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Post by Nikos on May 15, 2023 14:52:27 GMT -6
With almost a week gone since we were fortunate to land the #1 pick, the media, fans and others have drawn comparison to some recent #1 overall picks, MacKinnon, McDavid & Matthews. The biggest thing that stands out is how much more impressive Bedard was on the world stage and playing mostly against older players.
Bedard
2022 World Juniors-4 goals and 4 assists with gold medal
2023 World Juniors-Set Canadian record with 23 points and MVP with another gold medal
MacKinnon
2013-World Juniors-1 assist in six games and Canada finished 4th
McDavid
2014-World Juniors-1 goal and 3 assists Canada finished 4th
2015-World Juniors-Tied tournament lead with 11 points, Canada wins gold
Matthews
2015-World Juniors-1 goal and 2 assists and Team USA failed to medal
2016-World Juniors-Seven goals and 11 total points, USA won Bronze
Playoffs
Bedard-2023-10 goals and 10 assists in seven playoff games
McDavid-2015-21 goals and 28 assists in 20 playoff games
There was recent poll by five NHL scouts and executives for best prospect the past decade and Bedard finished #2 to McDavid mostly due to his larger frame size and unmatched speed.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 15, 2023 18:46:15 GMT -6
With almost a week gone since we were fortunate to land the #1 pick, the media, fans and others have drawn comparison to some recent #1 overall picks, MacKinnon, McDavid & Matthews. The biggest thing that stands out is how much more impressive Bedard was on the world stage and playing mostly against older players. Bedard 2022 World Juniors-4 goals and 4 assists with gold medal 2023 World Juniors-Set Canadian record with 23 points and MVP with another gold medal MacKinnon 2013-World Juniors-1 assist in six games and Canada finished 4th McDavid 2014-World Juniors-1 goal and 3 assists Canada finished 4th 2015-World Juniors-Tied tournament lead with 11 points, Canada wins gold Matthews 2015-World Juniors-1 goal and 2 assists and Team USA failed to medal 2016-World Juniors-Seven goals and 11 total points, USA won Bronze Playoffs Bedard-2023-10 goals and 10 assists in seven playoff games McDavid-2015-21 goals and 28 assists in 20 playoff games There was recent poll by five NHL scouts and executives for best prospect the past decade and Bedard finished #2 to McDavid mostly due to his larger frame size and unmatched speed. McDavid has speed and he's 6'1", but he's 193lbs, Bedard was 185lbs when he was 16, the Pats play by play guy said he's 190lbs, so I don't think McDavid has a larger frame, just taller. And Bedard took a lot of physical abuse at the World Juniors but he gave it back while setting a new record for Canada, should have the all time record for a tournament but Forsberg had 10pts vs Japan. |
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Post by Nikos on May 15, 2023 19:23:25 GMT -6
With almost a week gone since we were fortunate to land the #1 pick, the media, fans and others have drawn comparison to some recent #1 overall picks, MacKinnon, McDavid & Matthews. The biggest thing that stands out is how much more impressive Bedard was on the world stage and playing mostly against older players. Bedard 2022 World Juniors-4 goals and 4 assists with gold medal 2023 World Juniors-Set Canadian record with 23 points and MVP with another gold medal MacKinnon 2013-World Juniors-1 assist in six games and Canada finished 4th McDavid 2014-World Juniors-1 goal and 3 assists Canada finished 4th 2015-World Juniors-Tied tournament lead with 11 points, Canada wins gold Matthews 2015-World Juniors-1 goal and 2 assists and Team USA failed to medal 2016-World Juniors-Seven goals and 11 total points, USA won Bronze Playoffs Bedard-2023-10 goals and 10 assists in seven playoff games McDavid-2015-21 goals and 28 assists in 20 playoff games There was recent poll by five NHL scouts and executives for best prospect the past decade and Bedard finished #2 to McDavid mostly due to his larger frame size and unmatched speed. McDavid has speed and he's 6'1", but he's 193lbs, Bedard was 185lbs when he was 16, the Pats play by play guy said he's 190lbs, so I don't think McDavid has a larger frame, just taller. And Bedard took a lot of physical abuse at the World Juniors but he gave it back while setting a new record for Canada, should have the all time record for a tournament but Forsberg had 10pts vs Japan. Yeah I agree he is just taller, Bedard is probably thicker especially his legs. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 15, 2023 19:38:09 GMT -6
