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Post by hsbob on Nov 23, 2022 10:33:59 GMT -6
I recall back when Dach made the team @18(WHY?),many of us felt he'd be best served on JT's wing for a year or two mostly because he was YET to win half his draws at any level. Taking the occasional FO on his strong side might have given him some confidence and NOT having a center's defensive responsibilities so early undoubtedly would have resulted in better offensive numbers. It was rumored he didn't want to play wing here........why did that matter? Montreal's GM made sure to mention 'they had a different developmental path' for the 21yro after the trade and it looks like either or all of St-Louis,Lapointe and Lecavalier convinced the kid to play where he's best suited. Wouldn't a new and more capable HC here have been a fresh start? If 21 is too old for the current rebuild plan......why am I still paying attention?LOL!Call it a hunch, but it's likely the same reason that Ladd in all likelihood did much better moving the the 'hawks than he would have staying with Carolina even with the 2008 coaching change. Sometimes players need a *complete* change of scenery...not just a partial one. I cannot prove it as anything more than a gut feeling, but I really think Dach needed that complete change of scenery. I really don't think he'd be sitting on 4G/16P if he stuck with the 'hawks as they are now. Even if he was able to dent the twine as well as he has been for the habs, his point total would suffer because the 'hawks team O distills goatloads and is dead fucking last in the league as of this post. The trade is w/o a doubt is good for Dach as was the trade to TB good for Hagle and the picks coming back probably fit the timetable here better than players in their early 20's. Both young forwards now see time on their team's top line.........well deserved time,neither would produce the same numbers on this and maybe the next few year's Hawks teams. I won't pretend I was Dach's biggest fan,but I never once criticized him without mentioning his age,he's still 21 for two more months. Both trades benefitted all three teams and both young players,I like Hagle as much as ever but two 1st's for him was unimaginable going into last year and a 1st and a 3rd was a good return for Dach,partially because I'm not sure Chicago saw the player Dach could be like Montreal did. I mentioned what the Habs GM said after the trade at the draft about seeing a different development path for him and how couldn't you? They knew how he was rushed into a 1LC/2LC spot at 18 and again at 19,both times after serious injuries but they saw a gangly 21yro still growing into that big frame that at least learned how to play defensively here in his mis-assigned center duties. The Habs get a power winger who easily skates with their best players for 3.36M the next four years who still has an outside chance to become a center @21 W/O parting with either of their two 1st's in this year's deep draft. He'll still be a RFA at the end of his bridge deal too. |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 23, 2022 10:48:02 GMT -6
Call it a hunch, but it's likely the same reason that Ladd in all likelihood did much better moving the the 'hawks than he would have staying with Carolina even with the 2008 coaching change. Sometimes players need a *complete* change of scenery...not just a partial one. I cannot prove it as anything more than a gut feeling, but I really think Dach needed that complete change of scenery. I really don't think he'd be sitting on 4G/16P if he stuck with the 'hawks as they are now. Even if he was able to dent the twine as well as he has been for the habs, his point total would suffer because the 'hawks team O distills goatloads and is dead fucking last in the league as of this post. The trade is w/o a doubt is good for Dach as was the trade to TB good for Hagle and the picks coming back probably fit the timetable here better than players in their early 20's. Both young forwards now see time on their team's top line.........well deserved time,neither would produce the same numbers on this and maybe the next few year's Hawks teams. I won't pretend I was Dach's biggest fan,but I never once criticized him without mentioning his age,he's still 21 for two more months. Both trades benefitted all three teams and both young players,I like Hagle as much as ever but two 1st's for him was unimaginable going into last year and a 1st and a 3rd was a good return for Dach,partially because I'm not sure Chicago saw the player Dach could be like Montreal did. I mentioned what the Habs GM said after the trade at the draft about seeing a different development path for him and how couldn't you? They knew how he was rushed into a 1LC/2LC spot at 18 and again at 19,both times after serious injuries but they saw a gangly 21yro still growing into that big frame that at least learned how to play defensively here in his mis-assigned center duties. The Habs get a power winger who easily skates with their best players for 3.36M the next four years who still has an outside chance to become a center @21 W/O parting with either of their two 1st's in this year's deep draft. He'll still be a RFA at the end of his bridge deal too. on Dach, I kinda wonder if Chicago did see that player, but the player himself didn't want to go that route. perhaps his being traded motivated him to change his thinking... |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 23, 2022 12:07:37 GMT -6
