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Post by BigT on Nov 29, 2022 8:23:14 GMT -6
If there’s a can’t miss player the Hawks want at say 11. And they’ve got picks 26 and 28. I think they could swing a deal if need be. Most teams know there’s a lot of talent in this first round. Also, the Tampa picks are top ten protected. They slide a year if they were. If Toews and Kane are dealt. The Hawks would get a couple solid prospects and also get a couple 1st rounders. So having 4 firsts this year would be a good way to rebuild quicker. Plus like I said earlier, if I had 4 firsts, I’d trade two later ones and move into the early teens. On a side note, I read an article in the Athletic that KD hasn’t seen too many Hawks games this year as he’s been off scouting with his scouts. So my guess is that he wants to get many picks in the top 3 rounds this year. I think the Hawks could end up with 3 firsts, 4 seconds and 3 thirds. I think that’s a real possibility. So let’s hope the trading begins soon. We all know it’s coming. I say by the end of January we’ll see or hear of quite a few deals coming. Plus 19/88 will more than likely put an end to the speculation or add fuel to it!!! Need to know, the Hawks have the Bolts #1 pick 23 & 24 draft. Unless it's a top 10 pick. What do the Hawks get if Bolts are in the top 10 draft? Do they just lose any picks at all? If Tampa is in the top 10 for picks in 2023, then that’ll slide to 2025. And if the 2024 pick is top ten, that’ll slide to 2026!!! |
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Post by BigT on Nov 29, 2022 8:23:34 GMT -6
If there’s a can’t miss player the Hawks want at say 11. And they’ve got picks 26 and 28. I think they could swing a deal if need be. Most teams know there’s a lot of talent in this first round. Also, the Tampa picks are top ten protected. They slide a year if they were. If Toews and Kane are dealt. The Hawks would get a couple solid prospects and also get a couple 1st rounders. So having 4 firsts this year would be a good way to rebuild quicker. Plus like I said earlier, if I had 4 firsts, I’d trade two later ones and move into the early teens. On a side note, I read an article in the Athletic that KD hasn’t seen too many Hawks games this year as he’s been off scouting with his scouts. So my guess is that he wants to get many picks in the top 3 rounds this year. I think the Hawks could end up with 3 firsts, 4 seconds and 3 thirds. I think that’s a real possibility. So let’s hope the trading begins soon. We all know it’s coming. I say by the end of January we’ll see or hear of quite a few deals coming. Plus 19/88 will more than likely put an end to the speculation or add fuel to it!!! Need to know, the Hawks have the Bolts #1 pick 23 & 24 draft. Unless it's a top 10 pick. What do the Hawks get if Bolts are in the top 10 draft? Do they just lose any picks at all? If Tampa is in the top 10 for picks in 2023, then that’ll slide to 2025. And if the 2024 pick is top ten, that’ll slide to 2026!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 29, 2022 10:01:23 GMT -6
Need to know, the Hawks have the Bolts #1 pick 23 & 24 draft. Unless it's a top 10 pick. What do the Hawks get if Bolts are in the top 10 draft? Do they just lose any picks at all? If Tampa is in the top 10 for picks in 2023, then that’ll slide to 2025. And if the 2024 pick is top ten, that’ll slide to 2026!!! To my knowledge though if the picks slide they're unprotected. So on the off chance Tampa picks, say, 9th in 2023, the pick we get for 2025 is wherever the cookie bounces, be it 32nd or 1st. |
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Post by vadarx on Nov 29, 2022 12:39:52 GMT -6
If Tampa is in the top 10 for picks in 2023, then that’ll slide to 2025. And if the 2024 pick is top ten, that’ll slide to 2026!!! To my knowledge though if the picks slide they're unprotected. So on the off chance Tampa picks, say, 9th in 2023, the pick we get for 2025 is wherever the cookie bounces, be it 32nd or 1st. correct. each pick can slide once, but after that we get what we get. |
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Post by steamer on Nov 29, 2022 17:46:42 GMT -6
Thanks for clarifying how the picks from Tampa work. It would take an epic collapse (anything is possible) for them to finish in the bottom 10 this year. But next year who knows?
