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Post by irmaks on Apr 28, 2023 18:33:57 GMT -6
I'm not sure "ironic" is the correct word to use but the more I wade into all the commentary on how deep the 2023 draft, specifically the top 20-30 players, the more it seems like tanking was not the differentiator we thought it would be. For Bedard - yes, but for everyone else in the top-20 the degrees of separation look to be smaller than previously believed. In other words - wouldn't it be ironic that the year the Hawks do everything in their power to pick in the top-5 it turns out that the players picked at 2/3/4/5 aren't significantly better than the players picked at 12/13/14/15. If not ironic - then maybe "unfortunate" is a better word to use. Other ironic part is that the Hawks traded away everything old and young talent and they are not really in a better draft position then the deadwings or the blows. Well if they wouldn't they would be in a worse position. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 30, 2023 10:45:50 GMT -6
TheHockeyWriters mock draft had the Sharks picking #1 and the Hawks falling to #5 and taking Smith. Them and some other mock drafts also have Chicago taking Honzek at #20, big Slovakian winger.
Smith has put up some very impressive numbers and he's a center, if they don't get a top3 pick I'm ok taking him.
But I'm really hoping they get the #2 pick though, and take Fantilli. He won gold with 4 Hawks and plays with Nazar.
Just over a week away and we'll know where they're picking.
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Post by hsbob on Apr 30, 2023 11:11:47 GMT -6
TheHockeyWriters mock draft had the Sharks picking #1 and the Hawks falling to #5 and taking Smith. Them and some other mock drafts also have Chicago taking Honzek at #20, big Slovakian winger. Smith has put up some very impressive numbers and he's a center, if they don't get a top3 pick I'm ok taking him. But I'm really hoping they get the #2 pick though, and take Fantilli. He won gold with 4 Hawks and plays with Nazar. Just over a week away and we'll know where they're picking. The U18's have seen 10/19 +15 in 9gms so far and he's about to face-off against Sweeden for gold......again... www.iihf.com/en/events/2023/wm18/news/44113/gold_medal_grudge_matchShould be a 'barn burner'! |
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Post by 2old4this on Apr 30, 2023 13:29:16 GMT -6
TheHockeyWriters mock draft had the Sharks picking #1 and the Hawks falling to #5 and taking Smith. Them and some other mock drafts also have Chicago taking Honzek at #20, big Slovakian winger. Smith has put up some very impressive numbers and he's a center, if they don't get a top3 pick I'm ok taking him. But I'm really hoping they get the #2 pick though, and take Fantilli. He won gold with 4 Hawks and plays with Nazar. Just over a week away and we'll know where they're picking. Another vote for Smith |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 30, 2023 16:06:29 GMT -6
TheHockeyWriters mock draft had the Sharks picking #1 and the Hawks falling to #5 and taking Smith. Them and some other mock drafts also have Chicago taking Honzek at #20, big Slovakian winger. Smith has put up some very impressive numbers and he's a center, if they don't get a top3 pick I'm ok taking him. But I'm really hoping they get the #2 pick though, and take Fantilli. He won gold with 4 Hawks and plays with Nazar. Just over a week away and we'll know where they're picking. The U18's have seen 10/19 +15 in 9gms so far and he's about to face-off against Sweeden for gold......again... www.iihf.com/en/events/2023/wm18/news/44113/gold_medal_grudge_matchShould be a 'barn burner'! USA won 3-2, Smith assisted on the game tying goal and was named the tournament mvp, 9g-11a in 7gms. Canada won bronze with a 4-3 win, Wood with 1g-3a and Barlow scored, one of them might be a Blackhawk this draft. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 30, 2023 16:57:15 GMT -6
USA won 3-2, Smith assisted on the game tying goal and was named the tournament mvp, 9g-11a in 7gms. Canada won bronze with a 4-3 win, Wood with 1g-3a and Barlow scored, one of them might be a Blackhawk this draft. I don't see Wood lasting until our second 1st rounder, personally. someone is gonna take a flier on him in the top 10-15 just due to his hands/size. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 30, 2023 19:56:18 GMT -6
USA won 3-2, Smith assisted on the game tying goal and was named the tournament mvp, 9g-11a in 7gms. Canada won bronze with a 4-3 win, Wood with 1g-3a and Barlow scored, one of them might be a Blackhawk this draft. I don't see Wood lasting until our second 1st rounder, personally. someone is gonna take a flier on him in the top 10-15 just due to his hands/size. There's some mock drafts with Chicago taking him with the 2nd first rounder, but yeah I doubt he'll be there, maybe KD trades up to take Wood or Barlow. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 30, 2023 19:57:43 GMT -6
With Florida upsetting the Bruins, does that mean the Hawks get the 19th pick?
