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Post by BigT on Jun 10, 2020 20:57:12 GMT -6
Sounds like the Pens will be looking to move Murray after this season. They’ve been talking about it on Spittin Chickletts. Rutherford has come out and said that Jarry deserves to be a starter. So to save money they may have to deal Murray. He only makes 3.75. Which is quite easy for a team to carry. At age 26, his best hockey very well could be ahead of him. You can be assured that they’d love to move him out of conference. I really don’t see them trading Jarry at this point. The Pens have been the league leaders in retooling. They’ve built from within to perfection. Depending what CC would want as in money, it may be best to look at Murray.
Yes he’s an RFA, but how much more could he command? I could see him taking a one year deal to prove himself and he’d be UFA afterwards. Even if he was signed for 5 years 25 million, close to what Binnington got, I feel that would be a bargain for a goalies best years!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jun 11, 2020 8:18:51 GMT -6
Sounds like the Pens will be looking to move Murray after this season. They’ve been talking about it on Spittin Chickletts. Rutherford has come out and said that Jarry deserves to be a starter. So to save money they may have to deal Murray. He only makes 3.75. Which is quite easy for a team to carry. At age 26, his best hockey very well could be ahead of him. You can be assured that they’d love to move him out of conference. I really don’t see them trading Jarry at this point. The Pens have been the league leaders in retooling. They’ve built from within to perfection. Depending what CC would want as in money, it may be best to look at Murray. Yes he’s an RFA, but how much more could he command? I could see him taking a one year deal to prove himself and he’d be UFA afterwards. Even if he was signed for 5 years 25 million, close to what Binnington got, I feel that would be a bargain for a goalies best years!!! Murry's an interesting suggestion,this year's numbers are concerning but his PO performances were a BIG part of the Pens last two cups. I agree that a 26yro,already accomplished GT should have his best play in front of him but it comes down to $$$ and term as it does with every acquisition. The Pens will own his RFA rights and the Pens need early round picks badly,they have neither a 1st OR a 2nd this year,no 3rd or 4th next year and even 2021's 1st and 2nd rounders are conditional. The Pens can reap this reward because they properly developed another young GT,Jarry paid his AHL dues and got his chance while the Hawks have gone with veterans in the role. I know CC has been injured due to the abuse he's endured and that spooked the Org into veteran backups but the Pens went with Murray as a youngster over MAF and now they have another young,home brewed GT ready to go while we still don't really know what we have in Delia or Lankenin(injuries had something to do with him). Whether or not the Hawks re-do CC on a respectable 3-4M deal and give a youngster the backup role or go after a more expensive replacement has to depend on how they see the team over the next few seasons and I'm not sure what they see......I'm not sure what I see either. The upcoming PO games should give us some insight into the value of a few players who have to be decided on. Does CC's play tell us what to expect next season if he stays healthy? Does the play of young RFA's like Strome and Kubalik tell us much about what to expect from them the next few years? Do the young D-men see any PO play to help assess them or does just making the expanded PO field give the FO more cover and complacency? |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 11, 2020 8:36:20 GMT -6
Sounds like the Pens will be looking to move Murray after this season. They’ve been talking about it on Spittin Chickletts. Rutherford has come out and said that Jarry deserves to be a starter. So to save money they may have to deal Murray. He only makes 3.75. Which is quite easy for a team to carry. At age 26, his best hockey very well could be ahead of him. You can be assured that they’d love to move him out of conference. I really don’t see them trading Jarry at this point. The Pens have been the league leaders in retooling. They’ve built from within to perfection. Depending what CC would want as in money, it may be best to look at Murray. Yes he’s an RFA, but how much more could he command? I could see him taking a one year deal to prove himself and he’d be UFA afterwards. Even if he was signed for 5 years 25 million, close to what Binnington got, I feel that would be a bargain for a goalies best years!!! I don't think it's possible: The problem is offer sheet compensation. According to Capfriendly, the only way the 'hawks can pull off an offer sheet is for someone making less than ~1.4M, or more than ~10.5M. Aside from those scenarios they simply don't have the draft picks required. I don't think Murray qualifies for making that little on the low end, and the 'hawks would be nucking futz if they offered him more than Kane & Toews--especially since his numbers thus far--even near-term, are worse than Crawford's. If this was to be pulled off, I think they'd have to trade his rights to us. Then the question is--who do we have that we would be willing to send away that the pens would actually want? I mean, KK and Subban for Murray's rights ain't happening even in an EA sports game  . The only three that come to mind are Debrincat, Murphy, and Saad--and I see problems with all 3. That being said, if it was possible to bring him in through a trade-for-rights and he didn't command that much in RFA/Arbitration, I wouldn't be against the idea. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 11, 2020 13:33:59 GMT -6
Sounds like the Pens will be looking to move Murray after this season. They’ve been talking about it on Spittin Chickletts. Rutherford has come out and said that Jarry deserves to be a starter. So to save money they may have to deal Murray. He only makes 3.75. Which is quite easy for a team to carry. At age 26, his best hockey very well could be ahead of him. You can be assured that they’d love to move him out of conference. I really don’t see them trading Jarry at this point. The Pens have been the league leaders in retooling. They’ve built from within to perfection. Depending what CC would want as in money, it may be best to look at Murray. Yes he’s an RFA, but how much more could he command? I could see him taking a one year deal to prove himself and he’d be UFA afterwards. Even if he was signed for 5 years 25 million, close to what Binnington got, I feel that would be a bargain for a goalies best years!!! Not sure were I mentioned it but I posted about getting Murray, so I'm definitely on board with this. Murray talked about how horrible the fans in Pittsburgh are to him, especially after MAF left. So he wants out and he's now on the trade block, shouldn't take a lot to get his rights and I'd offer 4mill for a couple years but I'd be ok with 5mill for 4-5yrs. Yes he's skinny but he's 6'4" and just entering his prime with 2 Cups. Hawks should definitely inquire about him. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 11, 2020 13:52:12 GMT -6
Good posts gents. It is interesting to see where the team is heading.
