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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 30, 2022 16:52:53 GMT -6
Hawks have 5 player this year, next World Juniors they could have more. If Korchinski isn't in the NHL he'll be back, even if he is the Hawks might let him go, Rinzel and Nazar should be on the US team, Savoie should get a look for Canada and with the many picks they'll have at the draft I'm sure there'll be more. IF they get Bedard I'd let him play, if they get Fantilli or Carlsson they'll be at the World Juniors. And whoever else they get in the 1st, hopefully they can get Dragicevic, they'll probably get an invite. This season is long but it'll be worth it at the draft and beyond. Imagine having 3-4 firsts this year? I know many don’t think teams will give up a first. But this is the year it looks more wide open to win the Cup than ever. Colorado is injury prone and looks like they might even miss the playoffs. Dallas and NJ look to be the better teams as of now. So without a dragon to slay, more teams will feel they’ve got a better shot. So LA may be willing to give up some assets for a solid player. NJ, Dallas, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Boston, LA, Pitt, Toronta, TB, Colorado, Carolina, Edmonton probably all feel that they have a legitimate shot at winning it all. So I think it’s more wide open than ever. So look for 1sts to be tossed around!!! They already have 2 so I can imagine it. Last draft was the first time Chicago had 3 first round picks, hopefully they can get 4 this one. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 31, 2022 18:22:50 GMT -6
I agree with most also T. I do believe that more then the bottom 4 are in the running for 1st not sure where you got 4th is where it ends. I would like Kor to go back to JRs Clarke being on this team has not helped his ice time. As far as EDM , OTH has been banging the drum for him for a couple of years. I love the way this guy plays hockey solid all over the ice. Im not as down on Zell but who cares he is Duck property . Thanks for remembering, ever since the prospect tournament vs Minnesota after he was drafted I've been pumping his tires lol his size and the way he played in his own end reminded me of a young Seabs. 3 huge hits in one shift and put all 3 on their asses. He improved his offense last season and now he's the Steelheads captain and playing on the top2 at the World Juniors, months after he was a late addition last summer and worked his way to the top4. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 31, 2022 19:34:53 GMT -6
not looking good at all for dach.
announcers speculating shoulder, they could hear him scream. straight off the ice.
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Post by steamer on Dec 31, 2022 19:48:54 GMT -6
not looking good at all for dach. announcers speculating shoulder, they could hear him scream. straight off the ice. Yikes - not good. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 31, 2022 19:51:25 GMT -6
not looking good at all for dach. announcers speculating shoulder, they could hear him scream. straight off the ice. Yikes - not good. hell...it looked almost as harmless as kirby's injury. hopefully his shoulder's just dislocated but i have my doubts. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 31, 2022 19:55:39 GMT -6
on the bright side, korchinski has a goal for canada, del mastro and allan had assists on earlier goals.
