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Post by hsbob on May 28, 2023 10:04:21 GMT -6
The game is trending away from that. I’m sure a big Dman like EDM or someone else will settle their hash. Worst case is that Luke grabs the prick on his way by and does it himself!!! Thankfully, the JC “let’s let bygones be bygones” approach seems to no longer be the company line. I just recall the Jim Vandermeers of the world imparting lessons for the Jim Wisniewskis (and Big Buff, too, maybe?) that kept K & T protected, but for the Willie Mitchell hit on Toews. Shoot, Seabs was in that mix, too. Can we just skip to draft day please with training camp the following day…? Ladd,Eager,Burish and Frashier were all willing and able to have a teammate's back too. All four were moved back in '10' along with Big Buff.........two 1st round exits followed. I'm sure the league will look-out for it's new star to some extent but it'll be up to his teammates to immediately answer for every single big hit an opponent wants to throw his way IMO. |
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Post by BigT on May 28, 2023 11:13:43 GMT -6
Watching the Worlds Championships. I’m thinking maybe the Hawks should bring in Milan Lucic for a couple of years. Sure he’s not very useful on ice anymore. But he’s still one of the toughest around. No one will touch Bedard. He would only command 1.5 million per. Maybe to reach the cap floor, they give him 2 million per. He could also come in with absolutely no knowledge of that room, and just be a natural leader. He could be the new Marty Lapointe.
Right now Lucic is on a line with Fantilli. Giving him some extra space. He could do the same for Bedard. Anyone touches Bedard and the hunchback of Lucic will crush them. That would be my answer for the short term!!!
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Post by LordKOTL on May 28, 2023 12:38:49 GMT -6
Nuance to my question was more about team toughness that allowed Crow to be run with regularity (E Kane most especially comes to mind) without repercussions. When CB is eventually roughed up, who will be expected to stand up next year to police the issue because as solid as he may be physically, I’m personally not expecting nor hoping for Gordie Howe hat tricks from him. Hope that helps explain the basis for the q. Well, to be fair to Kane he was put ass-over-teakettle into the bench his rookie year and came out of it with nothing more than a sheepish grin. Also, keep in mind there are none of the mewling pantywaists who were on the ice when Dr. Craw got ran (twice) are still on the team. In fact, I would say that the 2023 'hawks showed more pack mentality than they had in the past 7-8 years. I think this is something LR has done as a net positive. I think Bedard will be fine. I also think guys like Dickenson and Tandoori help. We light also pull in someone who can crash 'n bang like BigT alludes to. |
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Post by mikeveisor on May 28, 2023 13:02:56 GMT -6
He could also come in with absolutely no knowledge of that room, and just be a natural leader. He could be the new Marty Lapointe. Right now Lucic is on a line with Fantilli. Giving him some extra space. He could do the same for Bedard. Anyone touches Bedard and the hunchback of Lucic will crush them. That would be my answer for the short term!!! I recall Lapointe’s signing and thought “why do we need a former Dead Wing”? The “evil red menace.” Uncle Dale knew that he needed some character in the locker room. 2 years later I started to better understand the move. I think Lucic would be a great idea. |
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Post by bigbarn27 on May 28, 2023 19:58:38 GMT -6
Nuance to my question was more about team toughness that allowed Crow to be run with regularity (E Kane most especially comes to mind) without repercussions. When CB is eventually roughed up, who will be expected to stand up next year to police the issue because as solid as he may be physically, I’m personally not expecting nor hoping for Gordie Howe hat tricks from him. Hope that helps explain the basis for the q. Well, to be fair to Kane he was put ass-over-teakettle into the bench his rookie year and came out of it with nothing more than a sheepish grin. Also, keep in mind there are none of the mewling pantywaists who were on the ice when Dr. Craw got ran (twice) are still on the team. In fact, I would say that the 2023 'hawks showed more pack mentality than they had in the past 7-8 years. I think this is something LR has done as a net positive. I think Bedard will be fine. I also think guys like Dickenson and Tandoori help. We light also pull in someone who can crash 'n bang like BigT alludes to. Well put about Kane and just like Kane this kid has been lined up most of his life. The bad part is usually anyone coming in at his age gets shut down in there first 3 years so odds are good it will happen to him Dach is someone who could fill the police role his play in the playoffs would seem to back that up. Also once the kids start arriving they all know he is there meal ticket. I would assume most that take a run at him are gonna look pretty stupid gonna be fun to watch! |