Call it a hunch, but it's likely the same reason that Ladd in all likelihood did much better moving the the 'hawks than he would have staying with Carolina even with the 2008 coaching change. Sometimes players need a *complete* change of scenery...not just a partial one. I cannot prove it as anything more than a gut feeling, but I really think Dach needed that complete change of scenery. I really don't think he'd be sitting on 4G/16P if he stuck with the 'hawks as they are now. Even if he was able to dent the twine as well as he has been for the habs, his point total would suffer because the 'hawks team O distills goatloads and is dead fucking last in the league as of this post. The trade is w/o a doubt is good for Dach as was the trade to TB good for Hagle and the picks coming back probably fit the timetable here better than players in their early 20's. Both young forwards now see time on their team's top line.........well deserved time,neither would produce the same numbers on this and maybe the next few year's Hawks teams. I won't pretend I was Dach's biggest fan,but I never once criticized him without mentioning his age,he's still 21 for two more months. Both trades benefitted all three teams and both young players,I like Hagle as much as ever but two 1st's for him was unimaginable going into last year and a 1st and a 3rd was a good return for Dach,partially because I'm not sure Chicago saw the player Dach could be like Montreal did. I mentioned what the Habs GM said after the trade at the draft about seeing a different development path for him and how couldn't you? They knew how he was rushed into a 1LC/2LC spot at 18 and again at 19,both times after serious injuries but they saw a gangly 21yro still growing into that big frame that at least learned how to play defensively here in his mis-assigned center duties. The Habs get a power winger who easily skates with their best players for 3.36M the next four years who still has an outside chance to become a center @21 W/O parting with either of their two 1st's in this year's deep draft. He'll still be a RFA at the end of his bridge deal too. See below... The trade is w/o a doubt is good for Dach as was the trade to TB good for Hagle and the picks coming back probably fit the timetable here better than players in their early 20's. Both young forwards now see time on their team's top line.........well deserved time,neither would produce the same numbers on this and maybe the next few year's Hawks teams. I won't pretend I was Dach's biggest fan,but I never once criticized him without mentioning his age,he's still 21 for two more months. Both trades benefitted all three teams and both young players,I like Hagle as much as ever but two 1st's for him was unimaginable going into last year and a 1st and a 3rd was a good return for Dach,partially because I'm not sure Chicago saw the player Dach could be like Montreal did. I mentioned what the Habs GM said after the trade at the draft about seeing a different development path for him and how couldn't you? They knew how he was rushed into a 1LC/2LC spot at 18 and again at 19,both times after serious injuries but they saw a gangly 21yro still growing into that big frame that at least learned how to play defensively here in his mis-assigned center duties. The Habs get a power winger who easily skates with their best players for 3.36M the next four years who still has an outside chance to become a center @21 W/O parting with either of their two 1st's in this year's deep draft. He'll still be a RFA at the end of his bridge deal too. on Dach, I kinda wonder if Chicago did see that player, but the player himself didn't want to go that route. perhaps his being traded motivated him to change his thinking... I'm not quite sure that Dach didn't want to go down that route. I'm just spitballing here, but I think for Dach it might have been simply that there was a LOT of pressure on him for the 'hawks, while for the Habs there's maybe less pressure. Maybe not from the rabid Habs fans, but on the team. The Habs have Suzuki who's the guy, as well as Caufield. For Chicago Dach was all but penciled in to being the next guy once Toews takes off the indianhead sweater. Dach was pushed into the lineup at 18, had his share of injuries, and even with the regime change there was still that expectation on him being a 3rd overall and I would guess the expectation he'd follow in Toews' footsteps...even though he was just thrown to the wolves here rather than developed. I think for Chicago the damage was done. Maybe part of it was on Dach, maybe not; I don't know. Some guys thrive being the guy, some guys do their best when they'd second banana. All of this is speculation though. Dach still has a shot to become what we hoped he would be--he is still young after all and some guys are late bloomers. Plus, I think the Habs' system is in a better place than ours is at the moment which is more conducive to Dach's development in my opinion. We're *just* in the initial phases of the rebuild--if