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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 15, 2023 12:18:55 GMT -6
Maybe the Hawks get their superstars in the next 2-3 drafts? If they don’t move up even one spot. I see it as a total wasted year. Sure they can still get a decent player. The Hawks or any other team will need star power. I guess we can look ahead to 2025 when Misa is coming out. He plays for Saginaw this year. He got exceptional status to play as a 15 year old. He got 56 points in 45 games. He is now 16 and next year you’ll hear about him. Big time. He’ll put up well over 100 points. Hoping the Hawks can get a first overall here in the next few years. Probably gonna be a longer rebuild than anyone wants. Gotta have those top picks!!! Aleady looking forward to 2026. The tank for McKenna, KD gets moved to the President of hockey ops tells me they are closer but these things take time. Explains that Organically grown teams take a little longer then just cow shit teams. Jay Z takes the whole year telling me this is what we have been waiting for trust Kyle Davidson and the process then says Kyle Davidson 30 more times!!! |
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Post by mvr on Apr 15, 2023 13:38:55 GMT -6
There is a huge element of luck involved in the draft. Building an entire plan around it seems foolhardy to me, especially when there are so many other ways of adding depth to a roster and capitalizing on opportunities to improve both short term and beyond. Of course the draft matters, and the team should add as many future assets as possible over the next few years. But I hope this is the last time Davidson deliberately dismantles his roster to play the tank game. As I see it, he has been putting too many eggs in one basket. If the team does pick fifth, I see this season as a big failure. I pretty much agree. And I believe KD should be on the hot seat if the team picks 4 or 5. Why watch an intolerable product in the ice, only to see no reward at the end. It’s an absolute failure. Then I’m guessing we’ll see more of the same next year. Can’t keep losing in the ice only to not get rewarded. I hope for his sake the Hawks win at least one step forward. Or I expect KD to be let go soon enough!!! If you intend to tank, why pretend otherwise? Davidson's big failure here was keeping Murphy and AA through the deadline. He had to get rid of both to ensure the high pick. Getting a fair trade return should not have mattered for either player. If necessary, he should have given them away. He also should have demoted the kid, Reichel, earlier. How can a team specifically designed to lose win so many late season games? There are three potential stars for this draft (and one high risk Russian player who could be another). Davidson might not be in the position to get any of them. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 15, 2023 13:47:31 GMT -6
I pretty much agree. And I believe KD should be on the hot seat if the team picks 4 or 5. Why watch an intolerable product in the ice, only to see no reward at the end. It’s an absolute failure. Then I’m guessing we’ll see more of the same next year. Can’t keep losing in the ice only to not get rewarded. I hope for his sake the Hawks win at least one step forward. Or I expect KD to be let go soon enough!!! If you intend to tank, why pretend otherwise? Davidson's big failure here was keeping Murphy and AA through the deadline. He had to get rid of both to ensure the high pick. Getting a fair trade return should not have mattered for either player. If necessary, he should have given them away. He also should have demoted the kid, Reichel, earlier. How can a team specifically designed to lose win so many late season games? There were three potential stars for this draft (and one high risk Russian player who could be another). Davidson might not be in the position to get any of them. BTs brought up Barlow a few times, if the Hawks fall to 4 or 5, that should be their target. If it's 4th, trade down and take him at #5. Some scouts think he can make the NHL next season, he has the size and obviously the maturity being the captain at 17. But that's worst case, I have a feeling they'll stay in the top3. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 15, 2023 13:52:45 GMT -6
If you intend to tank, why pretend otherwise? Davidson's big failure here was keeping Murphy and AA through the deadline. He had to get rid of both to ensure the high pick. Getting a fair trade return should not have mattered for either player. If necessary, he should have given them away. He also should have demoted the kid, Reichel, earlier. How can a team specifically designed to lose win so many late season games? There were three potential stars for this draft (and one high risk Russian player who could be another). Davidson might not be in the position to get any of them. BTs brought up Barlow a few times, if the Hawks fall to 4 or 5, that should be their target. If it's 4th, trade down and take him at #5. Some scouts think he can make the NHL next season, he has the size and obviously the maturity being the captain at 17. But that's worst case, I have a feeling they'll stay in the top3. I agree about the strategy of trading down (especially if the Russian player is what's left). But this approach is making the best out of a bad situation. Barlow might be a solid player. But he is not considered a "franchise" player and there are supposedly three or even four of them available in this historic draft. A team doesn't waste an entire year tanking to get a Barlow-type player. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 15, 2023 16:17:26 GMT -6
In the late 1980s, Coach/GM Mike Keenan took over an aging Blackhawk team led by Denis Savard, Bob Murray and Doug Wilson that had settled firmly into that dreaded middling no-man's land.
