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Post by BigT on Jan 5, 2024 21:40:44 GMT -6
My tix are 5 rows off the ice. In the end where the Spits shoot twice. So I don’t think his skating is bad at all. Like I said, it’s not elite. But above average.
As far as that Cayden Lidstrom kid goes. He’d be my 2nd overall. If the Hawks lose out for Celebrini. I’d seriously consider trading down and taking Lidstrom. He’s huge and looks like what Byfield should a been. Then if you snag Greentree with the 2nd first rounder. Size is covered.
I know Vadar had brought up Lidstrom a while back. And I agree. I posted a video of his hilights. Kid is good!!!
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Post by tincup on Jan 5, 2024 21:51:51 GMT -6
My tix are 5 rows off the ice. In the end where the Spits shoot twice. So I don’t think his skating is bad at all. Like I said, it’s not elite. But above average. As far as that Cayden Lidstrom kid goes. He’d be my 2nd overall. If the Hawks lose out for Celebrini. I’d seriously consider trading down and taking Lidstrom. He’s huge and looks like what Byfield should a been. Then if you snag Greentree with the 2nd first rounder. Size is covered. I know Vadar had brought up Lidstrom a while back. And I agree. I posted a video of his hilights. Kid is good!!! I agree. Both are big bodied, good puck protectors and can score. This is what we need now. There are a couple of good defensive prospects available but I think at the moment we have enough players and prospects to ice a fairly good six for the future. |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 6, 2024 0:11:23 GMT -6
Misskey looks interesting in that article as well. Lindstrom is someone I noticed a while back, as T said, and the more I see, the more I like. I know I said earlier in this thread that I expected RHD to be the pick with out first pick. but now I'm thinking a guy like Lindstrom might be the better idea. then use the second first rounder on the BPA again. |
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Post by tincup on Jan 12, 2024 11:20:50 GMT -6
Curious to see how others think if you had to rank a prospect by tangible and intangible assets, both current and projectable. I’m thinking things like skill, motor, size, hockey IQ, etc. What’s the most important thing to look for when you are drafting.
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Post by mikeveisor on Jan 13, 2024 9:18:23 GMT -6
This FB blurb caught my attention - and having watched the Draft/Highlight video, Artyom Levshunov does look impressive (--) and is most likely available if we get #2/#3 I think. Being compared to Hedman and Parayko. If we get him, I hope he has heart and an edge, and doesn't become what I recall of one Boris Mironov, not from Belarus but Moscow. Cannot say I recall other D-prospects from overseas who advance by way of U.S. college vs. clubs overseas.
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Post by vadarx on Jan 13, 2024 10:56:26 GMT -6
This FB blurb caught my attention - and having watched the Draft/Highlight video, Artyom Levshunov does look impressive (--) and is most likely available if we get #2/#3 I think. Being compared to Hedman and Parayko. If we get him, I hope he has heart and an edge, and doesn't become what I recall of one Boris Mironov, not from Belarus but Moscow. Cannot say I recall other D-prospects from overseas who advance by way of U.S. college vs. clubs overseas. leading sharty in scoring as a defenseman. feels like it will be him vs a bigger forward when we pick, unless we pick first. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 13, 2024 11:27:24 GMT -6
This FB blurb caught my attention - and having watched the Draft/Highlight video, Artyom Levshunov does look impressive (--) and is most likely available if we get #2/#3 I think. Being compared to Hedman and Parayko. If we get him, I hope he has heart and an edge, and doesn't become what I recall of one Boris Mironov, not from Belarus but Moscow. Cannot say I recall other D-prospects from overseas who advance by way of U.S. college vs. clubs overseas. leading sharty in scoring as a defenseman. feels like it will be him vs a bigger forward when we pick, unless we pick first. I’m getting to the point where that Lidstrom kid should be the pick. If the Hawks land #1. I feel this is the year to trade down. Let’s say a team has pick #4 or 5, and say they have either another top ten pick or pick 11 or 12. Take Lidstrom and then either trade up with the extra picks to get possibly that (Bella)Russian or another target. So let’s say the Hawks do that tho of trade. They end up with pick #4, #11, #14 (Tampa). Then trade 11 and 14 for pick #6. Take Lidstrom and either that Belarusian D man or another good player. While I do like what Celebrini brings. I worry about his size. He’s not small 5’11” 190. But we just seen what happened to a smaller Bedard. Can’t have that many smaller forwards. Scouts are now calling Lidstrom a “Unicorn”. So I think it may be best to look no further than him!!! |
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Post by 2old4this on Jan 13, 2024 14:37:44 GMT -6