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Post by 2old4this on May 28, 2023 23:50:46 GMT -6
Well, to be fair to Kane he was put ass-over-teakettle into the bench his rookie year and came out of it with nothing more than a sheepish grin. Also, keep in mind there are none of the mewling pantywaists who were on the ice when Dr. Craw got ran (twice) are still on the team. In fact, I would say that the 2023 'hawks showed more pack mentality than they had in the past 7-8 years. I think this is something LR has done as a net positive. I think Bedard will be fine. I also think guys like Dickenson and Tandoori help. We light also pull in someone who can crash 'n bang like BigT alludes to. Well put about Kane and just like Kane this kid has been lined up most of his life. The bad part is usually anyone coming in at his age gets shut down in there first 3 years so odds are good it will happen to him Dach is someone who could fill the police role his play in the playoffs would seem to back that up. Also once the kids start arriving they all know he is there meal ticket. I would assume most that take a run at him are gonna look pretty stupid gonna be fun to watch! I recall one time in Kane's early days with the Hawks he got a heavy hit and came up looking like he couldn't see in one eye; he looked scared to death. Fortunately. it wasn't anything serious. |
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Post by hsbob on May 30, 2023 8:57:00 GMT -6
Nuance to my question was more about team toughness that allowed Crow to be run with regularity (E Kane most especially comes to mind) without repercussions. When CB is eventually roughed up, who will be expected to stand up next year to police the issue because as solid as he may be physically, I’m personally not expecting nor hoping for Gordie Howe hat tricks from him. Hope that helps explain the basis for the q. Well, to be fair to Kane he was put ass-over-teakettle into the bench his rookie year and came out of it with nothing more than a sheepish grin. Also, keep in mind there are none of the mewling pantywaists who were on the ice when Dr. Craw got ran (twice) are still on the team. In fact, I would say that the 2023 'hawks showed more pack mentality than they had in the past 7-8 years. I think this is something LR has done as a net positive. I think Bedard will be fine. I also think guys like Dickenson and Tandoori help. We light also pull in someone who can crash 'n bang like BigT alludes to. More fond memories of the era? |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 30, 2023 16:01:23 GMT -6
Well, to be fair to Kane he was put ass-over-teakettle into the bench his rookie year and came out of it with nothing more than a sheepish grin. Also, keep in mind there are none of the mewling pantywaists who were on the ice when Dr. Craw got ran (twice) are still on the team. In fact, I would say that the 2023 'hawks showed more pack mentality than they had in the past 7-8 years. I think this is something LR has done as a net positive. I think Bedard will be fine. I also think guys like Dickenson and Tandoori help. We light also pull in someone who can crash 'n bang like BigT alludes to. More fond memories of the era? More like a lesson not to be forgotten. The one thing I loved about the 2008-2015 'hawks was the pack mentality. After that it disappeared. Sure, there were moments like where Panarin stood up for Kane and Debrincat stood up for Keith, but beyond that it really felt like guys really didn't have the "mess with one of us mess with all of us" vibe. I'm hoping LR and KD paid attention to that and are continuing to fix it. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 31, 2023 21:57:44 GMT -6
With the way Connor trains and knowing he'll be in the NHL next season, I can see him gaining 5-10lbs this summer. It'll be nice to see him listed in the 190s, a little growth spurt to 5'11" or 6' would be nice as well, we'll see.