They had few legit prospects in the system, and virtually no young talent on the roster.
Instead of tearing it down and "tanking," Keenan tinkered around the edges, adding small pieces when they became available which would help him win games. The Hawks barely made the playoffs in the first year, but then the situation rapidly improved as Keenan fully took charge over the next couple of seasons. He added in trades players such as Bryan Marchment, Steve Smith, Michel Goulet, Chris Chelios, and two Sutter brothers from the Islanders.
Led by Jeremy Roenick (drafted 8th) and Eddy Belfour (a college UFA signing), the Hawks came one series from winning a cup.
My point here is that a team can rebuild without tanking and losing for a decade. With smart decisions and a flexible gameplan, a team can turn its roster over quickly and effectively by capitalizing on opportunities when they present themselves.
Keenan would eventually wear out his welcome here, just like he did in Philadelphia, NY, St Louis and elsewhere. But he did win a cup and got close many times by turning around organizations quickly and efficiently. His teams never deliberately tanked to get a high pick.
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Post by 2old4this on Apr 15, 2023 18:16:33 GMT -6
OK, I've been ruminating on the subject of tie-breakers, playoffs, and tanking. It seems to me that if you are looking at the bottom dwellers, a tie- breaker should move you in a positive direction, i.e. more points, and not simply in the direction you want to go to occupy the bottom. Any other opinions? Or even better, facts based on the rules.
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Post by 2old4this on Apr 16, 2023 15:36:39 GMT -6
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Post by steamer on Apr 17, 2023 16:57:26 GMT -6
Makar and Brady Tkachuk were both somewhat recent #4 picks.
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Post by BigT on Apr 17, 2023 17:17:34 GMT -6
Makar and Brady Tkachuk were both somewhat recent #4 picks. I’m trying to stay positive here Steamer. I really am. This helps. I’m not religious or care for any of that stuff. But I do somehow believe in Karma from good deeds. There’s and old adage that if you purposely tank, then Karma will bite you. Perfect example. The Avs were just bad, never yanked and the picked up Makar and no one seen that coming. They got the best player in the draft at number 4. Hawks could pick 5. Elias Petterson was taken at 5. Phil Kessel etc. Although the Hawks roster was decimated. They clearly did not tank. The on ice product was still playing their asses off. It seems the Ducks and CBJs tanked on the ice. And now believe that’s why both teams had to get rid of their coaches. It’s hard to bring back a coach who did the dirtiest of work for you. Although unfair, they had to show the league that they didn’t “purposely” tank. Although they did. One other thing to keep in mind. The Hawks full rebuild is only a year old. While Bedard or even Fantilli look to really help that out, I feel the best player the team may get will come in 2024 or 2025. It’s definitely possible. So to not make this very long. I’m simply going to say if the Hawks pick 4-5. I take Colby Barlow. I really do. He’s another piece to the puzzle that will help out. If they pick too 3. They’re getting a Center. With the 2nd first rounder I’m looking at Mathew Wood. Big strong kid. 6’3” 185. He’ll go back to college and probably dominate. He was 1 point shy of a point per game this year. If the Hawks could get some sort of luck and get in the top 3. Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson would all be great. Add in Wood and now the Hawks have the best prospect pool in the national!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 17, 2023 17:52:07 GMT -6
I am gonna disagree with anyone here who thinks they didn't try hard to be shitty this year. one stat I saw was the team's save percentage this year was .892. last season it was .892.
this season, that was good for 22nd in the league. last season it was 28th.
