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Post by BigT on Apr 20, 2023 12:30:33 GMT -6
A while back on JayZs show. They had a scout on there. He does all the scouting for the Athletic I believe. I’m not saying o believe everything he said. But he did say that Mishkov is the most offensively gifted player he has ever seen. And they said better than Bedard and McDavid. And he said yes. So I’m not saying that’s true. But that’s definitely big words there.
I’m not sold on him. I’m not saying he won’t be good. I just don’t know if he fits the bill. To wait 3 years longer is the issue. What if he gets injured in that time and doesn’t end up making it over? There’s too many variables with him. I hope he’s awesome and hope he makes it over. I don’t want the Hawks to wait on him. And I’d like to see if a Center could be had this year. A top Center. If it is a winger. Ok, but I’d want them available before 3 years!!!
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Post by vadarx on Apr 20, 2023 13:02:40 GMT -6
I wonder if some of the lighter weights were from a little ways back and weren't updated numbers. I assume all these numbers been coming out of Russia. At 5'10, 172 lbs., should the Hawks have a chance to take Michkov but ultimately pass, size should not be a reason. Frank Nazar is the same size, and they took him at 15. From what I found, Nazar was 5'10, 175lbs. in his draft year. I've even seen Nazar shown as 5'9 on a couple of sites. A few months back I read somewhere that in Russia he is considered to be an Ovi type shooter/sniper. Maybe one of OUR European "Black Hawk Talk" Scouts can find out. I've read a few reports that claim he is the best prospect outta Russia since Ovechkin. if he was a center and a couple inches taller, even with the delay in his arrival, he would be the unquestioned second pick this year and probably first overall last year or next. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 20, 2023 13:37:18 GMT -6
The problem with Mishkov is the position. He is a small scoring winger who is already fully formed.
This team does not have a first-line centre. There are no power wingers in the system. These players take longer to develop.
Adding Mishkov without getting the other positions settled first would be a waste. Wingers need linemates to be useful. By the time the Hawks are ready to compete, Mishkov would be on the verge of entering UFA and already making franchise-type dollars.
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Post by mvr on Apr 20, 2023 13:47:44 GMT -6
Of the big four (including Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson) I would pick Mishkov last. The other three players project to be first line centres. Carlsson (6'3") and Fantilli (6'2") also might provide some power down the middle after they fill out.
If I am Davidson, I would likely would attempt to trade down a few slots if Mishkov is the only one left. I believe he could get a big haul for Mishkov, including at bare minimum two high first round picks.
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Post by vadarx on Apr 20, 2023 14:19:20 GMT -6
Of the big four (including Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson) I would pick Mishkov last. The other three players project to be first line centres. Carlsson (6'3") and Fantilli (6'2") also might provide some power down the middle after they fill out. If I am Davidson, I would likely would attempt to trade down a few slots if Mishkov is the only one left. I believe he could get a big haul for Mishkov, including at bare minimum two high first round picks. if they can get a haul for the 3rd or 4th OA, I wouldn't be opposed to it. more kicks at the can and all. if they decide to roll the dice at 4 on Michkov, I won't be upset either. with the amount of first and second rounders they have in the next 3 drafts, taking a shot on a guy that could be a franchise player down the road is understandable. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 20, 2023 14:23:00 GMT -6
The problem with Mishkov is the position. He is a small scoring winger who is already fully formed. This team does not have a first-line centre. There are no power wingers in the system. These players take longer to develop. Adding Mishkov without getting the other positions settled first would be a waste. Wingers need linemates to be useful. By the time the Hawks are ready to compete, Mishkov would be on the verge of entering UFA and already making franchise-type dollars. I hear ya, but with it being a full 3 seasons before Michkov would arrive in Chicago, I could see how the brass would believe they had time to draft and develop those other players before he arrived, starting this year with their other draft picks. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 20, 2023 15:34:41 GMT -6