we could be said to have even started yet given how few any pieces who we'd project to be part of that next gen core are even playing at the NHL level yet. As mvr said earlier: And I think that would indeed be the case. Looking at the 'hawks this year Dach would be leading the team in points as things stand now. As it is on the Habs there are 2 guys with more points than him, and with 3/4 of Dach's points being assists, even if his goal output was the same, his point totals would tank since both Suzuki and Caufield are scoring more than *any* of the 'hawks. Dach is playing with guys who could pull his game along. I'm not seeing the same for Chciago. I think for the whole Dach situation the best thing was to kick the can down the road for us, and let Dach try to pull a Ladd elsewhere while the 'hawks take some Kaopectate to get their shit together over the next few seasons. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 23, 2022 12:10:25 GMT -6
The trade is w/o a doubt is good for Dach as was the trade to TB good for Hagle and the picks coming back probably fit the timetable here better than players in their early 20's. Both young forwards now see time on their team's top line.........well deserved time,neither would produce the same numbers on this and maybe the next few year's Hawks teams. I won't pretend I was Dach's biggest fan,but I never once criticized him without mentioning his age,he's still 21 for two more months. Both trades benefitted all three teams and both young players,I like Hagle as much as ever but two 1st's for him was unimaginable going into last year and a 1st and a 3rd was a good return for Dach,partially because I'm not sure Chicago saw the player Dach could be like Montreal did. I mentioned what the Habs GM said after the trade at the draft about seeing a different development path for him and how couldn't you? They knew how he was rushed into a 1LC/2LC spot at 18 and again at 19,both times after serious injuries but they saw a gangly 21yro still growing into that big frame that at least learned how to play defensively here in his mis-assigned center duties. The Habs get a power winger who easily skates with their best players for 3.36M the next four years who still has an outside chance to become a center @21 W/O parting with either of their two 1st's in this year's deep draft. He'll still be a RFA at the end of his bridge deal too. on Dach, I kinda wonder if Chicago did see that player, but the player himself didn't want to go that route. perhaps his being traded motivated him to change his thinking... The Hawks looked more interested in making him a center,often going up against opponent's #1's & #2's @18 and 19........injuries and struggles be dammed. IMO,19yro's should be told where to play by their HC........it looks like Marty and the Habs' staff had no trouble convincing him. |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 23, 2022 14:36:35 GMT -6
on Dach, I kinda wonder if Chicago did see that player, but the player himself didn't want to go that route. perhaps his being traded motivated him to change his thinking... The Hawks looked more interested in making him a center,often going up against opponent's #1's & #2's @18 and 19........injuries and struggles be dammed. IMO,19yro's should be told where to play by their HC........it looks like Marty and the Habs' staff had no trouble convincing him. who do you suppose was telling the HC to play him at center? Dach himself stated he saw himself as a center and his boss's boss was telling him he was right... Dach went to Montreal and was given a new deal there. I'm sure part of that new deal was him being open to switching positions. I would lay the majority of the blame at the feet of the previous regime here, but some of it belongs to the player as well. regardless, he isn't here anymore, so I'm not gonna concern myself with that whole mess anymore. here's hoping Frankie makes everyone forget about him completely, besides the occasional "can you believe we got him for that guy?"... |
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Post by steamer on Nov 23, 2022 17:44:09 GMT -6
We’ll get a chance to see him play his old team on Friday and it will be interesting to see him on wing and overall to what extent his game has changed.
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Post by mvr on Nov 24, 2022 6:54:15 GMT -6
Playing wing is a much easier assignment. Far fewer defensive responsibilities. No faceoffs. Much less geography to cover.
I'm not surprised at all Dach is succeeding on the wing, especially playing with his present linemates.
Good for him. But I also think his value as a prospect has largely plateaued unless he learns to take a faceoff or use his body to deliver big hits with consistency. It is not that difficult to find wingers who can score 50-60 points a year. There are similar players available each UFA period (and certainly in the draft).
Spending big cap space on wingers makes little sense unless the player is truly a game breaker like Kane or Hossa. Dach's likely future is as a journeyman who plays on several teams (such Kessell or Athanasiou).
Teams draft and attempt to develop centres knowing they can always switch the player to wing if he fails down the middle.