With Murray at 26, that’s the age you’d love to have a guy at. I’d have to think they’d want picks and or a prospect. I’d send a 2nd along with that overhyped skinny kid, ya, Sikura. Maybe Crosby makes a player outta him.
This faux playoff will tell a lot. If this squad loses terribly, it’s a bad omen to move forward with. If they lose 3-0 or 3-1, they gotta make wholesale changes. Not just on the ice, we all know this. I can’t help but think it’s more of the same, if not worse. Guys like Kassian will crush many of our guys, plus they have a litany or other guys that are tough. Our D kids will get smashed around and end up with an inferior complex. So getting Murray in the current state would be useless, as he’d end up like CC. So let’s hope we see real change soon!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 11, 2020 15:38:10 GMT -6
Good posts gents. It is interesting to see where the team is heading. With Murray at 26, that’s the age you’d love to have a guy at. I’d have to think they’d want picks and or a prospect. I’d send a 2nd along with that overhyped skinny kid, ya, Sikura. Maybe Crosby makes a player outta him. This faux playoff will tell a lot. If this squad loses terribly, it’s a bad omen to move forward with. If they lose 3-0 or 3-1, they gotta make wholesale changes. Not just on the ice, we all know this. I can’t help but think it’s more of the same, if not worse. Guys like Kassian will crush many of our guys, plus they have a litany or other guys that are tough. Our D kids will get smashed around and end up with an inferior complex. So getting Murray in the current state would be useless, as he’d end up like CC. So let’s hope we see real change soon!!! If there's actual change we'll see Gilbert playing full time, as much as I like Boqvist, Beaudin, and Carlsson, all 3 shouldn't be playing at the same time because we know Keith is playing. Personally I'd keep Carlsson and trade Boqvist or Beaudin. Play a bigger guy with the 3 they role with. And if they'll take Sikura and a 2nd to get Murrays rights they should, maybe offer a 3rd and Sikura first but a 2nd is fair. |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 11, 2020 19:01:30 GMT -6
Love you guys but we gotta stop fooling ourselves about anyone wanting Sikura other than a waiver pick up and I doubt that. If you can't pot one playing with K&T who were having career years,you JUST DON'T BELONG! The Pens need a 1st as I said above,I think they'll want one for Murray and I think they'll get it.