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Post by BigT on Apr 30, 2023 20:36:42 GMT -6
USA won 3-2, Smith assisted on the game tying goal and was named the tournament mvp, 9g-11a in 7gms. Canada won bronze with a 4-3 win, Wood with 1g-3a and Barlow scored, one of them might be a Blackhawk this draft. This could also push Smith past Carlsson. I for one am not sold on Carlsson. At this point. I’d take Willy over Carlsson. Can’t draft for just size. It’s a fools game. Just like with Dach. Anyone know what Smiths plans are for next season? NCAA I’m guessing!!! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 30, 2023 21:49:17 GMT -6
USA won 3-2, Smith assisted on the game tying goal and was named the tournament mvp, 9g-11a in 7gms. Canada won bronze with a 4-3 win, Wood with 1g-3a and Barlow scored, one of them might be a Blackhawk this draft. This could also push Smith past Carlsson. I for one am not sold on Carlsson. At this point. I’d take Willy over Carlsson. Can’t draft for just size. It’s a fools game. Just like with Dach. Anyone know what Smiths plans are for next season? NCAA I’m guessing!!! That whole line - Perreault-Smith-Leonard is going to Boston College. I think there is another guy from that team going to BC too but don't recall who. Should be fun to tune into a couple BC games next season - especially if one of them is a Hawks prospect. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 30, 2023 21:51:01 GMT -6
With Florida upsetting the Bruins, does that mean the Hawks get the 19th pick? I'm wondering the same thing. Hopefully someone knows and answers your question. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 30, 2023 22:29:11 GMT -6
With Florida upsetting the Bruins, does that mean the Hawks get the 19th pick? I thought yes, but bigbarn is making me question it. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 1, 2023 0:02:40 GMT -6
With Florida upsetting the Bruins, does that mean the Hawks get the 19th pick? I thought yes, but bigbarn is making me question it. DETERMINING THE NHL DRAFT ORDER 1 All teams missing the playoffs are in the Lottery 2 Teams with the least points get more chances at winning the Lottery 3 The 1st overall pick is awarded by a drawing of ping pong balls. A team can only jump ten spots, so only the top 11 teams are eligible for the 1st pick. If a team in the 12-16 range wins the first drawing, the first pick will be awarded to the worst team. The 12-16 seed team that won the first drawing is also locked into their new position. 4 A second drawing is held to determine the other lottery winner. Like the first drawing, the second winner can only jump ten spots, but this time it is using the re-seeded order following the first drawing. This second drawing will not affect the team(s) with locked-in positions from the first drawing. If a ten spot jump is to a pick that is already locked-in, this team will receive the next available pick. 5 Teams are only allowed to improve their positioning via the Lottery twice in a five year period (beginning with the 2022 Lottery). 6 Ties are broken by teams' total number of regulation wins (RW), regulation and non-shootout overtime wins (ROW), and then head-to-head if still tied 7 Playoff teams that did not win their divisions and did not make the conference finals, sorted by points, are assigned the next picks 8 Playoff teams that won their divisions and did not make the conference finals, sorted by points, are assigned the next picks 9 Conference finals losers sorted by points are assigned picks 29 and 30 10 Stanley Cup runner-up is assigned pick 31 11 Stanley Cup champion is assigned pick 32 12 Note: This site uses points-per-game instead of points to account for different number of games played between teams |
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 1, 2023 0:06:06 GMT -6
USA won 3-2, Smith assisted on the game tying goal and was named the tournament mvp, 9g-11a in 7gms. Canada won bronze with a 4-3 win, Wood with 1g-3a and Barlow scored, one of them might be a Blackhawk this draft. This could also push Smith past Carlsson. I for one am not sold on Carlsson. At this point. I’d take Willy over Carlsson. Can’t draft for just size. It’s a fools game. Just like with Dach. Anyone know what Smiths plans are for next season? NCAA I’m guessing!!! yes Boston college |
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Post by vadarx on May 1, 2023 0:27:16 GMT -6
I thought yes, but bigbarn is making me question it. DETERMINING THE NHL DRAFT ORDER 1 All teams missing the playoffs are in the Lottery 2 Teams with the least points get more chances at winning the Lottery 3 The 1st overall pick is awarded by a drawing of ping pong balls. A team can only jump ten spots, so only the top 11 teams are eligible for the 1st pick. If a team in the 12-16 range wins the first drawing, the first pick will be awarded to the worst team. The 12-16 seed team that won the first drawing is also locked into their new position. 4 A second drawing is held to determine the other lottery winner. Like the first drawing, the second winner can only jump ten spots, but this time it is using the re-seeded order following the first drawing. This second drawing will not affect the team(s) with locked-in positions from the first drawing. If a ten spot jump is to a pick that is already locked-in, this team will receive the next available pick. 5 Teams are only allowed to improve their positioning via the Lottery twice in a five year period (beginning with the 2022 Lottery). 