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Post by vadarx on Apr 12, 2023 23:47:15 GMT -6
the rags reaching the eastern conference finals would be enough to turn that second rounder to a first if that's what you're referencing. And the first is next years. If they do make the conference finals hopefully next season is a bad one for them. I'm fine with them losing straight away, tbh. I'll take a mid 2nd this year considering the strength of this draft. a first rounder next year is also cool, though. |
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Post by shooter61 on Apr 13, 2023 20:25:45 GMT -6
well fellows ,,,,,, you heard it here first , so mark this down, hawks lose to Phil, ana beats the kings, we finish last and win the Lottery, !
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Post by vadarx on Apr 13, 2023 20:30:01 GMT -6
well fellows ,,,,,, you heard it here first , so mark this down, hawks lose to Phil, ana beats the kings, we finish last and win the Lottery, ! I like this plan. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 13, 2023 20:40:31 GMT -6
well fellows ,,,,,, you heard it here first , so mark this down, hawks lose to Phil, ana beats the kings, we finish last and win the Lottery, !  |
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Post by BigT on Apr 14, 2023 10:32:19 GMT -6
well fellows ,,,,,, you heard it here first , so mark this down, hawks lose to Phil, ana beats the kings, we finish last and win the Lottery, ! Welp…….. now let’s just hope to win the lotto!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 14, 2023 10:47:36 GMT -6
well fellows ,,,,,, you heard it here first , so mark this down, hawks lose to Phil, ana beats the kings, we finish last and win the Lottery, ! Welp…….. now let’s just hope to win the lotto!!! As long as they get a top3 pick I'll be happy. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 14, 2023 14:26:05 GMT -6
I am predicting Michkov is the pick right now if the 'hawks don't land in the top 2.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 14, 2023 14:52:59 GMT -6
Every year there are players who would slot higher in a redraft several years later - a player taken 7th better than 4 players taken ahead of him - a player taken in the teens that ends up being the 2nd/3rd best player in the draft. Call them outliers if you want but since it happens almost every time they really aren't outliers - more like the randomness of the inexact science of projecting 18 year olds' development arcs.
This draft class is projected to be deeper than normal which means the number of those so-called outliers should be higher than normal which could mean for the teams who purposely tanked their season (CLB/CHI/ANA/SJ) and don't win the Bedard derby - the player they take could and probably will be passed by other players taken after them. There's nothing to be done about it but it really hammers home the point that this deep draft year was not the most opportune year to suffer through a tank season.
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Post by BigT on Apr 14, 2023 17:33:24 GMT -6
I am predicting Michkov is the pick right now if the 'hawks don't land in the top 2. I’m telling ya. Don’t rule out Colby Barlow. The kid will be good. 46 goals in 59 games. I’ve seen him live quite a few times. Kid was also captain of Owen Sound Attack at 17. He just turned 18 on Valentine day. He’s now ranked anywhere from 5-10. I think taking Mishkov is gonna kill KDs career. I’m not say the kid isn’t worth it. Just if he doesn’t come for 3 more years, it may be tough for him to last that long without showing what he’s done. In the mean time, gotta hope for Columbus tonight. We need them to pull it off tonight!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 14, 2023 18:29:58 GMT -6
I am predicting Michkov is the pick right now if the 'hawks don't land in the top 2. I’m telling ya. Don’t rule out Colby Barlow. The kid will be good. 46 goals in 59 games. I’ve seen him live quite a few times. Kid was also captain of Owen Sound Attack at 17. He just turned 18 on Valentine day. He’s now ranked anywhere from 5-10. I think taking Mishkov is gonna kill KDs career. I’m not say the kid isn’t worth it. Just if he doesn’t come for 3 more years, it may be tough for him to last that long without showing what he’s done. In the mean time, gotta hope for Columbus tonight. We need them to pull it off tonight!!! KD wants a team with size and speed, and I'm sure Luke will have some suggestions and a small Russian won't be one of them. If they draft 4th or 5th Barlow sounds like a great pick. Being named a captain in the CHL at 17 is very impressive, so are his numbers. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 14, 2023 18:50:25 GMT -6
I am predicting Michkov is the pick right now if the 'hawks don't land in the top 2. I’m telling ya. Don’t rule out Colby Barlow. The kid will be good. 46 goals in 59 games. I’ve seen him live quite a few times. Kid was also captain of Owen Sound Attack at 17. He just turned 18 on Valentine day. He’s now ranked anywhere from 5-10. I think taking Mishkov is gonna kill KDs career. I’m not say the kid isn’t worth it. Just if he doesn’t come for 3 more years, it may be tough for him to last that long without showing what he’s done. In the mean time, gotta hope for Columbus tonight. We need them to pull it off tonight!!! I'm not ruling anyone out, I'm just predicting he is the selection if we pick at 3 or lower. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 14, 2023 18:55:23 GMT -6
If the Russian kid is still on the board when the Hawks pick, I would explore trading down a few spots.