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Post by hsbob on Nov 24, 2022 11:05:36 GMT -6
The Hawks looked more interested in making him a center,often going up against opponent's #1's & #2's @18 and 19........injuries and struggles be dammed. IMO,19yro's should be told where to play by their HC........it looks like Marty and the Habs' staff had no trouble convincing him. who do you suppose was telling the HC to play him at center? Dach himself stated he saw himself as a center and his boss's boss was telling him he was right... Dach went to Montreal and was given a new deal there. I'm sure part of that new deal was him being open to switching positions. I would lay the majority of the blame at the feet of the previous regime here, but some of it belongs to the player as well. regardless, he isn't here anymore, so I'm not gonna concern myself with that whole mess anymore. here's hoping Frankie makes everyone forget about him completely, besides the occasional "can you believe we got him for that guy?"... The jury will be out on the trade for a few years to come and nothing about the team concerns me anymore. S Jones is the only player in last night's lineup that'll be here(due to un-tradability) when Frankie and the boys are ready to lead us back to glory........it'll be easier to stay engaged when I finally see some kids. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 24, 2022 11:29:46 GMT -6
Playing wing is a much easier assignment. Far fewer defensive responsibilities. No faceoffs. Much less geography to cover. I'm not surprised at all Dach is succeeding on the wing, especially playing with his present linemates. Good for him. But I also think his value as a prospect has largely plateaued unless he learns to take a faceoff or use his body to deliver big hits with consistency. It is not that difficult to find wingers who can score 50-60 points a year. There are similar players available each UFA period (and certainly in the draft). Spending big cap space on wingers makes little sense unless the player is truly a game breaker like Kane or Hossa. Dach's likely future is as a journeyman who plays on several teams (such Kessell or Athanasiou). Teams draft and attempt to develop centres knowing they can always switch the player to wing if he fails down the middle. Still 21 and yet to grow into that big body,complimenting the Habs' 1st line nicely and on pace for a career year but maybe you're right,his value has plateaued and his future IS likely as a journeyman........we'll revisit it. 3.3M is big cap space? Similar players are available on the UFA market every year? Not @21 years old there aren't......26 maybe. In the draft,once again......maybe.
A top tier 1LC is without a doubt the marque piece for a franchise,as is a top tier #1 D-man as you point out but forsake the rest of the roster in a never ending hunt for a 1LC and you end up with what 'Evil Orval' called a 'helicopter line'. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 24, 2022 11:41:46 GMT -6
Valid points here. One thing to keep in mind. You can go crazy searching for that certain positional player. If it’s not there, it’s just not there. While I do agree that getting a number 1 Center and Dman is very important. You just can’t make it happen. Hawks easily could a went with Turris, and big lanky center that could score. But instead they went with a small winger that can score. So the right move isn’t always positional. Kane wasn’t a slam dunk at #1. He sure became it. But looking back at that draft, it took a lot of balls to take the smaller scoring winger.
As far as Dach goes. I’m happy he’s having success finally. I agree with Lordy that he needed that change of scenery to be his kick in the ass. Plus sometimes playing among legends is tough to do. The Habs are fairing really good cuz it’s a collection of younger players that are really coming into their own. I think that atmosphere is easier for younger kids than it is to break into a team full of vets that are absolute legends.
I can also see Dach becoming much more than a 50 point guy. I could see 70-75 points for him on that team. A lot of their kids haven’t even caught stride yet, so it’s only inevitable that when the team does better so will he!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 24, 2022 12:49:13 GMT -6
who do you suppose was telling the HC to play him at center? Dach himself stated he saw himself as a center and his boss's boss was telling him he was right... Dach went to Montreal and was given a new deal there. I'm sure part of that new deal was him being open to switching positions. I would lay the majority of the blame at the feet of the previous regime here, but some of it belongs to the player as well. regardless, he isn't here anymore, so I'm not gonna concern myself with that whole mess anymore. here's hoping Frankie makes everyone forget about him completely, besides the occasional "can you believe we got him for that guy?"... The jury will be out on the trade for a few years to come and nothing about the team concerns me anymore. S Jones is the only player in last night's lineup that'll be here(due to un-tradability) when Frankie and the boys are ready to lead us back to glory........it'll be easier to stay engaged when I finally see some kids. I noticed a video on YouTube that said Chicago got fleeced in the Dach trade. That's a dumb thing to say when Dach has only played a quarter of a season and the two guys traded for him were drafted last summer and only 18. He basically said Nazar getting cut last summer from the World Juniors shows he's not that good, and he never mentioned Gavin Hayes, who has top9 potential. So yeah it'll be a few years till we know who won this trade. |
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Post by mvr on Nov 24, 2022 15:06:46 GMT -6
Davidson got a mid-first rounder and a lottery pick for Dach. Three or four years from now, what would the player be worth in a trade?
My guess is - not much more, even if he reaches that 60-65 point potential we all think he can.