Curious to see how others think if you had to rank a prospect by tangible and intangible assets, both current and projectable. I’m thinking things like skill, motor, size, hockey IQ, etc. What’s the most important thing to look for when you are drafting. Trying to answer this just hurts my brain! It's just too complex. |
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Post by tincup on Jan 13, 2024 16:38:23 GMT -6
leading sharty in scoring as a defenseman. feels like it will be him vs a bigger forward when we pick, unless we pick first. I’m getting to the point where that Lidstrom kid should be the pick. If the Hawks land #1. I feel this is the year to trade down. Let’s say a team has pick #4 or 5, and say they have either another top ten pick or pick 11 or 12. Take Lidstrom and then either trade up with the extra picks to get possibly that (Bella)Russian or another target. So let’s say the Hawks do that tho of trade. They end up with pick #4, #11, #14 (Tampa). Then trade 11 and 14 for pick #6. Take Lidstrom and either that Belarusian D man or another good player. While I do like what Celebrini brings. I worry about his size. He’s not small 5’11” 190. But we just seen what happened to a smaller Bedard. Can’t have that many smaller forwards. Scouts are now calling Lidstrom a “Unicorn”. So I think it may be best to look no further than him!!! Are we at the point of picking the BAP or for need? I almost wish to not win the lottery so the decision is taken out of their hands. But the separation between picks 2 through 10 isn’t all that great. It could play out in multiple ways. The more picks here, the better, and yes, size matters. Latest from Bleacher Report. bleacherreport.com/articles/10104443-updated-2024-nhl-mock-draft-after-the-world-junior-championshiphttps://bleacherreport.com/articles/10104443-updated-2024-nhl-mock-draft-after-the-world-junior-championship |
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Post by tincup on Jan 13, 2024 16:52:22 GMT -6
Curious to see how others think if you had to rank a prospect by tangible and intangible assets, both current and projectable. I’m thinking things like skill, motor, size, hockey IQ, etc. What’s the most important thing to look for when you are drafting. Trying to answer this just hurts my brain! It's just too complex. Sometimes it’s obvious. A Bedard checks off almost all those boxes. But I’m wondering what most would think are the two or three best assets to look for in a lower pick since most will have a flaw in one area or another. Skill, including skating, is usually obvious. But hockey IQ is important as well. All the skill in the world won’t help you if you’re unable to utilize it correctly. As for physical attributes, Chicago’s high end forward prospects are average to below average in size so that would be something to target all things considered. Motor is always good. If a player is on the cusp of an NHL career and still needs to be massaged or motivated, that’s a concern. Thoughts? |
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Post by 2old4this on Jan 13, 2024 17:24:05 GMT -6
Trying to answer this just hurts my brain! It's just too complex. Sometimes it’s obvious. A Bedard checks off almost all those boxes. But I’m wondering what most would think are the two or three best assets to look for in a lower pick since most will have a flaw in one area or another. Skill, including skating, is usually obvious. But hockey IQ is important as well. All the skill in the world won’t help you if you’re unable to utilize it correctly. As for physical attributes, Chicago’s high end forward prospects are average to below average in size so that would be something to target all things considered. Motor is always good. If a player is on the cusp of an NHL career and still needs to be massaged or motivated, that’s a concern. Thoughts? as an example, skating skill breaks down into speed, acceleration, edgework, and balance. They all break down into several sub-categories. And most of the categories are not got-it, doesn't have it, but rather like on a scale of say, 1-100 if you really want to be able to compare one player to another. It quickly becomes quite complicated. My brain is beginning to hurt again, lol. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 13, 2024 17:32:33 GMT -6
Sometimes it’s obvious. A Bedard checks off almost all those boxes. But I’m wondering what most would think are the two or three best assets to look for in a lower pick since most will have a flaw in one area or another. Skill, including skating, is usually obvious. But hockey IQ is important as well. All the skill in the world won’t help you if you’re unable to utilize it correctly. As for physical attributes, Chicago’s high end forward prospects are average to below average in size so that would be something to target all things considered. Motor is always good. If a player is on the cusp of an NHL career and still needs to be massaged or motivated, that’s a concern. Thoughts? as an example, skating skill breaks down into speed, acceleration, edgework, and balance. They all break down into several sub-categories. And most of the categories are not got-it, doesn't have it, but rather like on a scale of say, 1-100 if you really want to be able to compare one player to another. It quickly becomes quite complicated. My brain is beginning to hurt again, lol.  |
