Mar 4, 2022 0:32:22 GMT -6 nighbor said:

Mar 3, 2022 17:18:33 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

I like hearing that except the last part, no need to rush Reichel.

It seems crazy to me that someone who's 33 can be a GM but he's articulate and seems cool under pressure, maybe seeing how not to run a franchise will be good for him.

Of course I want him to succeed because winning is more fun and creates happy humans.

His being articulate and seemingly cool under pressure has more to do with his life experiences than who he learned the job from.  He was born with a degenerative heart defect and has undergone three open heart surgeries.  It will not keep him from being fired but at least give him until November before you tar and feather him.

Tar and feather him, what are you talking about? I liked everything KD said he wants to do except for being ok burning a year on Reichel, how is that tarring and feathering him?

And I just watched the videos he posted yesterday and I like him a lot more than the previous GM already. I don't remember the last guy walking around the UC with his phone making videos behind the scenes and taking a group selfie with the fans.

Open heart surgery makes you more articulate and cool under pressure? First I heard of that.

[BigT]

KD said that he had 3 open heart surgeries due to some heart problems. First and foremost, I hope this isn’t an issue that can shorten his life. The kid is only 33.

So far, I like what he says a lot more than the previous guy, whatever his name was. However, most of his moves are going to be unpopular. Mainly because he’s rebuilding this team, and he’s going for futures. I’ll only criticize him if he makes trades like Kane and salary retention for a 2nd round pick. Until then. I look forward to his moves. And we know a lot are coming!!!

[galaxytrash]

Mar 4, 2022 6:37:45 GMT -6 BigT said:

So far, I like what he says a lot more than the previous guy, whatever his name was. However, most of his moves are going to be unpopular. Mainly because he’s rebuilding this team, and he’s going for futures. 

please big-t...tell me it isn't true!     : )

[BigT]

Mar 4, 2022 7:07:35 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Mar 4, 2022 6:37:45 GMT -6 BigT said:

So far, I like what he says a lot more than the previous guy, whatever his name was. However, most of his moves are going to be unpopular. Mainly because he’s rebuilding this team, and he’s going for futures. 

please big-t...tell me it isn't true!     : )

Ohhh. It’s true. It’s true!!!

[T-man2010]

Mar 4, 2022 8:40:55 GMT -6 BigT said:

Mar 4, 2022 7:07:35 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

please big-t...tell me it isn't true!     : )

Ohhh. It’s true. It’s true!!!

Did you say that in your Madeline Kahn voice?

[Nikos]

Mar 4, 2022 6:37:45 GMT -6 BigT said:

KD said that he had 3 open heart surgeries due to some heart problems. First and foremost, I hope this isn’t an issue that can shorten his life. The kid is only 33.

So far, I like what he says a lot more than the previous guy, whatever his name was. However, most of his moves are going to be unpopular. Mainly because he’s rebuilding this team, and he’s going for futures. I’ll only criticize him if he makes trades like Kane and salary retention for a 2nd round pick. Until then. I look forward to his moves. And we know a lot are coming!!!

I have had 1 open heart surgery and several other heart procedures so there is connection there and like you said BigT hope he is doing well and lives a long life. I am pulling for him and will give him a chance. It seems he will try and do this the right way, painful as it will be.

[steamer]

Mar 4, 2022 9:59:20 GMT -6 Nikos said:

Mar 4, 2022 6:37:45 GMT -6 BigT said:

KD said that he had 3 open heart surgeries due to some heart problems. First and foremost, I hope this isn’t an issue that can shorten his life. The kid is only 33.

So far, I like what he says a lot more than the previous guy, whatever his name was. However, most of his moves are going to be unpopular. Mainly because he’s rebuilding this team, and he’s going for futures. I’ll only criticize him if he makes trades like Kane and salary retention for a 2nd round pick. Until then. I look forward to his moves. And we know a lot are coming!!!

I have had 1 open heart surgery and several other heart procedures so there is connection there and like you said BigT hope he is doing well and lives a long life. I am pulling for him and will give him a chance. It seems he will try and do this the right way, painful as it will be.

Yeah not a lot we can do to change things.  Hopefully he ends up doing a great job for the team.  Kind of a stressful job for someone who has had heart issues! 

[BigT]

KD is the guy. Gotta give him the benefit of the doubt for a while. A lot of moves will be low rent and unpopular. But that’s always necessary in a rebuild. And I’m happy he’s set out a realistic plan. Now the big questions are coming up. What to do with the big 3 here? I hope they want to move on and make their legend grow. It would really help the Hawks. I still believe that Jones can be dealt. It’s the same as a team trying to sign him as a UFA. I could even see LA wanting him. Bad. Doughty and Kopitar have said they want to win now. The Mings have a litany of prospects now. Having Doughty and Jones may not be an awful thing to have on the back end.