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Post by BigT on Jun 1, 2023 5:52:33 GMT -6
With the way Connor trains and knowing he'll be in the NHL next season, I can see him gaining 5-10lbs this summer. It'll be nice to see him listed in the 190s, a little growth spurt to 5'11" or 6' would be nice as well, we'll see. I’m gonna say he’s done a growing. I heard the other day that he trains with Jar Jar in the summers. So that may be a good fit to bring him back. I know he’s not the greatest player, or fighter, or skater, or stick handler, or hockey iq, or agility, or shooter, or passer, but he’s a good room guy and if he’s familiar with Bedard, it may be good to have him hang around on the 4th line!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 1, 2023 9:48:04 GMT -6
With the way Connor trains and knowing he'll be in the NHL next season, I can see him gaining 5-10lbs this summer. It'll be nice to see him listed in the 190s, a little growth spurt to 5'11" or 6' would be nice as well, we'll see. I’m gonna say he’s done a growing. I heard the other day that he trains with Jar Jar in the summers. So that may be a good fit to bring him back. I know he’s not the greatest player, or fighter, or skater, or stick handler, or hockey iq, or agility, or shooter, or passer, but he’s a good room guy and if he’s familiar with Bedard, it may be good to have him hang around on the 4th line!!! Maybe height but the kid is muscular and he'll gain more weight, if the Pats guy said he's 190lbs, by the time he's 20 he'll be close to, if not, 200lbs. I heard that as well, I'd still walk away from Jujhar. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 1, 2023 20:15:48 GMT -6
mcdavid's first season he joined an oiler's team that had a .378 points % the year prior. the .378 was the leagues 3rd worst.
bedard will be joining a team that had a .360 points % the year prior and finished tied for 2nd worst.
mcdavid finished his first year 16g, 32a in 45 games. unlike bedard, mcdavid had some legitimate talent around him in his first year (taylor hall, draisaitl, RNH, jordan eberle).
not much chance bedard is that lucky.
anyhoo...long story short.
let's assume CB plays all 82 games. it's hard to predict his season without knowing who is linemates are but if he put together 60 points in his inaugural season would you be happy?
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 1, 2023 20:28:54 GMT -6
mcdavid's first season he joined an oiler's team that had a .378 points % the year prior. the .378 was the leagues 3rd worst. bedard will be joining a team that had a .360 points % the year prior and finished tied for 2nd worst. mcdavid finished his first year 16g, 32a in 45 games. unlike bedard, mcdavid had some legitimate talent around him in his first year (taylor hall, draisaitl, RNH, jordan eberle). not much chance bedard is that lucky. anyhoo...long story short. let's assume CB plays all 82 games. it's hard to predict his season without knowing who is linemates are but if he put together 60 points in his inaugural season would you be happy? Hell yes I would be happy with 60 hockey player are a special breed teams will take some pride in shutting that kid down. hawks will receive more of an effort from teams next year then they did this year. |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 1, 2023 20:38:06 GMT -6
mcdavid's first season he joined an oiler's team that had a .378 points % the year prior. the .378 was the leagues 3rd worst. bedard will be joining a team that had a .360 points % the year prior and finished tied for 2nd worst. mcdavid finished his first year 16g, 32a in 45 games. unlike bedard, mcdavid had some legitimate talent around him in his first year (taylor hall, draisaitl, RNH, jordan eberle). not much chance bedard is that lucky. anyhoo...long story short. let's assume CB plays all 82 games. it's hard to predict his season without knowing who is linemates are but if he put together 60 points in his inaugural season would you be happy? yes. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 2, 2023 15:43:12 GMT -6
I think with the way the NHL is going. I could really see the kid getting 80+ points. He will draw a lot of penalties. He’s gonna be on the top line, top pp and just be “the guy”. McDavid was on pace for 100 points his rookie year. I feel Bedard comes out of the gate a wee bit slow. He’ll be so pumped in his first game, he’ll get a goal. But I believe teams will target him and he’ll figure it out rather quickly. It’ll take him 15-20 games to really figure out what works at this level.