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Post by BigT on Nov 30, 2022 8:30:58 GMT -6
If Tampa is in the top 10 for picks in 2023, then that’ll slide to 2025. And if the 2024 pick is top ten, that’ll slide to 2026!!! To my knowledge though if the picks slide they're unprotected. So on the off chance Tampa picks, say, 9th in 2023, the pick we get for 2025 is wherever the cookie bounces, be it 32nd or 1st. Exactly. That’s why it’s really not that bad. I doubt Tampa falls apart like a Chinese motorcycle this year. But they’re starting to look tired. Like the Hawks. When teams fail, they don’t do so gracefully. So I could see them having a down year next year and giving us a beautiful 2025 top 5 pick!!! |
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Post by BigT on Nov 30, 2022 8:36:26 GMT -6
Thanks for clarifying how the picks from Tampa work. It would take an epic collapse (anything is possible) for them to finish in the bottom 10 this year. But next year who knows? If they do this year or next. They keep the picks. So there’s zero chance the Hawks get a top 10 pick from them this year or next. But let’s say the Hawks get Tampa’s pick this year at pick 24. Then next year Tampa tanks out and gets pick 9. Hawks will not get that pick. But the Odds of Tampa climbing back to the top in 2025 are slim. So I doubt they’d keep the 2025 pick!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Nov 30, 2022 9:07:01 GMT -6
Thanks for clarifying how the picks from Tampa work. It would take an epic collapse (anything is possible) for them to finish in the bottom 10 this year. But next year who knows? Vasilevskiy would have to go down for a long stretch for the Bolts to sniff a top ten pick either year IMO. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 30, 2022 10:11:06 GMT -6
Thanks for clarifying how the picks from Tampa work. It would take an epic collapse (anything is possible) for them to finish in the bottom 10 this year. But next year who knows? Vasilevskiy would have to go down for a long stretch for the Bolts to sniff a top ten pick either year IMO. Yeah, basically. Malkin would have to run Vasi to give him a concussion leaving Elliot, Lagace, and Anifelt so far out of their depth they'd need water wings. |
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Post by tincup on Nov 30, 2022 17:40:51 GMT -6
We already know the answer, right?
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Post by BigT on Dec 1, 2022 8:45:09 GMT -6
#FallHardForBedard
The tank is on. I just seen an article in the Athletic, never read the whole thing. But the first little bit was about what the Hawks are tanking for. And it was about McDavid and Draisaitl. Those are the rewards you’re tanking for. Even if you don’t win, you’ve got a lot to cheer for. We can all pick on the Oilers for their failures. But that’s one hell of an exciting team to watch. It really is. Getting a McDavid or Draisaitl is unreal. Both is on another level.
I really don’t see the problem with tanking. Is anyone here honestly happy with the last 5-6 years anyways? Or better yet, the last 2 years? Sure there were a few bigger names, but the team was doing about as good as this one. Remember the 10 game losing streak last year, and the year before? Now the team will do a little worse and get rewarded. And we don’t have a management group dropping Molly or Meth and trading away the 1st round picks!!!
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Post by 2old4this on Dec 1, 2022 12:36:14 GMT -6
#FallHardForBedard The tank is on. I just seen an article in the Athletic, never read the whole thing. But the first little bit was about what the Hawks are tanking for. And it was about McDavid and Draisaitl. Those are the rewards you’re tanking for. Even if you don’t win, you’ve got a lot to cheer for. We can all pick on the Oilers for their failures. But that’s one hell of an exciting team to watch. It really is. Getting a McDavid or Draisaitl is unreal. Both is on another level. I really don’t see the problem with tanking. Is anyone here honestly happy with the last 5-6 years anyways? Or better yet, the last 2 years? Sure there were a few bigger names, but the team was doing about as good as this one. Remember the 10 game losing streak last year, and the year before? Now the team will do a little worse and get rewarded. And we don’t have a management group dropping Molly or Meth and trading away the 1st round picks!!! I'm all for tanking. but it should take place at the management level. Asking players to throw a game for the good of the team just stinks. It's immoral and unethical to take money from the fans and give them a less than honest effort on the ice. IMHO
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Post by steamer on Dec 1, 2022 12:53:15 GMT -6
They don’t have to try to tank. They don’t have the talent to avoid tanking.