With almost a week gone since we were fortunate to land the #1 pick, the media, fans and others have drawn comparison to some recent #1 overall picks, MacKinnon, McDavid & Matthews. The biggest thing that stands out is how much more impressive Bedard was on the world stage and playing mostly against older players. Bedard 2022 World Juniors-4 goals and 4 assists with gold medal 2023 World Juniors-Set Canadian record with 23 points and MVP with another gold medal MacKinnon 2013-World Juniors-1 assist in six games and Canada finished 4th McDavid 2014-World Juniors-1 goal and 3 assists Canada finished 4th 2015-World Juniors-Tied tournament lead with 11 points, Canada wins gold Matthews 2015-World Juniors-1 goal and 2 assists and Team USA failed to medal 2016-World Juniors-Seven goals and 11 total points, USA won Bronze Playoffs Bedard-2023-10 goals and 10 assists in seven playoff games McDavid-2015-21 goals and 28 assists in 20 playoff games There was recent poll by five NHL scouts and executives for best prospect the past decade and Bedard finished #2 to McDavid mostly due to his larger frame size and unmatched speed. McDavid has speed and he's 6'1", but he's 193lbs, Bedard was 185lbs when he was 16, the Pats play by play guy said he's 190lbs, so I don't think McDavid has a larger frame, just taller. And Bedard took a lot of physical abuse at the World Juniors but he gave it back while setting a new record for Canada, should have the all time record for a tournament but Forsberg had 10pts vs Japan. trying to find mcdavid's height/weight at 17, it led me to this article. it says at 17 he was 6'1" and 190 pounds. strange he's gained 0 inches and just 3 lbs. in 9 years since then. www.sbnation.com/longform/2014/11/19/7240465/connor-mcdavid-profile-nhl-prospect |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 15, 2023 19:43:12 GMT -6
McDavid has speed and he's 6'1", but he's 193lbs, Bedard was 185lbs when he was 16, the Pats play by play guy said he's 190lbs, so I don't think McDavid has a larger frame, just taller. And Bedard took a lot of physical abuse at the World Juniors but he gave it back while setting a new record for Canada, should have the all time record for a tournament but Forsberg had 10pts vs Japan. trying to find mcdavid's height/weight at 17, it led me to this article. it says at 17 he was 6'1" and 190 pounds. strange he's gained 0 inches and just 3 lbs. in 9 years since then. www.sbnation.com/longform/2014/11/19/7240465/connor-mcdavid-profile-nhl-prospectHe still looks thin, sometimes almost sickly lol but yeah some sites don't bother updating heights and weight. |
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Post by phill9 on May 15, 2023 20:09:38 GMT -6
7 days ago the Hawks got the #1 pick and we've only gotten to 5 pages on the Bedard thread....appalling 😆
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Post by 2old4this on May 15, 2023 20:30:19 GMT -6
He still looks thin, sometimes almost sickly lol but yeah some sites don't bother updating heights and weight. We should get some updated info at the combine in 3 weeks. |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 16, 2023 8:06:29 GMT -6
Just read this ridiculous article coming from Boston, suggesting trading Pasternak and Ullmark to the Haeks for the #1 pick. Can't wait to see all the trade rumors going into the draft Most fans don’t care to understand other teams plans. A rebuilding team is not taking on Pastrnaks deal. A rebuilding team will not trade their high draft picks. It’s like most play NHL 23 and make fantasy trades. I know a few posters that would trade the pick. I had a buddy ask me this hypothetical, would you trade the #1 to Anaheim for the #2 pick and Mason McTavish? I’d have to think about that one. You’re getting the #1 and 2 centers you need. But for marketing purposes, I don’t think you can!!! The only way that KD should even be thinking about trading that pick use if the 'hawks get a ready-made cup contending core back, plus. No team has that, so it's a non-starter. Anyone who thinks that the pick is going to be traded is nuts, nor do I think that KD will take, say Fantilli instead. And... If KD for some reason does, not only will news of his firing drop before the 2023 2nd overall pick is chosen, but I will be leading the torch and pitchfork brigade myself in a hastily put-together Mad Max style battlewagon. |
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Post by steamer on May 16, 2023 8:17:12 GMT -6
Had this been last year’s draft choices, the thought of trading down possibly made more sense as there wasn’t IMO a clear cut #1 generational type player. So after noodling on the idea for 30 seconds I came to the same conclusion. Pittsburgh didn’t trade down when Crosby was available and Oil didn’t trade down when McD was available. Shame on Oil mgmt for not yet building around McD but that’s a different story - they picked the generational player.