I'd say they should have probably not brought in Stalock and left Soderblom in The Rock all year if they wanted to be extra shitty, but not much they can do when the other team's goalie plays worse than your own. the Calgary game is an example of that.
I've seen unsportsmanlike brought up here, in regards to the tanking, and while I don't disagree with that idea, I believe the 'hawks were trying not to be too unsportsmanlike about it. perhaps they should've gone all the way with it, but again, not much you can do about Anaheim losing their last THIRTEEN games in a row...
let's see what they do the next couple seasons now. 41 million in cap space next season. what do ya do with that? I hope KD takes on a few shitty deals for the next couple seasons and amasses numerous picks for doing so. he will also likely continue to sign guys like Domi that he can flip at the deadline. shouldn't be hard to convince some guys to come in and basically audition for playoff teams they can move to at the deadline.
there is also the idea that we always had to hope for lotto luck, even finishing last meant a 75% chance of NOT getting Bedard. so let's just hope we get lucky on 5/8 (and in the playoffs, hopefully tb loses and some other higher seeds lose so we get the best pick possible from them).
long story short, not all hope is lost...
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Post by vadarx on Apr 17, 2023 18:02:06 GMT -6
Makar and Brady Tkachuk were both somewhat recent #4 picks. I’m trying to stay positive here Steamer. I really am. This helps. I’m not religious or care for any of that stuff. But I do somehow believe in Karma from good deeds. There’s and old adage that if you purposely tank, then Karma will bite you. Perfect example. The Avs were just bad, never yanked and the picked up Makar and no one seen that coming. They got the best player in the draft at number 4. Hawks could pick 5. Elias Petterson was taken at 5. Phil Kessel etc. Although the Hawks roster was decimated. They clearly did not tank. The on ice product was still playing their asses off. It seems the Ducks and CBJs tanked on the ice. And now believe that’s why both teams had to get rid of their coaches. It’s hard to bring back a coach who did the dirtiest of work for you. Although unfair, they had to show the league that they didn’t “purposely” tank. Although they did. One other thing to keep in mind. The Hawks full rebuild is only a year old. While Bedard or even Fantilli look to really help that out, I feel the best player the team may get will come in 2024 or 2025. It’s definitely possible. So to not make this very long. I’m simply going to say if the Hawks pick 4-5. I take Colby Barlow. I really do. He’s another piece to the puzzle that will help out. If they pick too 3. They’re getting a Center. With the 2nd first rounder I’m looking at Mathew Wood. Big strong kid. 6’3” 185. He’ll go back to college and probably dominate. He was 1 point shy of a point per game this year. If the Hawks could get some sort of luck and get in the top 3. Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson would all be great. Add in Wood and now the Hawks have the best prospect pool in the national!!! I like Barlow, but I kinda doubt we take a winger at 4 or 5. if they do, it'll be Michkov. perhaps they take him on character and certainty, but I am just not seeing it. if he drops outside of 10, I would hope KD is on the horn trying to trade up. imo, anyway. A LOT is going to change between now and June 28th, though. should make for an interesting couple months here while we watch other teams compete for the big prize. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 17, 2023 18:11:54 GMT -6
Makar and Brady Tkachuk were both somewhat recent #4 picks. Ironic twist with Maker, his draft year Avs finished with worst overall record dropped all the way to 4th and still ended up with generational player. They since changed this as team with worst record can only drop to #2 I believe. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 17, 2023 18:15:34 GMT -6
Makar and Brady Tkachuk were both somewhat recent #4 picks. Ironic twist with Maker, his draft year Avs finished with worst overall record dropped all the way to 4th and still ended up with generational player. They since changed this as team with worst record can only drop to #2 I believe. third is the lowest the team with the worst record can drop. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 18, 2023 10:09:02 GMT -6
My point about Barlow is this. He’s ranked 7th as of now. Final rankings are not out. The Hawks cannot just take a Center and let the better player walk. That’s just stupid. We didn’t tank to get Dave Bolland at this spot. Even if the Hawks get a Rantinen type, is that horrible? Or a Jason Robertson? The rebuild will not be done this year.