The problem with Mishkov is the position. He is a small scoring winger who is already fully formed. This team does not have a first-line centre. There are no power wingers in the system. These players take longer to develop. Adding Mishkov without getting the other positions settled first would be a waste. Wingers need linemates to be useful. By the time the Hawks are ready to compete, Mishkov would be on the verge of entering UFA and already making franchise-type dollars. Just a thought and btw I am not advocating to take him at # 4 overall if that is where we land in this year's draft.: If Mishkov is the one we draft and he comes over three years later from his contract in the KHL, when he signs his ELC does that not mean he would not be up for his franchise type dollars sometime closer to 2028-2029 which is 5-to-6-years from now? Will his ELC be much higher than typically ones we see now which average between $825k-$950k or will he just sign a 1-year deal like Kaprizov and then ask for a deal similar he signed for this season. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 20, 2023 17:08:08 GMT -6
The problem with Mishkov is the position. He is a small scoring winger who is already fully formed. This team does not have a first-line centre. There are no power wingers in the system. These players take longer to develop. Adding Mishkov without getting the other positions settled first would be a waste. Wingers need linemates to be useful. By the time the Hawks are ready to compete, Mishkov would be on the verge of entering UFA and already making franchise-type dollars. I'm kinda with you on this one. It's not so much the waiting 3 years because that lines up pretty well with the rebuild timeline - although I'm a little concerned with the whole "Russian thing" - but it's more a thing where the Hawks don't really have much size in their high level forward prospects, especially centers - so I would prefer a slightly less skilled offensive player with size who can play center in all 3 zones than a gifted offensive player who is a small winger who plays little to no defense. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 20, 2023 17:41:32 GMT -6
The problem with Mishkov is the position. He is a small scoring winger who is already fully formed. This team does not have a first-line centre. There are no power wingers in the system. These players take longer to develop. Adding Mishkov without getting the other positions settled first would be a waste. Wingers need linemates to be useful. By the time the Hawks are ready to compete, Mishkov would be on the verge of entering UFA and already making franchise-type dollars. Just a thought and btw I am not advocating to take him at # 4 overall if that is where we land in this year's draft.: If Mishkov is the one we draft and he comes over three years later from his contract in the KHL, when he signs his ELC does that not mean he would not be up for his franchise type dollars sometime closer to 2028-2029 which is 5-to-6-years from now? Will his ELC be much higher than typically ones we see now which average between $825k-$950k or will he just sign a 1-year deal like Kaprizov and then ask for a deal similar he signed for this season. If Mishkov comes over in three years, he signs a two-year contract. Then he is a RFA. At that point, he is also getting close to his UFA years. To stretch him out long term at that stage would cost big dollars. This means there is no possibility of an extended bridge-type deal. We are looking at the player being in the position to command franchise player dollars at exactly the time the team is looking to compete. Unfortunately, this means the team does not get any real cap benefit of Mishkov playing with a below market value contract. The Hawks were never really competitive after Kane/Toews started on their $10.5 M/year deals. Chicago won all three cups during the star players' entry level and bridge contract years. To win in this era, teams need their best players signed at below market value. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 20, 2023 18:05:34 GMT -6
The second contract - the bridge deal - is almost always the most important.
This is typically when the scorers peak in terms of their production. It is also the point where a player's production matched against his contract is at its best value.
The further away a player is from UFA, the less leverage the agent has in negotiations.
If a player has four years left before UFA, the team can stretch the contract over seven or eight and only have to commit the big dollars for the final three or four. If the player, however, is one or two years away, negotiations will have to reflect the reality that most of the contract years are after UFA.
