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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 24, 2023 11:27:12 GMT -6
There are only a handful of 2023 eligible players I've actually seen play more than a highlight video. I've read opinions, more opinions, and even more opinions. My head is spinning. Other than Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson - I may as well pull names out of a hat to decide which players I want the Hawks to draft. That is to say I don't know.
What I do know - as it stands right now the Hawks get to select 9 players out of the first 100 selections. That's pretty darn good. They should be able to make the team better - maybe even considerably better. While we won't know how much better for a few years, giving those players time to mature and develop - I'm ready to immediately go all a-ga-ga on the players the Hawks select. Bring on the draft already.
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Post by BigT on Apr 24, 2023 14:16:34 GMT -6
There are only a handful of 2023 eligible players I've actually seen play more than a highlight video. I've read opinions, more opinions, and even more opinions. My head is spinning. Other than Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson - I may as well pull names out of a hat to decide which players I want the Hawks to draft. That is to say I don't know. What I do know - as it stands right now the Hawks get to select 9 players out of the first 100 selections. That's pretty darn good. They should be able to make the team better - maybe even considerably better. While we won't know how much better for a few years, giving those players time to mature and develop - I'm ready to immediately go all a-ga-ga on the players the Hawks select. Bring on the draft already. Honest question. What’s your thoughts on Carlsson? I’m leery on him due to him being roughly a year older. Bedard is a 2005 and he’s a 2004. So is Fantilli. But Fantilli has really lit up the league he’s in. 2 points a game is solid in the NCAA. I feel Carlsson we be a mediocre scorer and probably be a decent defensive minded Center. That’s all great. But not at #3 overall. He got 6 points in 7 games at the WJC. He’s in the older birth year which means he’s played an extra year. Nothing wrong with that. It happens all the time. Tavares, Ovechkin comes to mind. I’m just not sold on Carlsson. But wanted to see what you think of him!!! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 24, 2023 15:04:36 GMT -6
There are only a handful of 2023 eligible players I've actually seen play more than a highlight video. I've read opinions, more opinions, and even more opinions. My head is spinning. Other than Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson - I may as well pull names out of a hat to decide which players I want the Hawks to draft. That is to say I don't know. What I do know - as it stands right now the Hawks get to select 9 players out of the first 100 selections. That's pretty darn good. They should be able to make the team better - maybe even considerably better. While we won't know how much better for a few years, giving those players time to mature and develop - I'm ready to immediately go all a-ga-ga on the players the Hawks select. Bring on the draft already. Honest question. What’s your thoughts on Carlsson? I’m leery on him due to him being roughly a year older. Bedard is a 2005 and he’s a 2004. So is Fantilli. But Fantilli has really lit up the league he’s in. 2 points a game is solid in the NCAA. I feel Carlsson we be a mediocre scorer and probably be a decent defensive minded Center. That’s all great. But not at #3 overall. He got 6 points in 7 games at the WJC. He’s in the older birth year which means he’s played an extra year. Nothing wrong with that. It happens all the time. Tavares, Ovechkin comes to mind. I’m just not sold on Carlsson. But wanted to see what you think of him!!! I've read some opinions on Carlsson which say he's a safe pick in that he has a fairly high floor but perhaps not as high a ceiling as you would want in the top-3 picks. I agree on the high floor but not on the limited ceiling part of that. I'm not sure his ceiling would be as high as Elias Petersson but think it will be high enough to warrant the #3 pick. Toews wasn't a high end scorer either but did everything else at such a high level that his less than 1ppg was not a problem. I watched about 5 or 6 Orebro games and I like the way he plays and would be pleased if the Hawks selected him. That said - I haven't watched W.Smith or any of those USNDTP players and very little Z.Benson ... so I don't know how Carlsson stacks up against them. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 24, 2023 15:24:38 GMT -6
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Post by phill9 on Apr 24, 2023 20:48:45 GMT -6
So where would the draft pick from Tampa be if they lose in the first round? Pretty sure it's #20, but with so many variants based on how far a team may go, wondering if it could end up high teens? If Winnipeg and the Islanders advance, wouldn't that push the pick up to at least 18?