If he is not a centre, he is just not worth the time and investment for a rebuilding team, especially as Dach approaches those high salary years at the end of his bridge contract. Now my opinion would change if Dach starts using his physicality and turns into a Marian Hossa two-way force. Or if he learns how to take a draw and develop into that centre we once hoped he could......
It could happen. But not likely. Those types of players are exceptionally difficult to find.
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Post by Nikos on Nov 24, 2022 15:25:29 GMT -6
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Post by mvr on Nov 24, 2022 15:26:43 GMT -6
Big T makes a good point about Patrick Kane, who plays wing.
Of course there are star wingers in the league who bring tremendous value to organizations. Typically, these players must be world class in at least a few areas to be worth investing core dollars long term.
Kane is the best puck distributor in the game - he has that accurate shot, and he can carry the puck like a centre. Hossa brought an elite two-way game along with physicality in the corners and legit scoring upside.
There are a few others in the game who play wing and should be considered core players. Ovechkin comes to mind. Certainly Marner is another as are the Tkachuk brothers. But as a general rule, a smart general manager avoids investing long term at this position.
When Patrick Sharp first came to the Hawks, he played centre and was very good at it. Towards the second half of his career, Coach Quenneville shifted him to the wing. To my mind, the former general manager (whose name slips the mind) made a huge mistake overvaluing Sharp for that subsequent contract. He was no longer a centre and should not have been valued as one. As Sharp's game inevitably quieted down, the player's value measured against his cap collapsed. The Hawks had to bribe Dallas to take him away.
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Post by Nikos on Nov 24, 2022 18:40:54 GMT -6
Big T makes a good point about Patrick Kane, who plays wing. Of course there are star wingers in the league who bring tremendous value to organizations. Typically, these players must be world class in at least a few areas to be worth investing core dollars long term. Kane is the best puck distributor in the game - he has that accurate shot, and he can carry the puck like a centre. Hossa brought an elite two-way game along with physicality in the corners and legit scoring upside. There are a few others in the game who play wing and should be considered core players. Ovechkin comes to mind. Certainly Marner is another as are the Tkachuk brothers. But as a general rule, a smart general manager avoids investing long term at this position. When Patrick Sharp first came to the Hawks, he played centre and was very good at it. Towards the second half of his career, Coach Quenneville shifted him to the wing. To my mind, the former general manager (whose name slips the mind) made a huge mistake overvaluing Sharp for that subsequent contract. He was no longer a centre and should not have been valued as one. As Sharp's game inevitably quieted down, the player's value measured against his cap collapsed. The Hawks had to bribe Dallas to take him away. Panarin might be another one, the Dallas kid Jason Robertson looks to be on the cusp. |
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Post by hawks27 on Nov 24, 2022 18:43:06 GMT -6
As I recall, a guy named Bobby came up to the Blackhawks as a center. He was moved to LW and I think he did "ok" there. Someone should have pointed that out to Dach, it might have made him more open to the move from C to W.
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Post by vadarx on Nov 24, 2022 19:24:34 GMT -6
The jury will be out on the trade for a few years to come and nothing about the team concerns me anymore. S Jones is the only player in last night's lineup that'll be here(due to un-tradability) when Frankie and the boys are ready to lead us back to glory........it'll be easier to stay engaged when I finally see some kids. I noticed a video on YouTube that said Chicago got fleeced in the Dach trade. That's a dumb thing to say when Dach has only played a quarter of a season and the two guys traded for him were drafted last summer and only 18. He basically said Nazar getting cut last summer from the World Juniors shows he's not that good, and he never mentioned Gavin Hayes, who has top9 potential. So yeah it'll be a few years till we know who won this trade. well he left out Frankie being cut partially due to the fact that he injured in that camp... |
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Post by galaxytrash on Nov 24, 2022 19:29:56 GMT -6
As I recall, a guy named Bobby came up to the Blackhawks as a center. He was moved to LW and I think he did "ok" there. Someone should have pointed that out to Dach, it might have made him more open to the move from C to W. i didn't know that. |
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Post by steamer on Nov 24, 2022 23:03:06 GMT -6
