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Post by OldTimeHawky on Mar 25, 2022 21:57:32 GMT -6
a bit fluffy, but a couple nuggets in there that at least sound good. really like that he is not looking for yes-men (even though he could be full of shit and just saying what he thinks everyone wants to hear). that was a good read. agree, a bit fluffy but that's pretty much the norm. and yeah...i hope he's sincere. until he shows otherwise,i'm just going to assume he is. forgot about the keith trade where oiler's pick to us turns from a 3rd into a 2nd if they make the SCF and DK is top 4 in minutes among their D. i hope tincup and OTH get out there wearing their oiler gear and cheering hard for edmonton in the playoffs. : D I'm cheering hard they don't make the playoffs lol I'll take the 3rd. If the Oilers make the SCF it'll be one of the last pics in the 2nd. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 25, 2022 22:04:15 GMT -6
that was a good read. agree, a bit fluffy but that's pretty much the norm. and yeah...i hope he's sincere. until he shows otherwise,i'm just going to assume he is. forgot about the keith trade where oiler's pick to us turns from a 3rd into a 2nd if they make the SCF and DK is top 4 in minutes among their D. i hope tincup and OTH get out there wearing their oiler gear and cheering hard for edmonton in the playoffs. : D I'm cheering hard they don't make the playoffs lol I'll take the 3rd. If the Oilers make the SCF it'll be one of the last pics in the 2nd. c'mon man...what kind of hawks' fan are you? come playoffs, you get out there and disgrace yourself. it's for the team! : ) |
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Post by squishy24 on Mar 25, 2022 22:44:15 GMT -6
I'm cheering hard they don't make the playoffs lol I'll take the 3rd. If the Oilers make the SCF it'll be one of the last pics in the 2nd. c'mon man...what kind of hawks' fan are you? come playoffs, you get out there and disgrace yourself. it's for the team! : ) What are the chances that Wild and Oilers are both in WCF? Both high picks for us! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 25, 2022 22:51:50 GMT -6
c'mon man...what kind of hawks' fan are you? come playoffs, you get out there and disgrace yourself. it's for the team! : ) What are the chances that Wild and Oilers are both in WCF? Both high picks for us! and the oilers need to make the finals. i'd say our chances are thinner than airport toilet paper. crazier things have happened, although i can't think of any right now. : ) |
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Mar 26, 2022 7:33:10 GMT -6
Good interview with KD by Verdi on the Hawks site
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 26, 2022 7:43:47 GMT -6
Good interview with KD by Verdi on the Hawks site The link is actually posted on the previous page on this thread. Good read alright. |
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Post by BigT on Mar 26, 2022 7:47:31 GMT -6
So far the guy hasn’t lied. He’s stuck to his guns. So good for him for that. Um still very hopeful he can actually complete the job now. Not lying is a great thing. Being shit at your job is another. Let’s hope he can make this thing work!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Mar 26, 2022 10:37:31 GMT -6
So far the guy hasn’t lied. He’s stuck to his guns. So good for him for that. Um still very hopeful he can actually complete the job now. Not lying is a great thing. Being shit at your job is another. Let’s hope he can make this thing work!!! I like how Guerin said he wasn't trading his first but Davidson talked him into a compromise with the Western finals and 4 wins stipulation to get the 1st. Plus the guy has a sense of humor and doesn't have a monotone voice, that and being honest is a huge upgrade from the last guy. |
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Post by B-A-Hawk on Mar 26, 2022 11:21:03 GMT -6
Good interview with KD by Verdi on the Hawks site The link is actually posted on the previous page on this thread. Good read alright. sorry, I missed it, and yes, good read, I believe he's going to be a positive, especially compared to the last group |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 11, 2022 13:05:58 GMT -6
Ok since Im hearing from everywhere that KD is planning to burn Reichels first year should I be worried that we have a GM who thinks he is smarter then everyone else???
Ron Francis is not planing to get Beniers in the next 10 games so he has less of a body of work in the NHL also??
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Post by Nikos on Apr 11, 2022 13:30:51 GMT -6
Ok since Im hearing from everywhere that KD is planning to burn Reichels first year should I be worried that we have a GM who thinks he is smarter then everyone else??? Ron Francis is not planing to get Beniers in the next 10 games so he has less of a body of work in the NHL also?? Makes no sense Big Barn, if we are worried about how a second contract will look (Charlie Roumeliotis viewpoint), we are not focusing on the right things. It is a tool in the NHL player agreement that owners probably put in there, use it, do not think you are smarter than almost rest of the other GMs. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 11, 2022 14:07:17 GMT -6
The other big issue has not been addressed yet -
Reichel does not look ready to me. He still is very thin and small. He is not producing much offence. His defence could still use some work.