One of the teams in slots five to eight will covet the kid without question. He will be in huge demand.
I don't think the Hawks should be drafting a winger at this early stage in the rebuild. I believe both the Canadiens and the Coyotes have two first round picks. So do the Red Wings, Blues and Sharks.
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Post by vadarx on Apr 14, 2023 19:01:03 GMT -6
If the Russian kid is still on the board when the Hawks pick, I would explore trading down a few spots. One of the teams in slots five to eight will covet the kid without question. He will be in huge demand. I don't think the Hawks should be drafting a winger at this early stage in the rebuild. I believe both the Canadiens and the Coyotes have two first round picks. if they can add another first this year for the 3rd-5th OA, I'd seriously consider it if I am KD. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 14, 2023 19:08:47 GMT -6
Welp, with Columbus set to expire their season with a loss. Hawks will pick 3rd-5th. Sucks that this season led to this. A really shitty team can’t even finish last. There’s a lot of mistakes along the way. Is this the type of effort we can expect?
If this is the case, why even tank? Seriously? Why let 19/88 go? If the team will never be bad enough to get a 1st overall. I hope their intent isn’t to just get top 10 picks.
We’ll see may 8th. If the Hawks pick worse than 3. Hard to get excited about this. While there are solid players in this draft. The top 3 are insane!!!
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Post by mvr on Apr 14, 2023 19:10:20 GMT -6
The Red Wings might actually be a good trade partner. They have two picks in the top half of the first round. I would trade the Michkov pick and try to get Barlow and Danielson.
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Post by BigT on Apr 14, 2023 19:15:38 GMT -6
3-2 for Buffalo over Columbus heading to the 3rd. All the Hawks need is an ot loss. Please CBJs don’t fuck us!!!
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Post by phill9 on Apr 14, 2023 19:20:01 GMT -6
Welp, with Columbus set to expire their season with a loss. Hawks will pick 3rd-5th. Sucks that this season led to this. A really shitty team can’t even finish last. There’s a lot of mistakes along the way. Is this the type of effort we can expect? If this is the case, why even tank? Seriously? Why let 19/88 go? If the team will never be bad enough to get a 1st overall. I hope their intent isn’t to just get top 10 picks. We’ll see may 8th. If the Hawks pick worse than 3. Hard to get excited about this. While there are solid players in this draft. The top 3 are insane!!! Hawks could still win the lottery and get the first. So Hawks could get 1st thru 5th. |
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Post by phill9 on Apr 14, 2023 19:21:37 GMT -6
3-2 for Buffalo over Columbus heading to the 3rd. All the Hawks need is an ot loss. Please CBJs don’t fuck us!!! Columbus just needs to get to OT. Doesn't matter if they win or lose. They end up with 60 points to the Hawks 59 |
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Post by BigT on Apr 14, 2023 19:32:17 GMT -6
3-2 for Buffalo over Columbus heading to the 3rd. All the Hawks need is an ot loss. Please CBJs don’t fuck us!!! Columbus just needs to get to OT. Doesn't matter if they win or lose. They end up with 60 points to the Hawks 59 Whaaaattttt. No way. Fuck sakes. 4-2 Buffalo. Hawks will lose the lotto this year. I can just fuckin see it now. Gawd dam bullshit!!! |
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Post by mvr on Apr 14, 2023 20:03:54 GMT -6
Welp, with Columbus set to expire their season with a loss. Hawks will pick 3rd-5th. Sucks that this season led to this. A really shitty team can’t even finish last. There’s a lot of mistakes along the way. Is this the type of effort we can expect? If this is the case, why even tank? Seriously? Why let 19/88 go? If the team will never be bad enough to get a 1st overall. I hope their intent isn’t to just get top 10 picks. We’ll see may 8th. If the Hawks pick worse than 3. Hard to get excited about this. While there are solid players in this draft. The top 3 are insane!!! Hawks could still win the lottery and get the first. So Hawks could get 1st thru 5th. I know