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Post by vadarx on Apr 24, 2023 23:49:01 GMT -6
So where would the draft pick from Tampa be if they lose in the first round? Pretty sure it's #20, but with so many variants based on how far a team may go, wondering if it could end up high teens? If Winnipeg and the Islanders advance, wouldn't that push the pick up to at least 18? I believe so, but sadly it look like neither of those is doing to happen... also, about to be crushing a chocolate cake shake here shortly...😉 |
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Post by mvr on Apr 25, 2023 6:58:33 GMT -6
So where would the draft pick from Tampa be if they lose in the first round? Pretty sure it's #20, but with so many variants based on how far a team may go, wondering if it could end up high teens? If Winnipeg and the Islanders advance, wouldn't that push the pick up to at least 18? Should the Rangers lose to NJ, does that impact the selection order for that second round pick acquired in the Kane deal? Considering the supposed depth of this year's draft, it might be better for Davidson to get that pick this year. An early Ranger exit always makes me happy. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 25, 2023 7:13:29 GMT -6
So where would the draft pick from Tampa be if they lose in the first round? Pretty sure it's #20, but with so many variants based on how far a team may go, wondering if it could end up high teens? If Winnipeg and the Islanders advance, wouldn't that push the pick up to at least 18? Should the Rangers lose to NJ, does that impact the selection order for that second round pick acquired in the Kane deal? Considering the supposed depth of this year's draft, it might be better for Davidson to get that pick this year. An early Ranger exit always makes me happy. Ive said the same thing. I believe that pick could also be used to move up. I strongly believe the Hawks can get another 1st for two 2nd rounders. I really feel that could happen. A team picking between 17-25 may want to refill the cupboards and this is exactly the draft to do it. If a team feels they can get two players that they covet, I see that happening. Then I believe there’s already discussions that took place about taking on a bad contract and getting another first rounder. I could see the Hawks with 4 firsts this year!!! |
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Post by mvr on Apr 25, 2023 7:51:23 GMT -6
If this draft is as deep as advertised, I might just keep the picks and try to add more by trading down with that first pick and taking on a bad contract or two.
As it stands, should the Rangers lose, the Hawks have six picks in the top sixty. If Davidson hits on four or five of them (which seems realistic given what scouts are telling us), this team is in very good shape.
I don't see the need to trade up. The odds of finding a real impact star (even in the deepest drafts) tend to level off after pick 10. Davidson might have better luck finding useful players picking more often in the second round.
But of course if the Russian kid for whatever reason drops out of the top ten, Davidson definitely should go for it. This kind of thing has happened before. Alexei Cherepanov (RIP) was a consensus top five pick who dropped to 17th overall in 2007. Tarasenko dropped to 16th in 2010.
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Post by BigT on Apr 25, 2023 8:49:06 GMT -6
If this draft is as deep as advertised, I might just keep the picks and try to add more by trading down with that first pick and taking on a bad contract or two. As it stands, should the Rangers lose, the Hawks have six picks in the top sixty. If Davidson hits on four or five of them (which seems realistic given what scouts are telling us), this team is in very good shape. I don't see the need to trade up. The odds of finding a real impact star (even in the deepest drafts) tend to level off after pick 10. Davidson might have better luck finding useful players picking more often in the second round. But of course if the Russian kid for whatever reason drops out of the top ten, Davidson definitely should go for it. This kind of thing has happened before. Alexei Cherepanov (RIP) was a consensus top five pick who dropped to 17th overall in 2007. Tarasenko dropped to 16th in 2010. I believe you can still get a solid player in the first round. Maybe not Pastrnak. But I believe you could still find a Tage Thompson, Robertson, McAvoy, Hossa, etc. Those guys do kick around the middle of the draft. Impact players are there. History is the best teacher. We need to look at the 2015 draft. I believe this one will be similar. 2nd round in 2015 produced these NHLers: Dermott, Fischer, S Aho, Carlo, AJ Greer, Blackwood, Cernak, Hintz, Greenway, Lauzon, Rasmus Andersson, V Dunn, Stenland. That’s a lot. But there’s only a few that really make a difference. So I think it’s best to get the higher picks. Look at 2015 first round NHLers: McDavid, Eichel, Strome, Marner, Hanafin, Zacha, Provorov, Werenski, Meier, Rantanen, Crouse, Gurianov, Debrusk, Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Erksson-Ek, White, Samsonov, Boeser, Koneckny, Roslovic, Beauvillier. The middle of the pack isn’t that bad. Actually, pretty great. If this draft is anywhere near as good as 2015. Gotta get 1st rounders!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 25, 2023 14:17:29 GMT -6
