Bettman Not Sure He'll Let Q Return

[phill9]

If Q isn't allowed back, the idiot GM better not be allowed to return either.

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[BigT]

Touchy subject. On one hand it’s nice to see the league taking this type of thing seriously. On the other hand, Stan or Q were more than likely thinking it was taken care of.

Stan was the GM. He’s more at fault than Q. But if Stans boss said he’d take care of it. That’s not on Q. My only fault to Stan is if something this serious should have been followed up by him.

But because McD was shitcanned never to be seen again. They need another scapegoat.

I am not a fan of Stan. But I think even he should be allowed back in!!!

[OldTimeHawky]

That's complete bs, Q didn't want a known troublemaker to interfere with the 2010 Cup run but he's not to blame.

[hsbob]

Jun 17, 2022 17:31:52 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

That's complete bs, Q didn't want a known troublemaker to interfere with the 2010 Cup run but he's not to blame.

I respect your opinion but let me ask you what Q should have done upon leaving that meeting?.......and let me ask you what you'd have done.
The same goes for the last GM,he was Q's superior but his superior instructed him to go about his business also while the top guy would handle it.

I don't want to absolve Q just because I admire him and YES,Aldrige was on HIS staff. Could he have put his foot down,disagreed with the CEO and said 'I want him off my staff immediately' and gone into the SCF w/o a video coach......he could have. SHOULD he have? Possibly IMO. I personally see what amounts to a one year suspension appropriate for this transgression. 

If this was an ongoing situation where either the last GM or HC had knowledge of and covered it up themselves,I'd see major culpability but both were made aware in a meeting with the team's highest ranking executive who assured everyone in the meeting it'd be handled properly. 

Both were basically forced from the game for a year and lost the resulting salary but it might not be enough since the league can't discipline the one responsible,McD and totally absolves ownership and their ongoing 'we knew nothing' LIE. 

McD's waiting until the SCF was over to report the incident to HR was by far the most egregious action in this whole shit show but WTF did HR do when they got their hands on it? They allowed Aldrege to resign,decided not to go to law enforcement and had their mental skills coach tell the victim he had some responsibility in what happened and I'm gonna believe the director of HR of the Chicago Black Hawks kept this from ownership? Rockwell wrote the Big checks but his and his family's reputation has stayed intact.........BIG CHECKS MATTER!

I have as much or more compassion for victims of sexual assault,sexual abuse and on the job sexual intimidation as the next guy but in this particular instance with this PARTICULAR victim,I didn't want a troublemaker interfering with the 2010 cup run either..........and I'll sleep well at night.

If the game's done with Q,I'm more than likely done with the game.

NOBODY in that meeting went to law enforcement or HR afterward,including the holier than thou ex cop/AC who the victim confided in and the victim himself went to neither......why was that?

[vadarx]

given the history of sexual abuse issues in the game, especially in the lower (younger) levels, and the current hockey Canada case, I am not sure why anyone would be surprised if it was at least a couple years before Q or Bowman or anyone else involved in the Beach case is allowed near the Big League.

one can debate the legitimacy of Q's being shut out of the league, ie "what was he supposed to do?" and I would agree with that, but let's also not pretend like he didn't come across real well in the report (which is why Florida had to do what they did).

also, Bettman is just talking right now, anyway. the issue is still relatively fresh and he is being asked about this at the pinnacle of his league's season. let's see what he says in a few months...

[squishy24]

Jun 18, 2022 9:23:47 GMT -6 hsbob said:

Jun 17, 2022 17:31:52 GMT -6 OldTimeHawky said:

That's complete bs, Q didn't want a known troublemaker to interfere with the 2010 Cup run but he's not to blame.

I respect your opinion but let me ask you what Q should have done upon leaving that meeting?.......and let me ask you what you'd have done.
The same goes for the last GM,he was Q's superior but his superior instructed him to go about his business also while the top guy would handle it.

I don't want to absolve Q just because I admire him and YES,Aldrige was on HIS staff. Could he have put his foot down,disagreed with the CEO and said 'I want him off my staff immediately' and gone into the SCF w/o a video coach......he could have. SHOULD he have? Possibly IMO. I personally see what amounts to a one year suspension appropriate for this transgression. 