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Post by BigT on Jun 11, 2020 20:42:08 GMT -6
Love you guys but we gotta stop fooling ourselves about anyone wanting Sikura other than a waiver pick up and I doubt that. If you can't pot one playing with K&T who were having career years,you JUST DON'T BELONG! The Pens need a 1st as I said above,I think they'll want one for Murray and I think they'll get it. By the sounds of it, they’re looking to dump Salary. Even if he wants 5 million, the Pens don’t have that. The cap is probably going down, and the teams will either have compliance buyouts, or the players will take a hit. I see both happening. So I’m not sure they’ll get a first for him especially the situation their in, plus this years draft is unbelievably deep. They’re comparing it to 2015, possibly the best of all time. So I just don’t see many if any giving up a first rounder this year. Let’s be real here. Stan just hasn’t and doesn’t pull off trades like that. The last salary dump we got for nothing was Havlat and Stan was background material then. I think Sikura would be someone the Pens would want. They always seem to make chicken salad outta chicken shite. But let’s say they don’t want him. We have other guys they’d want, like Gilbert. I think the Pens would love to have him. He may not be the biggest piece to the puzzle, but every team needs good tough young cheaper players!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 12, 2020 7:59:31 GMT -6
Love you guys but we gotta stop fooling ourselves about anyone wanting Sikura other than a waiver pick up and I doubt that. If you can't pot one playing with K&T who were having career years,you JUST DON'T BELONG! The Pens need a 1st as I said above,I think they'll want one for Murray and I think they'll get it. By the sounds of it, they’re looking to dump Salary. Even if he wants 5 million, the Pens don’t have that. The cap is probably going down, and the teams will either have compliance buyouts, or the players will take a hit. I see both happening. So I’m not sure they’ll get a first for him especially the situation their in, plus this years draft is unbelievably deep. They’re comparing it to 2015, possibly the best of all time. So I just don’t see many if any giving up a first rounder this year. Let’s be real here. Stan just hasn’t and doesn’t pull off trades like that. The last salary dump we got for nothing was Havlat and Stan was background material then. I think Sikura would be someone the Pens would want. They always seem to make chicken salad outta chicken shite. But let’s say they don’t want him. We have other guys they’d want, like Gilbert. I think the Pens would love to have him. He may not be the biggest piece to the puzzle, but every team needs good tough young cheaper players!!! I think a 26yro, two time cup winner would be worth a 1st but who knows what things will look like when transactions resume and who knows what the cap will be. Maybe Murray's .899Sv% this year spooks a few suitors but OTH points out the rough go he's had in Pitt,as far as Sikura.....I doubt the Pens have any interest in even having him in Wilkes-Barrie to be honest. What use would ANY team have for a puiny,25yro wing who puts up modest numbers in the 'A' and none in the glorious opportunity he had with the big club...…..'chicken shit' is a fair analogy! Gilbert being moved is something I've expected.....no surprise there. The 170lb,already concussed, Drake Caggiula will be the only guy to take exception to anything on the squad,he'll be spottin' Kassian 40+ pounds when things resume. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 12, 2020 8:21:14 GMT -6
By the sounds of it, they’re looking to dump Salary. Even if he wants 5 million, the Pens don’t have that. The cap is probably going down, and the teams will either have compliance buyouts, or the players will take a hit. I see both happening. So I’m not sure they’ll get a first for him especially the situation their in, plus this years draft is unbelievably deep. They’re comparing it to 2015, possibly the best of all time. So I just don’t see many if any giving up a first rounder this year. Let’s be real here. Stan just hasn’t and doesn’t pull off trades like that. The last salary dump we got for nothing was Havlat and Stan was background material then. I think Sikura would be someone the Pens would want. They always seem to make chicken salad outta chicken shite. But let’s say they don’t want him. We have other guys they’d want, like Gilbert. I think the Pens would love to have him. He may not be the biggest piece to the puzzle, but every team needs good tough young cheaper players!!! I think a 26yro, two time cup winner would be worth a 1st but who knows what things will look like when transactions resume and who knows what the cap will be. Maybe Murray's .899Sv% this year spooks a few suitors but OTH points out the rough go he's had in Pitt,as far as Sikura.....I doubt the Pens have any interest in even having him in Wilkes-Barrie to be honest. What use would ANY team have for a puiny,25yro wing who puts up modest numbers in the 'A' and none in the glorious opportunity he had with the big club...