So where would the draft pick from Tampa be if they lose in the first round? Pretty sure it's #20, but with so many variants based on how far a team may go, wondering if it could end up high teens? If Winnipeg and the Islanders advance, wouldn't that push the pick up to at least 18? Should the Rangers lose to NJ, does that impact the selection order for that second round pick acquired in the Kane deal? Considering the supposed depth of this year's draft, it might be better for Davidson to get that pick this year. An early Ranger exit always makes me happy. if the rags lose, then the 2nd rounder we get this year would move up a little. if they win, then everyone here should be pulling for them to beat the brakes off of the 'canes. |
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Post by 2old4this on Apr 25, 2023 17:50:23 GMT -6
There are only a handful of 2023 eligible players I've actually seen play more than a highlight video. I've read opinions, more opinions, and even more opinions. My head is spinning. Other than Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson - I may as well pull names out of a hat to decide which players I want the Hawks to draft. That is to say I don't know. What I do know - as it stands right now the Hawks get to select 9 players out of the first 100 selections. That's pretty darn good. They should be able to make the team better - maybe even considerably better. While we won't know how much better for a few years, giving those players time to mature and develop - I'm ready to immediately go all a-ga-ga on the players the Hawks select. Bring on the draft already. Between the Hawks and da Bears, this is a damned exciting time of year. Both teams stand to improve substantially. wOOt! |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 26, 2023 10:50:02 GMT -6
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 26, 2023 13:54:14 GMT -6
OK - I'll admit, being an old retired geezer gives me too much time to sit around and noodle on the Hawks draft ... but bear with me ...
The Hawks already have a top-5 pick and the TB pick currently at #20. What if with a little maneuvering the Hawks can get 3 picks in the top-11?
Step-1. Trade with cap crunched Vancouver to take the last year of Tyler Myers off their books by trading our second 2nd rounder (#44) for Myers and their 1st rounder (#11).
Step-2. Trade with St. Louis where we send them the #20 pick and #35 pick for their #10 pick.
Then select one of: Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov, W.Smith
And two of: Leonard, Benson, Sale, Dvorsky, Barlow, Moore or Reinbacher.
And then there is still (2) 2nds and (2) 3rds remaining.
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Post by Nikos on Apr 26, 2023 14:41:18 GMT -6
OK - I'll admit, being an old retired geezer gives me too much time to sit around and noodle on the Hawks draft ... but bear with me ... The Hawks already have a top-5 pick and the TB pick currently at #20. What if with a little maneuvering the Hawks can get 3 picks in the top-11? Step-1. Trade with cap crunched Vancouver to take the last year of Tyler Myers off their books by trading our second 2nd rounder (#44) for Myers and their 1st rounder (#11). Step-2. Trade with St. Louis where we send them the #20 pick and #35 pick for their #10 pick. Then select one of: Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov, W.Smith And two of: Leonard, Benson, Sale, Dvorsky, Barlow, Moore or Reinbacher. And then there is still (2) 2nds and (2) 3rds remaining. I like the thinking getting 3 in the top 11. Just need dance partners to make it happen. I believe the Vancouver one is more realistic though assuming they do not move up in the draft. I believe St Louis has 3 1st, but probably not willing to give up the higher one currently now at 10 although they can move up and even get Bedard if the lottery balls are kind to them. Both Vancouver and St Louis would wait until after the lottery to see where they would be drafting before making any of that type of move. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 26, 2023 15:28:33 GMT -6
OK - I'll admit, being an old retired geezer gives me too much time to sit around and noodle on the Hawks draft ... but bear with me ... The Hawks already have a top-5 pick and the TB pick currently at #20. What if with a little maneuvering the Hawks can get 3 picks in the top-11? Step-1. Trade with cap crunched Vancouver to take the last year of Tyler Myers off their books by trading our second 2nd rounder (#44) for Myers and their 1st rounder (#11). Step-2. Trade with St. Louis where we send them the #20 pick and #35 pick for their #10 pick. Then select one of: Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov, W.Smith And two of: Leonard, Benson, Sale, Dvorsky, Barlow, Moore or Reinbacher. And then there is still (2) 2nds and (2) 3rds remaining. I am onboard with this plan! I dunno if the blows would be, but Vancouver REALLY needs cap help for next season. they're already over the cap by 3 million, only have 19 players signed, and have Petterson up for a big re-do after next season. they might want a bit more for that first rounder, but I'd throw in another pick in the 2nd or 3rd next year for it. heck, we could probably even send a d prospect their way if needed. the more firsts we can get this June, the better. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 27, 2023 11:33:44 GMT -6
With the lottery approaching soon and draft to follow, here is a question to all my Hawks posters on this board: Do we need Bedard for a successful rebuild? Is he a must to revive the Hawks franchisee? I submit the answer is No. Sure we/I want him, who wouldn't. We all have all seen the highlights, the dominance in the World Juniors, the ridiculous points per game this season.