If this was an ongoing situation where either the last GM or HC had knowledge of and covered it up themselves,I'd see major culpability but both were made aware in a meeting with the team's highest ranking executive who assured everyone in the meeting it'd be handled properly. 

Both were basically forced from the game for a year and lost the resulting salary but it might not be enough since the league can't discipline the one responsible,McD and totally absolves ownership and their ongoing 'we knew nothing' LIE. 

McD's waiting until the SCF was over to report the incident to HR was by far the most egregious action in this whole shit show but WTF did HR do when they got their hands on it? They allowed Aldrege to resign,decided not to go to law enforcement and had their mental skills coach tell the victim he had some responsibility in what happened and I'm gonna believe the director of HR of the Chicago Black Hawks kept this from ownership? Rockwell wrote the Big checks but his and his family's reputation has stayed intact.........BIG CHECKS MATTER!

I have as much or more compassion for victims of sexual assault,sexual abuse and on the job sexual intimidation as the next guy but in this particular instance with this PARTICULAR victim,I didn't want a troublemaker interfering with the 2010 cup run either..........and I'll sleep well at night.

If the game's done with Q,I'm more than likely done with the game.

NOBODY in that meeting went to law enforcement or HR afterward,including the holier than thou ex cop/AC who the victim confided in and the victim himself went to neither......why was that?

I agree with you but i think theres more to the incident/report of that meeting that we know. It seems like the punishment doesnt fit the crime (of the decision to focus on the cup instead of the sexual abuse).

For example, maybe Q (or SB, or both) said “F Beach, we believe and stand by Aldrige” ultimately being the wrong thing to do. Just an example, making them more guilty of being irresponsible

Also, ive said this before and i’ll say it again, how did Cheveldayoff got out from all the repercussions? Wasnt he in the same room/meeting when they decided to “focus on the cup and deal with the abuse later”?

[T-man2010]

Jun 18, 2022 14:29:01 GMT -6 squishy24 said:

Jun 18, 2022 9:23:47 GMT -6 hsbob said:

I respect your opinion but let me ask you what Q should have done upon leaving that meeting?.......and let me ask you what you'd have done.
The same goes for the last GM,he was Q's superior but his superior instructed him to go about his business also while the top guy would handle it.

I don't want to absolve Q just because I admire him and YES,Aldrige was on HIS staff. Could he have put his foot down,disagreed with the CEO and said 'I want him off my staff immediately' and gone into the SCF w/o a video coach......he could have. SHOULD he have? Possibly IMO. I personally see what amounts to a one year suspension appropriate for this transgression. 

If this was an ongoing situation where either the last GM or HC had knowledge of and covered it up themselves,I'd see major culpability but both were made aware in a meeting with the team's highest ranking executive who assured everyone in the meeting it'd be handled properly. 

Both were basically forced from the game for a year and lost the resulting salary but it might not be enough since the league can't discipline the one responsible,McD and totally absolves ownership and their ongoing 'we knew nothing' LIE. 

McD's waiting until the SCF was over to report the incident to HR was by far the most egregious action in this whole shit show but WTF did HR do when they got their hands on it? They allowed Aldrege to resign,decided not to go to law enforcement and had their mental skills coach tell the victim he had some responsibility in what happened and I'm gonna believe the director of HR of the Chicago Black Hawks kept this from ownership? Rockwell wrote the Big checks but his and his family's reputation has stayed intact.........BIG CHECKS MATTER!

I have as much or more compassion for victims of sexual assault,sexual abuse and on the job sexual intimidation as the next guy but in this particular instance with this PARTICULAR victim,I didn't want a troublemaker interfering with the 2010 cup run either..........and I'll sleep well at night.

If the game's done with Q,I'm more than likely done with the game.

NOBODY in that meeting went to law enforcement or HR afterward,including the holier than thou ex cop/AC who the victim confided in and the victim himself went to neither......why was that?

I agree with you but i think theres more to the incident/report of that meeting that we know. It seems like the punishment doesnt fit the crime (of the decision to focus on the cup instead of the sexual abuse).