…..'chicken shit' is a fair analogy! Gilbert being moved is something I've expected.....no surprise there. The 170lb,already concussed, Drake Caggiula will be the only guy to take exception to anything on the squad,he'll be spottin' Kassian 40+ pounds when things resume. I wonder if it’s an organizational move to not play physical or if it’s the players not wanting to? Maybe it’s a mixture of both? Maybe McD was the ring leader of this? We’ll see soon enough. I’m not saying Stan is ok now, or even hedging my bets. But it’s really weird that Stan and McD and everyone in the org seen the blueprint to win. Why the need to change to a total loser design is unreal. I don’t get it. But we will soon enough. If Stan is the architect of this, we’ll see more of the same. I only say this because of the Dach being picked. He was a total surprise. All signs pointed towards Turcotte. A smaller guy from Chicago. Maybe McD had his hand in there too much and forced them to look for another Kane in the draft? It’s a long shot, but I’m still trying to figure out how an org can change to a horrible blueprint!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 12, 2020 8:49:44 GMT -6
I think a 26yro, two time cup winner would be worth a 1st but who knows what things will look like when transactions resume and who knows what the cap will be. Maybe Murray's .899Sv% this year spooks a few suitors but OTH points out the rough go he's had in Pitt,as far as Sikura.....I doubt the Pens have any interest in even having him in Wilkes-Barrie to be honest. What use would ANY team have for a puiny,25yro wing who puts up modest numbers in the 'A' and none in the glorious opportunity he had with the big club...…..'chicken shit' is a fair analogy! Gilbert being moved is something I've expected.....no surprise there. The 170lb,already concussed, Drake Caggiula will be the only guy to take exception to anything on the squad,he'll be spottin' Kassian 40+ pounds when things resume. I wonder if it’s an organizational move to not play physical or if it’s the players not wanting to? Maybe it’s a mixture of both? Maybe McD was the ring leader of this? We’ll see soon enough. I’m not saying Stan is ok now, or even hedging my bets. But it’s really weird that Stan and McD and everyone in the org seen the blueprint to win. Why the need to change to a total loser design is unreal. I don’t get it. But we will soon enough. If Stan is the architect of this, we’ll see more of the same. I only say this because of the Dach being picked. He was a total surprise. All signs pointed towards Turcotte. A smaller guy from Chicago. Maybe McD had his hand in there too much and forced them to look for another Kane in the draft? It’s a long shot, but I’m still trying to figure out how an org can change to a horrible blueprint!!! Team physicality is the 'chicken or the egg' debate we've been having for the last 3-4 years but the thing I've noticed when re-watching the W's from the 10&13 cup runs was how physical the team could be. The 2015 W's start runnin' Monday night so I'll get to see if the team was as physical as the first two but Bickell did lead the entire league in hits despite missing the last few games and Shaw was a healthy,physical beast too. We can debate why the team has avoided physical play but we can't debate the fact that it exists along with a total absence of pack mentality. Can anyone imagine this roster dealing with the physical ONSLAUGHT we saw from the Ducks back in '15'? First it was Q and now McD,who can SB and Scotty blame next time? Dach had a good campaign for a 18/19yro but his offensive number have to improve along with FO's,we'll see who the draft's best players are in the next few years. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 12, 2020 9:00:56 GMT -6
Good posts gents. It is interesting to see where the team is heading. With Murray at 26, that’s the age you’d love to have a guy at. I’d have to think they’d want picks and or a prospect. I’d send a 2nd along with that overhyped skinny kid, ya, Sikura. Maybe Crosby makes a player outta him. This faux playoff will tell a lot. If this squad loses terribly, it’s a bad omen to move forward with. If they lose 3-0 or 3-1, they gotta make wholesale changes. Not just on the ice, we all know this. I can’t help but think it’s more of the same, if not worse. Guys like Kassian will crush many of our guys, plus they have a litany or other guys that are tough. Our D kids will get smashed around and end up with an inferior complex. So getting Murray in the current state would be useless, as he’d end up like CC. So let’s hope we see real change soon!!! The only way the Penguins take Sikura off of our hands is if they clone Stan and give him a job as the Penguins GM. I think the 'hawks would have to send someone out to get Murray who has actual value, not someone from the slag heap like Sikura--in addition to picks. Slag-heap acquisitions is something Stan acquires--not sends out.  I think rights to Murray will require at least a Strome or at most a Saad. |
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Post by shooter61 on Jun 12, 2020 9:18:17 GMT -6
not worth it, we still have CC so why trade what we need more, than GT,is top 6 skaters
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 12, 2020 10:34:48 GMT -6
It was reported a while ago that Crow would sign a 1yr contract at a home town discount, Lyle Richardson of SpectorsHockey said it'll be 4mill with bonuses.
If he does sign that they should still get Murray, That'd be a good tandem and cheaper than Crow and Lehner.