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Post by mvr on Apr 20, 2023 18:12:31 GMT -6
The problem with Mishkov is the position. He is a small scoring winger who is already fully formed. This team does not have a first-line centre. There are no power wingers in the system. These players take longer to develop. Adding Mishkov without getting the other positions settled first would be a waste. Wingers need linemates to be useful. By the time the Hawks are ready to compete, Mishkov would be on the verge of entering UFA and already making franchise-type dollars. I'm kinda with you on this one. It's not so much the waiting 3 years because that lines up pretty well with the rebuild timeline - although I'm a little concerned with the whole "Russian thing" - but it's more a thing where the Hawks don't really have much size in their high level forward prospects, especially centers - so I would prefer a slightly less skilled offensive player with size who can play center in all 3 zones than a gifted offensive player who is a small winger who plays little to no defense. I value quality two-way centres and defenders more than offence-only scorers and always have. To my mind, a team can find ways to generate scoring (if necessary by committee). It is much more of a challenge to find players who control the middle of the ice and prevent goals as well as score them. I admire both Kane and Toews. But if forced to choose peak Toews or peak Kane - I pick Toews without question. I am quite confident most coaches would as well. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 20, 2023 20:00:54 GMT -6
Mishkov might become a great offensive player but if the Hawks pick 4th they should trade down, with everything going on in the Ukraine it'd be best for a young gm to stay away.
Let's hope for a top3 pick 🤞
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 20, 2023 20:04:17 GMT -6
I'm kinda with you on this one. It's not so much the waiting 3 years because that lines up pretty well with the rebuild timeline - although I'm a little concerned with the whole "Russian thing" - but it's more a thing where the Hawks don't really have much size in their high level forward prospects, especially centers - so I would prefer a slightly less skilled offensive player with size who can play center in all 3 zones than a gifted offensive player who is a small winger who plays little to no defense. I value quality two-way centres and defenders more than offence-only scorers and always have. To my mind, a team can find ways to generate scoring (if necessary by committee). It is much more of a challenge to find players who control the middle of the ice and prevent goals as well as score them. I admire both Kane and Toews. But if forced to choose peak Toews or peak Kane - I pick Toews without question. I am quite confident most coaches would as well. And I take peak Keith LOL |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 20, 2023 20:24:14 GMT -6
I watched Sarnia complete the sweep over Saginaw tonight so EDM is on to the 3rd round in the OHL playoffs. EDM isn't a great skater but I think he skates well enough to play in the NHL. He plays well positionally and I really like the heavy game he plays. He doesn't take himself out of position to make a hit but he usually gets a couple good hits in every game.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 20, 2023 20:55:57 GMT -6
I watched Sarnia complete the sweep over Saginaw tonight so EDM is on to the 3rd round in the OHL playoffs. EDM isn't a great skater but I think he skates well enough to play in the NHL. He plays well positionally and I really like the heavy game he plays. He doesn't take himself out of position to make a hit but he usually gets a couple good hits in every game. He's similar to Seabrook, not a fast skater but good enough, their awareness and size break up a lot of plays and there's big hits. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 21, 2023 3:33:04 GMT -6
I watched Sarnia complete the sweep over Saginaw tonight so EDM is on to the 3rd round in the OHL playoffs. EDM isn't a great skater but I think he skates well enough to play in the NHL. He plays well positionally and I really like the heavy game he plays. He doesn't take himself out of position to make a hit but he usually gets a couple good hits in every game. I sit 6 rows off the ice. Just enough where the glass doesn’t impede my view. I’ve seen EDM quite a few times over the last few years. This past year he was pretty dominant. Now I know he’s the older guy now. But his skating isn’t bad at all. He’s huge. So he looks like he’s moving slow. But in reality he’s going pretty good. I’ve seen Oliver Peer who’s a world class skater. I mean this kid skates like McDavid. And I’m not joking. He beats everyone on the outside. Not EDM. He shut Peer down the last few times I seen him. Here’s a clip of how fast this kid is, just to see what I’m talking about!!! youtu.be/XwmTUwwDiPg |