I feel it would be best to get someone like Lucic here on a 2 year deal. He creates room for guys. He’s not the best. But he offers something at this stage. Anyone hits Bedard, he’ll rip their neck off and shit down their throat. And think he’d be a top priority.
If some reasonable moves are made, I think Bedard gets to 80 points!!!
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Post by phill9 on Jun 2, 2023 16:30:43 GMT -6
mcdavid's first season he joined an oiler's team that had a .378 points % the year prior. the .378 was the leagues 3rd worst. bedard will be joining a team that had a .360 points % the year prior and finished tied for 2nd worst. mcdavid finished his first year 16g, 32a in 45 games. unlike bedard, mcdavid had some legitimate talent around him in his first year (taylor hall, draisaitl, RNH, jordan eberle). not much chance bedard is that lucky. anyhoo...long story short. let's assume CB plays all 82 games. it's hard to predict his season without knowing who is linemates are but if he put together 60 points in his inaugural season would you be happy? If he doesn't get 200 points per season he's a bust 😆 |
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Post by mikeveisor on Jun 2, 2023 17:28:57 GMT -6
I think with the way the NHL is going. I could really see the kid getting 80+ points. He will draw a lot of penalties. He’s gonna be on the top line, top pp and just be “the guy”. McDavid was on pace for 100 points his rookie year. I feel Bedard comes out of the gate a wee bit slow. He’ll be so pumped in his first game, he’ll get a goal. But I believe teams will target him and he’ll figure it out rather quickly. It’ll take him 15-20 games to really figure out what works at this level. I feel it would be best to get someone like Lucic here on a 2 year deal. He creates room for guys. He’s not the best. But he offers something at this stage. Anyone hits Bedard, he’ll rip their neck off and shit down their throat. And think he’d be a top priority. If some reasonable moves are made, I think Bedard gets to 80 points!!! Poetically accurate and I just think that Bedsy (need to start trying variations out, right?) will benefit from a Charles Oakley-type while quality is filled in around him. And 84 pts would put him on track with Kaner's 72 as a rookie (i.e., goals/game were 2.72 in 2007-2008, Kane's rookie year; they were 3.14 this year). I think that we'd all take that. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 2, 2023 19:10:57 GMT -6
I feel it would be best to get someone like Lucic here on a 2 year deal. He creates room for guys. He’s not the best. But he offers something at this stage. Anyone hits Bedard, he’ll rip their neck off and shit down their throat. And think he’d be a top priority. If some reasonable moves are made, I think Bedard gets to 80 points!!! I wouldn't mind Lucic, that'd give Bedard some space and detures guys from taking liberties with him, especially after the whistle. Put Reichel on the other wing to give Connor someone else with speed and playmaking ability. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 2, 2023 20:08:34 GMT -6
I feel it would be best to get someone like Lucic here on a 2 year deal. He creates room for guys. He’s not the best. But he offers something at this stage. Anyone hits Bedard, he’ll rip their neck off and shit down their throat. And think he’d be a top priority. If some reasonable moves are made, I think Bedard gets to 80 points!!! I wouldn't mind Lucic, that'd give Bedard some space and deture guys from taking liberties with him, especially after the whistle. Put Reichel on the other wing to give Connor someone else with speed and playmaking ability. the more i think about getting lucic, the more it grows on me. the more i think about putting lucic on CB's wing, the more it grows on me. he's made 6 mill/year the last 10 seasons, he's definitely going to have to take a lot less. would he bite at 2 million a year for 2 years? i did read somewhere he wants to go to a winner (boston keeps coming up) and also his hometown vancouver keeps coming up (even though he vowed never to play there in the past). chicago will be far from a "winner" but there might be something here that interests him. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 2, 2023 20:16:21 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind Lucic, that'd give Bedard some space and deture guys from taking liberties with him, especially after the whistle. Put Reichel on the other wing to give Connor someone else with speed and playmaking ability. the more i think about getting lucic, the more it grows on me. the more i think about putting lucic on CB's wing, the more it grows on me. he's made 6 mill/year the last 10 seasons, he's definitely going to have to take a lot less. would he bite at 2 million a year for 2 years? i did read somewhere he wants to go to a winner (boston keeps coming up) and also his hometown vancouver keeps coming up (even though he vowed never to play there in the past). chicago will be far from a "winner" but there might be something here that interests him. I fear for looch that his time has passed for him to pick and choose where to go. If he chooses to stay in the league. He needs to take what’s available. He just played with Fantilli on team Canada. I think for the first couple dozen games I’d keep him with Bedard to protect him and show him how to react to situations on the ice. From what I’ve heard from guys that have played with him. He’s the ultimate team guy and one hell of a leader. He’s the Lapointe of this age. I’d even give him 3 million per for 2 years. It won’t hurt a thing!