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Post by BigT on Jun 12, 2020 14:40:25 GMT -6
It was reported a while ago that Crow would sign a 1yr contract at a home town discount, Lyle Richardson of SpectorsHockey said it'll be 4mill with bonuses. If he does sign that they should still get Murray, That'd be a good tandem and cheaper than Crow and Lehner. CC made it abundantly clear that he wants to be the starter. If I had to choose CC or Murray. I’d go younger. CC gives us one maybe 2 years on a rebuilding team. Kinda pointless. I doubt Murray is coming here because it’d involve actual hockey knowledge. Rutherford would school Stan!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jun 12, 2020 14:44:07 GMT -6
not worth it, we still have CC so why trade what we need more, than GT,is top 6 skaters We actually don’t have CC. He’s a UFA. He can sign anywhere and probably will if he’s not given the starting position here!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jun 12, 2020 14:47:18 GMT -6
Good posts gents. It is interesting to see where the team is heading. With Murray at 26, that’s the age you’d love to have a guy at. I’d have to think they’d want picks and or a prospect. I’d send a 2nd along with that overhyped skinny kid, ya, Sikura. Maybe Crosby makes a player outta him. This faux playoff will tell a lot. If this squad loses terribly, it’s a bad omen to move forward with. If they lose 3-0 or 3-1, they gotta make wholesale changes. Not just on the ice, we all know this. I can’t help but think it’s more of the same, if not worse. Guys like Kassian will crush many of our guys, plus they have a litany or other guys that are tough. Our D kids will get smashed around and end up with an inferior complex. So getting Murray in the current state would be useless, as he’d end up like CC. So let’s hope we see real change soon!!! The only way the Penguins take Sikura off of our hands is if they clone Stan and give him a job as the Penguins GM. I think the 'hawks would have to send someone out to get Murray who has actual value, not someone from the slag heap like Sikura--in addition to picks. Slag-heap acquisitions is something Stan acquires--not sends out. I think rights to Murray will require at least a Strome or at most a Saad. The Pens said they have to dump salary. They don’t have the luxury of taking back Saad or Strome. Rutherford said it’s probably gonna be a real salary dump where they will want picks and prospects to replenish the cupboards. If they had space, yes they could get a lot more!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 13, 2020 18:35:01 GMT -6
The only way the Penguins take Sikura off of our hands is if they clone Stan and give him a job as the Penguins GM. I think the 'hawks would have to send someone out to get Murray who has actual value, not someone from the slag heap like Sikura--in addition to picks. Slag-heap acquisitions is something Stan acquires--not sends out. I think rights to Murray will require at least a Strome or at most a Saad. The Pens said they have to dump salary. They don’t have the luxury of taking back Saad or Strome. Rutherford said it’s probably gonna be a real salary dump where they will want picks and prospects to replenish the cupboards. If they had space, yes they could get a lot more!!! Even in that case...how many other teams are better positioned? Hell, Detroit has 3 round-2 picks, Howard's a UFA and Bernier's nothing special. Ottawa also has Anderson about to turn UFA/possibly hang 'em up, has 4 2nd round picks, and Hoberg doesn't look like anything special. Both teams are better positioned to blag Murray in that case IMO. They could offer out their own 2nd round pick--a very high one at that, and still have options--or even a conditional one pending Murray signing. All the 'hawks could offer is giving the pens their own 2nd round pick back. I don't think Rutherford has suffered enough cheap hallucinogenic drugs since his childhood to think Sikura's a sweetener. The only positive moving FWD is that Strome, as an RFA, is not arbitration eligible--which might be enticing for a move like that since he could be had cost-controlled or offersheeted if they lowball him. Otherwise your best bet is to get Rutherford drunk and maybe he'll bite on Nylander. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 13, 2020 18:53:34 GMT -6
The Pens said they have to dump salary. They don’t have the luxury of taking back Saad or Strome. Rutherford said it’s probably gonna be a real salary dump where they will want picks and prospects to replenish the cupboards. If they had space, yes they could get a lot more!!! Even in that case...how many other teams are better positioned? Hell, Detroit has 3 round-2 picks, Howard's a UFA and Bernier's nothing special. Ottawa also has Anderson about to turn UFA/possibly hang 'em up, has 4 2nd round picks, and Hoberg doesn't look like anything special. Both teams are better positioned to blag Murray in that case IMO. They could offer out their own 2nd round pick--a very high one at that, and still have options--or even a conditional one pending Murray signing. All the 'hawks could offer is giving the pens their own 2nd round pick back. I don't think Rutherford has suffered enough cheap hallucinogenic drugs since his childhood to think Sikura's a sweetener. The only positive moving FWD is that Strome, as an RFA, is not arbitration eligible--which might be enticing for a move like that since he could be had cost-controlled or offersheeted if they lowball him. Otherwise your best bet is to get Rutherford drunk and maybe he'll bite on Nylander. gotta agree. I don't think we have enough to offer when compared to other teams (like Ottawa and detroit like you mentioned) and I'm not seeing them taking our garbage when they can do better. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 14, 2020 8:11:25 GMT -6