If you look back all Stanley Cup Champions have in common is minute eating, puck possession defensemen Sure, elite scorers are necessary, but I believe top tier defensemen are more important to a complete team and championship success. Defensemen should not be solely measured by their offense, especially point production (sure points are nice and they help), but they should be evaluated on possession time and moving the puck.
Let's look at history recently. We Hawk fans know what Keith and Seabrook meant for the 3 cups. How about Tampa, Victor Hedman and now Sergachev, Pittsburg won with Kris Letang and Justin Schultz. What more? St Louis with Pietrangelo and the Caps with John Carlson. Last year it was Cale Maker, The Kings had Drew Doughty, Bruins, Chara. Go back to the Islanders dynasty in the 1980's it was Dennis Potvin, Oilers with Coffey, Montreal in the 70's with Larry Robinson, Red Wings with Lindstrom and on and on and on. New Jersey Devils with Scott Stevens and Ducks with Scott Niedermayer.
For all the greatness of the two most recent generational players (McDavid and Matthews), how many cups have they won? McDavid also has another top 5 player in Driasait and Matthews is surrounded with lots of offensive talent, Taveras, Marner, Nylander and both teams have not found the top pairing defensemen yet. I guess will see this year and one could put a hole in my argument.
Keeping all this in mind, my opinion the key to our Hawks resurgence and prominence again is to develop the likes of Korchinski, Ethan Del Mastro, Allan, etc. EDM is a bit of a wild card, he is a big defensemen than can skate fairly well and more of a shutdown defenseman, but he can move the puck and transition quickly.
I submit winning the first pick this year is not an absolute must, sure Fantilli and or perhaps Carlsson would be a good consolation prize. The future of this team hinges on Korchinski and his ability to be a 20-25 minute per game of puck possession and offensive pressure. And if it is not Korchinski we need to find one then and soon. This goes back to the Hawks not taking Byram back in 2019, sure the kid has had issues with concussions, but so have a lot of others, this is a physical and sometimes violent sport.
I am still rooting and hoping the lottery balls are kind on May 8th, but let's not get down or go to the nearest highest building and jump off.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 27, 2023 11:52:52 GMT -6
With the lottery approaching soon and draft to follow, here is a question to all my Hawks posters on this board: Do we need Bedard for a successful rebuild? Is he a must to revive the Hawks franchisee? I submit the answer is No. Sure we/I want him, who wouldn't. We all have all seen the highlights, the dominance in the World Juniors, the ridiculous points per game this season. If you look back all Stanley Cup Champions have in common is minute eating, puck possession defensemen Sure, elite scorers are necessary, but I believe top tier defensemen are more important to a complete team and championship success. Defensemen should not be solely measured by their offense, especially point production (sure points are nice and they help), but they should be evaluated on possession time and moving the puck. Let's look at history recently. We Hawk fans know what Keith and Seabrook meant for the 3 cups. How about Tampa, Victor Hedman and now Sergachev, Pittsburg won with Kris Letang and Justin Schultz. What more? St Louis with Pietrangelo and the Caps with John Carlson. Last year it was Cale Maker, The Kings had Drew Doughty, Bruins, Chara. Go back to the Islanders dynasty in the 1980's it was Dennis Potvin, Oilers with Coffey, Montreal in the 70's with Larry Robinson, Red Wings with Lindstrom and on and on and on. New Jersey Devils with Scott Stevens and Ducks with Scott Niedermayer. For all the greatness of the two most recent generational players (McDavid and Matthews), how many cups have they won? McDavid also has another top 5 player in Driasait and Matthews is surrounded with lots of offensive talent, Taveras, Marner, Nylander and both teams have not found the top pairing defensemen yet. I guess will see this year and one could put a hole in my argument. Keeping all this in mind, my opinion the key to our Hawks resurgence and prominence again is to develop the likes of Korchinski, Ethan Del Mastro, Allan, etc. EDM is a bit of a wild card, he is a big defensemen than can skate fairly well and more of a shutdown defenseman, but he can move the puck and transition quickly. I submit winning the first pick this year is not an absolute must, sure Fantilli and or perhaps Carlsson would be a good consolation prize. The future of this team hinges on Korchinski and his ability to be a 20-25 minute per game of puck possession and offensive pressure. And if it is not Korchinski we need to find one then and soon. This goes back to the Hawks not taking Byram back in 2019, sure the kid has had issues with concussions, but so have a lot of others, this is a physical and sometimes