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Post by T-man2010 on May 16, 2023 9:31:58 GMT -6
Bedard is NEEDED here for marketing value while the team is being built around him.
Fantilli would be the same, just not a generational player, but a damn good player.
The Ducks have a good start with him and MacTavish.
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Post by Nikos on May 16, 2023 10:00:25 GMT -6
Bedard is NEEDED here for marketing value while the team is being built around him. Fantilli would be the same, just not a generational player, but a damn good player. The Ducks have a good start with him and MacTavish. They also have Trevor Zegras, I know some do not like how he comes across, but he is very talented. Also, former 6th overall, James Drysdale, dmen who was injured this past season, second round pick in 2021 Ollen Zellweger, dmen and Pavel Mintyukov, another dmen, the blue line pipeline looks very promising. Additionally, Lukas Dostal, goalie played for Ducks some this year and showed promise, Jacob Perreault, another 1st round pick and Nathan Gaucher, big two-way physical center and a 1st round pick. |
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Post by Nikos on May 16, 2023 12:48:53 GMT -6
Bedard’s first deal will automatically be three years long. And the annual salary, according to Cap Friendly‘s charts, can max at $4,450,000. (That’s broken up across base salary, signing bonus, and two other levels of bonus)
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Post by phill9 on May 25, 2023 20:23:58 GMT -6
So here's what I'm expecting on draft day. First, the Hawks announce they select Connor Bedard. Then Bettman comes to the podium and says: we have an announcement: ESPN/HULU have agreed to be the exclusive home of all 82 Chicago Blackhawk games. This will require a HULU subscription in order to watch Connor Bedard, which will be great for hockey fans everywhere, and of course a big win for ESPN/HULU. Now, picking 2nd in the 2023 NHL draft.......
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Post by BigT on May 25, 2023 20:34:45 GMT -6
So here's what I'm expecting on draft day. First, the Hawks announce they select Connor Bedard. Then Bettman comes to the podium and says: we have an announcement: ESPN/HULU have agreed to be the exclusive home of all 82 Chicago Blackhawk games. This will require a HULU subscription in order to watch Connor Bedard, which will be great for hockey fans everywhere, and of course a big win for ESPN/HULU. Now, picking 2nd in the 2023 NHL draft....... Now that the new blood is coming in. I think it’s time the old blood gets drained. It’s really time for Gary to fuck off. I actually stuck up for the guy for the last decade or so. If I was an owner, I really couldn’t complain. But it’s just time for a fresh set of eyes on this. Maybe a former player who has wicked ideas? Give him/her a team of lawyers behind him/her. I really hope that Gary does the right thing soon and retires. Time for count chocula to retire to his study. Or maybe he’s the count from Sesame Street. Soon he will be the draft lotto show saying “One ball, ah ah ahhhh, two ball, ah ah ahhhh”. ENOUGH GARY. Just leave. Get your own show on HULU, Count Gary, and “Bert” Bill Daly!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on May 26, 2023 7:31:34 GMT -6
So here's what I'm expecting on draft day. First, the Hawks announce they select Connor Bedard. Then Bettman comes to the podium and says: we have an announcement: ESPN/HULU have agreed to be the exclusive home of all 82 Chicago Blackhawk games. This will require a HULU subscription in order to watch Connor Bedard, which will be great for hockey fans everywhere, and of course a big win for ESPN/HULU. Now, picking 2nd in the 2023 NHL draft....... Now that the new blood is coming in. I think it’s time the old blood gets drained. It’s really time for Gary to fuck off. I actually stuck up for the guy for the last decade or so. If I was an owner, I really couldn’t complain. But it’s just time for a fresh set of eyes on this. Maybe a former player who has wicked ideas? Give him/her a team of lawyers behind him/her. I really hope that Gary does the right thing soon and retires. Time for count chocula to retire to his study. Or maybe he’s the count from Sesame Street. Soon he will be the draft lotto show saying “One ball, ah ah ahhhh, two ball, ah ah ahhhh”. ENOUGH GARY. Just leave. Get your own show on HULU, Count Gary, and “Bert” Bill Daly!!! They'll get a new guy from the NBA like bettmen was. I know, Scambo for Commish of the NHL!!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 26, 2023 7:38:42 GMT -6