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 31, 2022 20:08:49 GMT -6
another bit of good news, victor stjernborg was sweden's player of the game.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 31, 2022 20:18:54 GMT -6
on the bright side, korchinski has a goal for canada, del mastro and allan had assists on earlier goals. Allan assisted on Korchinskis goal. Sweet two Blackhawks prospects got Bedard his 31st point to tie Lindros. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 31, 2022 20:25:56 GMT -6
not looking good at all for dach. announcers speculating shoulder, they could hear him scream. straight off the ice. Tough hearing him yell like that, doesn't look good, the Dachs seem fragile. He was playing tough hockey though and getting points. Bob Makenzie said if they need to they can call up a player, Greene 🤔 |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 31, 2022 20:26:18 GMT -6
on the bright side, korchinski has a goal for canada, del mastro and allan had assists on earlier goals. Allan assisted on Korchinskis goal. Sweet two Blackhawks prospects got Bedard his 31st point to tie Lindros. oops...correct you are. i'm not holding my breath on bedard but it would be nice to see those 3 combine for a goal on a blackhawk's box score one fine day. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 31, 2022 20:28:08 GMT -6
not looking good at all for dach. announcers speculating shoulder, they could hear him scream. straight off the ice. Bob Makenzie said if they need to they can call up a player, Greene 🤔 that'd be what you call a silver lining. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 31, 2022 20:33:02 GMT -6
Allan assisted on Korchinskis goal. Sweet two Blackhawks prospects got Bedard his 31st point to tie Lindros. oops...correct you are. i'm not holding my breath on bedard but it would be nice to see those 3 combine for a goal on a blackhawk's box score one fine day. It'd be amazing to see him in Chicago but I've been watching Fantilli and Carlsson and they'd look good in red, white, and black. But yes those three, or Del Mastros getting the 2nd assists, would look great in Chicago. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 31, 2022 20:56:32 GMT -6
not looking good at all for dach. announcers speculating shoulder, they could hear him scream. straight off the ice. Bob Makenzie said if they need to they can call up a player, Greene 🤔 lots of chatter saying ryan kidney could be the guy, he's a center and he's a nova scotia lad. greene was the last cut though wasn't he? edit: greene's a newfie and a center as well so that might help, as long as he can make it from boston on time. or maybe he's home for the holidays? |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 31, 2022 21:42:28 GMT -6
Bob Makenzie said if they need to they can call up a player, Greene 🤔 lots of chatter saying ryan kidney could be the guy, he's a center and he's a nova scotia lad. greene was the last cut though wasn't he? edit: greene's a newfie and a center as well so that might help, as long as he can make it from boston on time. or maybe he's home for the holidays? They played on the 30th and next game is the 6th, so I'm sure his bags are already packed. And yes he was the last cut and and center. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 1, 2023 1:21:08 GMT -6
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Post by tincup on Jan 1, 2023 14:58:01 GMT -6
Not bad… Dach would get an “incomplete” I guess.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 1, 2023 15:39:38 GMT -6
Not bad… Dach would get an “incomplete” I guess. Strange cause Dach had a couple points. And that's pretty good considering 2 of the Hawks dmen are defensive and so is Stjernborg. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 1, 2023 16:39:41 GMT -6
Not bad… Dach would get an “incomplete” I guess. we can add beck (dach's replacement) to montreal's stable. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 1, 2023 19:07:06 GMT -6