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 2, 2023 20:28:46 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind Lucic, that'd give Bedard some space and deture guys from taking liberties with him, especially after the whistle. Put Reichel on the other wing to give Connor someone else with speed and playmaking ability. the more i think about getting lucic, the more it grows on me. the more i think about putting lucic on CB's wing, the more it grows on me. he's made 6 mill/year the last 10 seasons, he's definitely going to have to take a lot less. would he bite at 2 million a year for 2 years? i did read somewhere he wants to go to a winner (boston keeps coming up) and also his hometown vancouver keeps coming up (even though he vowed never to play there in the past). chicago will be far from a "winner" but there might be something here that interests him. He said that contract really weighed on him, I'm sure he'll take 2mill per year for 2yrs. If a "winner" wants to sign him he'll strictly be a 4th liner, if he wants to play with a generational player on the 1st line, that might entice him, and playing for Luke. |
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Post by Tater on Jun 3, 2023 2:38:16 GMT -6
He said that contract really weighed on him, I'm sure he'll take 2mill per year for 2yrs. If a "winner" wants to sign him he'll strictly be a 4th liner, if he wants to play with a generational player on the 1st line, that might entice him, and playing for Luke. Great points, ad I'd like to see the Hawks snag him as well. |
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Post by squishy24 on Jun 3, 2023 7:29:48 GMT -6
the more i think about getting lucic, the more it grows on me. the more i think about putting lucic on CB's wing, the more it grows on me. he's made 6 mill/year the last 10 seasons, he's definitely going to have to take a lot less. would he bite at 2 million a year for 2 years? i did read somewhere he wants to go to a winner (boston keeps coming up) and also his hometown vancouver keeps coming up (even though he vowed never to play there in the past). chicago will be far from a "winner" but there might be something here that interests him. He said that contract really weighed on him, I'm sure he'll take 2mill per year for 2yrs. If a "winner" wants to sign him he'll strictly be a 4th liner, if he wants to play with a generational player on the 1st line, that might entice him, and playing for Luke. Bedard with Lucic? That will just slow CB down. Luc is fine in 4th line role and a leader, but hes also not going to deter or protect anyone. Lucic, Chara, Mcquaid, Shawn Thornton and the big bad bruins didnt deter that douche Cooke from ending Savard’s career. Bedard need to keep his head up and learn to stand up for himself. Kane would have been the perfect mentor, and maybe watch some of Keith’s tapes |
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Post by BigT on Jun 3, 2023 9:30:19 GMT -6
He said that contract really weighed on him, I'm sure he'll take 2mill per year for 2yrs. If a "winner" wants to sign him he'll strictly be a 4th liner, if he wants to play with a generational player on the 1st line, that might entice him, and playing for Luke. Bedard with Lucic? That will just slow CB down. Luc is fine in 4th line role and a leader, but hes also not going to deter or protect anyone. Lucic, Chara, Mcquaid, Shawn Thornton and the big bad bruins didnt deter that douche Cooke from ending Savard’s career. Bedard need to keep his head up and learn to stand up for himself. Kane would have been the perfect mentor, and maybe watch some of Keith’s tapes I know someone who played with Lucic for a few years. He said Looch is the greatest guy. His team mates love him and he’ll fight for anyone. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a deterrent. He will literally rip someone’s cheek off and show it to them. He doesn’t even have to be on his line. Although I would for the first 15-20 games just to show his presence. Even the once great Blackhawk Manning (while on Philly) took out McDavid in his rookie year. He missed most of the season his rookie year. I believe Kassian went and sacked anyone he could the next time they played. His team mates loved him. McDavid spoke about him standing up for his guys and how valuable that was. Until the Hawks get a solid group in here. I’d prefer to have Lucic as a placeholder than Ryan Carpenter. Tell Looch to sit in front of the net when Bedard in on and the puck will 💯 get there. He can bang home 20-30 rebounds a year!!! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 3, 2023 10:33:20 GMT -6
Lucic? Hmmm ... Lucic with Bedard? Initial thought is one of derision - like what? If there are two opposite ends of a hockey player profile - Bedard and Lucic would fit the bill.
