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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 25, 2024 3:43:13 GMT -6
That I do not know. I hope he went to Florida. I love Florida so hopefully he likes it now too. But Silayev is looking to be the real deal. Sure he’ll take a bit longer. But he’s just got everything you need. Let’s say Vlasic and Silayev could be a total shut down pair. And I mean shut down. They play the most minutes and chip in minimum offense. Basically Chara and Hammer. That’s perfect. Now you could have KK and Rinzel to be the 2nd pairing. That’s amazing and also fucking HUGE! Having a top 4 that’s 6’7”, 6’6”, 6’4” 6’1”. That’s the biggest top 4 team n league history. Then if EDM and another righty (maybe Seth) found out the top 6. I mean, that’s not easy to have. Where the average player is 6’4”!!! I think Korchinski's 6'1" height is old - he is listed at 6'2" in a couple spots and Elite Prospects has him at 6'3". He's 6'3", possibly 6'4", and the sites saying he's 6'1" also say he's 185lbs, at the last camp they said he's 196lbs. KD and Goodman said he's one of the guys who was noticeable bigger. Even the eye test shows he's around the same height as Jones and Murphy.
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Post by BigT on Jun 25, 2024 5:55:46 GMT -6
I’ve never seen anything that suggests otherwise on KK. I’m not knocking him. Just every site including the Hawks has him listed as 6’1”. If I was shopping for steak, and every site online had it for $10.99 per lbs. I’d have to think I’m paying $10.99 per lbs!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 25, 2024 6:33:58 GMT -6
I’ve never seen anything that suggests otherwise on KK. I’m not knocking him. Just every site including the Hawks has him listed as 6’1”. If I was shopping for steak, and every site online had it for $10.99 per lbs. I’d have to think I’m paying $10.99 per lbs!!! EliteProspects, team Canadan and Seattle suggest otherwise. Did you also believe the NHL site when they had 6'8" Crevier listed at 6'1"? All you have to do is use your eyes, when he was paired with Murphy they were almost the same height, same with the few times he was on with Jones. Seattle's site had him listed at 6'3" 192lbs his last season there.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 25, 2024 6:36:18 GMT -6
I’ve never seen anything that suggests otherwise on KK. I’m not knocking him. Just every site including the Hawks has him listed as 6’1”. If I was shopping for steak, and every site online had it for $10.99 per lbs. I’d have to think I’m paying $10.99 per lbs!!! you know the way it works. yes, there are a lot of sites out there saying he's 6'1" but there are some saying he's 6'2" or 6'3". honestly i don't know why these sites don't update their info more often because it's maddening at times but i would tend to go with the taller numbers because i think they'd be more recent. especially with a player that just turned 20. in my eyes (one lazy, one wandering) he's definitely taller than 6'1" in street shoes.
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 25, 2024 6:44:05 GMT -6
If I was picking, and a Dman was the guy. I would seriously take Silayev. At 6’7” and already a good skater. The great Chara was an awful skater when he first came in to the NHL. One of the reasons the Isles and Sens let him go. They didn’t allow him to develop properly. Then he signs with Boston and he became a beast. Guys like that are hard to find. He already played pro. He will be very good very soon. Him playing in the KHL already and he’ll play 2 more years there. He’ll come over as a man and ready to rock. If I’m going forward, Demidov or Lindstrom. I fear Lindstrom is the unicorn that many will regret passing on!!! I want Silayev as well, when you're that big and that smooth of a skater that's tough to pass up on, especially considering he's known for shutting teams down and he can lay out some big hits. Did he go to Florida to do some tests? Since I'm no expert I could be all wet on this. Omitting the L/R part, in an ideal situation, would Silayev be a better dman to pair up with Korchinski than Levshunov? From all I've heard and read on Levshunov, and what I remember reading on Korchinski, this is what I started wondering: if Levshunov was paired with KK, aren't you pairing two offensive dmen with both still needing to improve their defense. Not that they can't improve their defense in time, but what if it never improves a great deal. It seemed like pairing two dmen that have the same strong areas and the same weaker areas. But with Silayev, you've got someone with great size and and known for his defense paired with an offensive type dman. I have seen a few mock drafts that had Silayev as the first dman taken. Although if the Hawks go D at 2, I'd expect Levshunov to be the pick.