Don’t forget, I doubt they trade him within conference. So look at the west. Most teams have a goalie or can’t afford one. Let’s say it’s not Sikura. I really don’t think Murray garners much more than a 2nd and a prospect. Maybe some team has a 2 first rounders and their willing to part with the later one. When teams know your cash strapped, they don’t really wanna help you out. Maybe Rutherford is that much better than the guy we got and he goes off the rails on a crazy trade and gets a great player and or a good pick? I’m just looking at history, even when we got Havlat, we got him for absolutely nothing. Smarter teams have better fore sight and literally trade guys before their value is nothing, or negative and you have to sweeten a deal. I don’t believe he’s coming to the Hawks. I see a team like Anaheim or SJ or Phoenix or even the Avs will take a run at him. Quality players in their prime don’t get traded here. Stan’s always looking for the best deal ever and it’s just not there. If Stan has to trade Strome and gets not much for him, that’s another trade that he got killed on. He makes too many smaller non impact trades and it really doesn’t do much but hurt chemistry and take another step back!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jun 14, 2020 9:21:02 GMT -6
Don’t forget, I doubt they trade him within conference. So look at the west. Most teams have a goalie or can’t afford one. Let’s say it’s not Sikura. I really don’t think Murray garners much more than a 2nd and a prospect. Maybe some team has a 2 first rounders and their willing to part with the later one. When teams know your cash strapped, they don’t really wanna help you out. Maybe Rutherford is that much better than the guy we got and he goes off the rails on a crazy trade and gets a great player and or a good pick? I’m just looking at history, even when we got Havlat, we got him for absolutely nothing. Smarter teams have better fore sight and literally trade guys before their value is nothing, or negative and you have to sweeten a deal. I don’t believe he’s coming to the Hawks. I see a team like Anaheim or SJ or Phoenix or even the Avs will take a run at him. Quality players in their prime don’t get traded here. Stan’s always looking for the best deal ever and it’s just not there. If Stan has to trade Strome and gets not much for him, that’s another trade that he got killed on. He makes too many smaller non impact trades and it really doesn’t do much but hurt chemistry and take another step back!!! Okay.....It's NOT Sikura!LOL! Vancouver would also be a good landing spot for a young GT and Murray is STILL a young GT. 24yro Demko is the Nucks only GT under contract next year and they lose the 4.8M they were payin' Markstrom and Domingue. No 1st or 2nd makes this tough for the Nucks though. The Preds are in decent shape cap-wise(depending on what it is)with all their important players signed,two 2nds and 2 3rds this summer and Rinne only has one left @5m......is he movable? Dubnyk only has one left for the Wild and the Wild has two 1st rounders. On the other hand,Holtby(30),CC(35),Lehner(28),Anderson(39),Howard(36),Markstrom(30),Talbot(32),Khudobin(34),Condon(30),Smith(38) and Eliott(35) are all UFA's. How much value do Murray's two cups have and does being two or more years(many more in most cases)younger than any of the UFA's make a big difference? |
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Post by BigT on Jun 14, 2020 16:33:00 GMT -6
Don’t forget, I doubt they trade him within conference. So look at the west. Most teams have a goalie or can’t afford one. Let’s say it’s not Sikura. I really don’t think Murray garners much more than a 2nd and a prospect. Maybe some team has a 2 first rounders and their willing to part with the later one. When teams know your cash strapped, they don’t really wanna help you out. Maybe Rutherford is that much better than the guy we got and he goes off the rails on a crazy trade and gets a great player and or a good pick? I’m just looking at history, even when we got Havlat, we got him for absolutely nothing. Smarter teams have better fore sight and literally trade guys before their value is nothing, or negative and you have to sweeten a deal. I don’t believe he’s coming to the Hawks. I see a team like Anaheim or SJ or Phoenix or even the Avs will take a run at him. Quality players in their prime don’t get traded here. Stan’s always looking for the best deal ever and it’s just not there. If Stan has to trade Strome and gets not much for him, that’s another trade that he got killed on. He makes too many smaller non impact trades and it really doesn’t do much but hurt chemistry and take another step back!!! Okay.....It's NOT Sikura!LOL! Vancouver would also be a good landing spot for a young GT and Murray is STILL a young GT. 24yro Demko is the Nucks only GT under contract next year and they lose the 4.8M they were payin' Markstrom and Domingue. No 1st or 2nd makes this tough for the Nucks though. The Preds are in decent shape cap-wise(depending on what it is)with all their important players signed,two 2nds and 2 3rds this summer and Rinne only has one left @5m......is he movable? Dubnyk only has one left for the Wild and the Wild has two 1st rounders. On the other hand,Holtby(30),CC(35),Lehner(28),Anderson(39),Howard(36),Markstrom(30),Talbot(32),Khudobin(34),Condon(30),Smith(38) and Eliott(35) are all UFA's. How much value do Murray's two cups have and does being two or more years(many more in most cases)younger than any of the UFA's make a big difference? All valid questions. Usually we see in a flooded market the price is driven down. If I’m a GM, and I’m going for a Cup now, I’m getting Crawford on a nice one or 2 year deal. I’d think a one year 5 million would get him to come to my team. Especially if my team was literally on the cusp like the Avs or Oilers. Van kinda makes sense, but they do have Dipietro coming. I’ve seen this kid first hand and he’s gonna be good. So do they re-sign Markstrom for a 3 year deal and get Dipietro some reps? Then he can take over at some point soon. So I think Murray’s value won’t be that high. It may be in our best interest to let CC walk if we could land Murray. At 26 he’s got enough time left to go through a 5 year rebuild and still come out of it. If Toews and Kane were to move on ( I wouldn’t do it personally), we could get a kings ransom in return. It would speed up the rebuild super quick(again, I would keep them). If we retained half their salaries, their value just doubled. We could get 4 1st round picks and a bunch of prospects to boot. Plus to get that ransom, we could take back a terrible contract to get it done. All in all, I sure don’t trust the guy at the helm now to anything positive. So all of this ends up being a moot point. Just good banter I guess!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 14, 2020 16:35:08 GMT -6