I saw this and it may very well be the case. Clearly the Hawks mishandled Dach under the old regime as is proven by how they are handling the more recent 18 year olds - not rushing them into the NHL and playing them immediately on top lines and then wonder where the production is. |
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Post by Nikos on Nov 25, 2022 6:57:23 GMT -6
I saw this and it may very well be the case. Clearly the Hawks mishandled Dach under the old regime as is proven by how they are handling the more recent 18 year olds - not rushing them into the NHL and playing them immediately on top lines and then wonder where the production is. While the quote includes the word maybe he in his own way questions the handling and development of Dach by the Hawks. Somewhat unusual to say it publicly IMO. |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 25, 2022 8:21:37 GMT -6
The jury will be out on the trade for a few years to come and nothing about the team concerns me anymore. S Jones is the only player in last night's lineup that'll be here(due to un-tradability) when Frankie and the boys are ready to lead us back to glory........it'll be easier to stay engaged when I finally see some kids. I noticed a video on YouTube that said Chicago got fleeced in the Dach trade. That's a dumb thing to say when Dach has only played a quarter of a season and the two guys traded for him were drafted last summer and only 18. He basically said Nazar getting cut last summer from the World Juniors shows he's not that good, and he never mentioned Gavin Hayes, who has top9 potential. So yeah it'll be a few years till we know who won this trade. Nobody got fleeced in the deal IMO. The Hawks needed picks real bad and the Habs are closer,a young,NHL ready player made more sense,especially since they have two 1st's this year......woulda been nice to get one of them. I'm not sure who you're referring to as far as their comments on Nazar but I put no stock in criticism or praise until I see a kid in the bigs and not until and I hope they're all treated better than Mitchell when it's their turn. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Nov 25, 2022 15:47:15 GMT -6
I noticed a video on YouTube that said Chicago got fleeced in the Dach trade. That's a dumb thing to say when Dach has only played a quarter of a season and the two guys traded for him were drafted last summer and only 18. He basically said Nazar getting cut last summer from the World Juniors shows he's not that good, and he never mentioned Gavin Hayes, who has top9 potential. So yeah it'll be a few years till we know who won this trade. Nobody got fleeced in the deal IMO. The Hawks needed picks real bad and the Habs are closer,a young,NHL ready player made more sense,especially since they have two 1st's this year......woulda been nice to get one of them. I'm not sure who you're referring to as far as their comments on Nazar but I put no stock in criticism or praise until I see a kid in the bigs and not until and I hope they're all treated better than Mitchell when it's their turn. I was referring to the person who made the video saying Chicago got fleeced, don't know their name but I'm sure it'd be easy to find on YouTube. Yeah it doesn't make sense saying who won that trade till we see one or both guys drafted play in the NHL. As for Mitchell, the last guy promised him a spot out of college but he was in over his head and was easily tossed around. Last season was very productive despite injuries and this season started with another injury. If he can stay healthy that'll help his chances of sticking in the NHL, also once KD starts moving older dmen. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 26, 2022 8:39:03 GMT -6
Hawks are now currently 4th. Ducks (13), Sens (15), BJs (15) Hawks (16). I’m really happy with the progress of late. Looking good for a top pick. Fantilli as a freshman has 24 points in 13 games at Michigan. Very impressed with him. But he is a year older than Bedard. Fantilli has an October Bday so he should’ve been last year. But just like Kane he had to wait a year. Fantilli is 18 right now. But still a good showing this year. Bedard. Now this is the real prize here folks. He has 49 points in 23 games as a 17 year old. He’s the real deal, and he has been for some time. He does things only most can dream of. I seen Colby Barlow play my Spitfires on Wednesday. He got a hat trick and now has 29 points in 19 games. As a 17 year old that’s still very good. Lotta good players in this draft. It would be nice to get 3 picks in the top 20. I feel there’s great value in all of these spots. You could get a top line winger and dman here. Plus a top center possibly. Just look at the 2015 draft. It was unreal. This one is looking to be much better. Have a look at this!!! www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2015e.html |
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Post by steamer on Nov 26, 2022 10:15:40 GMT -6
Gonna be tough to get more than 1 pick in the top 20. Should 88 and 19 be open to being moved, I assume it would be to a contender - say a top 10 team. And same with Murphy and McCabe. Plus Bolts pick does not look like there’s any way it’s in the top 10 of picks.
But that 2015 draft is amazing!! Hawks noticeably missing though.