some people buy lottery tickets as their retirement plan. Others take their weekly earnings to the casino. I don't like the odds and instead invest monthly in index funds. When a sports team deliberately tanks in an attempt to get a high pick in a draft, management is not playing the percentages. This is not a strategy to build on. There are too many variables involved, especially when several other organizations are following the same path. We had to endure watching a crappy team (perhaps the least talented Hawk team this century) deliberately trade away its players and ice a roster which would not be competitive in the AHL many nights. And Davidson might not even get a top three pick. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 14, 2023 20:10:07 GMT -6
Most likely, according to the percentages, the Hawks pick in the top four. They have about a 30% chance of dropping to pick five. I believe Fantilli and Carlson will be picks two and three.
Michkov will likely be the fourth pick, and this is the spot where the Hawks are most likely to pick according to the odds. If so, I trade down. This is said to be an exceptionally deep draft. Adding picks makes sense to me.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 14, 2023 20:40:52 GMT -6
Most likely, according to the percentages, the Hawks pick in the top four. They have about a 30% chance of dropping to pick five. I believe Fantilli and Carlson will be picks two and three. Michkov will likely be the fourth pick, and this is the spot where the Hawks are most likely to pick according to the odds. If so, I trade down. This is said to be an exceptionally deep draft. Adding picks makes sense to me. IF they don't get in the top 3, yeah KD should trade down in the top 10 and get another pick. We know he'll be making moves on draft day. 2 draft years with a lot of picks in the first 3 rounds will quickly replenish the prospect pool. It was ranked in the 20s last year to #5 this year. But I really hope the Hawks win the lotto 🤞 |
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Post by Tater on Apr 15, 2023 2:44:18 GMT -6
Most likely, according to the percentages, the Hawks pick in the top four. They have about a 30% chance of dropping to pick five. I believe Fantilli and Carlson will be picks two and three. Michkov will likely be the fourth pick, and this is the spot where the Hawks are most likely to pick according to the odds. If so, I trade down. This is said to be an exceptionally deep draft. Adding picks makes sense to me. IF they don't get in the top 3, yeah KD should trade down in the top 10 and get another pick. We know he'll be making moves on draft day. 2 draft years with a lot of picks in the first 3 rounds will quickly replenish the prospect pool. It was ranked in the 20s last year to #5 this year. But I really hope the Hawks win the lotto 🤞
I agree with both of you. Michkov as a pick scares me. Another couple years in Russia and who knows what could happen with him. Too risky.
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Post by mvr on Apr 15, 2023 5:54:53 GMT -6
My issue with Michkov is the position -- ie) small scoring winger.
It is too early in the rebuild to add this type of player. They tend to peak early and fade quickly. They command huge salaries, and they raise the cost of retaining those they play with.
For this draft, I want centres (both physical and defensively capable), power wingers and goalies. I think defence is pretty much stacked.
Next year or the year after is the time to draft a guy like Michkov. There are always some available.
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Post by BigT on Apr 15, 2023 7:04:10 GMT -6
Maybe the Hawks get their superstars in the next 2-3 drafts? If they don’t move up even one spot. I see it as a total wasted year. Sure they can still get a decent player. The Hawks or any other team will need star power. I guess we can look ahead to 2025 when Misa is coming out. He plays for Saginaw this year. He got exceptional status to play as a 15 year old. He got 56 points in 45 games. He is now 16 and next year you’ll hear about him. Big time. He’ll put up well over 100 points. Hoping the Hawks can get a first overall here in the next few years. Probably gonna be a longer rebuild than anyone wants. Gotta have those top picks!!!