One thing to keep in mind is the fact that Fantilli, Carlsson and Mishkov all have 2004 birthdays and all have an extra year playing under their belts than Bedard and most of the other class.
So there’s a reason why they have done what they’ve done. They’re older. And have that extra year. Barlow will put up 60 goals next year in Jrs. He’s already a captain at 17/18. I’m just saying before we knock someone like him. Think about how good he is and what he can project to be. He’s 6’1” 190. Already good size. Great motor and definitely plays “between the dots”.
So im trying to keep an open mind, and look at the bigger picture. Maybe everything works out. And if it doesn’t. Im sure they’ll get a good high pick the year after. And the year after.
Im still a bit pissed that they’re not guaranteed a top 3. But let’s hope for some lotto luck 🍀!!!
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Post by vadarx on Apr 18, 2023 15:32:21 GMT -6
My point about Barlow is this. He’s ranked 7th as of now. Final rankings are not out. The Hawks cannot just take a Center and let the better player walk. That’s just stupid. We didn’t tank to get Dave Bolland at this spot. Even if the Hawks get a Rantinen type, is that horrible? Or a Jason Robertson? The rebuild will not be done this year. One thing to keep in mind is the fact that Fantilli, Carlsson and Mishkov all have 2004 birthdays and all have an extra year playing under their belts than Bedard and most of the other class. So there’s a reason why they have done what they’ve done. They’re older. And have that extra year. Barlow will put up 60 goals next year in Jrs. He’s already a captain at 17/18. I’m just saying before we knock someone like him. Think about how good he is and what he can project to be. He’s 6’1” 190. Already good size. Great motor and definitely plays “between the dots”. So im trying to keep an open mind, and look at the bigger picture. Maybe everything works out. And if it doesn’t. Im sure they’ll get a good high pick the year after. And the year after. Im still a bit pissed that they’re not guaranteed a top 3. But let’s hope for some lotto luck 🍀!!! I hear ya and, as I said, I like Barlow. my thought is they might look to take the higher upside guy rather than a sure thing who's ceiling isn't as high. or maybe I am still traumatized from the Bowman era, lol. he certainly seems like the type that LR would love to have, that much is for sure. plus his leadership qualities might make him a possible captain down the road, so I could see it. long ways to go before the end of June and a lot of evaluating to do. not gonna lie, I kinda hope he drops some and we can move up a few spots to get him with our second first rounder. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 18, 2023 15:55:47 GMT -6
My point about Barlow is this. He’s ranked 7th as of now. Final rankings are not out. The Hawks cannot just take a Center and let the better player walk. That’s just stupid. We didn’t tank to get Dave Bolland at this spot. Even if the Hawks get a Rantinen type, is that horrible? Or a Jason Robertson? The rebuild will not be done this year. One thing to keep in mind is the fact that Fantilli, Carlsson and Mishkov all have 2004 birthdays and all have an extra year playing under their belts than Bedard and most of the other class. So there’s a reason why they have done what they’ve done. They’re older. And have that extra year. Barlow will put up 60 goals next year in Jrs. He’s already a captain at 17/18. I’m just saying before we knock someone like him. Think about how good he is and what he can project to be. He’s 6’1” 190. Already good size. Great motor and definitely plays “between the dots”. So im trying to keep an open mind, and look at the bigger picture. Maybe everything works out. And if it doesn’t. Im sure they’ll get a good high pick the year after. And the year after. Im still a bit pissed that they’re not guaranteed a top 3. But let’s hope for some lotto luck 🍀!!! I hear ya and, as I said, I like Barlow. my thought is they might look to take the higher upside guy rather than a sure thing who's ceiling isn't as high. or maybe I am still traumatized from the Bowman era, lol. he certainly seems like the type that LR would love to have, that much is for sure. plus his leadership qualities might make him a possible captain down the road, so I could see it. long ways to go before the end of June and a lot of evaluating to do. not gonna lie, I kinda hope he drops some and we can move up a few spots to get him with our second first rounder. I was listening to KDs presser. I had a long shitty drive from beautiful Belle River to Blyth Ontario today. 