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Post by BigT on Dec 1, 2022 15:13:27 GMT -6
#FallHardForBedard The tank is on. I just seen an article in the Athletic, never read the whole thing. But the first little bit was about what the Hawks are tanking for. And it was about McDavid and Draisaitl. Those are the rewards you’re tanking for. Even if you don’t win, you’ve got a lot to cheer for. We can all pick on the Oilers for their failures. But that’s one hell of an exciting team to watch. It really is. Getting a McDavid or Draisaitl is unreal. Both is on another level. I really don’t see the problem with tanking. Is anyone here honestly happy with the last 5-6 years anyways? Or better yet, the last 2 years? Sure there were a few bigger names, but the team was doing about as good as this one. Remember the 10 game losing streak last year, and the year before? Now the team will do a little worse and get rewarded. And we don’t have a management group dropping Molly or Meth and trading away the 1st round picks!!! I'm all for tanking. but it should take place at the management level. Asking players to throw a game for the good of the team just stinks. It's immoral and unethical to take money from the fans and give them a less than honest effort on the ice. IMHO
To be honest. I don’t recall a single person expecting the players or coaches to purposely lose or “throw a game”. I honestly don’t believe that’s in the cards unless you’re Pete Rose!!! |
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Post by 2old4this on Dec 1, 2022 15:26:18 GMT -6
I'm all for tanking. but it should take place at the management level. Asking players to throw a game for the good of the team just stinks. It's immoral and unethical to take money from the fans and give them a less than honest effort on the ice. IMHO
To be honest. I don’t recall a single person expecting the players or coaches to purposely lose or “throw a game”. I honestly don’t believe that’s in the cards unless you’re Pete Rose!!! Neither do I. Dumping as many skill players as you can should do the trick. By the end of the trade deadline, there hopefully will be none left. Sorry I worded that poorly....I know of nobody asking anyone to throw a game. |
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Post by steamer on Dec 1, 2022 16:14:34 GMT -6
The skill level for this team continues to drop. My own perception of skill standards has dropped and a good example of this is Tinordi. He’s out with a bum hip and I think they will miss him in the lineup. But then I look at the fact that he’s 30 and has never played more than 28 games in an NHL season despite being the 22nd overall pick in the 2010 draft. So he’s been 3/4 AHL and 1/4 NHL player yet he’s arguably a decent dman on the current team. Silver lining is Mitchell gets a chance. The longer term light at the end of the tunnel is that help is on the way in Korchinski, Allan, Del Mastro et al. I just have to be patient and more importantly KD and Danny and Rocky have to be patient and it’s not easy.
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Post by 2old4this on Dec 1, 2022 17:01:46 GMT -6
I don't believe they will make the mistake of being impatient.