For example, maybe Q (or SB, or both) said “F Beach, we believe and stand by Aldrige” ultimately being the wrong thing to do. Just an example, making them more guilty of being irresponsible

Also, ive said this before and i’ll say it again, how did Cheveldayoff got out from all the repercussions? Wasnt he in the same room/meeting when they decided to “focus on the cup and deal with the abuse later”?

Again the Hawks were told they could not go to law enforcement, they would have done nothing.
ONLY the "accuser" being an adult can file any charges. Beach was not a minor, he was 20 yrs old.

Hawks did all legally they could which was fire Aldrich.
Then they gave Beach a 4 year contract, which he couldn't make Q's team.

Now why didn't whoever the guy was that told the team of what happened take Beach to the police?
That guy resigned over the matter and washed his hands clean?
And Sopel and the other players that knew and did nothing for the kid? Why? Until 11 years later.
If those "adults" had helped Beach to the police maybe that 16 year old actual child would have been spared.
A completely F'd up situation gone way worse than it should have.

[hsbob]

Jun 18, 2022 13:48:42 GMT -6 vadarx said:

given the history of sexual abuse issues in the game, especially in the lower (younger) levels, and the current hockey Canada case, I am not sure why anyone would be surprised if it was at least a couple years before Q or Bowman or anyone else involved in the Beach case is allowed near the Big League.

one can debate the legitimacy of Q's being shut out of the league, ie "what was he supposed to do?" and I would agree with that, but let's also not pretend like he didn't come across real well in the report (which is why Florida had to do what they did).

also, Bettman is just talking right now, anyway. the issue is still relatively fresh and he is being asked about this at the pinnacle of his league's season. let's see what he says in a few months...

Ahh,the report! Another check written by the Wirtz's and wouldn't you know it......a favorable outcome for the family and the last GM in a way.

What didn't come across well was the last GM's saying it was supposedly McD and Q who wanted to concentrate on the SCF instead........that was prominently stated by Danny Boy I believe at the same pressed where he attempted to absolve the last GM.

I believe Q resigned after meeting with the league,saving Florida having to do anything but promote Burnette.

We heard from the family saying they knew nothing and Danny Boy himself said 'we believe the SB we know today would have made a different decision' or some bullshit BUT we've head nothing from McD (nit-wit protection....LOL) OR Q. If I'm Q and a "couple more years" of exile,which basically ends my career and could easily cost a first ballot HoF induction if not an all together ban.....I'd have my say! 

[hsbob]

Jun 18, 2022 14:29:01 GMT -6 squishy24 said:

Jun 18, 2022 9:23:47 GMT -6 hsbob said:

I respect your opinion but let me ask you what Q should have done upon leaving that meeting?.......and let me ask you what you'd have done.
The same goes for the last GM,he was Q's superior but his superior instructed him to go about his business also while the top guy would handle it.

I don't want to absolve Q just because I admire him and YES,Aldrige was on HIS staff. Could he have put his foot down,disagreed with the CEO and said 'I want him off my staff immediately' and gone into the SCF w/o a video coach......he could have. SHOULD he have? Possibly IMO. I personally see what amounts to a one year suspension appropriate for this transgression. 

If this was an ongoing situation where either the last GM or HC had knowledge of and covered it up themselves,I'd see major culpability but both were made aware in a meeting with the team's highest ranking executive who assured everyone in the meeting it'd be handled properly. 

Both were basically forced from the game for a year and lost the resulting salary but it might not be enough since the league can't discipline the one responsible,McD and totally absolves ownership and their ongoing 'we knew nothing' LIE. 

McD's waiting until the SCF was over to report the incident to HR was by far the most egregious action in this whole shit show but WTF did HR do when they got their hands on it? They allowed Aldrege to resign,decided not to go to law enforcement and had their mental skills coach tell the victim he had some responsibility in what happened and I'm gonna believe the director of HR of the Chicago Black Hawks kept this from ownership? Rockwell wrote the Big checks but his and his family's reputation has stayed intact.........BIG CHECKS MATTER!

I have as much or more compassion for victims of sexual assault,sexual abuse and on the job sexual intimidation as the next guy but in this particular instance with this PARTICULAR victim,I didn't want a troublemaker interfering with the 2010 cup run either..........and I'll sleep well at night.

If the game's done with Q,I'm more than likely done with the game.