Yeah I said you can't see the big picture Jack and you keep proving me right with your pessimism. I'm not basing my optimism on last year's draft, and this upcoming one, but if you go back to 2019 the Hawks have drafted some solid players. Vlasic, Phillips, Del Mastro, Allan, Reichel, C. Dach, Harding, 5 of them were drafted in the 3rd or higher. Phillips and Del Mastro were drafted after the 3rd but they've made big strides in their progress. Last draft they had 3 1st round picks, all 3 have a lot of potential, plus guys like Ludwinski, Greene, and Savoie could be the depth players every team needs to do the dirty work and be able to chip in on offense. This draft they have the chance at a top 3 pick, plus Tampas first and possibly 1 or 2 more. As far as vets go, they can be added via trades or free agency. Not to mention the picks and prospects they'll add when trading most of the roster now. This team's in better shape then you realize. Well, I hope you are right, but I remain unconvinced that when these young phenoms of whom I write are playing in the NHL in 3-4 years, they will take the league by storm and rise to the top, regardless of who they get by trade or free agency. For example, Reichel ain't ripping up the AHL, so why should I think he will be dominating the NHL. We can agree to disagree. |
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Post by Nikos on Jan 1, 2023 20:12:42 GMT -6
Yeah I said you can't see the big picture Jack and you keep proving me right with your pessimism. I'm not basing my optimism on last year's draft, and this upcoming one, but if you go back to 2019 the Hawks have drafted some solid players. Vlasic, Phillips, Del Mastro, Allan, Reichel, C. Dach, Harding, 5 of them were drafted in the 3rd or higher. Phillips and Del Mastro were drafted after the 3rd but they've made big strides in their progress. Last draft they had 3 1st round picks, all 3 have a lot of potential, plus guys like Ludwinski, Greene, and Savoie could be the depth players every team needs to do the dirty work and be able to chip in on offense. This draft they have the chance at a top 3 pick, plus Tampas first and possibly 1 or 2 more. As far as vets go, they can be added via trades or free agency. Not to mention the picks and prospects they'll add when trading most of the roster now. This team's in better shape then you realize. Well, I hope you are right, but I remain unconvinced that when these young phenoms of whom write are playing in the NHL in 3-4 years, they will take the league by storm and rise to the top, regardless of who they get by trade or free agency. For example, Reichel ain't ripping up the AHL, so why should I think he will be dominating the NHL. We can agree to disagree. Reichel averaging a point a game in his second AHL season similar scoring in his first season as well. Not sure what definition of ripping is but point a game is pretty good. Edit: I do not believe anyone here is saying that Reichel will be a dominating player or special by any means, let's give the kid the benefit of the doubt and a couple of seasons playing in the NHL to see what type of players he turns out to be. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jan 1, 2023 22:49:23 GMT -6
not looking good at all for dach. announcers speculating shoulder, they could hear him scream. straight off the ice. Tough hearing him yell like that, doesn't look good, the Dachs seem fragile. He was playing tough hockey though and getting points. Bob Makenzie said if they need to they can call up a player, Greene 🤔 Who knows hits happen in weird ways. i heard all about how fragile Kane is also he seemed to get pass that. Poor kid did seem to be in a shit ton of pain. |
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Post by steamer on Jan 2, 2023 13:08:35 GMT -6
Any update on the specifics of the injury?
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Post by BigT on Jan 2, 2023 13:29:49 GMT -6
Victor Stjernborg with the GWG for Sweden today over Finland. Short handed to boot with roughly a minute to play. That’s good to see!!!
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Post by BigT on Jan 3, 2023 0:31:58 GMT -6
Bedard with one hell of a finish to the game. I know I know all we hear is this kids name. He’s not Hawks property and may never be. But the possibilities with a player of that caliber is unimaginable. Any team who gets this kid will be able to rebuild quickly. This is why I want to make sure the Hawks have dmen coming down the pipeline and a plenty! There are, we see them on display for Canada. So let’s hope it works out for the dmen and the lotto balls.
Speaking of Dmen. I don’t see the lure of Olen Zellweger. I’m sure he’s a good kid. But he seems like every play is a gawd damn gamble. For the most part our very own EDM is helping hold down the fort. And if it wasn’t for EDM, Canada would more than likely be on the losing end of this. Brandt Clarke had one of those games that made you rethink if he even knew what hand he shot. I know they’re kids, but in the biggest games, gotta have guys step up.