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Post by acesandeights on Apr 21, 2023 7:17:50 GMT -6
The problem with Mishkov is the position. He is a small scoring winger who is already fully formed. This team does not have a first-line centre. There are no power wingers in the system. These players take longer to develop. Adding Mishkov without getting the other positions settled first would be a waste. Wingers need linemates to be useful. By the time the Hawks are ready to compete, Mishkov would be on the verge of entering UFA and already making franchise-type dollars. I hear ya, but with it being a full 3 seasons before Michkov would arrive in Chicago, I could see how the brass would believe they had time to draft and develop those other players before he arrived, starting this year with their other draft picks. You make a good point; over the next three years other picks, especially last years and this years picks, will have had more time to develop. I probably think a little different than some but I don't have a problem with it being three years before Michkov would be in NA. Unless you're getting a McDavid or a Crosby, there are high first rounders that don't go to the NHL for at least one year anyway. And even some that do go straight to the NHL don't do much at all their first or second year, such as Jack Hughes or Kaapo Kaako. Nazar and Korchinski (I thought) are going to be in college and juniors again this upcoming season so it will be their third year at the earliest before joining the Blackhawks. I guess I don't see going with a lesser player for the sake of getting someone that could join the Hawks one year sooner. Rebuilding will take time. I know some think differently but my worthless opinion is if you're picking 3 or 4 and have a chance to get an elite level player, you don't pass it up and take a lesser player. How often do you get the chance to get an elite player? And goal scoring is the hardest skill to acquire. This could all be a moot point. It may be the front office will decide Michkov isn't what they want for the Blackhawks. Or wherever the Hawks pick that Michkov is already gone. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 21, 2023 10:09:49 GMT -6
I watched Sarnia complete the sweep over Saginaw tonight so EDM is on to the 3rd round in the OHL playoffs. EDM isn't a great skater but I think he skates well enough to play in the NHL. He plays well positionally and I really like the heavy game he plays. He doesn't take himself out of position to make a hit but he usually gets a couple good hits in every game. I sit 6 rows off the ice. Just enough where the glass doesn’t impede my view. I’ve seen EDM quite a few times over the last few years. This past year he was pretty dominant. Now I know he’s the older guy now. But his skating isn’t bad at all. He’s huge. So he looks like he’s moving slow. But in reality he’s going pretty good. I’ve seen Oliver Peer who’s a world class skater. I mean this kid skates like McDavid. And I’m not joking. He beats everyone on the outside. Not EDM. He shut Peer down the last few times I seen him. Here’s a clip of how fast this kid is, just to see what I’m talking about!!! youtu.be/XwmTUwwDiPgNice move in that clip. I looked him up to see what year he will be draft eligible and was surprised that he was 20 and undrafted. What gives? |
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Post by BigT on Apr 21, 2023 11:57:26 GMT -6
I sit 6 rows off the ice. Just enough where the glass doesn’t impede my view. I’ve seen EDM quite a few times over the last few years. This past year he was pretty dominant. Now I know he’s the older guy now. But his skating isn’t bad at all. He’s huge. So he looks like he’s moving slow. But in reality he’s going pretty good. I’ve seen Oliver Peer who’s a world class skater. I mean this kid skates like McDavid. And I’m not joking. He beats everyone on the outside. Not EDM. He shut Peer down the last few times I seen him. Here’s a clip of how fast this kid is, just to see what I’m talking about!!! youtu.be/XwmTUwwDiPgNice move in that clip. I looked him up to see what year he will be draft eligible and was surprised that he was 20 and undrafted. What gives? From what I hear. And this could be dead wrong. But his parents may have been an issue and he went undrafted. He was a walk on. Voted best skater in the OHL. He could play a role on an NHL team. Skating like that does not come around very often. I’d take a flier on him for an AHL contract. I’m sure someone will. But EDM kept that speedy bastard to the outside and Peer played the perimeter game every time. 6’4” is a big boy!!! |
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Post by squishy24 on Apr 23, 2023 21:11:54 GMT -6
Any opinion on Gabe Perreault? Yanic’s son, he just broke Auston Matthews scoring record in USNTDP. Ranked around the 20’s in this year’s draft