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Post by tincup on Nov 28, 2022 20:58:16 GMT -6
Best goalie fight since Roy vs. Vernon
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Post by 2old4this on Nov 28, 2022 21:52:17 GMT -6
Gonna be tough to get more than 1 pick in the top 20. Should 88 and 19 be open to being moved, I assume it would be to a contender - say a top 10 team. And same with Murphy and McCabe. Plus Bolts pick does not look like there’s any way it’s in the top 10 of picks. But that 2015 draft is amazing!! Hawks noticeably missing though. You make a great case for trading for players instead of draft picks |
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Post by steamer on Nov 28, 2022 22:10:40 GMT -6
Gonna be tough to get more than 1 pick in the top 20. Should 88 and 19 be open to being moved, I assume it would be to a contender - say a top 10 team. And same with Murphy and McCabe. Plus Bolts pick does not look like there’s any way it’s in the top 10 of picks. But that 2015 draft is amazing!! Hawks noticeably missing though. You make a great case for trading for players instead of draft picks Hadn’t thought about it that way. How do you get a high first round pick without trading with lower end teams? They probably don’t want to part with their high picks plus a Kane or Toews probably don’t want to go to one of those teams. Anyway maybe players is the answer. |
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Post by 2old4this on Nov 28, 2022 22:57:03 GMT -6
You make a great case for trading for players instead of draft picks Hadn’t thought about it that way. How do you get a high first round pick without trading with lower end teams? They probably don’t want to part with their high picks plus a Kane or Toews probably don’t want to go to one of those teams. Anyway maybe players is the answer. Look at a good team, and you will see many high end players. And that team might be willing to part with a quality center if they have 2 more quality centers on the roster. But parting with a draft pick is like parting with whatever they might need the most, like d-men. Not sure I did a great job of making my case, but you can probably work it out. |
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Post by BigT on Nov 29, 2022 3:09:09 GMT -6
Gonna be tough to get more than 1 pick in the top 20. Should 88 and 19 be open to being moved, I assume it would be to a contender - say a top 10 team. And same with Murphy and McCabe. Plus Bolts pick does not look like there’s any way it’s in the top 10 of picks. But that 2015 draft is amazing!! Hawks noticeably missing though. If there’s a can’t miss player the Hawks want at say 11. And they’ve got picks 26 and 28. I think they could swing a deal if need be. Most teams know there’s a lot of talent in this first round. Also, the Tampa picks are top ten protected. They slide a year if they were. If Toews and Kane are dealt. The Hawks would get a couple solid prospects and also get a couple 1st rounders. So having 4 firsts this year would be a good way to rebuild quicker. Plus like I said earlier, if I had 4 firsts, I’d trade two later ones and move into the early teens. On a side note, I read an article in the Athletic that KD hasn’t seen too many Hawks games this year as he’s been off scouting with his scouts. So my guess is that he wants to get many picks in the top 3 rounds this year. I think the Hawks could end up with 3 firsts, 4 seconds and 3 thirds. I think that’s a real possibility. So let’s hope the trading begins soon. We all know it’s coming. I say by the end of January we’ll see or hear of quite a few deals coming. Plus 19/88 will more than likely put an end to the speculation or add fuel to it!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Nov 29, 2022 7:16:05 GMT -6
Gonna be tough to get more than 1 pick in the top 20. Should 88 and 19 be open to being moved, I assume it would be to a contender - say a top 10 team. And same with Murphy and McCabe. Plus Bolts pick does not look like there’s any way it’s in the top 10 of picks. But that 2015 draft is amazing!! Hawks noticeably missing though. If there’s a can’t miss player the Hawks want at say 11. And they’ve got picks 26 and 28. I think they could swing a deal if need be. Most teams know there’s a lot of talent in this first round. Also, the Tampa picks are top ten protected. They slide a year if they were. If Toews and Kane are dealt. The Hawks would get a couple solid prospects and also get a couple 1st rounders. So having 4 firsts this year would be a good way to rebuild quicker. Plus like I said earlier, if I had 4 firsts, I’d trade two later ones and move into the early teens. On a side note, I read an article in the Athletic that KD hasn’t seen too many Hawks games this year as he’s been off scouting with his scouts. So my guess is that he wants to get many picks in the top 3 rounds this year. I think the Hawks could end up with 3 firsts, 4 seconds and 3 thirds. I think that’s a real possibility. So let’s hope the trading begins soon. We all know it’s coming. I say by the end of January we’ll see or hear of quite a few deals coming. Plus 19/88 will more than likely put an end to the speculation or add fuel to it!!! Need to know, the Hawks have the Bolts #1 pick 23 & 24 draft. Unless it's a top 10 pick. What do the Hawks get if Bolts are in the top 10 draft? Do they just lose any picks at all? |
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