Now that the new blood is coming in. I think it’s time the old blood gets drained. It’s really time for Gary to fuck off. I actually stuck up for the guy for the last decade or so. If I was an owner, I really couldn’t complain. But it’s just time for a fresh set of eyes on this. Maybe a former player who has wicked ideas? Give him/her a team of lawyers behind him/her. I really hope that Gary does the right thing soon and retires. Time for count chocula to retire to his study. Or maybe he’s the count from Sesame Street. Soon he will be the draft lotto show saying “One ball, ah ah ahhhh, two ball, ah ah ahhhh”. ENOUGH GARY. Just leave. Get your own show on HULU, Count Gary, and “Bert” Bill Daly!!! They'll get a new guy from the NBA like bettmen was. I know, Scambo for Commish of the NHL!!!! Baseball guys are popular too. |
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Post by LordKOTL on May 26, 2023 7:47:34 GMT -6
So here's what I'm expecting on draft day. First, the Hawks announce they select Connor Bedard. Then Bettman comes to the podium and says: we have an announcement: ESPN/HULU have agreed to be the exclusive home of all 82 Chicago Blackhawk games. This will require a HULU subscription in order to watch Connor Bedard, which will be great for hockey fans everywhere, and of course a big win for ESPN/HULU. Now, picking 2nd in the 2023 NHL draft....... Now that the new blood is coming in. I think it’s time the old blood gets drained. It’s really time for Gary to fuck off. I actually stuck up for the guy for the last decade or so. If I was an owner, I really couldn’t complain. But it’s just time for a fresh set of eyes on this. Maybe a former player who has wicked ideas? Give him/her a team of lawyers behind him/her. I really hope that Gary does the right thing soon and retires. Time for count chocula to retire to his study. Or maybe he’s the count from Sesame Street. Soon he will be the draft lotto show saying “One ball, ah ah ahhhh, two ball, ah ah ahhhh”. ENOUGH GARY. Just leave. Get your own show on HULU, Count Gary, and “Bert” Bill Daly!!! Count Chocula?!?!?  I always though of him as the sesame street count...but I like the cut of your jib. |
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Post by BigT on May 26, 2023 14:41:56 GMT -6
Now that the new blood is coming in. I think it’s time the old blood gets drained. It’s really time for Gary to fuck off. I actually stuck up for the guy for the last decade or so. If I was an owner, I really couldn’t complain. But it’s just time for a fresh set of eyes on this. Maybe a former player who has wicked ideas? Give him/her a team of lawyers behind him/her. I really hope that Gary does the right thing soon and retires. Time for count chocula to retire to his study. Or maybe he’s the count from Sesame Street. Soon he will be the draft lotto show saying “One ball, ah ah ahhhh, two ball, ah ah ahhhh”. ENOUGH GARY. Just leave. Get your own show on HULU, Count Gary, and “Bert” Bill Daly!!! They'll get a new guy from the NBA like bettmen was. I know, Scambo for Commish of the NHL!!!! To be honest. I don’t care where they’re from. Just have some good ideas. I’m not a fan of Brooksy Koepka. But he’s one of the best golfers in the world. He’s at your games. Sell it. It’s cross sports, it’s good for everyone. Charles Barkley, Vince Vaughn, Will Farrell. The list is massive. Get these people to help sell the sport. A guy like McDavid should be bringing in 20-25 million per year. There’s no TV money and no major advertising. The game has a long way to go. I see no reason why it can’t be bigger than basketball!!! |
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Post by phill9 on May 26, 2023 14:49:15 GMT -6
They'll get a new guy from the NBA like bettmen was. I know, Scambo for Commish of the NHL!!!! To be honest. I don’t care where they’re from. Just have some good ideas. I’m not a fan of Brooksy Koepka. But he’s one of the best golfers in the world. He’s at your games. Sell it. It’s cross sports, it’s good for everyone. Charles Barkley, Vince Vaughn, Will Farrell. The list is massive. Get these people to help sell the sport. A guy like McDavid should be bringing in 20-25 million per year. There’s no TV money and no major advertising. The game has a long way to go. I see no reason why it can’t be bigger than basketball!!! Upon his retirement announcement,Bettman will proudly introduce his replacement: Pee Wee Herman |