Slovakia gave it all they had. What a game they played. Unfortunately we’ll probably see less and less of KK. He came in on a limited role. He accepted it. His time will come. Unfortunately he sits for Zellweger. Not a fan of him on the pp. he’s been a liability from what I’ve seen. On to the next one, probably against the USA!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 3, 2023 0:49:45 GMT -6
Victor Stjernborg with the GWG for Sweden today over Finland. Short handed to boot with roughly a minute to play. That’s good to see!!! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 3, 2023 12:30:16 GMT -6
Well, I hope you are right, but I remain unconvinced that when these young phenoms of whom write are playing in the NHL in 3-4 years, they will take the league by storm and rise to the top, regardless of who they get by trade or free agency. For example, Reichel ain't ripping up the AHL, so why should I think he will be dominating the NHL. We can agree to disagree. Reichel averaging a point a game in his second AHL season similar scoring in his first season as well. Not sure what definition of ripping is but point a game is pretty good. Edit: I do not believe anyone here is saying that Reichel will be a dominating player or special by any means, let's give the kid the benefit of the doubt and a couple of seasons playing in the NHL to see what type of players he turns out to be. I am not saying that Reichel will not be a good NHL player. But, the Hawks' current lineup is so devoid of good offensive players that the team will need more than a few "good" NHL players. They will need 3-5 stars, or close to it, to overcome the offensive deficit that currently characterizes this team at this time. They will need at least one, or two, McDavids, and a few MacKinnons, or someone similar. Then, there are the defensive needs and finally, they will need a great goalie. As I have said, to the point of pissing off the hopeful here, I just believe they have too many deficits and too many needs to expect to satisfy them all in just a couple of good draft years. In the end, it is just an opinion like anyone else's. Those of you with more hopeful visions may turn out to be fulfilled, but I just can't see it, Bedard, or not. To expect them, in 3-4 years, to go from a team that has nothing to one that will be Cup competitive is just too much for me to envision. After all, it took the Avs 10 years to do it and the Oilers, after 30 years, are still trying with absolutely no chance of imminent success. |
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Post by steamer on Jan 3, 2023 14:04:40 GMT -6
Reichel averaging a point a game in his second AHL season similar scoring in his first season as well. Not sure what definition of ripping is but point a game is pretty good. Edit: I do not believe anyone here is saying that Reichel will be a dominating player or special by any means, let's give the kid the benefit of the doubt and a couple of seasons playing in the NHL to see what type of players he turns out to be. I am not saying that Reichel will not be a good NHL player. But, the Hawks' current lineup is so devoid of good offensive players that the team will need more than a few "good" NHL players. They will need 3-5 stars, or close to it, to overcome the offensive deficit that currently characterizes this team at this time. They will need at least one, or two, McDavids, and a few MacKinnons, or someone similar. Then, there are the defensive needs and finally, they will need a great goalie. As I have said, to the point of pissing off the hopeful here, I just believe they have too many deficits and too many needs to expect to satisfy them all in just a couple of good draft years. In the end, it is just an opinion like anyone else's. Those of you with more hopeful visions may turn out to be fulfilled, but I just can't see it, Bedard, or not. To expect them, in 3-4 years, to go from a team that has nothing to one that will be Cup competitive is just too much for me to envision. After all, it took the Avs 10 years to do it and the Oilers, after 30 years, are still trying with absolutely no chance of imminent success. I agree they will not be “Cup competitive” in 3-4 years. I think they can be a playoff team in 3-4 years but IMHO it will take longer to challenge for the Cup. The things I have mentioned before all have to fall into place - including some luck - to restore success to the franchise. |
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Post by Nikos on Jan 3, 2023 16:17:32 GMT -6
