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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 29, 2022 0:31:44 GMT -6
fun fact o' the day.
jack johnson is 3rd all time in shootout attempts by a defenseman with 41. he's scored 13 goals which has him at 31.7%.
his next attempt will tie him with shattenkirk. he's currently 39 behind letang who has the most.
his 41 attempts would put him 4th all time on the blackhawks behind kane and toews (obviously) and patrick sharp. he would also be 4th in shootout goals behind the same 3.
i was a bit surprised by this to be honest.
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 29, 2022 5:59:19 GMT -6
^^originally in hawks' moves but of course it's not a move so where to put it?
so here we go. the place to put everyday shit, no matter how mundane..
stand back everyone....this thread's going to take off!
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 29, 2022 15:41:27 GMT -6
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 29, 2022 16:49:32 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 29, 2022 16:54:26 GMT -6
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 29, 2022 17:30:02 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 29, 2022 19:10:20 GMT -6
I might have to get a 6 pack, even though I don't drink. |
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Post by shooter61 on Oct 29, 2022 21:03:07 GMT -6
I would get one, but by the time it got to me the cans , be empty
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Post by Tater on Oct 30, 2022 1:41:34 GMT -6
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Post by tincup on Nov 1, 2022 10:17:01 GMT -6
They're trying..... small steps.
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 2, 2022 8:15:26 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Nov 2, 2022 8:44:35 GMT -6
Why then did Dach not see results/improvements? Domi mentioned mental and simple stuff. Makes you wonder. I know he is no longer here, but why did we not see any improvement. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 2, 2022 9:30:09 GMT -6
Why then did Dach not see results/improvements? Domi mentioned mental and simple stuff. Makes you wonder. I know he is no longer here, but why did we not see any improvement. Domi has a few years on Dach. He's probably mentally tougher than dach and can learn faster. |
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Post by tincup on Nov 2, 2022 10:01:40 GMT -6
Why then did Dach not see results/improvements? Domi mentioned mental and simple stuff. Makes you wonder. I know he is no longer here, but why did we not see any improvement. Domi has a few years on Dach. He's probably mentally tougher than dach and can learn faster. I know the older I get the quicker I learn.  |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 2, 2022 19:00:08 GMT -6
Domi has a few years on Dach. He's probably mentally tougher than dach and can learn faster. I know the older I get the quicker I learn. to a point that's correct. but for some reason you hit a pinnacle (for me it was about 54* years), and then you start heading the other way again, and alarmingly fast. * - your results may vary. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 2, 2022 19:08:17 GMT -6
Why then did Dach not see results/improvements? Domi mentioned mental and simple stuff. Makes you wonder. I know he is no longer here, but why did we not see any improvement. good question. i'll always like kirby but in a way i'm glad he's off the team because seeing domi's numbers skyrocket here and having to see kirby's numbers stagnate, well it would be even more frustrating than it usually is. i think montreal has him playing on the wing this year. he's 5th in draws taken with 48 but the 4 guys ahead of him are all well over 100 draws each. it's also very telling that 47 of his 48 draws were at even strength. kirby's won 37.5% of the draws he's taken this year, a slight improvement on his career number of 34.7%. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 2, 2022 20:03:20 GMT -6
To my eye (and I am no expert), Dach's problem on draws was primarily bad approach/technique.
He stood at the faceoff circle far too erect while most of his opponents bent at the knees and seemed much lower to the ice. His feet never seemed planted or far enough apart.
I really don't get why the coaches could not get him figured out. Was he a stubborn kid who did not listen, or was it something else?
Whatever the case, if Dach could not win a faceoff, he could not play centre. If he could not be a centre, his value to the team collapses. Wingers without a strong power game are not hard to replace.
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 3, 2022 2:40:18 GMT -6
To my eye (and I am no expert), Dach's problem on draws was primarily bad approach/technique. He stood at the faceoff circle far too erect while most of his opponents bent at the knees and seemed much lower to the ice. His feet never seemed planted or far enough apart. I really don't get why the coaches could not get him figured out. Was he a stubborn kid who did not listen, or was it something else? Whatever the case, if Dach could not win a faceoff, he could not play centre. If he could not be a centre, his value to the team collapses. Wingers without a strong power game are not hard to replace. good points. i don't think he would have been a top 10 pick if he was stubborn and wouldn't listen. these scouts do their due diligence especially with first rounders. so why then? i don't have a hot clue... |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 3, 2022 9:42:27 GMT -6
To my eye (and I am no expert), Dach's problem on draws was primarily bad approach/technique. He stood at the faceoff circle far too erect while most of his opponents bent at the knees and seemed much lower to the ice. His feet never seemed planted or far enough apart. I really don't get why the coaches could not get him figured out. Was he a stubborn kid who did not listen, or was it something else? Whatever the case, if Dach could not win a faceoff, he could not play centre. If he could not be a centre, his value to the team collapses. Wingers without a strong power game are not hard to replace. I agree MVR and recall how he stood to erect; you would think if we can see that everyone else should as well. Would seem like a simple thing to correct right. Anyway, he is gone and wish him the best. |
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Post by phill9 on Nov 3, 2022 9:47:54 GMT -6