NOBODY in that meeting went to law enforcement or HR afterward,including the holier than thou ex cop/AC who the victim confided in and the victim himself went to neither......why was that?

I agree with you but i think theres more to the incident/report of that meeting that we know. It seems like the punishment doesnt fit the crime (of the decision to focus on the cup instead of the sexual abuse).

For example, maybe Q (or SB, or both) said “F Beach, we believe and stand by Aldrige” ultimately being the wrong thing to do. Just an example, making them more guilty of being irresponsible

Also, ive said this before and i’ll say it again, how did Cheveldayoff got out from all the repercussions? Wasnt he in the same room/meeting when they decided to “focus on the cup and deal with the abuse later”?

Wasn't Bergevin in the meeting too,he was Director of player personnel at the time? Wasn't the indignant,holier than thou  ex cop/AC who the victim actually confided in at that meeting too? What'd he do afterward? Sopel said everybody else knew.......what'd everybody else do? Sopel also said he went directly to McD when he heard and was assured the issue was being handled. Why did Sopel go to McD instead of his GM or his HC,this takes balls no? 

Why is the iron-fisted,control freak CEO telling everyone the issue will be handled properly a legitimate explanation for critics like Sopel and Vincent and everyone else but an inditement  for the GM and the HC? He was their boss too.  

[hsbob]

Jun 18, 2022 18:03:56 GMT -6 T-man2010 said:

Jun 18, 2022 14:29:01 GMT -6 squishy24 said:

I agree with you but i think theres more to the incident/report of that meeting that we know. It seems like the punishment doesnt fit the crime (of the decision to focus on the cup instead of the sexual abuse).

For example, maybe Q (or SB, or both) said “F Beach, we believe and stand by Aldrige” ultimately being the wrong thing to do. Just an example, making them more guilty of being irresponsible

Also, ive said this before and i’ll say it again, how did Cheveldayoff got out from all the repercussions? Wasnt he in the same room/meeting when they decided to “focus on the cup and deal with the abuse later”?

Again the Hawks were told they could not go to law enforcement, they would have done nothing.
ONLY the "accuser" being an adult can file any charges. Beach was not a minor, he was 20 yrs old.

Hawks did all legally they could which was fire Aldrich.
Then they gave Beach a 4 year contract, which he couldn't make Q's team.

Now why didn't whoever the guy was that told the team of what happened take Beach to the police?
That guy resigned over the matter and washed his hands clean?
And Sopel and the other players that knew and did nothing for the kid? Why? Until 11 years later.
If those "adults" had helped Beach to the police maybe that 16 year old actual child would have been spared.
A completely F'd up situation gone way worse than it should have.

I agree with every word with the exception of the Org doing everything it legally could but I'm no legal expert either. From what I understand,McD DID go to the director of HR after the PO's were over and Aldrich WASN'T fired,he was allowed to resign w/o the mention or the black mark of the incident on his record. The Director of HR says he didn't inform ownership that one of their AC's has ben accused of molesting a young player(FUK ME!) and then the skills/mental AC told the young player/victim that he shared responsibility and that young player/victim pursued the matter no further until his career in Europe came to an end. 

This is how I understand the events to have happened and if so,how does the GM and HC at the time pay for the mistakes of the CEO and the Director of HR at the time......the issue was entirely in the hands of the later two and rightly so.  


    

[nighbor]

Human nature being what it is chances are it will happen again.  I hope the league has put in place proper measures on how to deal with it.

[steamer]

Lots of very poor decisions by a number of people including Beach himself.  We probably will never know the "truth" because whomever does start talking will do so from his biased vantage point.  I think Q is more a victim of today's norms surrounding the topic of sexual abuse than because of his actual culpability.  

[BigT]

Jun 19, 2022 11:39:38 GMT -6 nighbor said:

Human nature being what it is chances are it will happen again.  I hope the league has put in place proper measures on how to deal with it.

That’s the problem I see. Even Stan Bowman shouldn’t be thrown to the wolves. I do believe he’s more at fault than Q, due to him being the General Manager. But not booted for life wrong.

McDonough gets off like a condom at a whore house. And everyone else is left holding a bag of rancid shit.

There was a reason he was shitcanned. And a reason no one’s heard from him. What a piece of degenerate shit he was!!!