Don’t forget, I doubt they trade him within conference. So look at the west. Most teams have a goalie or can’t afford one. Let’s say it’s not Sikura. I really don’t think Murray garners much more than a 2nd and a prospect. Maybe some team has a 2 first rounders and their willing to part with the later one. When teams know your cash strapped, they don’t really wanna help you out. Maybe Rutherford is that much better than the guy we got and he goes off the rails on a crazy trade and gets a great player and or a good pick? I’m just looking at history, even when we got Havlat, we got him for absolutely nothing. Smarter teams have better fore sight and literally trade guys before their value is nothing, or negative and you have to sweeten a deal. I don’t believe he’s coming to the Hawks. I see a team like Anaheim or SJ or Phoenix or even the Avs will take a run at him. Quality players in their prime don’t get traded here. Stan’s always looking for the best deal ever and it’s just not there. If Stan has to trade Strome and gets not much for him, that’s another trade that he got killed on. He makes too many smaller non impact trades and it really doesn’t do much but hurt chemistry and take another step back!!! I don't disagree on the last part...and we can blame Stan on the positioning or not but the way the 'hawks are right now, they don't have a lot to offer with respect to Murray--assuming you're thinking just a second and a prospect. Personally, I'm thinking a decent pick and someone NHL-proven. There is a chance that Jarry could pull a Darling where the wheels fall off once he becomes a starter--and I'm sure Rutherford knows that's a possibility as well. Honestly the 'hawks pick pool is rather bleak in these upcoming years. Next year we're missing a 3rd and we've got the Habs' 7th. This year we have the Pens' 7th, plus there's that weird 3rd from calgary which I'm unsure how it will play out or if there's a chance we don't get it since it hinges on Edmonton's pick becoming proper of Calgary due to conditions--plus we don't have our own 2nd or 7th. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 16, 2020 11:48:21 GMT -6
What are the chances the Hawks would consider Askarov in the draft? I don't mean for next year, obviously, but for a little ways down the road as a future high level starter. It would certainly be out of character for the Hawks to take a G in the 1st but from I've read, Askarov seems to be the real thing. I've seen him called the best G prospect in years and a possible franchise type G. Since the Hawks have a big need in net with CC being 35 and no high level future replacement, it made me wonder how the Hawks would view Askarov. They would have to scout him closely since he's the best G prospect in the draft by far as part of their due diligence, and they have a big need in net, but would still pass him up in favor of a position player. About the only scenario where I could see the Hawks taking him might be if the Hawks end up drafting in the 10-12 range, or thereabouts, and the other top players they had their eyes on are gone. I did read one report that thought the Devils could have him on their radar. It’s not out of the question, at all. I’d like to see if a couple of the guys like Perfetti falls. If he falls near where we’re picking, we gotta get that kid. Askarov would not be a terrible choice, he’s been touted for a long time as the next best thing. I guess like you said at the end, gotta see who or what is available!!! I agree, he shouldn't be out of the question at all. With all the shots on goal the Hawks allow, they might need someone like Askarov in net.  He just seems too good a prospect, by most everyone, and with the Hawks big need in net, they have to take a serious look at him. The Hawks would surely have some guys ahead of YA though on their board so we'll just have to see how things fall at the lottery and then the draft. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 16, 2020 14:30:01 GMT -6
agree on Askarov. if the lottery doesn't fall our way (provided we are eligible for it) and depending on who else falls to us, I gotta think Askarov should be high on our watch list. a ton of mocks having the 'hawks taking him in the first round and he would fill a position of need. if they were to draft him and sign Crow for another 2 years this summer, one would think the goaltending position would be set for a while, if he is as advertised.
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 16, 2020 17:34:01 GMT -6
^^
vadarx, I like the idea of CC for a couple more years and getting Askarov and letting him develop a bit longer. I've read he played last year in the VHL, Russia's second tier pro league, as a 17 yr. old and had a SP right at the league average. The report also said 17 yr. old goalies never play in that league.
You make a good point at the last; CC for two more years and Askarov as the heir apparent would settle the goalie position for a while. I hope I'm wrong but what I fear is with the lack of assets Stan has for any trades, the Hawks could end up with someone fairly good but not near at Askarov's talent level, if he does become what everyone thinks he can. And the Hawks are a team that gives up a lot of shots.