To my eye, the kid is being rushed for no reason. Send him back down, not just for the remainder of this year, but the start of next year as well.
When he is ready, you bring him up. He is not exactly dominating the AHL yet. What is the rush?
The team has several available players to choose from to fit that slot for now (Borgstrom, T. Johnson, Kurashev or Kubalik) and perhaps beyond.... Kubalik is the only one un-signed for next year.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 11, 2022 15:02:20 GMT -6
The other big issue has not been addressed yet - Reichel does not look ready to me. He still is very thin and small. He is not producing much offence. His defence could still use some work. To my eye, the kid is being rushed for no reason. Send him back down, not just for the remainder of this year, but the start of next year as well. When he is ready, you bring him up. He is not exactly dominating the AHL yet. What is the rush? The team has several available players to choose from to fit that slot for now (Borgstrom, T. Johnson, Kurashev or Kubalik) and perhaps beyond.... Kubalik is the only one un-signed for next year. I agree he should be sent down but not for his play, he had 2 good chances vs Dallas and he made a few good defensive plays, one were he used his speed to catch a Star player at the blueline, cut him off and chipped the puck off the boards out of the zone. Not sure why you think his defensive game needs work. The game before that he had a nice shot block, made an outlet pass to create a 2 on 1 and picked up a hard pass and almost went five hole. Again, I think he should go back but he has good wheels, puck control, and a high IQ. Reichel is 6th in rookie scoring in the AHL, the top guy has 13 more points and 13 more games played, and the 5 in front of him are 20yrs old and up. For a 19yr old to be a point a game player in the AHL in his first season in North America is pretty special, especially when Rockford doesn't have high end talent up front. Eddzo said being a point a game player in the AHL isn't easy to do. You're hard to impress. But send him back so he can set the Hogs rookie records and help them on their playoff push, seems like a waste to burn a year. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 11, 2022 15:14:06 GMT -6
The other big issue has not been addressed yet - Reichel does not look ready to me. He still is very thin and small. He is not producing much offence. His defence could still use some work. To my eye, the kid is being rushed for no reason. Send him back down, not just for the remainder of this year, but the start of next year as well. When he is ready, you bring him up. He is not exactly dominating the AHL yet. What is the rush? The team has several available players to choose from to fit that slot for now (Borgstrom, T. Johnson, Kurashev or Kubalik) and perhaps beyond.... Kubalik is the only one un-signed for next year. Not sure what your definition of dominate is, but basically a point a game is pretty good. If Dach was handled this way we might very well be looking at a much better developed player in my opinion. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 11, 2022 15:52:26 GMT -6
It is pretty good.
I think he has a good prospect who could use another half year in the AHL to build strength, continue to work on his defence, and get acclimatized to the pro game. He looks like a future top six. But he is not there yet. If he was there, he would be producing.
What's the rush?
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Post by BigT on Apr 11, 2022 16:06:08 GMT -6
It is pretty good. I think he has a good prospect who could use another half year in the AHL to build strength, continue to work on his defence, and get acclimatized to the pro game. He looks like a future top six. But he is not there yet. If he was there, he would be producing. What's the rush? I believe the newer approach is to burn a year of his ELC. The reason is to get to his 2nd contract quicker and he won’t be as developed and should come cheaper. Plus. It doesn’t hurt to give him a bunch of games right now. He may even start the year next year in the AHL. Also, let’s keep in mind that money is one hell of a motivator. Rychel earning big league coin for a few weeks probably motivates him to get ready this summer for next year. I don’t see no harm at this stage. It should motivate him!!! |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 11, 2022 16:22:54 GMT -6
It is pretty good. I think he has a good prospect who could use another half year in the AHL to build strength, continue to work on his defence, and get acclimatized to the pro game. He looks like a future top six. But he is not there yet. If he was there, he would be producing. What's the rush? I believe the newer approach is to burn a year of his ELC. The reason is to get to his 2nd contract quicker and he won’t be as developed and should come cheaper. Plus. It doesn’t hurt to give him a bunch of games right now. He may even start the year next year in the AHL. Also, let’s keep in mind that money is one hell of a motivator. Rychel earning big league coin for a few weeks probably motivates him to get ready this summer for next year. I don’t see no harm at this stage. It should motivate him!!! Big T, I know that is what Charlie R. thinks management's reason for it, but do you believe it yourself as making sound business sense or just agreeing what their thought process as to why they might burn it? I hear you on motivation, with some it simply does not resonate no matter what you offer them. I am not saying Reichel is that type of person (I do not), and with so few games left and Rockford needing him just does not make sense for me. I might be more inclined to agree if it was the start of the season or a different situation. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 11, 2022 16:31:49 GMT -6
It is pretty good. I think he has a good prospect who could use another half year in the AHL to build strength, continue to work on his defence, and get acclimatized to the pro game. He looks like a future top six. But he is not there yet. If he was there, he would be producing. What's the rush? There is no rush and I have no issues with more seasoning and developing, just wanted to state the kid is having a great season and we should give him props. He has a good head on his shoulder, great attitude and looks like one of Bowman's better draft picks. Unfortunately, we needed more picks like this and similar development paths with other prospects. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 11, 2022 16:58:00 GMT -6
I expect KD and those who agree with him, will point at guys like myself, who howled about Dach burning a year of his elc. now, two years later, it looks like they (Bowman, KD) were right as Dach's next deal won't cost as much...