Reichel averaging a point a game in his second AHL season similar scoring in his first season as well. Not sure what definition of ripping is but point a game is pretty good. Edit: I do not believe anyone here is saying that Reichel will be a dominating player or special by any means, let's give the kid the benefit of the doubt and a couple of seasons playing in the NHL to see what type of players he turns out to be. I am not saying that Reichel will not be a good NHL player. But, the Hawks' current lineup is so devoid of good offensive players that the team will need more than a few "good" NHL players. They will need 3-5 stars, or close to it, to overcome the offensive deficit that currently characterizes this team at this time. They will need at least one, or two, McDavids, and a few MacKinnons, or someone similar. Then, there are the defensive needs and finally, they will need a great goalie. As I have said, to the point of pissing off the hopeful here, I just believe they have too many deficits and too many needs to expect to satisfy them all in just a couple of good draft years. In the end, it is just an opinion like anyone else's. Those of you with more hopeful visions may turn out to be fulfilled, but I just can't see it, Bedard, or not. To expect them, in 3-4 years, to go from a team that has nothing to one that will be Cup competitive is just too much for me to envision. After all, it took the Avs 10 years to do it and the Oilers, after 30 years, are still trying with absolutely no chance of imminent success. Rebuild is a process, it took the Avs 8-10 years to hoist Lord Stanley to your point, and that was drafting Mackinnon (overall #1), Landeskog (overall #2) and a gift of a generational player in Maker (#4 overall). We all understand almost everyone maybe with the exception of Seth Jones (mainly due to his contract) will not be here when the rebuild officially begins at the NHL level. We know they will need other pieces which you correctly point out, but you have to start somewhere. If they are lucky and get Bedard the rebuild will just start a little sooner as many have said already and yes I know they will need good players to play with him, but I will take my chances with Bedard and then start filling in the rest. That is a good problem to have and if you ask the GMs of the Ducks, Blue Jackets, Coyotes or any other team that finishes towards the bottom of the league they all will say the same thing. Before Rocky took over from Dollar Bill, the Hawks I believe were rated the worst sports franchisee for all 4 major sports teams and in a few years after that survey was published, they turned it around. Did it happen immediately, no. Did they get a lucky with Kaner jumping to first overall to draft him in 2007, absolutely. Was Tallon smiling/praying when Blues took the Dmen Johnson and Pens took Jordan Staal rather Towes, hell yeah. Did they have some decent prospects in the wings, yes. Hopefully with the last year's draft and a couple more in the future and with 4 #1 picks next two years (hopefully get a few more) we will be in similar situation. Then guess what happened, FA agents like Hossa, Campbell, wanted to come to Chicago. There were reports that Hossa could have signed with Tampa (similar contract) but choose the Hawks for several reasons, including the young players in 19 & 88, original six franchise with passionate fans, big sports town, he also witnessed the talent, the hunger in playing them in the WCF in 2009 and the direction of the team and arrow going up. The rebuild is a puzzle and hopefully KD makes the right decisions with player evaluations, shrewd trades, drafting and development. I personally I am not "pissed off" to your point it is your opinion, just have to think it is process and many other things and circumstances will still need to happen/occur. My point with Reichel let the kid develop and play a few years before we say he is not dominating. The kid 2 years ago was playing in Europe in a bigger ice surface at 17-18 years old. Go HAWKS! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Jan 3, 2023 16:47:54 GMT -6
I am not saying that Reichel will not be a good NHL player. But, the Hawks' current lineup is so devoid of good offensive players that the team will need more than a few "good" NHL players. They will need 3-5 stars, or close to it, to overcome the offensive deficit that currently characterizes this team at this time. They will need at least one, or two, McDavids, and a few MacKinnons, or someone similar. Then, there are the defensive needs and finally, they will need a great goalie. As I have said, to the point of pissing off the hopeful here, I just believe they have too many deficits and too many needs to expect to satisfy them all in just a couple of good draft years. In the end, it is just an opinion like anyone else's. Those of you with more hopeful visions may turn out to be fulfilled, but I just can't see it, Bedard, or not. To expect them, in 3-4 years, to go from a team that has nothing to one that will be Cup competitive is just too much for me to envision. After all, it took the Avs 10 years to do it and the Oilers, after 30 years, are still trying with absolutely no chance of imminent success. Rebuild is a process, it took the Avs 8-10 years to hoist Lord Stanley to your point, and that was drafting Mackinnon (overall #1), Landeskog (overall #2) and a gift of a generational player in Maker (#4 overall). We all understand almost everyone maybe with the exception of Seth Jones (mainly due to his contract) will not be here when the rebuild officially begins at the NHL level. We know they will need other pieces which you correctly point out, but you have to start somewhere. If they are lucky and get Bedard the rebuild will just start a little sooner as many have said already and yes I know they will need good players to play with him, but I will take my chances with Bedard and then start filling in the rest. That is a good problem to have and if you ask