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Post by tincup on Jan 13, 2024 17:40:13 GMT -6
Sometimes it’s obvious. A Bedard checks off almost all those boxes. But I’m wondering what most would think are the two or three best assets to look for in a lower pick since most will have a flaw in one area or another. Skill, including skating, is usually obvious. But hockey IQ is important as well. All the skill in the world won’t help you if you’re unable to utilize it correctly. As for physical attributes, Chicago’s high end forward prospects are average to below average in size so that would be something to target all things considered. Motor is always good. If a player is on the cusp of an NHL career and still needs to be massaged or motivated, that’s a concern. Thoughts? as an example, skating skill breaks down into speed, acceleration, edgework, and balance. They all break down into several sub-categories. And most of the categories are not got-it, doesn't have it, but rather like on a scale of say, 1-100 if you really want to be able to compare one player to another. It quickly becomes quite complicated. My brain is beginning to hurt again, lol. Guess that’s why it’s tough to make the right call if you’re a scout or G.M. and why sometimes they get bogged down in overthinking it. I do think there’s a tendency to overvalue one attribute to the detriment of another sometimes. |
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Post by vadarx on Jan 13, 2024 17:57:51 GMT -6
leading sharty in scoring as a defenseman. feels like it will be him vs a bigger forward when we pick, unless we pick first. I’m getting to the point where that Lidstrom kid should be the pick. If the Hawks land #1. I feel this is the year to trade down. Let’s say a team has pick #4 or 5, and say they have either another top ten pick or pick 11 or 12. Take Lidstrom and then either trade up with the extra picks to get possibly that (Bella)Russian or another target. So let’s say the Hawks do that tho of trade. They end up with pick #4, #11, #14 (Tampa). Then trade 11 and 14 for pick #6. Take Lidstrom and either that Belarusian D man or another good player. While I do like what Celebrini brings. I worry about his size. He’s not small 5’11” 190. But we just seen what happened to a smaller Bedard. Can’t have that many smaller forwards. Scouts are now calling Lidstrom a “Unicorn”. So I think it may be best to look no further than him!!! if the 'hawks get 1oa, they'll take Celebrini, no doubt about it. he is a sure fire center, which allows for either a 1-2 punch down the middle or moving 98 to wing. after that, I feel pretty confident that the righty in east lansing is the pick. if we pick below 2, it'll depend who is taken before we get to the mic. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 13, 2024 23:05:51 GMT -6
I’m getting to the point where that Lidstrom kid should be the pick. If the Hawks land #1. I feel this is the year to trade down. Let’s say a team has pick #4 or 5, and say they have either another top ten pick or pick 11 or 12. Take Lidstrom and then either trade up with the extra picks to get possibly that (Bella)Russian or another target. So let’s say the Hawks do that tho of trade. They end up with pick #4, #11, #14 (Tampa). Then trade 11 and 14 for pick #6. Take Lidstrom and either that Belarusian D man or another good player. While I do like what Celebrini brings. I worry about his size. He’s not small 5’11” 190. But we just seen what happened to a smaller Bedard. Can’t have that many smaller forwards. Scouts are now calling Lidstrom a “Unicorn”. So I think it may be best to look no further than him!!! Are we at the point of picking the BAP or for need? I almost wish to not win the lottery so the decision is taken out of their hands. But the separation between picks 2 through 10 isn’t all that great. It could play out in multiple ways. The more picks here, the better, and yes, size matters. Latest from Bleacher Report. bleacherreport.com/articles/10104443-updated-2024-nhl-mock-draft-after-the-world-junior-championshiphttps://bleacherreport.com/articles/10104443-updated-2024-nhl-mock-draft-after-the-world-junior-championshipThe more I read about that Lidstrom kid, the more I like him. He’s dominating and using his size. Now, the pro game has a lot of big players. And when a big players size is no longer their strength. They need to develop and patience is key. That’s why bigger guys take longer. However. This Lidstrom kid has very high end skill and probably won’t need that much adjustment time. But to answer your question. I think the need is the best overall player. But if you can get a centerman with size and skill. Now we’re laughing. That would cover need and wants. Scouts are calling Lidstrom a unicorn. I’m willing to take a flier on that!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 15, 2024 17:58:21 GMT -6
personally, i think we need fwds 10X more than we need defensemen, but it seems like this guy's making some waves this year. shoots right, decent size for 17 years old, draft eligible this year. on pace for 103 pts. in 68 games. www.eliteprospects.com/player/535574/zayne-parekh |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 15, 2024 18:16:38 GMT -6
A right handed D-man is always valuable.