violent sport. I am still rooting and hoping the lottery balls are kind on May 8th, but let's not get down or go to the nearest highest building and jump off. I've watched enough of Korchinski this season to state he does not have the all-around game to be a true #1 d-man of the kind you cite - YET. That's why I'm in favor of him going back to the WHL next season to work on taking a more physical approach to playing defense. He's probably good enough to get by in the NHL but he's not a true #1 in the mold of some of those guys you list. He needs to fill out his frame and get stronger and I'd rather him do it in the more comfortable setting of the WHL than get thrown into the physical NHL before he's more ready. I think Kaiser, Allan and EDM are more ready for the NHL than Korchinski is at this point in his development. Korchinski has the higher ceiling for sure but he needs (1) more strength and (2) improved shot and goal scoring ability before he reaches his ceiling. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 27, 2023 12:46:08 GMT -6
Niko, I fully agree with the D assessment. Gotta have that Norris Calibre dman. However, you do not want your team to end up like Nashville has for the better part of a quarter century. Or even Carolina. No stars equal no Cups. Bedard was sent a must. But you do need guys like him. I’d at least love to get Fantilli. Carlsson to me is ok, but he’s a year older (like Fantilli) and hasn’t done much with the extra year of hockey he’s played. Bedard is 2005 born, where as Fantilli and Carlsson are 2004. At least Fantilli absolutely dominated the NCAA this year with 2 points a game. That’s unheard of for a freshman.
So getting a top 2 would be best. Out of our control. I get that. But without those “game breakers”, the rebuild will sludge along slower. Getting one of those two helps the rebuild go quicker.
Then with the 2nd first rounder. I’m looking heavily towards Mathew Wood. 6’3” and can score. The power forward type you need. Having Bedard/Fantilli, Reichel, Nazar, Wood, Guttman, plus the many others that are yet to come. The forward group will look much much better with one of those two there.
Another to look for is Axel Sandin-Pellica. He’s a D and will be a good one. If he could somehow be had, I’d love to see that. He’s don’t think we should put all the eggs in the Korchinski basket just yet. He looks to be the real deal. But another one never hurts.
All in all. We need the top players, it may not be the only way, but it’s the best way!!!
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Post by Nikos on Apr 27, 2023 13:11:35 GMT -6
With the lottery approaching soon and draft to follow, here is a question to all my Hawks posters on this board: Do we need Bedard for a successful rebuild? Is he a must to revive the Hawks franchisee? I submit the answer is No. Sure we/I want him, who wouldn't. We all have all seen the highlights, the dominance in the World Juniors, the ridiculous points per game this season. If you look back all Stanley Cup Champions have in common is minute eating, puck possession defensemen Sure, elite scorers are necessary, but I believe top tier defensemen are more important to a complete team and championship success. Defensemen should not be solely measured by their offense, especially point production (sure points are nice and they help), but they should be evaluated on possession time and moving the puck. Let's look at history recently. We Hawk fans know what Keith and Seabrook meant for the 3 cups. How about Tampa, Victor Hedman and now Sergachev, Pittsburg won with Kris Letang and Justin Schultz. What more? St Louis with Pietrangelo and the Caps with John Carlson. Last year it was Cale Maker, The Kings had Drew Doughty, Bruins, Chara. Go back to the Islanders dynasty in the 1980's it was Dennis Potvin, Oilers with Coffey, Montreal in the 70's with Larry Robinson, Red Wings with Lindstrom and on and on and on. New Jersey Devils with Scott Stevens and Ducks with Scott Niedermayer. For all the greatness of the two most recent generational players (McDavid and Matthews), how many cups have they won? McDavid also has another top 5 player in Driasait and Matthews is surrounded with lots of offensive talent, Taveras, Marner, Nylander and both teams have not found the top pairing defensemen yet. I guess will see this year and one could put a hole in my argument. Keeping all this in mind, my opinion the key to our Hawks resurgence and prominence again is to develop the likes of Korchinski, Ethan Del Mastro, Allan, etc. EDM is a bit of a wild card, he is a big defensemen than can skate fairly well and more of a shutdown defenseman, but he can move the puck and transition quickly. I submit winning the first pick this year is not an absolute must, sure Fantilli and or perhaps Carlsson would be a good consolation prize. The future of this team hinges on Korchinski and his ability to be a 20-25 minute per game of puck possession and offensive pressure. And if it is not Korchinski we need to find one then and soon. This goes