the GMs of the Ducks, Blue Jackets, Coyotes or any other team that finishes towards the bottom of the league they all will say the same thing. Before Rocky took over from Dollar Bill, the Hawks I believe were rated the worst sports franchisee for all 4 major sports teams and in a few years after that survey was published, they turned it around. Did it happen immediately, no. Did they get a lucky with Kaner jumping to first overall to draft him in 2007, absolutely. Was Tallon smiling/praying when Blues took the Dmen Johnson and Pens took Jordan Staal rather Towes, hell yeah. Did they have some decent prospects in the wings, yes. Hopefully with the last year's draft and a couple more in the future and with 4 #1 picks next two years (hopefully get a few more) we will be in similar situation. Then guess what happened, FA agents like Hossa, Campbell, wanted to come to Chicago. There were reports that Hossa could have signed with Tampa (similar contract) but choose the Hawks for several reasons, including the young players in 19 & 88, original six franchise with passionate fans, big sports town, he also witnessed the talent, the hunger in playing them in the WCF in 2009 and the direction of the team and arrow going up. The rebuild is a puzzle and hopefully KD makes the right decisions with player evaluations, shrewd trades, drafting and development. I personally I am not "pissed off" to your point it is your opinion, just have to think it is process and many other things and circumstances will still need to happen/occur. My point with Reichel let the kid develop and play a few years before we say he is not dominating. The kid 2 years ago was playing in Europe in a bigger ice surface at 17-18 years old. Go HAWKS! Yours is a good description of what might happen; and, as you have admitted, it takes a few lucky breaks to have it all come together. But, as I have mentioned, it took the Avs 10 years to go from the bottom to the top and 30 years after winning their last Cup, the Oilers are still far away from winning another. So, who knows what will happen. But, keep up the optimism. |
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Post by Nikos on Jan 3, 2023 17:35:25 GMT -6
Rebuild is a process, it took the Avs 8-10 years to hoist Lord Stanley to your point, and that was drafting Mackinnon (overall #1), Landeskog (overall #2) and a gift of a generational player in Maker (#4 overall). We all understand almost everyone maybe with the exception of Seth Jones (mainly due to his contract) will not be here when the rebuild officially begins at the NHL level. We know they will need other pieces which you correctly point out, but you have to start somewhere. If they are lucky and get Bedard the rebuild will just start a little sooner as many have said already and yes I know they will need good players to play with him, but I will take my chances with Bedard and then start filling in the rest. That is a good problem to have and if you ask the GMs of the Ducks, Blue Jackets, Coyotes or any other team that finishes towards the bottom of the league they all will say the same thing. Before Rocky took over from Dollar Bill, the Hawks I believe were rated the worst sports franchisee for all 4 major sports teams and in a few years after that survey was published, they turned it around. Did it happen immediately, no. Did they get a lucky with Kaner jumping to first overall to draft him in 2007, absolutely. Was Tallon smiling/praying when Blues took the Dmen Johnson and Pens took Jordan Staal rather Towes, hell yeah. Did they have some decent prospects in the wings, yes. Hopefully with the last year's draft and a couple more in the future and with 4 #1 picks next two years (hopefully get a few more) we will be in similar situation. Then guess what happened, FA agents like Hossa, Campbell, wanted to come to Chicago. There were reports that Hossa could have signed with Tampa (similar contract) but choose the Hawks for several reasons, including the young players in 19 & 88, original six franchise with passionate fans, big sports town, he also witnessed the talent, the hunger in playing them in the WCF in 2009 and the direction of the team and arrow going up. The rebuild is a puzzle and hopefully KD makes the right decisions with player evaluations, shrewd trades, drafting and development. I personally I am not "pissed off" to your point it is your opinion, just have to think it is process and many other things and circumstances will still need to happen/occur. My point with Reichel let the kid develop and play a few years before we say he is not dominating. The kid 2 years ago was playing in Europe in a bigger ice surface at 17-18 years old. Go HAWKS! Yours is a good description of what might happen; and, as you have admitted, it takes a few lucky breaks to have it all come together. But, as I have mentioned, it took the Avs 10 years to go from the bottom to the top and 30 years after winning their last Cup, the Oilers are still far away from winning another. So, who knows what will happen. But, keep up the optimism. Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. I choose to being optimistic and hopeful, much better than worrying about negative thoughts. |
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