It doesn’t sound like Flower will move. But maybe, just maybe the Leaves are in desperation mode. Maybe Flower agrees to go there. Half retained, and Hawks take back a bad contract like Mrazek. He can be the Hawks tendy for the next few years. Hawks would also receive a first rounder, and a decent prospect. So I feel that could be realistic if Flower is willing to move. That is a big if.

I would see if I could get a decent pick for Kubalik. Even if it means taking back another bad contract. So we’ll see where this goes. I think those two will be the ones to go at the TDL!!!

[galaxytrash]

[steamer]

Mar 4, 2022 14:47:59 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Ok - I guess things are under way.  Buckle our seat belts!

[Nikos]

Mar 4, 2022 15:14:34 GMT -6 steamer said:

Mar 4, 2022 14:47:59 GMT -6 galaxytrash said:

Ok - I guess things are under way.  Buckle our seat belts!

Would not be surprised to see Brian Campbell promoted into a new role.

[OldTimeHawky]

Mar 4, 2022 15:38:50 GMT -6 Nikos said:

Mar 4, 2022 15:14:34 GMT -6 steamer said:

Ok - I guess things are under way.  Buckle our seat belts!

Would not be surprised to see Brian Campbell promoted into a new role.

That'd be a good move.

Nice to see Davidson is cleaning house already. Scouting hasn't been bad for the Hawks but the old gm and Kelley were close, so I don't mind seeing the head scout go.

[vadarx]

not upset about Kelly being shown the door at all, tbh. the scouting department needs an overhaul and a bunch of booze money poured into it...

[OldTimeHawky]

Mar 4, 2022 14:21:00 GMT -6 BigT said:

KD is the guy. Gotta give him the benefit of the doubt for a while. A lot of moves will be low rent and unpopular. But that’s always necessary in a rebuild. And I’m happy he’s set out a realistic plan. Now the big questions are coming up. What to do with the big 3 here? I hope they want to move on and make their legend grow. It would really help the Hawks. I still believe that Jones can be dealt. It’s the same as a team trying to sign him as a UFA. I could even see LA wanting him. Bad. Doughty and Kopitar have said they want to win now. The Mings have a litany of prospects now. Having Doughty and Jones may not be an awful thing to have on the back end.

It doesn’t sound like Flower will move. But maybe, just maybe the Leaves are in desperation mode. Maybe Flower agrees to go there. Half retained, and Hawks take back a bad contract like Mrazek. He can be the Hawks tendy for the next few years. Hawks would also receive a first rounder, and a decent prospect. So I feel that could be realistic if Flower is willing to move. That is a big if.

I would see if I could get a decent pick for Kubalik. Even if it means taking back another bad contract. So we’ll see where this goes. I think those two will be the ones to go at the TDL!!!

You've really changed your view on KD being the GM lol, he's definitely not our first choice but it could've been worse. It'll be interesting to see the moves he makes and the returns. 

Other guys that should be moved are de Haan, Carp, and Gus, all UFAs so no point in keeping them. 

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[BigT]

Mar 4, 2022 16:48:17 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

Mar 4, 2022 14:21:00 GMT -6 BigT said:

KD is the guy. Gotta give him the benefit of the doubt for a while. A lot of moves will be low rent and unpopular. But that’s always necessary in a rebuild. And I’m happy he’s set out a realistic plan. Now the big questions are coming up. What to do with the big 3 here? I hope they want to move on and make their legend grow. It would really help the Hawks. I still believe that Jones can be dealt. It’s the same as a team trying to sign him as a UFA. I could even see LA wanting him. Bad. Doughty and Kopitar have said they want to win now. The Mings have a litany of prospects now. Having Doughty and Jones may not be an awful thing to have on the back end.

It doesn’t sound like Flower will move. But maybe, just maybe the Leaves are in desperation mode. Maybe Flower agrees to go there. Half retained, and Hawks take back a bad contract like Mrazek. He can be the Hawks tendy for the next few years. Hawks would also receive a first rounder, and a decent prospect. So I feel that could be realistic if Flower is willing to move. That is a big if.

I would see if I could get a decent pick for Kubalik. Even if it means taking back another bad contract. So we’ll see where this goes. I think those two will be the ones to go at the TDL!!!

You've really changed your view on KD being the GM lol, he's definitely not our first choice but it could've been worse. It'll be interesting to see the moves he makes and the returns. 

Other guys that should be moved are de Haan, Carp, and Gus, all UFAs so no point in keeping them. 

I absolutely have changed. Mainly because he’s the guy and hasn’t really done anything to judge him on. He wasn’t anyones first choice. But here we are. I’ll watch with a keen eye. I believe his plan is to get one of the two top picks next year and get either Bedard or Mishkov.

I’m literally hoping for the best here. I actually agree that Mark Kelley had to go. But I hope that KD doesn’t put all inexperienced guys in.

My main worry is that KD doesn’t really have any connections in the hockey world, which is what the last guy ran into. I’m cheering for him. He had me at “I’m not Stan Bowman, I have my own philosophy”. So he obviously didn’t care for the last guys work!!!