back to the Hawks not taking Byram back in 2019, sure the kid has had issues with concussions, but so have a lot of others, this is a physical and sometimes violent sport. I am still rooting and hoping the lottery balls are kind on May 8th, but let's not get down or go to the nearest highest building and jump off. I've watched enough of Korchinski this season to state he does not have the all-around game to be a true #1 d-man of the kind you cite - YET. That's why I'm in favor of him going back to the WHL next season to work on taking a more physical approach to playing defense. He's probably good enough to get by in the NHL but he's not a true #1 in the mold of some of those guys you list. He needs to fill out his frame and get stronger and I'd rather him do it in the more comfortable setting of the WHL than get thrown into the physical NHL before he's more ready. I think Kaiser, Allan and EDM are more ready for the NHL than Korchinski is at this point in his development. Korchinski has the higher ceiling for sure but he needs (1) more strength and (2) improved shot and goal scoring ability before he reaches his ceiling. You may very well be right that Korchinski is not that type or might not even develop to that type of role. Btw, I was not saying he was already that type of player, just like you said he has the highest ceiling with attributes to hopefully become that player. If it is not Kocrhinski we need to find one. Is there one in this year's draft? I do not know. Most of the focus/talk/buzz has been on the top offensive players. Hard to trade for one, although the Hawks tried with Seth Jones, and he will be closer to 33-35 before the Hawks are hopefully competing for a playoff spot. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 27, 2023 13:16:28 GMT -6
Niko, I fully agree with the D assessment. Gotta have that Norris Calibre dman. However, you do not want your team to end up like Nashville has for the better part of a quarter century. Or even Carolina. No stars equal no Cups. Bedard was sent a must. But you do need guys like him. I’d at least love to get Fantilli. Carlsson to me is ok, but he’s a year older (like Fantilli) and hasn’t done much with the extra year of hockey he’s played. Bedard is 2005 born, where as Fantilli and Carlsson are 2004. At least Fantilli absolutely dominated the NCAA this year with 2 points a game. That’s unheard of for a freshman. So getting a top 2 would be best. Out of our control. I get that. But without those “game breakers”, the rebuild will sludge along slower. Getting one of those two helps the rebuild go quicker. Then with the 2nd first rounder. I’m looking heavily towards Mathew Wood. 6’3” and can score. The power forward type you need. Having Bedard/Fantilli, Reichel, Nazar, Wood, Guttman, plus the many others that are yet to come. The forward group will look much much better with one of those two there. Another to look for is Axel Sandin-Pellica. He’s a D and will be a good one. If he could somehow be had, I’d love to see that. He’s don’t think we should put all the eggs in the Korchinski basket just yet. He looks to be the real deal. But another one never hurts. All in all. We need the top players, it may not be the only way, but it’s the best way!!! T, I do not disagree with what you are saying about needing top players, my main point is do we absolute need Bedard, yes, he would help immensely, and I would welcome him and pick him up at the airport, but history shows you need the top dmen to win championships. Just ask McDavid and Matthews. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 27, 2023 13:45:47 GMT -6
Another to look for is Axel Sandin-Pellica. He’s a D and will be a good one. If he could somehow be had, I’d love to see that. He’s don’t think we should put all the eggs in the Korchinski basket just yet. He looks to be the real deal. But another one never hurts. All in all. We need the top players, it may not be the only way, but it’s the best way!!! A d-man in this draft I would love to get is David Reinbacher out of Austria. Like Sandin-Pellica, he is an RD and projects to be one of the first d-men selected in the draft. He's bigger then Sandin-Pellica at 6'2" and 190lbs versus 5'10" and 180lbs - and I'd prefer that extra size to be a more prototypical #1 d-man. He plays in the top Swiss league and averages 20 minutes a game. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 27, 2023 14:56:48 GMT -6
OK - I'll admit, being an old retired geezer gives me too much time to sit around and noodle on the Hawks draft ... but bear with me ... The Hawks already have a top-5 pick and the TB pick currently at #20. What if with a little maneuvering the Hawks can get 3 picks in the top-11? Step-1. Trade with cap crunched Vancouver to take the last year of Tyler Myers off their books by trading our second 2nd rounder (#44) for Myers and their 1st rounder (#11). Step-2. Trade with St. Louis where we send them the #20 pick and #35 pick for their #10 pick. Then select one of: Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov, W.Smith And two of: Leonard, Benson, Sale, Dvorsky, Barlow, Moore or Reinbacher. And then there is still (2) 2nds and (2) 3rds remaining. Along the same lines, I am quite sure Buffalo would love to move on from Kyle Okposo ($6 M/one year left). That team should make a big push now, and that contract is a problem for them. The Sabres could use a right shot defenceman for their top four Perhaps Okposo plus their 1st for C. Murphy and one of the 2nds would be of interest to the Sabres. Buffalo picks 13th I believe. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 27, 2023 15:21:29 GMT -6