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Post by Nikos on Dec 1, 2022 19:29:28 GMT -6
I'm all for tanking. but it should take place at the management level. Asking players to throw a game for the good of the team just stinks. It's immoral and unethical to take money from the fans and give them a less than honest effort on the ice. IMHO
To be honest. I don’t recall a single person expecting the players or coaches to purposely lose or “throw a game”. I honestly don’t believe that’s in the cards unless you’re Pete Rose!!! If you believe the reports Pete only bet on his team to win. |
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Post by Nikos on Dec 1, 2022 19:34:40 GMT -6
The skill level for this team continues to drop. My own perception of skill standards has dropped and a good example of this is Tinordi. He’s out with a bum hip and I think they will miss him in the lineup. But then I look at the fact that he’s 30 and has never played more than 28 games in an NHL season despite being the 22nd overall pick in the 2010 draft. So he’s been 3/4 AHL and 1/4 NHL player yet he’s arguably a decent dman on the current team. Silver lining is Mitchell gets a chance. The longer term light at the end of the tunnel is that help is on the way in Korchinski, Allan, Del Mastro et al. I just have to be patient and more importantly KD and Danny and Rocky have to be patient and it’s not easy. One thing noticeable about Tinordi is he will hit you every chance he gets. He would be useful only as situation dmen maybe when you play a team that is more physical, similar like a baseball when they bring a lefty to get one out only. Tinordi playing a lot of minutes will be exposed eventually. |
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Post by steamer on Dec 1, 2022 19:56:46 GMT -6
The skill level for this team continues to drop. My own perception of skill standards has dropped and a good example of this is Tinordi. He’s out with a bum hip and I think they will miss him in the lineup. But then I look at the fact that he’s 30 and has never played more than 28 games in an NHL season despite being the 22nd overall pick in the 2010 draft. So he’s been 3/4 AHL and 1/4 NHL player yet he’s arguably a decent dman on the current team. Silver lining is Mitchell gets a chance. The longer term light at the end of the tunnel is that help is on the way in Korchinski, Allan, Del Mastro et al. I just have to be patient and more importantly KD and Danny and Rocky have to be patient and it’s not easy. One thing noticeable about Tinordi is he will hit you every chance he gets. He would be useful only as situation dmen maybe when you play a team that is more physical, similar like a baseball when they bring a lefty to get one out only. Tinordi playing a lot of minutes will be exposed eventually. I like his physical play but he’s had trouble cracking lineups for a reason. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 2, 2022 8:41:44 GMT -6
One thing noticeable about Tinordi is he will hit you every chance he gets. He would be useful only as situation dmen maybe when you play a team that is more physical, similar like a baseball when they bring a lefty to get one out only. Tinordi playing a lot of minutes will be exposed eventually. I like his physical play but he’s had trouble cracking lineups for a reason. Being the ray-o-sunshine I am,I mentioned that when he was signed too,but he's looked better than I expected to be honest and a big,tough #6-7 to protect the kids when they get here is okay with me. |
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Post by BigT on Dec 2, 2022 18:35:37 GMT -6
Tinordi is the perfect guy for a tank. He’s good enough to keep you in the bottom 3, and good enough to stick up for his mates. I hope they sign him to a 2 year extension worth 8 million. I’m being honest too. Gotta get to the cap floor. So why not pay a guy on a short term deal? It’s not going to hurt the team at all. Hell, even one year at 4-5 million wouldn’t be a as idea. It helps the team get to the floor and have absolutely no long term ramifications. They should do that with 3-4 guys!!!
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Post by hsbob on Dec 3, 2022 10:18:09 GMT -6
Tinordi is the perfect guy for a tank. He’s good enough to keep you in the bottom 3, and good enough to stick up for his mates. I hope they sign him to a 2 year extension worth 8 million. I’m being honest too. Gotta get to the cap floor. So why not pay a guy on a short term deal? It’s not going to hurt the team at all. Hell, even one year at 4-5 million wouldn’t be a as idea. It helps the team get to the floor and have absolutely no long term ramifications. They should do that with 3-4 guys!!! Tinordi's 900K contract he signed with the Rags @28 is the most he's made in his career and he'd jump at a 1.5MX2 deal,why grossly overpay everybody vs bringing in a bad deal or three with picks attached? Pay Tinordi 5M of Rocky's money with a half empty barn and see what happens.....LOL. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 3, 2022 10:50:58 GMT -6