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Post by mikeveisor on May 27, 2023 14:13:45 GMT -6
A commenter on a 1st round ranking article raised a point I was thinking about - how will Bedard deal with being hit by men and at a faster pace than he’s ever experienced. Leads to a question: is the Jim Vandermeer-type UFA out there to make sure that other teams don’t take liberties with the youngster?
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Post by T-man2010 on May 27, 2023 15:04:02 GMT -6
A commenter on a 1st round ranking article raised a point I was thinking about - how will Bedard deal with being hit by men and at a faster pace than he’s ever experienced. Leads to a question: is the Jim Vandermeer-type UFA out there to make sure that other teams don’t take liberties with the youngster? Same question has been said about every smallish forward that has entered the league. Kane, D-Cat, St. louis and all have had and are having HOF careers. Now I've hear Bedard has tree trunks for legs and a low center of gravity. May just need some upper body training? |
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Post by BigT on May 27, 2023 15:11:35 GMT -6
A commenter on a 1st round ranking article raised a point I was thinking about - how will Bedard deal with being hit by men and at a faster pace than he’s ever experienced. Leads to a question: is the Jim Vandermeer-type UFA out there to make sure that other teams don’t take liberties with the youngster? He has played his whole career against older bigger guys so far. I really can’t buy into the notion that he’s gonna have a hard time. He played the WJC against older kids. 2 years older and absolutely destroyed to competition. He’s as close to the real deal as it comes. I see him like a better offensive Crosby. Bedard actually hits. Check out YouTube to see his hits. He sent a guy off on a stretcher. He’ll be fine!!! |
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Post by vadarx on May 27, 2023 15:28:19 GMT -6
A commenter on a 1st round ranking article raised a point I was thinking about - how will Bedard deal with being hit by men and at a faster pace than he’s ever experienced. Leads to a question: is the Jim Vandermeer-type UFA out there to make sure that other teams don’t take liberties with the youngster? Same question has been said about every smallish forward that has entered the league. Kane, D-Cat, St. louis and all have had and are having HOF careers. Now I've hear Bedard has tree trunks for legs and a low center of gravity. May just need some upper body training? yeah, I don't buy the "size" concerns on Bedard at all. he is stout. he might not be 6 foot, but he will be in the 190s-200s range once he fills out. |
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Post by mikeveisor on May 27, 2023 19:57:39 GMT -6
Nuance to my question was more about team toughness that allowed Crow to be run with regularity (E Kane most especially comes to mind) without repercussions. When CB is eventually roughed up, who will be expected to stand up next year to police the issue because as solid as he may be physically, I’m personally not expecting nor hoping for Gordie Howe hat tricks from him. Hope that helps explain the basis for the q.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 27, 2023 20:12:57 GMT -6
Nuance to my question was more about team toughness that allowed Crow to be run with regularity (E Kane most especially comes to mind) without repercussions. When CB is eventually roughed up, who will be expected to stand up next year to police the issue because as solid as he may be physically, I’m personally not expecting nor hoping for Gordie Howe hat tricks from him. Hope that helps explain the basis for the q. we don't have anyone (yet) that can beat aggressors to a bloody pulp. but i've said it a couple times already...imho there was heaps more team toughness last year than previous seasons when crow continually was run down. |
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Post by phill9 on May 27, 2023 20:59:24 GMT -6
Same question has been said about every smallish forward that has entered the league. Kane, D-Cat, St. louis and all have had and are having HOF careers. Now I've hear Bedard has tree trunks for legs and a low center of gravity. May just need some upper body training? yeah, I don't buy the "size" concerns on Bedard at all. he is stout. he might not be 6 foot, but he will be in the 190s-200s range once he fills out. Compares in size to HOF'r Marcel Dionne |