OK - I'll admit, being an old retired geezer gives me too much time to sit around and noodle on the Hawks draft ... but bear with me ... The Hawks already have a top-5 pick and the TB pick currently at #20. What if with a little maneuvering the Hawks can get 3 picks in the top-11? Step-1. Trade with cap crunched Vancouver to take the last year of Tyler Myers off their books by trading our second 2nd rounder (#44) for Myers and their 1st rounder (#11). Step-2. Trade with St. Louis where we send them the #20 pick and #35 pick for their #10 pick. Then select one of: Bedard, Fantilli, Carlsson, Michkov, W.Smith And two of: Leonard, Benson, Sale, Dvorsky, Barlow, Moore or Reinbacher. And then there is still (2) 2nds and (2) 3rds remaining. Along the same lines, I am quite sure Buffalo would love to move on from Kyle Okposo ($6 M/one year left). That team should make a big push now, and that contract is a problem for them. The Sabres could use a right shot defenceman for their top four Perhaps Okposo plus their 1st for C. Murphy and one of the 2nds would be of interest to the Sabres. Buffalo picks 13th I believe. The Sabres took on Ben Bishop ($4.917M) last year for a seventh-round pick and he is now a UFA so they gain this cap space back. Okposo $6M expired this season and is a UFA, although the Sabres according to their GM Adams hope to sign him to a smaller deal. "You won’t be seeing a seven-year contracts for the 34-year-old, but something with a two-year length would be feasible. I could also see him returning for a dramatically reduced rate, something in the $1-$2 million range say two years. This would allow the Sabres to keep Okposo in a leadership/mentor role, regardless of if he wears the C patch or if it gets passed to a younger player. But at the same time, it will free up cap space for the team to extend players like Rasmus Dahlin and Owen Power, as both will be in the final seasons of their respective contracts in 2023-24". All this is based on a local reporter. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 27, 2023 16:08:10 GMT -6
Another to look for is Axel Sandin-Pellica. He’s a D and will be a good one. If he could somehow be had, I’d love to see that. He’s don’t think we should put all the eggs in the Korchinski basket just yet. He looks to be the real deal. But another one never hurts. All in all. We need the top players, it may not be the only way, but it’s the best way!!! A d-man in this draft I would love to get is David Reinbacher out of Austria. Like Sandin-Pellica, he is an RD and projects to be one of the first d-men selected in the draft. He's bigger then Sandin-Pellica at 6'2" and 190lbs versus 5'10" and 180lbs - and I'd prefer that extra size to be a more prototypical #1 d-man. He plays in the top Swiss league and averages 20 minutes a game. funny, I just saw a mock the other day with Reinbacher as our pick @ 20. stockpiling more d prospects until we are frickin loaded to the gills with good ones seems like a good idea to me. at the same time, it feels like forward is going to be the order of the day in the first round this draft. my hope would be they take whomever they feel is the best player available at every pick of the first 2-3 rounds. |
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Post by mvr on Apr 27, 2023 16:19:06 GMT -6
Along the same lines, I am quite sure Buffalo would love to move on from Kyle Okposo ($6 M/one year left). That team should make a big push now, and that contract is a problem for them. The Sabres could use a right shot defenceman for their top four Perhaps Okposo plus their 1st for C. Murphy and one of the 2nds would be of interest to the Sabres. Buffalo picks 13th I believe. The Sabres took on Ben Bishop ($4.917M) last year for a seventh-round pick and he is now a UFA so they gain this cap space back. Okposo $6M expired this season and is a UFA, although the Sabres according to their GM Adams hope to sign him to a smaller deal. "You won’t be seeing a seven-year contracts for the 34-year-old, but something with a two-year length would be feasible. I could also see him returning for a dramatically reduced rate, something in the $1-$2 million range say two years. This would allow the Sabres to keep Okposo in a leadership/mentor role, regardless of if he wears the C patch or if it gets passed to a younger player. But at the same time, it will free up cap space for the team to extend players like Rasmus Dahlin and Owen Power, as both will be in the final seasons of their respective contracts in 2023-24". All this is based on a local reporter. So I guess that option does not exist..... Adams is doing a good job there. |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 27, 2023 16:39:50 GMT -6