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 15, 2023 8:52:57 GMT -6
Hawks could still win the lottery and get the first. So Hawks could get 1st thru 5th. I know some people buy lottery tickets as their retirement plan. Others take their weekly earnings to the casino. I don't like the odds and instead invest monthly in index funds. When a sports team deliberately tanks in an attempt to get a high pick in a draft, management is not playing the percentages. This is not a strategy to build on. There are too many variables involved, especially when several other organizations are following the same path. We had to endure watching a crappy team (perhaps the least talented Hawk team this century) deliberately trade away its players and ice a roster which would not be competitive in the AHL many nights. And Davidson might not even get a top three pick. I don't think the investment strategy is a good analogy. While tanking has the homerun or bust element, the rest of the analogy doesn't work. The chosen rebuild strategy - that of tearing it down before building it up - necessitated losing season(s) where the the only options were to lose ridiculously bad versus lose less ridiculously bad, and the option to lose ridiculously bad increased the probability to not only hit the homerun (Bedard) but also to pick higher in each successive round of the draft. Not a guarantee to get the best players available but a higher probability. So the strategy was basically to increase draft probability of success versus lower draft probability for a few more wins. It will probably be much the same next year and maybe the year after that. Inherent in staying this course is the thought that it doesn't do any good to be a middle of the pack team with a few more wins until the new core group of players are in the system and enough of them are ready to be legit NHL level players. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 15, 2023 9:34:00 GMT -6
There is a huge element of luck involved in the draft.
Building an entire plan around it seems foolhardy to me, especially when there are so many other ways of adding depth to a roster and capitalizing on opportunities to improve both short term and beyond.
Of course the draft matters, and the team should add as many future assets as possible over the next few years. But I hope this is the last time Davidson deliberately dismantles his roster to play the tank game. As I see it, he has been putting too many eggs in one basket.
If the team does pick fifth, I see this season as a big failure.
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 15, 2023 9:55:34 GMT -6
There is a huge element of luck involved in the draft. Building an entire plan around it seems foolhardy to me, especially when there are so many other ways of adding depth to a roster and capitalizing on opportunities to improve both short term and beyond. Of course the draft matters, and the team should add as many future assets as possible over the next few years. But I hope this is the last time Davidson deliberately dismantles his roster to play the tank game. As I see it, he has been putting too many eggs in one basket. If the team does pick fifth, I see this season as a big failure. Problem is he has to build the basket too before even putting any eggs in it. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 15, 2023 10:21:34 GMT -6
There is a huge element of luck involved in the draft. Building an entire plan around it seems foolhardy to me, especially when there are so many other ways of adding depth to a roster and capitalizing on opportunities to improve both short term and beyond. Of course the draft matters, and the team should add as many future assets as possible over the next few years. But I hope this is the last time Davidson deliberately dismantles his roster to play the tank game. As I see it, he has been putting too many eggs in one basket. If the team does pick fifth, I see this season as a big failure. I pretty much agree. And I believe KD should be on the hot seat if the team picks 4 or 5. Why watch an intolerable product in the ice, only to see no reward at the end. It’s an absolute failure. Then I’m guessing we’ll see more of the same next year. Can’t keep losing in the ice only to not get rewarded. I hope for his sake the Hawks win at least one step forward. Or I expect KD to be let go soon enough!!! |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 15, 2023 11:30:15 GMT -6
IF they don't get in the top 3, yeah KD should trade down in the top 10 and get another pick. We know he'll be making moves on draft day. 2 draft years with a lot of picks in the first 3 rounds will quickly replenish the prospect pool. It was ranked in the 20s last year to #5 this year. But I really hope the Hawks win the lotto 🤞
I agree with both of you. Michkov as a pick scares me. Another couple years in Russia and who knows what could happen with him. Too risky.
Im with you tater picking way to high to take that kind of risk. Look at the thrill that was a 5th rounder I think. Those risks are saved for 3rd-5th round. Hawks have 1 top 9 forward right now lots to fill. |
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