But ... let's not be too hasty I say to myself. Is there some possible goodness in this suggestion that I'm missing other than the stereotype of knuckle dragger protects 98 pound weakling from having sand kicked in his face by the local cretin at the beach?
Both are Vancouver guys and with Lucic's stature in his hometown I would be surprised if their paths haven't crossed. So - possibly a comfort factor of having a big brother type in the locker room and if not on the same line as Bedard - then at least on the bench who can be put on his line when the opposition is potentially froggy.
So, I guess the notion of acquiring Lucic is more palatable than first thought. If the term is right - why not?
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Post by Tater on Jun 3, 2023 11:06:55 GMT -6
Do you guys think CB will start out as a center, or will they ease him in as wing for a bit first?
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 3, 2023 12:46:34 GMT -6
Do you guys think CB will start out as a center, or will they ease him in as wing for a bit first? I don't know the answer to that but I hope they play him at center right out the gate. The Hawks don't need to win games - they need to put Bedard into the position he's best suited for which is center with the puck on his stick. They can live with the growing pains and be better off in the long run. |
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Post by BigT on Jun 3, 2023 12:57:37 GMT -6
Lucic? Hmmm ... Lucic with Bedard? Initial thought is one of derision - like what? If there are two opposite ends of a hockey player profile - Bedard and Lucic would fit the bill. But ... let's not be too hasty I say to myself. Is there some possible goodness in this suggestion that I'm missing other than the stereotype of knuckle dragger protects 98 pound weakling from having sand kicked in his face by the local cretin at the beach? Both are Vancouver guys and with Lucic's stature in his hometown I would be surprised if their paths haven't crossed. So - possibly a comfort factor of having a big brother type in the locker room and if not on the same line as Bedard - then at least on the bench who can be put on his line when the opposition is potentially froggy. So, I guess the notion of acquiring Lucic is more palatable than first thought. If the term is right - why not? He was on a line for gold medal winning Canada with Adam Fantilli. Looch rested a lot of room for the teenager. He ended up with 2 goals and 3 assists I believe (Fantilli). Not sure what Looch did. But he created a lot of space for Fantilli. And AF scored a hilight real goal on a nice pass from Looch. I’d have to believe that CB is much better than Fantilli right now. And he’d get a massive help with someone retrieving pucks, plus the banging and crashing!!! |
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Post by BigT on Jun 3, 2023 12:59:34 GMT -6
Do you guys think CB will start out as a center, or will they ease him in as wing for a bit first? He will definitely start at center. He’s the kid you revolve your offense around. So it’d be best to have him as F2 coming back. Let him play offense. And let another back check for him!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Jun 3, 2023 15:01:20 GMT -6
Do you guys think CB will start out as a center, or will they ease him in as wing for a bit first? center all the way. |
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