Why then did Dach not see results/improvements? Domi mentioned mental and simple stuff. Makes you wonder. I know he is no longer here, but why did we not see any improvement. I wonder if height has anything to do with it? At 6'4" and Dach standing erect on faceoffs takes away any leverage he may get. While Domi at 5'9" is already lower to the ice surface, and uses his frame better. So he was able to improve with guidance and Dach didn't. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 3, 2022 9:48:37 GMT -6
To my eye (and I am no expert), Dach's problem on draws was primarily bad approach/technique. He stood at the faceoff circle far too erect while most of his opponents bent at the knees and seemed much lower to the ice. His feet never seemed planted or far enough apart. I really don't get why the coaches could not get him figured out. Was he a stubborn kid who did not listen, or was it something else? Whatever the case, if Dach could not win a faceoff, he could not play centre. If he could not be a centre, his value to the team collapses. Wingers without a strong power game are not hard to replace. I agree MVR and recall how he stood to erect; you would think if we can see that everyone else should as well. Would seem like a simple thing to correct right. Anyway, he is gone and wish him the best. That should have been corrected in peewee hockey or juniors. Not in pro hockey, there it should be refined. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 3, 2022 9:49:37 GMT -6
Why then did Dach not see results/improvements? Domi mentioned mental and simple stuff. Makes you wonder. I know he is no longer here, but why did we not see any improvement. I wonder if height has anything to do with it? At 6'4" and Dach standing erect on faceoffs takes away any leverage he may get. While Domi at 5'9" is already lower to the ice surface, and uses his frame better. So he was able to improve with guidance and Dach didn't. Toews is 6'4" and he learned when real young. |
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Post by phill9 on Nov 3, 2022 9:53:51 GMT -6
I wonder if height has anything to do with it? At 6'4" and Dach standing erect on faceoffs takes away any leverage he may get. While Domi at 5'9" is already lower to the ice surface, and uses his frame better. So he was able to improve with guidance and Dach didn't. Toews is 6'4" and he learned when real young. Toews is listed at 6'2". But really just pointing at Dachs failure and the fact mentioned that he stands erect. I'm sure there are many centers 6'4" or taller who have been far better at faceoffs. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 3, 2022 9:59:49 GMT -6
Toews is 6'4" and he learned when real young. Toews is listed at 6'2". But really just pointing at Dachs failure and the fact mentioned that he stands erect. I'm sure there are many centers 6'4" or taller who have been far better at faceoffs. Like I said just above my post, dach should have been taught this stuff when he was in peewee hockey, not the pro's where he gets millions of dollars. |
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Post by phill9 on Nov 3, 2022 10:27:15 GMT -6
Toews is listed at 6'2". But really just pointing at Dachs failure and the fact mentioned that he stands erect. I'm sure there are many centers 6'4" or taller who have been far better at faceoffs. Like I said just above my post, dach should have been taught this stuff when he was in peewee hockey, not the pro's where he gets millions of dollars. I saw your post after I typed and posted mine. I'm not denying what you say. But you did say Toews was 6'4" like Dach and that was not accurate. |
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Post by steamer on Nov 3, 2022 10:42:28 GMT -6
I could see where height could be a detriment but not something that couldn’t be overcome and like T-man said, should have been addressed long before Dach became a Hawk.
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Post by steamer on Nov 3, 2022 10:49:57 GMT -6
In looking at the current top 10 for this season, Domi is the only “short” player on the list. The average size seems to be Kopitar, Benn and Bergeron while Johansen and Pinto are both 6’3”.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 3, 2022 11:51:26 GMT -6
Why then did Dach not see results/improvements? Domi mentioned mental and simple stuff. Makes you wonder. I know he is no longer here, but why did we not see any improvement. I wonder if height has anything to do with it? At 6'4" and Dach standing erect on faceoffs takes away any leverage he may get. While Domi at 5'9" is already lower to the ice surface, and uses his frame better. So he was able to improve with guidance and Dach didn't. When you're Max's height every inch matters, he's 5'10", but he's also 194lbs and has a good center of gravity, great for faceoffs. Especially when he's taught from one of the best and listens. Kirby didn't listen and pouted to the media when he was put on the wing. His 1g in 10gms and playing on the wing when the Habs were expecting a top6 C is going to get ugly in Montreal. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 3, 2022 12:05:36 GMT -6
I wonder if height has anything to do with it? At 6'4" and Dach standing erect on faceoffs takes away any leverage he may get. While Domi at 5'9" is already lower to the ice surface, and uses his frame better. So he was able to improve with guidance and Dach didn't. When you're Max's height every inch matters, he's 5'10", but he's also 194lbs and has a good center of gravity, great for faceoffs. Especially when he's taught from one of the best and listens. Kirby didn't listen and pouted to the media when he was put on the wing. His 1g in 10gms and playing on the wing when the Habs were expecting a top6 C is going to get ugly in Montreal. I hate to say it. But Dach was a shitty pick. If he’s a 3rd liner, that’s a massive bonus. We all know Byram was the guy. He’d be a lot more if not stuck behind the wall of dmen in Colorado!!! |
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Post by BigT on Nov 3, 2022 12:10:25 GMT -6
I agree MVR and recall how he stood to erect; you would think if we can see that everyone else should as well. Would seem like a simple thing to correct right. Anyway, he is gone and wish him the best. That should have been corrected in peewee hockey or juniors. Not in pro hockey, there it should be refined. My boy is in peewee minor. So the 1st of 2 years in peewee. There’s not much correcting going on. Most coaches are parents and they’re there to make sure their kid is on the team, first and foremost. I’ve seen my boy do the “Michigan” goal. Make passes that would have Datsyuk come out of his seat. And yet. He sits on the pp due to all 3 coaches kids out there…….. and they get scored on. Like most sports the parents are ruining it. We’re supposed to have a “no parents” approach to coaching. Yet, here we are and the best players are suffering!!! |
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