The Sabres took on Ben Bishop ($4.917M) last year for a seventh-round pick and he is now a UFA so they gain this cap space back. Okposo $6M expired this season and is a UFA, although the Sabres according to their GM Adams hope to sign him to a smaller deal. "You won’t be seeing a seven-year contracts for the 34-year-old, but something with a two-year length would be feasible. I could also see him returning for a dramatically reduced rate, something in the $1-$2 million range say two years. This would allow the Sabres to keep Okposo in a leadership/mentor role, regardless of if he wears the C patch or if it gets passed to a younger player. But at the same time, it will free up cap space for the team to extend players like Rasmus Dahlin and Owen Power, as both will be in the final seasons of their respective contracts in 2023-24". All this is based on a local reporter. So I guess that option does not exist..... Adams is doing a good job there. Nothing wrong with the thought, your thinking or approach, just probably different team. I am sure there a few out there. Still think Sabre's need to get top tier netminder in addition to locking up Dahlin & Power so at some point soon they will be near the cap. This team is on the rise with some nice forwards locked up long term and potentially two #1 dmen moving forward. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 28, 2023 11:12:42 GMT -6
I'm not sure "ironic" is the correct word to use but the more I wade into all the commentary on how deep the 2023 draft, specifically the top 20-30 players, the more it seems like tanking was not the differentiator we thought it would be. For Bedard - yes, but for everyone else in the top-20 the degrees of separation look to be smaller than previously believed. In other words - wouldn't it be ironic that the year the Hawks do everything in their power to pick in the top-5 it turns out that the players picked at 2/3/4/5 aren't significantly better than the players picked at 12/13/14/15. If not ironic - then maybe "unfortunate" is a better word to use.
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Post by hsbob on Apr 28, 2023 11:25:15 GMT -6
Along the same lines, I am quite sure Buffalo would love to move on from Kyle Okposo ($6 M/one year left). That team should make a big push now, and that contract is a problem for them. The Sabres could use a right shot defenceman for their top four Perhaps Okposo plus their 1st for C. Murphy and one of the 2nds would be of interest to the Sabres. Buffalo picks 13th I believe. The Sabres took on Ben Bishop ($4.917M) last year for a seventh-round pick and he is now a UFA so they gain this cap space back. Okposo $6M expired this season and is a UFA, although the Sabres according to their GM Adams hope to sign him to a smaller deal. "You won’t be seeing a seven-year contracts for the 34-year-old, but something with a two-year length would be feasible. I could also see him returning for a dramatically reduced rate, something in the $1-$2 million range say two years. This would allow the Sabres to keep Okposo in a leadership/mentor role, regardless of if he wears the C patch or if it gets passed to a younger player. But at the same time, it will free up cap space for the team to extend players like Rasmus Dahlin and Owen Power, as both will be in the final seasons of their respective contracts in 2023-24". All this is based on a local reporter. Cap-space isn't a concern for Buffalo for the foreseeable future. They already have 20 players under contract next year(Thompson,Tuck,Cozens and Skinner all rapped-up) with 19 1/2 million left over with no big re-do's on the callender until the following year when they'll have 9 players under contract with 49 1/2 million to spend to reach the cap......which they very well might never do it appears. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Apr 28, 2023 13:14:42 GMT -6
I'm not sure "ironic" is the correct word to use but the more I wade into all the commentary on how deep the 2023 draft, specifically the top 20-30 players, the more it seems like tanking was not the differentiator we thought it would be. For Bedard - yes, but for everyone else in the top-20 the degrees of separation look to be smaller than previously believed. In other words - wouldn't it be ironic that the year the Hawks do everything in their power to pick in the top-5 it turns out that the players picked at 2/3/4/5 aren't significantly better than the players picked at 12/13/14/15. If not ironic - then maybe "unfortunate" is a better word to use. Other ironic part is that the Hawks traded away everything old and young talent and they are not really in a better draft position then the deadwings or the blows. |
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