but, where/are they right? is saving money more important than properly developing prospects? I don't think so.
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Post by BigT on Apr 11, 2022 17:22:27 GMT -6
I believe the newer approach is to burn a year of his ELC. The reason is to get to his 2nd contract quicker and he won’t be as developed and should come cheaper. Plus. It doesn’t hurt to give him a bunch of games right now. He may even start the year next year in the AHL. Also, let’s keep in mind that money is one hell of a motivator. Rychel earning big league coin for a few weeks probably motivates him to get ready this summer for next year. I don’t see no harm at this stage. It should motivate him!!! Big T, I know that is what Charlie R. thinks management's reason for it, but do you believe it yourself as making sound business sense or just agreeing what their thought process as to why they might burn it? I hear you on motivation, with some it simply does not resonate no matter what you offer them. I am not saying Reichel is that type of person (I do not), and with so few games left and Rockford needing him just does not make sense for me. I might be more inclined to agree if it was the start of the season or a different situation. I read about that in the Athletic. My guess is that’s the word around Chicago about his ELC. I think it does make sense. If the Hawks can get 5 years of pretty good salary control, I think that’s the case here. I believe the thinking here is that with the proper development he could be a very good player. If he got 4-5 million on his 2nd contract, it could be a massive bargain. And like Dcat it’ll probably be a 3 year deal too. So that’s probably the thinking there!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 11, 2022 17:26:20 GMT -6
Saturday the 16th will be Reichels 10th game, if they do wanna burn a year he should be sent down after that game and Rockford plays the following Tues with 7 more regular season games.
Maintaining his PPG average he'll set the Hogs rookie record for goals and points.
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Post by steamer on Apr 11, 2022 17:46:40 GMT -6
Reichel reminds me of Teravainen. Roughly the same size, good skater, good sense of what’s going on. T taken 18th overall and LR - 17th.
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Post by Nikos on Apr 11, 2022 18:17:56 GMT -6
Big T, I know that is what Charlie R. thinks management's reason for it, but do you believe it yourself as making sound business sense or just agreeing what their thought process as to why they might burn it? I hear you on motivation, with some it simply does not resonate no matter what you offer them. I am not saying Reichel is that type of person (I do not), and with so few games left and Rockford needing him just does not make sense for me. I might be more inclined to agree if it was the start of the season or a different situation. I read about that in the Athletic. My guess is that’s the word around Chicago about his ELC. I think it does make sense. If the Hawks can get 5 years of pretty good salary control, I think that’s the case here. I believe the thinking here is that with the proper development he could be a very good player. If he got 4-5 million on his 2nd contract, it could be a massive bargain. And like Dcat it’ll probably be a 3 year deal too. So that’s probably the thinking there!!! Even if he does reach the 10 game ELC trigger he will be going back to the AHL for the playoffs likely. I have more of issue with the timing as to why it does not make sense. Saying he will be in his second year of ELC and closer to a bigger payday will motivate him or others bothers me a little. If you create the right culture, set goals and objectives with most players that should be plenty of motivation in addition to money. Most of these kids dream to play in the NHL (especially from outside of North America), having a great work ethic, drive and determination along with positive attitude should be qualities we look for when scouting or acquiring any player in addition to physical talent. I believe Reichel has these qualities along with talent and hockey IQ. He would not be where he is without an inner drive and self-motivation. I see no issue or red flags at this point to question Reichel's motivation. He will train just as hard this summer I believe. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 11, 2022 19:13:44 GMT -6
I expect KD and those who agree with him, will point at guys like myself, who howled about Dach burning a year of his elc. now, two years later, it looks like they (Bowman, KD) were right as Dach's next deal won't cost as much... but, where/are they right? is saving money more important than properly developing prospects? I don't think so. Don’t forget, Dach missed a decent amount of time in Jrs. Then he played a massive 3 games in the farm. I mean, that’s really developing kids! I don’t mind the kid playing right now. Not every kid needs 2 years in the farm!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 11, 2022 19:20:30 GMT -6