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Post by BigT on May 27, 2023 21:10:58 GMT -6
Nuance to my question was more about team toughness that allowed Crow to be run with regularity (E Kane most especially comes to mind) without repercussions. When CB is eventually roughed up, who will be expected to stand up next year to police the issue because as solid as he may be physically, I’m personally not expecting nor hoping for Gordie Howe hat tricks from him. Hope that helps explain the basis for the q. The game is trending away from that. I’m sure a big Dman like EDM or someone else will settle their hash. Worst case is that Luke grabs the prick on his way by and does it himself!!! |
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Post by Nikos on May 28, 2023 5:54:39 GMT -6
Nuance to my question was more about team toughness that allowed Crow to be run with regularity (E Kane most especially comes to mind) without repercussions. When CB is eventually roughed up, who will be expected to stand up next year to police the issue because as solid as he may be physically, I’m personally not expecting nor hoping for Gordie Howe hat tricks from him. Hope that helps explain the basis for the q. I am not concern someone will emerge from the team and have that role. Hopefully it is someone that plays on same line and is skilled as well. Thinking like an Al Secord type of player. |
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Post by mikeveisor on May 28, 2023 9:24:50 GMT -6
Nuance to my question was more about team toughness that allowed Crow to be run with regularity (E Kane most especially comes to mind) without repercussions. When CB is eventually roughed up, who will be expected to stand up next year to police the issue because as solid as he may be physically, I’m personally not expecting nor hoping for Gordie Howe hat tricks from him. Hope that helps explain the basis for the q. The game is trending away from that. I’m sure a big Dman like EDM or someone else will settle their hash. Worst case is that Luke grabs the prick on his way by and does it himself!!! Thankfully, the JC “let’s let bygones be bygones” approach seems to no longer be the company line. I just recall the Jim Vandermeers of the world imparting lessons for the Jim Wisniewskis (and Big Buff, too, maybe?) that kept K & T protected, but for the Willie Mitchell hit on Toews. Shoot, Seabs was in that mix, too. Can we just skip to draft day please with training camp the following day…? |
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Post by hsbob on May 28, 2023 9:51:41 GMT -6
Nuance to my question was more about team toughness that allowed Crow to be run with regularity (E Kane most especially comes to mind) without repercussions. When CB is eventually roughed up, who will be expected to stand up next year to police the issue because as solid as he may be physically, I’m personally not expecting nor hoping for Gordie Howe hat tricks from him. Hope that helps explain the basis for the q. I don't think you were referencing his size or his toughness but we have to remember he'll be entering the league @1 8 as the most highly touted prospect in a decade.
T-man mentioned smaller,highly-skilled players excelling in the league and nobody ran 18yro,highly touted McDavid out of it but the days of skating unscathed through the neutral zone and splitting teenage D-men is over.
I am NOT saying the kid won't excell,I expect him to. I'm also not saying he'll be targeted to an extreme but the rest of the league will see a Hawks team that's acquired TONS of picks by scorching the earth,drafted high two years in a row,a team that won the biggest draft sweepstakes in years and tanking for the 3rd year in a row........this might not sit well with a few teams.
I won't say what's left of the roster(13 players)is soft,but other than Tinordi,who had his face put back together a few times last year........not much experience chuckin' the knucks.
I don't know if a tougher vet like a Lucic is worth a 1 or 2 year cheap deal,he produces little now an even his PIM's are way down,maybe a tougher vet if we take-on a short term contract for picks but one wouldn't be a bad idea IMO. |
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