3 hours each way. So why not kill time with some hockey pods and hear the end of the year pressers. So someone asked KD if he’s willing to trade some of the other acquired picks to move up if the Hawks lose the lotto. He said the obvious answers, that I’ve would be, but it takes two willing parties to make that happen. He also said that he’d use his other picks, like Tampas and a 2nd rounder to move up and maybe even another 2nd rounder to move up and get someone they really like. So let’s say Barlow is there at 12. As of now Arizona has that pick via Ottawa. Hawks trade pick #20(as of now) and a 2nd rounder this year and a 2nd next year. The other issue is if the Hawks remain at 3. Do they honestly take Michkov? Right now the kid is listed at 5’10” and 148. I know they can and will add weight. But 148 lbs is not for the NHL. Even if he gets to 165. Or even 170. Not sure I like the odds of him panning out. He is an incredible offensive talent though. Some think even better than Bedard. I don’t know. Everyone knows I’m not that high on Russians, so I’d just avoid him all together. Carlsson doesn’t really excite me as he’ll be 19 this year and not 18. He hasn’t done too much with the extra year. So I’d maybe avoid him too. I think looking at the 2005 born kids would be a high priority for me. Obviously Fantilli will be 19 this year. And he absolutely dominated the NCAA. So I’d take him at 2-3-4. I still believe after the top 2. The 3rd team will take Michkov. If the Hawks have 4. Do they take Carlsson? I’m not sold on him. He’ll also be 19 and didn’t put up the best numbers. I think Barlow would be better option than him. So even KD said he’d even trade down to acquire more picks. So nothing is off the table!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 18, 2023 16:00:06 GMT -6
I kinda agree on Carlsson, I'm not sure how I feel about him as yet though. seems like a guy who will be solid but not a superstar and it feels like they are going to want superstar potential if they pick in the top 4. thus why I expect Michkov to be the pick @ 3 or 4. Fantilli will be long gone by 3.
honestly, if we don't get a top 2 pick, trading down a few spots and adding another pick or two is likely the best plan.
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Post by BigT on Apr 18, 2023 16:29:55 GMT -6
I kinda agree on Carlsson, I'm not sure how I feel about him as yet though. seems like a guy who will be solid but not a superstar and it feels like they are going to want superstar potential if they pick in the top 4. thus why I expect Michkov to be the pick @ 3 or 4. Fantilli will be long gone by 3. honestly, if we don't get a top 2 pick, trading down a few spots and adding another pick or two is likely the best plan. I agree. I know I’m hammering home Barlow. But trading pick 4 or 5 to a later slot in the top 10 is smart. Let’s say the Hawks trade pick 4, pick 45 for pick 7 and pick 12. I think having those 3 firsts in this years draft speeds things up. Top 2 or bust. I may keep 3. But we’ll see. I still believe Barlow is the better player out of Carlsson, Will Smith, Ryan Leonard. Zach Benson is a weird one. He’s small. But he has a lot of game. 98 points in 60 games. He could be someone that could be like Jack Hughes. I still believe Barlow is better than him. So I’m looking for a move backward to get Barlow. He’ll tuck 60-65 next year. He’s just that good. And we’ll all be asking why didn’t we get that guy? I like kids that are captain at a young age!!! |
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Post by BigT on Apr 18, 2023 21:11:22 GMT -6
Also, to my calculations, the Hawks will pick top 5, #20 (Bolts), #35, #44 (Ottawa), #52 (Tampa), #56 (Rags). Those 2nd rounders should be accurate. #20 can deviate if the Bolts make it to the conference finals or further.