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Post by BigT on Jun 25, 2024 8:27:37 GMT -6
I want Silayev as well, when you're that big and that smooth of a skater that's tough to pass up on, especially considering he's known for shutting teams down and he can lay out some big hits. Did he go to Florida to do some tests? Since I'm no expert I could be all wet on this. Omitting the L/R part, in an ideal situation, would Silayev be a better dman to pair up with Korchinski than Levshunov? From all I've heard and read on Levshunov, and what I remember reading on Korchinski, this is what I started wondering: if Levshunov was paired with KK, aren't you pairing two offensive dmen with both still needing to improve their defense. Not that they can't improve their defense in time, but what if it never improves a great deal. It seemed like pairing two dmen that have the same strong areas and the same weaker areas. But with Silayev, you've got someone with great size and and known for his defense paired with an offensive type dman. I have seen a few mock drafts that had Silayev as the first dman taken. Although if the Hawks go D at 2, I'd expect Levshunov to be the pick. I’d have to think that Danny Wirtz didn’t waste his time heading to Florida ( maybe Buffalo too?) to meet either one or both of the Russian players. It is definitely down to those two. I think any trade before hand will help foresee who’ll they’ll take. If the Hawks trade for a couple forwards and are linked to someone in free agency that’s a forward, they’re gonna take Levy. If they trade for a right shot dman……. I think by this evening we’ll hear a lot of chatter about UFA’s and trades!!!
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Post by nighbor on Jun 25, 2024 9:24:46 GMT -6
I think KD should keep picks 2 and 18 and trade the rest to the Duck's for pick #3. As a sweetener we could throw in all our 2025 picks except our own #1.
Problem solved.
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Post by Nikos on Jun 25, 2024 9:55:16 GMT -6
I think KD should keep picks 2 and 18 and trade the rest to the Duck's for pick #3. As a sweetener we could throw in all our 2025 picks except our own #1. Problem solved. I like your thinking, but Ducks do not make that deal IMO, maybe if 18 is included.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 25, 2024 14:47:39 GMT -6
I think KD should keep picks 2 and 18 and trade the rest to the Duck's for pick #3. As a sweetener we could throw in all our 2025 picks except our own #1. Problem solved. lol, Anaheim isn't making that trade, they already have a ton picks to begin with...
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Post by vadarx on Jun 25, 2024 14:49:59 GMT -6
I want Silayev as well, when you're that big and that smooth of a skater that's tough to pass up on, especially considering he's known for shutting teams down and he can lay out some big hits. Did he go to Florida to do some tests? Since I'm no expert I could be all wet on this. Omitting the L/R part, in an ideal situation, would Silayev be a better dman to pair up with Korchinski than Levshunov? From all I've heard and read on Levshunov, and what I remember reading on Korchinski, this is what I started wondering: if Levshunov was paired with KK, aren't you pairing two offensive dmen with both still needing to improve their defense. Not that they can't improve their defense in time, but what if it never improves a great deal. It seemed like pairing two dmen that have the same strong areas and the same weaker areas. But with Silayev, you've got someone with great size and and known for his defense paired with an offensive type dman. I have seen a few mock drafts that had Silayev as the first dman taken. Although if the Hawks go D at 2, I'd expect Levshunov to be the pick. if we take Levshunov, imo we will have a 1a and 1b situation vs a true 1d. Levshunov and Korch probably won't ever play together. Vlasic/Levshunov, KK/Rinzel is the way it works out down the road (imo). Jones is traded or is the 3rd pairing RHD once Rinzel is ready.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 25, 2024 14:51:35 GMT -6
Since I'm no expert I could be all wet on this. Omitting the L/R part, in an ideal situation, would Silayev be a better dman to pair up with Korchinski than Levshunov? From all I've heard and read on Levshunov, and what I remember reading on Korchinski, this is what I started wondering: if Levshunov was paired with KK, aren't you pairing two offensive dmen with both still needing to improve their defense. Not that they can't improve their defense in time, but what if it never improves a great deal. It seemed like pairing two dmen that have the same strong areas and the same weaker areas. But with Silayev, you've got someone with great size and and known for his defense paired with an offensive type dman. I have seen a few mock drafts that had Silayev as the first dman taken. Although if the Hawks go D at 2, I'd expect Levshunov to be the pick. I’d have to think that Danny Wirtz didn’t waste his time heading to Florida ( maybe Buffalo too?) to meet either one or both of the Russian players. It is definitely down to those two. I think any trade before hand will help foresee who’ll they’ll take. If the Hawks trade for a couple forwards and are linked to someone in free agency that’s a forward, they’re gonna take Levy. If they trade for a right shot dman……. I think by this evening we’ll hear a lot of chatter about UFA’s and trades!!! Danny was not in Buffalo. Levshunov and Demidov were both in Florida and the 'hawks had a lunch with one and dinner with the other, so I'm just going to ASSume Danny was there for both of those.