I expect KD and those who agree with him, will point at guys like myself, who howled about Dach burning a year of his elc. now, two years later, it looks like they (Bowman, KD) were right as Dach's next deal won't cost as much... but, where/are they right? is saving money more important than properly developing prospects? I don't think so. Don’t forget, Dach missed a decent amount of time in Jrs. Then he played a massive 3 games in the farm. I mean, that’s really developing kids! I don’t mind the kid playing right now. Not every kid needs 2 years in the farm!!! you obviously have to go on a player by player basis, but not letting him set records and make a playoff run Rockford right now is dumb as shit. there is no good reason for him to be playing on a team where half the players have already quit and the coach is probably a dead man walking. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 11, 2022 19:24:59 GMT -6
Don’t forget, Dach missed a decent amount of time in Jrs. Then he played a massive 3 games in the farm. I mean, that’s really developing kids! I don’t mind the kid playing right now. Not every kid needs 2 years in the farm!!! you obviously have to go on a player by player basis, but not letting him set records and make a playoff run Rockford right now is dumb as shit. there is no good reason for him to be playing on a team where half the players have already quit and the coach is probably a dead man walking. can't argue with that. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 11, 2022 19:25:28 GMT -6
Don’t forget, Dach missed a decent amount of time in Jrs. Then he played a massive 3 games in the farm. I mean, that’s really developing kids! I don’t mind the kid playing right now. Not every kid needs 2 years in the farm!!! you obviously have to go on a player by player basis, but not letting him set records and make a playoff run Rockford right now is dumb as shit. there is no good reason for him to be playing on a team where half the players have already quit and the coach is probably a dead man walking. I agree there may be a reason, just not a good one or one that makes a lot of sense. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 11, 2022 20:15:02 GMT -6
Don’t forget, Dach missed a decent amount of time in Jrs. Then he played a massive 3 games in the farm. I mean, that’s really developing kids! I don’t mind the kid playing right now. Not every kid needs 2 years in the farm!!! you obviously have to go on a player by player basis, but not letting him set records and make a playoff run Rockford right now is dumb as shit. there is no good reason for him to be playing on a team where half the players have already quit and the coach is probably a dead man walking. They said he’s going back for the playoffs. I don’t know where, but I read that he too was promised playing time this year from the last guy. I was reading an article on Martin Bormann……. I mean Scam Bowman. The propaganda master. How he would always promise guys certain amounts of playing time so they can reach goals in their contracts. A lot of college guys he’d give ‘em like 100k if they played 10 games or something like that. And that is why you’d see guys forced into the lineup. He promised Mitchell the same thing. Fortunately Mitchell got all of it last year. And was sent back to where he should be for now!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 11, 2022 21:29:40 GMT -6
you obviously have to go on a player by player basis, but not letting him set records and make a playoff run Rockford right now is dumb as shit. there is no good reason for him to be playing on a team where half the players have already quit and the coach is probably a dead man walking. They said he’s going back for the playoffs. I don’t know where, but I read that he too was promised playing time this year from the last guy. I was reading an article on Martin Bormann……. I mean Scam Bowman. The propaganda master. How he would always promise guys certain amounts of playing time so they can reach goals in their contracts. A lot of college guys he’d give ‘em like 100k if they played 10 games or something like that. And that is why you’d see guys forced into the lineup. He promised Mitchell the same thing. Fortunately Mitchell got all of it last year. And was sent back to where he should be for now!!! playoffs are fine. he is doing that regardless. playing in the regular season in games that are big and mean something as far as even making the playoffs are just as big. add on that he could set franchise records, and it makes no sense. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 12, 2022 11:18:59 GMT -6
Thanks for the imput guys. Never thought about Lucas getting more money being up but he also gets a taste of that pay for 9 games has same effect. To me they save a little money if he has one good year and one bad year thats about about it. In 3 years he will be making 4 mil a year if he plays good. If you slide in 3 years he is making a 1 mil. That 3 mil in cap space could be used to get more assets.
As far as Lucas the player I agree with MVR he still needs some work I would also keep him down most of next year let colton ride on his wing. From peeps I know that have watched him(5 game sample) said he could get better on D
but it has improved since begging of year and his board work could use some work. Thanks for the different points of view I am not as scared.
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