The Rags pick could end up converting to a first rounder next year if they make it to the conference finals. I personally would rather have the picks this year. Even if they’re used to move up into the first round again. A lot of teams will be willing to move back, due to the depth of this draft. So if trading 2 second rounders can net them a 1st rounder, I say do it. I even think trading Murphy and retain half or even take back a bad deal. They get another 1st. So if KD can swing for the fences here and end up with 4 1st rounders and still have two seconds. That’d be a dream scenario. Could really rebuild in a hurry!!!
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Post by vadarx on Apr 18, 2023 21:42:24 GMT -6
Also, to my calculations, the Hawks will pick top 5, #20 (Bolts), #35, #44 (Ottawa), #52 (Tampa), #56 (Rags). Those 2nd rounders should be accurate. #20 can deviate if the Bolts make it to the conference finals or further. The Rags pick could end up converting to a first rounder next year if they make it to the conference finals. I personally would rather have the picks this year. Even if they’re used to move up into the first round again. A lot of teams will be willing to move back, due to the depth of this draft. So if trading 2 second rounders can net them a 1st rounder, I say do it. I even think trading Murphy and retain half or even take back a bad deal. They get another 1st. So if KD can swing for the fences here and end up with 4 1st rounders and still have two seconds. That’d be a dream scenario. Could really rebuild in a hurry!!! I hear ya, but if they could add that nyr first rounder for next year then perhaps they package a player and a second to add a third first this year as well. 8 firsts in 3 drafts would be a good start to things. at the same time, having 4 in the second this year with the depth is also good. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 18, 2023 22:47:46 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 18, 2023 22:57:46 GMT -6
I hear ya and, as I said, I like Barlow. my thought is they might look to take the higher upside guy rather than a sure thing who's ceiling isn't as high. or maybe I am still traumatized from the Bowman era, lol. he certainly seems like the type that LR would love to have, that much is for sure. plus his leadership qualities might make him a possible captain down the road, so I could see it. long ways to go before the end of June and a lot of evaluating to do. not gonna lie, I kinda hope he drops some and we can move up a few spots to get him with our second first rounder. I was listening to KDs presser. I had a long shitty drive from beautiful Belle River to Blyth Ontario today. 3 hours each way. So why not kill time with some hockey pods and hear the end of the year pressers. So someone asked KD if he’s willing to trade some of the other acquired picks to move up if the Hawks lose the lotto. He said the obvious answers, that I’ve would be, but it takes two willing parties to make that happen. He also said that he’d use his other picks, like Tampas and a 2nd rounder to move up and maybe even another 2nd rounder to move up and get someone they really like. So let’s say Barlow is there at 12. As of now Arizona has that pick via Ottawa. Hawks trade pick #20(as of now) and a 2nd rounder this year and a 2nd next year. The other issue is if the Hawks remain at 3. Do they honestly take Michkov? Right now the kid is listed at 5’10” and 148. I know they can and will add weight. But 148 lbs is not for the NHL. Even if he gets to 165. Or even 170. Not sure I like the odds of him panning out. He is an incredible offensive talent though. Some think even better than Bedard. I don’t know. Everyone knows I’m not that high on Russians, so I’d just avoid him all together. Carlsson doesn’t really excite me as he’ll be 19 this year and not 18. He hasn’t done too much with the extra year. So I’d maybe avoid him too. I think looking at the 2005 born kids would be a high priority for me. Obviously Fantilli will be 19 this year. And he absolutely dominated the NCAA. So I’d take him at 2-3-4. I still believe after the top 2. The 3rd team will take Michkov. If the Hawks have 4. Do they take Carlsson? I’m not sold on him. He’ll also be 19 and didn’t put up the best numbers. I think Barlow would be better option than him. So even KD said he’d even trade down to acquire more picks. So nothing is off the table!!! He's listed at 5' 10", 172lbs. |
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Post by 2old4this on Apr 18, 2023 23:10:25 GMT -6