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Post by BigT on Jan 15, 2024 18:35:27 GMT -6
personally, i think we need fwds 10X more than we need defensemen, but it seems like this guy's making some waves this year. shoots right, decent size for 17 years old, draft eligible this year. on pace for 103 pts. in 68 games. www.eliteprospects.com/player/535574/zayne-parekhI am not taking anything away from the kid. I just seen him get a mountain of points the other night vs my Spits. Saginaw won like 12-3. All I will say is he is good. No doubt. He is though on a wagon of a team. Like Saginaw is real real good. So that has definitely helped his numbers. I’d like to see him back next year in the OHL. Then we’ll see what he’s really made of. I’m sure he’ll put up points as he’ll be a more mature player in the league. If he goes back to the OHL and absolutely destroys it. Then he’s the real deal!!! |
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Post by steamer on Jan 15, 2024 18:52:18 GMT -6
6’ and 181 lbs.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 15, 2024 19:46:04 GMT -6
He is 17 so he might grow a couple more inches and about 20lbs. |
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Post by steamer on Jan 15, 2024 19:50:44 GMT -6
He is 17 so he might grow a couple more inches and about 20lbs. Cale Makar (who scored his 50th point tonight) is 5’11” and 190. Hawks have their big guys on D so this guy would be great to have. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 15, 2024 20:31:55 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 15, 2024 21:56:44 GMT -6
Crevier was 6' when he was 16, Korchinski was 5'11". Tohila was 6'3" before his draft year, he's 6'8" like Crevier. On average people stop growing height around 19, unless things have changed since I went to school. I was 6'1" when I was 16 and topped out at 6'3" when I was 18. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 15, 2024 22:13:35 GMT -6
Crevier was 6' when he was 16, Korchinski was 5'11". Tohila was 6'3" before his draft year, he's 6'8" like Crevier. On average people stop growing height around 19, unless things have changed since I went to school. I was 6'1" when I was 16 and topped out at 6'3" when I was 18. 30 or 40 years you'll be 6'1" again. |
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Post by BigT on Jan 15, 2024 22:22:18 GMT -6
Crevier was 6' when he was 16, Korchinski was 5'11". Tohila was 6'3" before his draft year, he's 6'8" like Crevier. On average people stop growing height around 19, unless things have changed since I went to school. I was 6'1" when I was 16 and topped out at 6'3" when I was 18. I’ve been a season ticket holder in the OHL for decades. I have never once seen a kid grow much if at all after 17. I’m not saying it’s impossible. I’d say the average boy is done growing by the end of grade 10. When their 15/16. To be honest. I don’t think I really remember anyone I grew up with grow much past 15. But again, it’s not impossible, just improbable. On to GTs point. My dad warned me, a healthy diet of beer or booze will help shrink you. My dad’s 78, but used to be 5’10”. Now he’s 5’5”. I was at 5’11” and now at 5’9” at 47. So I doubt it happens to everyone. But it happens in my family. So it does happen!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 15, 2024 22:55:20 GMT -6
Crevier was 6' when he was 16, Korchinski was 5'11". Tohila was 6'3" before his draft year, he's 6'8" like Crevier. On average people stop growing height around 19, unless things have changed since I went to school. I was 6'1" when I was 16 and topped out at 6'3" when I was 18. i think i topped out at 6' 2 1/2" at 19 or 20 but i was quite late gettin' my pubes. : D too bad the weight didn't top out then too. : ( |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 16, 2024 7:30:15 GMT -6
Crevier was 6' when he was 16, Korchinski was 5'11". Tohila was 6'3" before his draft year, he's 6'8" like Crevier. On average people stop growing height around 19, unless things have changed since I went to school. I was 6'1" when I was 16 and topped out at 6'3" when I was 18. i think i topped out at 6' 2 1/2" at 19 or 20 but i was quite late gettin' my pubes. : D too bad the weight didn't top out then too. : ( After my kidney problems and the heart attack, I lost 80 lbs. and now weigh less than I did in high school. from 260 to 180+- |
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Post by T-man2010 on Jan 16, 2024 7:32:20 GMT -6
And now I have to buy all new jeans and shirts.
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Post by BigT on Jan 16, 2024 8:00:12 GMT -6
And now I have to buy all new jeans and shirts. Maybe that’s a good problem? Good that you can still be vertical after all that!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 16, 2024 8:00:47 GMT -6
i think i topped out at 6' 2 1/2" at 19 or 20 but i was quite late gettin' my pubes. : D too bad the weight didn't top out then too. : ( After my kidney problems and the heart attack, I lost 80 lbs. and now weigh less than I did in high school. from 260 to 180+- It's effective...but still a f**k of a way to lose weight. Hang in there, skipper. |
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