I just don't want to see the Hawks goalie situation become a revolving door.
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 17, 2020 7:04:44 GMT -6
I agree Stan won't be going anywhere. I don't see the Hawks keeping him around for the coronavirus playoffs that won't start until August, then canning him either after the Hawks bow out but before an important draft for the Hawks, or waiting until after the draft then get rid of him.
In looking at G's; surely Stan & Co.would look hard at Askarov. They know CC is just a short term guy and when you look at what's in the system, Askarov would be far ahead of all of them talent wise. No offense to Delia and Lankinen but it's hard to see either as a future #1 goalie. Granted we don't know yet what they can do but no one is calling either of them a possible future franchise type G.
As far as trading for a starting G, I still think of how Scott Darling did as a Hawk then how he did at Carolina.
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Post by hsbob on Jun 17, 2020 7:27:46 GMT -6
I agree Stan won't be going anywhere. I don't see the Hawks keeping him around for the coronavirus playoffs that won't start until August, then canning him either after the Hawks bow out but before an important draft for the Hawks, or waiting until after the draft then get rid of him. In looking at G's; surely Stan & Co.would look hard at Askarov. They know CC is just a short term guy and when you look at what's in the system, Askarov would be far ahead of all of them talent wise. No offense to Delia and Lankinen but it's hard to see either as a future #1 goalie. Granted we don't know yet what they can do but no one is calling either of them a possible future franchise type G. As far as trading for a starting G, I still think of how Scott Darling did as a Hawk then how he did at Carolina. Lankinen couldn't have had better credentials coming into last season after his stoning of NHL greats in the WC,he got dinged up and lost in a three-way goaltender CF that helped none of em. Delia looked okay at the NHL level and Lankinen hasn't seen it yet,we'd probably need one as a stop gap between CC and the young Russian if we took him,he'll take a 3-4 years at least IMO. I hope CC hangs around for another year or two myself but there's always a GT' available on the UFA market,there must be a dozen this year. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 17, 2020 9:38:30 GMT -6
I agree Stan won't be going anywhere. I don't see the Hawks keeping him around for the coronavirus playoffs that won't start until August, then canning him either after the Hawks bow out but before an important draft for the Hawks, or waiting until after the draft then get rid of him. In looking at G's; surely Stan & Co.would look hard at Askarov. They know CC is just a short term guy and when you look at what's in the system, Askarov would be far ahead of all of them talent wise. No offense to Delia and Lankinen but it's hard to see either as a future #1 goalie. Granted we don't know yet what they can do but no one is calling either of them a possible future franchise type G. As far as trading for a starting G, I still think of how Scott Darling did as a Hawk then how he did at Carolina. Lankinen couldn't have had better credentials coming into last season after his stoning of NHL greats in the WC,he got dinged up and lost in a three-way goaltender CF that helped none of em. Delia looked okay at the NHL level and Lankinen hasn't seen it yet,we'd probably need one as a stop gap between CC and the young Russian if we took him,he'll take a 3-4 years at least IMO. I hope CC hangs around for another year or two myself but there's always a GT' available on the UFA market,there must be a dozen this year. Lankinen has a good chance to be the backup to CC next season, or two; or maybe longer depending how things go. I'm assuming Subban will be gone so his competition will be Delia. KL's shoulder injury robbed him of some development time. I have seen a few comments that Askarov is a little ahead development wise compared to most goalies at the same stage so maybe he will be ready a little sooner. He turned 18 yesterday. Would a couple of stouts or ales make you feel less bummed out about Stan staying around? |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 17, 2020 10:05:58 GMT -6
Lankinen couldn't have had better credentials coming into last season after his stoning of NHL greats in the WC,he got dinged up and lost in a three-way goaltender CF that helped none of em. Delia looked okay at the NHL level and Lankinen hasn't seen it yet,we'd probably need one as a stop gap between CC and the young Russian if we took him,he'll take a 3-4 years at least IMO. I hope CC hangs around for another year or two myself but there's always a GT' available on the UFA market,there must be a dozen this year. Lankinen has a good chance to be the backup to CC next season, or two; or maybe longer depending how things go. I'm assuming Subban will be gone so his competition will be Delia. KL's shoulder injury robbed him of some development time. I have seen a few comments that Askarov is a little ahead development wise compared to most goalies at the same stage so maybe he will be ready a little sooner. He turned 18 yesterday. Would a couple of stouts or ales make you feel less bummed out about Stan staying around? I think KL might have some mad skills but that's still to be proven. Askarov might make the jump sooner than most but it'll still take three years.....21 is YOUNG for a NHL goaltender. It'll take a case for me! Among other things. |
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. The only three that come to mind are Debrincat, Murphy, and Saad--and I see problems with all 3.