Also, to my calculations, the Hawks will pick top 5, #20 (Bolts), #35, #44 (Ottawa), #52 (Tampa), #56 (Rags). Those 2nd rounders should be accurate. #20 can deviate if the Bolts make it to the conference finals or further. The Rags pick could end up converting to a first rounder next year if they make it to the conference finals. I personally would rather have the picks this year. Even if they’re used to move up into the first round again. A lot of teams will be willing to move back, due to the depth of this draft. So if trading 2 second rounders can net them a 1st rounder, I say do it. I even think trading Murphy and retain half or even take back a bad deal. They get another 1st. So if KD can swing for the fences here and end up with 4 1st rounders and still have two seconds. That’d be a dream scenario. Could really rebuild in a hurry!!! I hear ya, but if they could add that nyr first rounder for next year then perhaps they package a player and a second to add a third first this year as well. 8 firsts in 3 drafts would be a good start to things. at the same time, having 4 in the second this year with the depth is also good. How about playing Bears if we win the lottery. Trade down for the #2 OA (Fanilli) and another 1 st rounder, this year or next. Then bundle up a couple of 2nd rounders for yet another 1st. What do you want? Barlow? Another big center? This draft should be fun! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 18, 2023 23:53:10 GMT -6
I hear ya, but if they could add that nyr first rounder for next year then perhaps they package a player and a second to add a third first this year as well. 8 firsts in 3 drafts would be a good start to things. at the same time, having 4 in the second this year with the depth is also good. How about playing Bears if we win the lottery. Trade down for the #2 OA (Fanilli) and another 1 st rounder, this year or next. Then bundle up a couple of 2nd rounders for yet another 1st. What do you want? Barlow? Another big center? This draft should be fun! no way, jose |
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Post by BigT on Apr 19, 2023 6:24:16 GMT -6
I was listening to KDs presser. I had a long shitty drive from beautiful Belle River to Blyth Ontario today. 3 hours each way. So why not kill time with some hockey pods and hear the end of the year pressers. So someone asked KD if he’s willing to trade some of the other acquired picks to move up if the Hawks lose the lotto. He said the obvious answers, that I’ve would be, but it takes two willing parties to make that happen. He also said that he’d use his other picks, like Tampas and a 2nd rounder to move up and maybe even another 2nd rounder to move up and get someone they really like. So let’s say Barlow is there at 12. As of now Arizona has that pick via Ottawa. Hawks trade pick #20(as of now) and a 2nd rounder this year and a 2nd next year. The other issue is if the Hawks remain at 3. Do they honestly take Michkov? Right now the kid is listed at 5’10” and 148. I know they can and will add weight. But 148 lbs is not for the NHL. Even if he gets to 165. Or even 170. Not sure I like the odds of him panning out. He is an incredible offensive talent though. Some think even better than Bedard. I don’t know. Everyone knows I’m not that high on Russians, so I’d just avoid him all together. Carlsson doesn’t really excite me as he’ll be 19 this year and not 18. He hasn’t done too much with the extra year. So I’d maybe avoid him too. I think looking at the 2005 born kids would be a high priority for me. Obviously Fantilli will be 19 this year. And he absolutely dominated the NCAA. So I’d take him at 2-3-4. I still believe after the top 2. The 3rd team will take Michkov. If the Hawks have 4. Do they take Carlsson? I’m not sold on him. He’ll also be 19 and didn’t put up the best numbers. I think Barlow would be better option than him. So even KD said he’d even trade down to acquire more picks. So nothing is off the table!!! He's listed at 5' 10", 172lbs. He’s listed at 147/148 on DB and Elite prospects. I was listening to a podcast yesterday about draft eligible kids and they touched on his weight being an issue. However, he’ll hopefully be in North America for the combine and draft. We’ll find out then!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 19, 2023 8:59:52 GMT -6
He's listed at 5' 10", 172lbs. He’s listed at 147/148 on DB and Elite prospects. I was listening to a podcast yesterday about draft eligible kids and they touched on his weight being an issue. However, he’ll hopefully be in North America for the combine and draft. We’ll find out then!!! From central scouting.... Matvei Michkov, No. 2 on NHL Central Scouting's midterm ranking presented by BioSteel of International skaters, has a message for any NHL general manager hesitant to select him at the top of the 2023 NHL Draft. "It is my dream to play in the NHL one day," Michkov told NHL.com through an interpreter. "But for now I will continue to work on my game and develop as a player at home." Home at this moment is Russia, where the 18-year-old right wing (5-foot-10, 172 pounds) had 20 points (nine goals, 11 assists) in 30 games in the Kontinental Hockey League this season. |