6 Ties are broken by teams' total number of regulation wins (RW), regulation and non-shootout overtime wins (ROW), and then head-to-head if still tied 7 Playoff teams that did not win their divisions and did not make the conference finals, sorted by points, are assigned the next picks 8 Playoff teams that won their divisions and did not make the conference finals, sorted by points, are assigned the next picks 9 Conference finals losers sorted by points are assigned picks 29 and 30 10 Stanley Cup runner-up is assigned pick 31 11 Stanley Cup champion is assigned pick 32 12 Note: This site uses points-per-game instead of points to account for different number of games played between teams I thank ya, sir! |
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Post by hsbob on May 1, 2023 10:36:08 GMT -6
USA won 3-2, Smith assisted on the game tying goal and was named the tournament mvp, 9g-11a in 7gms. Canada won bronze with a 4-3 win, Wood with 1g-3a and Barlow scored, one of them might be a Blackhawk this draft. Sweeden's defensive system and their bigger D-man(per usual)had their way through two periods but the Yanks stuck to the gameplan and found their way in the 3rd. Very enjoyable game to watch.......very much a 'chess match'. |
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Post by mikeveisor on May 1, 2023 13:04:00 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on May 1, 2023 14:15:02 GMT -6
nah, they (and I) jumped the gun on moving us up a spot. we need another Florida win to move up. |
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Post by Nikos on May 1, 2023 16:12:18 GMT -6
History tells us that at least one of the teams below the Hawks will likely win either the first or second lottery drawing or move up 10 spots. Only the top 11 or in this case the bottom 11 can win the number 1 slot, meaning the 11th team can move 10 spots to #1. It seems every year you hear the announcer say well that means X team moved up. Unless of course it is teams that finished 14-16 they can only move up 10 spots to 4th, 5th and 6th respectively. So, unless Hawks win one of the two drawings odds are they will likely draft either 4th or 5th and most likely not 3rd if I was a betting person.
I could be wrong with the numbers/process, but my main point is odds of Hawks picking third are not great unless Columbus and Ducks win the two lottery drawings.
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Post by vadarx on May 1, 2023 16:51:23 GMT -6
History tells us that at least one of the teams below the Hawks will likely win either the first or second lottery drawing or move up 10 spots. Only the top 11 or in this case the bottom 11 can win the number 1 slot, meaning the 11th team can move 10 spots to #1. It seems every year you hear the announcer say well that means X team moved up. Unless of course it is teams that finished 14-16 they can only move up 10 spots to 4th, 5th and 6th respectively. So, unless Hawks win one of the two drawings odds are they will likely draft either 4th or 5th and most likely not 3rd if I was a betting person. I could be wrong with the numbers/process, but my main point is odds of Hawks picking third are not great unless Columbus and Ducks win the two lottery drawings. yeah, pretty low odds for third OA. fingers crossed we get #1, but I'll take 2nd or 4th as well. liking Smith more and more. I feel like he is the pick if we get any of 3-5. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on May 1, 2023 17:21:29 GMT -6
History tells us that at least one of the teams below the Hawks will likely win either the first or second lottery drawing or move up 10 spots. Only the top 11 or in this case the bottom 11 can win the number 1 slot, meaning the 11th team can move 10 spots to #1. It seems every year you hear the announcer say well that means X team moved up. Unless of course it is teams that finished 14-16 they can only move up 10 spots to 4th, 5th and 6th respectively. So, unless Hawks win one of the two drawings odds are they will likely draft either 4th or 5th and most likely not 3rd if I was a betting person. I could be wrong with the numbers/process, but my main point is odds of Hawks picking third are not great unless Columbus and Ducks win the two lottery drawings.OR, if I understand the lottery rules correctly - teams in the 14/15/16 spots get their ping pong ball pulled and since they can only move up 10 spots they wouldn't affect the top-3. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 1, 2023 21:02:52 GMT -6