Tinordi is the perfect guy for a tank. He’s good enough to keep you in the bottom 3, and good enough to stick up for his mates. I hope they sign him to a 2 year extension worth 8 million. I’m being honest too. Gotta get to the cap floor. So why not pay a guy on a short term deal? It’s not going to hurt the team at all. Hell, even one year at 4-5 million wouldn’t be a as idea. It helps the team get to the floor and have absolutely no long term ramifications. They should do that with 3-4 guys!!! Tinordi's 900K contract he signed with the Rags @28 is the most he's made in his career and he'd jump at a 1.5MX2 deal,why grossly overpay everybody vs bringing in a bad deal or three with picks attached? Pay Tinordi 5M of Rocky's money with a half empty barn and see what happens.....LOL. You really think the money comes out of Rockys pocket? It's all the NHL revenue money from tv and ads. That cap money is not from the owners pockets. Rocky will make his money regardless from all the ad revenue on the boards and ice. As well as parking lot and booze sales. |
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Post by Nikos on Dec 3, 2022 11:27:23 GMT -6
Tinordi is the perfect guy for a tank. He’s good enough to keep you in the bottom 3, and good enough to stick up for his mates. I hope they sign him to a 2 year extension worth 8 million. I’m being honest too. Gotta get to the cap floor. So why not pay a guy on a short term deal? It’s not going to hurt the team at all. Hell, even one year at 4-5 million wouldn’t be a as idea. It helps the team get to the floor and have absolutely no long term ramifications. They should do that with 3-4 guys!!! Tinordi's 900K contract he signed with the Rags @28 is the most he's made in his career and he'd jump at a 1.5MX2 deal,why grossly overpay everybody vs bringing in a bad deal or three with picks attached? Pay Tinordi 5M of Rocky's money with a half empty barn and see what happens.....LOL. I rather take a bad short term contract and get some draft assets. You can give Tinordi a little bump. There is always teams looking to dump an injured player with high cap just like Dallas did with Bishop and how many times have the Coyotes done the same. The Hawks will get to the floor and I rather get assets than overpay a borderline NHL player. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 3, 2022 12:16:38 GMT -6
Tinordi's 900K contract he signed with the Rags @28 is the most he's made in his career and he'd jump at a 1.5MX2 deal,why grossly overpay everybody vs bringing in a bad deal or three with picks attached? Pay Tinordi 5M of Rocky's money with a half empty barn and see what happens.....LOL. You really think the money comes out of Rockys pocket? It's all the NHL revenue money from tv and ads. That cap money is not from the owners pockets. Rocky will make his money regardless from all the ad revenue on the boards and ice. As well as parking lot and booze sales. It's just a metaphor my friend,I know there's a corporate structure but if attendance craters w/o K&T,you can bet your ass the team is near the floor until the building fills back up. Fifteen NHL teams lost money last year and didn't Rocky say the best the team did back in '10' with people hanging out of the rafters for 82 regular and 22 more PO games was "break even"? The NHL is NOT the NFL where every team will receive 300 million from TV money yearly with a 208 million salary cap before a single 5K seat license,a single beer or a single piece of merch. is sold or car is parked...... www.forbes.com/sites/justinbirnbaum/2021/03/19/nfls-new-tv-deals-hand-teams-300-million-per-year-and-still-wont-drive-franchise-values-higher/?sh=5cc990504f04While 'the largest portion of NHL revenue still comes from ticket sales'....... hockeyanswered.com/what-is-the-yearly-revenue-of-the-nhl/#:~:text=What%20Makes%20Up%20The%20NHL%20Yearly%20Revenue?I'll shed NO tears for Rockwell,even if the team does show a loss,it'll only be on paper and written-off against other Wirtz family endeavors BUT if the barn stays half empty for an extended period,it'll have ramifications.......I guarantee that. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 3, 2022 13:22:49 GMT -6
We have to see how this works since the Yotes are in a 7K seat rink and only 17mil under the cap.
I don't those 7K paying the 64mil salary they have now. If they had 2 superstars on the team that cap space would be gone.
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Post by steamer on Dec 5, 2022 16:42:05 GMT -6
I like Tinordi and could see a 2yr at $2 mill working just fine.
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 7, 2022 18:19:06 GMT -6
long shot scenario but the last game of the season is against philly, who are currently 7th worst.
i reckon it would be a pretty interesting game if we were both tied in the standings for last place and the game was a "loser take all" situation.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 8, 2022 6:32:44 GMT -6
long shot scenario but the last game of the season is against philly, who are currently 7th worst. i reckon it would be a pretty interesting game if we were both tied in the standings for last place and the game was a "loser take all" situation. And if the Hawks pull off the loss and get the best lotto odds and win the lotto I'm sure getting Bedard will bring in a lot of fans. The kid is on a 27gm point streak with 27g-37a, he'd look great in a Hawks jersey. Especially with Korchinski flying up the ice dishing him the puck. |
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