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Post by acesandeights on Apr 20, 2023 7:18:01 GMT -6
He’s listed at 147/148 on DB and Elite prospects. I was listening to a podcast yesterday about draft eligible kids and they touched on his weight being an issue. However, he’ll hopefully be in North America for the combine and draft. We’ll find out then!!! From central scouting.... Matvei Michkov, No. 2 on NHL Central Scouting's midterm ranking presented by BioSteel of International skaters, has a message for any NHL general manager hesitant to select him at the top of the 2023 NHL Draft. "It is my dream to play in the NHL one day," Michkov told NHL.com through an interpreter. "But for now I will continue to work on my game and develop as a player at home." Home at this moment is Russia, where the 18-year-old right wing (5-foot-10, 172 pounds) had 20 points (nine goals, 11 assists) in 30 games in the Kontinental Hockey League this season. I wonder if some of the lighter weights were from a little ways back and weren't updated numbers. I assume all these numbers been coming out of Russia. At 5'10, 172 lbs., should the Hawks have a chance to take Michkov but ultimately pass, size should not be a reason. Frank Nazar is the same size, and they took him at 15. From what I found, Nazar was 5'10, 175lbs. in his draft year. I've even seen Nazar shown as 5'9 on a couple of sites. |
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Post by steamer on Apr 20, 2023 7:34:07 GMT -6
Bedard is listed as 5’10” but 185.
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 20, 2023 7:36:19 GMT -6
From central scouting.... Matvei Michkov, No. 2 on NHL Central Scouting's midterm ranking presented by BioSteel of International skaters, has a message for any NHL general manager hesitant to select him at the top of the 2023 NHL Draft. "It is my dream to play in the NHL one day," Michkov told NHL.com through an interpreter. "But for now I will continue to work on my game and develop as a player at home." Home at this moment is Russia, where the 18-year-old right wing (5-foot-10, 172 pounds) had 20 points (nine goals, 11 assists) in 30 games in the Kontinental Hockey League this season. I wonder if some of the lighter weights were from a little ways back and weren't updated numbers. I assume all these numbers been coming out of Russia. At 5'10, 172 lbs., should the Hawks have a chance to take Michkov but ultimately pass, size should not be a reason. Frank Nazar is the same size, and they took him at 15. From what I found, Nazar was 5'10, 175lbs. in his draft year. I've even seen Nazar shown as 5'9 on a couple of sites. Height and weight of prospects in particular has been a point of contention for years here and probably on the old boards as well. It's surprising in this day and age there's so much guesswork and uncertainty. Edit: take michkov. This close to the draft, there should be no doubt here to his approximate weight. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 20, 2023 10:33:09 GMT -6
From central scouting.... Matvei Michkov, No. 2 on NHL Central Scouting's midterm ranking presented by BioSteel of International skaters, has a message for any NHL general manager hesitant to select him at the top of the 2023 NHL Draft. "It is my dream to play in the NHL one day," Michkov told NHL.com through an interpreter. "But for now I will continue to work on my game and develop as a player at home." Home at this moment is Russia, where the 18-year-old right wing (5-foot-10, 172 pounds) had 20 points (nine goals, 11 assists) in 30 games in the Kontinental Hockey League this season. I wonder if some of the lighter weights were from a little ways back and weren't updated numbers. I assume all these numbers been coming out of Russia. At 5'10, 172 lbs., should the Hawks have a chance to take Michkov but ultimately pass, size should not be a reason. Frank Nazar is the same size, and they took him at 15. From what I found, Nazar was 5'10, 175lbs. in his draft year. I've even seen Nazar shown as 5'9 on a couple of sites. A few months back I read somewhere that in Russia he is considered to be an Ovi type shooter/sniper. Maybe one of OUR European "Black Hawk Talk" Scouts can find out. |
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