History tells us that at least one of the teams below the Hawks will likely win either the first or second lottery drawing or move up 10 spots. Only the top 11 or in this case the bottom 11 can win the number 1 slot, meaning the 11th team can move 10 spots to #1. It seems every year you hear the announcer say well that means X team moved up. Unless of course it is teams that finished 14-16 they can only move up 10 spots to 4th, 5th and 6th respectively. So, unless Hawks win one of the two drawings odds are they will likely draft either 4th or 5th and most likely not 3rd if I was a betting person. I could be wrong with the numbers/process, but my main point is odds of Hawks picking third are not great unless Columbus and Ducks win the two lottery drawings.OR, if I understand the lottery rules correctly - teams in the 14/15/16 spots get their ping pong ball pulled and since they can only move up 10 spots they wouldn't affect the top-3. yup 1 more week cant wait to at least know where we are drafting, me and all my superstitions, and belief in hockey Gods I know what are punishment should be for this deliberate tank. Then we wait another 2 months for draft. Then watch one of the NHLs worse teams. Then repeat, repeat , repeat. I would love to say wake me in 3 more years but I wanna watch this just like any other bad car accident. |
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Post by vadarx on May 1, 2023 21:13:07 GMT -6
OR, if I understand the lottery rules correctly - teams in the 14/15/16 spots get their ping pong ball pulled and since they can only move up 10 spots they wouldn't affect the top-3. yup 1 more week cant wait to at least know where we are drafting, me and all my superstitions, and belief in hockey Gods I know what are punishment should be for this deliberate tank. Then we wait another 2 months for draft. Then watch one of the NHLs worse teams. Then repeat, repeat , repeat. I would love to say wake me in 3 more years but I wanna watch this just like any other bad car accident. same. all in for it. watching the team go from the 00s to The Run was good times. hopefully we can get at least close to that stratosphere after this rebuild... |
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Post by mikeveisor on May 1, 2023 21:41:53 GMT -6
yup 1 more week cant wait to at least know where we are drafting, me and all my superstitions, and belief in hockey Gods I know what are punishment should be for this deliberate tank. Then we wait another 2 months for draft. Then watch one of the NHLs worse teams. Then repeat, repeat , repeat. I would love to say wake me in 3 more years but I wanna watch this just like any other bad car accident. same. all in for it. watching the team go from the 00s to The Run was good times. hopefully we can get at least close to that stratosphere after this rebuild... Right on, Vadarx. After JR, Eddie O, and Chelly got me to buy season tix for the last season in the old place, those early 00s were real rough and the team lost me until I stopped at a little place called Puffers in Bridgeport the night that Big Buff scored a hattrick - they grabbed me all over again and that run up, though painful to lose to the ERM (evil red menace on a VERY old Blackhawks board, aka RedWings), to the Cups... No rebuild is guaranteed a success but watching a new generation go after it with a bunch of guys we knew as well as we knew Toews and Kane in 2006-2007 (i.e., no idea that we had 2 HOFs in the making), the team oddly has my daily attention again. First since we got Saad for Panarin, and Murphy for Hjalmarsson on the same summer day almost 6 years ago. Count down to the ping pong balls. |
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Post by Nikos on May 3, 2023 13:52:26 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on May 6, 2023 18:49:47 GMT -6
Where is the lowest pick the Hawks could get?
I will be expecting them to finish there, and anything higher, the better.
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Post by vadarx on May 6, 2023 19:32:13 GMT -6
Where is the lowest pick the Hawks could get? I will be expecting them to finish there, and anything higher, the better. 5th. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 6, 2023 21:08:51 GMT -6
Where is the lowest pick the Hawks could get? I will be expecting them to finish there, and anything higher, the better. yeah....looks like 5th is as low as we can go. don't know how accurate this is. seems we have the biggest chance to be picking 4th. also seems we have a better chance to pick first than we do picking second or picking third. www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds |
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 7, 2023 7:30:16 GMT -6
Where is the lowest pick the Hawks could get? I will be expecting them to finish there, and anything higher, the better. yeah....looks like 5th is as low as we can go. don't know how accurate this is. seems we have the biggest chance to be picking 4th. also seems we have a better chance to pick first than we do picking second or picking third. www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_oddsBetter chance of picking first those are the vibes for the next 36 hours!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 7, 2023 7:40:45 GMT -6
yeah....looks like 5th is as low as we can go. don't know how accurate this is. seems we have the biggest chance to be picking 4th. also seems we have a better chance to pick first than we do picking second or picking third. www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_oddsBetter chance of picking first those are the vibes for the next 36 hours!! Works for me. |
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