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Post by vadarx on Apr 24, 2023 1:03:16 GMT -6
Any opinion on Gabe Perreault? Yanic’s son, he just broke Auston Matthews scoring record in USNTDP. Ranked around the 20’s in this year’s draft smaller, offensive winger. dunno about his edges or speed too much. I kinda passed over him cuz he seems like the type we don't need right now, at least with our second first rounder. the only wingers we take in the first are going to be the ones that could be superstars, imo. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 24, 2023 7:02:42 GMT -6
Any opinion on Gabe Perreault? Yanic’s son, he just broke Auston Matthews scoring record in USNTDP. Ranked around the 20’s in this year’s draft smaller, offensive winger. dunno about his edges or speed too much. I kinda passed over him cuz he seems like the type we don't need right now, at least with our second first rounder. the only wingers we take in the first are going to be the ones that could be superstars, imo. You’re bang on here. If a winger is a game changer. You’re taking him. Michkov is good, very good. If he was anything but Russian. He’d be #2. Do the Hawks wanna wait on this fella? Or do they trade down? I do believe they’ll trade back and take a kid like Barlow and get other picks. I could see the Hawks trading picks #4, 35 for picks 7, and 12 or something like that. Montreal has 2. Arizona has 2. So it’s possible. And it’s also possible to move up. So we’ll see!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 24, 2023 7:54:08 GMT -6
how about Will Smith?
fast, lots of offensive tools, and is a center. not sure about his defensive game, though.
if we drop to 4 or 5, I could see him being the pick.
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Post by tincup on Apr 24, 2023 8:11:45 GMT -6
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 24, 2023 8:17:09 GMT -6
how about Will Smith? fast, lots of offensive tools, and is a center. not sure about his defensive game, though. if we drop to 4 or 5, I could see him being the pick. Im in extremely talented player Center will go to BU for 2 years then should be ready. Then if Barlow is still there at 11or 12 I start making calls. EP has not come out with there draft guide yet thats usually the one I read the most , but right now i dont think Smith would be the end of the world in a worse case scenario. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 24, 2023 8:18:41 GMT -6
how about Will Smith? fast, lots of offensive tools, and is a center. not sure about his defensive game, though. if we drop to 4 or 5, I could see him being the pick. I watched the US vs Norway the other day. He was toying with the Norge. I was weirded out by his #. He had #2. But it was the Norge and they’re not a powerhouse by any means. So we’ll see. He just doesn’t stNd out to me as a game breaker. Neither does Carlsson. I know MVR believes that if they’re a high pick and a Center, you’re set for a decade plus. But they did the same with Dach and it didn’t work out. Gotta get the best player. Smith had 42 points in 20 games. Which is good. But we’d have to see him in College or wherever he plays next year. He could be another Alex Turcotte type. So I’m a bit weary of him at this point!!! |
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Post by mvr on Apr 24, 2023 9:48:10 GMT -6
For the Dach draft, my hope was that Bowman would trade down two or three spots.
I wanted either Dach or Cozens, and I believed one or both would be available. I was not excited about taking a defenceman with questionable skills in his own end.
Dach was not a poor pick. The team ruined him by developing him badly.
For this draft, if when the Hawks pick at four or five, what remains is the Russian winger, I would trade down and attempt to collect an additional pick or more later in the first round.
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Post by mvr on Apr 24, 2023 9:56:09 GMT -6
So much of the amateur draft is about luck.
Scouting 18-year-olds and projecting their development in four or more years is not a precise science.
Whenever possible, I prefer the team adding more picks and taking their chances by playing the odds.
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Post by phill9 on Apr 24, 2023 10:07:09 GMT -6
how about Will Smith? fast, lots of offensive tools, and is a center. not sure about his defensive game, though. if we drop to 4 or 5, I could see him being the pick. I hear he can be pretty physical if provoked....just ask Chris Rock 😆 |
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Post by tincup on Apr 24, 2023 10:52:10 GMT -6
I’ll take the player with slightly less talent but with the fully mature work effort every time. I’m sure evaluating the pysche of players is another tool when they interview.
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