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Post by BigT on Jun 25, 2024 15:09:40 GMT -6
I’d have to think that Danny Wirtz didn’t waste his time heading to Florida ( maybe Buffalo too?) to meet either one or both of the Russian players. It is definitely down to those two. I think any trade before hand will help foresee who’ll they’ll take. If the Hawks trade for a couple forwards and are linked to someone in free agency that’s a forward, they’re gonna take Levy. If they trade for a right shot dman……. I think by this evening we’ll hear a lot of chatter about UFA’s and trades!!! Danny was not in Buffalo. Levshunov and Demidov were both in Florida and the 'hawks had a lunch with one and dinner with the other, so I'm just going to ASSume Danny was there for both of those. I’m gonna say Levy is the guy. I don’t know if KD makes any trades now. I think he’ll just target a few UFAs and go from there. It sounds like a lot of teams would like the 18th pick. But it sounds like KD is gonna use the pick for a draftee. Carolina deal fell apart as the Canes are looking for a “hockey trade”. So that probably excludes the Hawks. I’m not sure he does anything “sexy”. It seems like he has a timeline still and it’s 2 more years. So, maybe he proves me wrong!!!
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Post by vadarx on Jun 25, 2024 15:37:18 GMT -6
Danny was not in Buffalo. Levshunov and Demidov were both in Florida and the 'hawks had a lunch with one and dinner with the other, so I'm just going to ASSume Danny was there for both of those. I’m gonna say Levy is the guy. I don’t know if KD makes any trades now. I think he’ll just target a few UFAs and go from there. It sounds like a lot of teams would like the 18th pick. But it sounds like KD is gonna use the pick for a draftee. Carolina deal fell apart as the Canes are looking for a “hockey trade”. So that probably excludes the Hawks. I’m not sure he does anything “sexy”. It seems like he has a timeline still and it’s 2 more years. So, maybe he proves me wrong!!! it doesn't sound like there be any flashy signings, no, but I never expected there to be any anyway, so...
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Post by BigT on Jun 25, 2024 16:04:22 GMT -6
I’m gonna say Levy is the guy. I don’t know if KD makes any trades now. I think he’ll just target a few UFAs and go from there. It sounds like a lot of teams would like the 18th pick. But it sounds like KD is gonna use the pick for a draftee. Carolina deal fell apart as the Canes are looking for a “hockey trade”. So that probably excludes the Hawks. I’m not sure he does anything “sexy”. It seems like he has a timeline still and it’s 2 more years. So, maybe he proves me wrong!!! it doesn't sound like there be any flashy signings, no, but I never expected there to be any anyway, so... One trade that’s out there is Zegras. I’m not sure he’s a long term solution. I do appreciate his skill set. But to pay him 9-10 million doesn’t seem like a good idea. And he’ll probably get that. He’s a poor mans Marner to me!!!
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Post by shooter61 on Jun 25, 2024 16:30:32 GMT -6
Just read Bob MacKenzie's draft rankings, MVR, he gets his info from NHL teams, I, like you take most of the rankings from others with a grain of salt, but he has demmy 2nd and levs 3rd, the big Silayev 4th lindstrom 5th, he also said , scouts agree his back is fine, he also listed the number of scouts that had each , ranked 2nd and 3rd, demmy had 14 2nd votes . levs had 8, followed by lindstrom with 6, Silayev had no 2nd votes but 3 third votes, I just think lindstrom, would be fit what we need the most, a big tuff 1st line center
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 25, 2024 16:44:17 GMT -6
I think KD should keep picks 2 and 18 and trade the rest to the Duck's for pick #3. As a sweetener we could throw in all our 2025 picks except our own #1. Problem solved. Ditka? Is that you?
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Post by Nikos on Jun 25, 2024 17:40:41 GMT -6
it doesn't sound like there be any flashy signings, no, but I never expected there to be any anyway, so... One trade that’s out there is Zegras. I’m not sure he’s a long term solution. I do appreciate his skill set. But to pay him 9-10 million doesn’t seem like a good idea. And he’ll probably get that. He’s a poor mans Marner to me!!! Report Ducks asking price is really high, about 8 teams interested. I just do not see him as long term solution.
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Post by mvr on Jun 25, 2024 17:53:53 GMT -6
Just read Bob MacKenzie's draft rankings, MVR, he gets his info from NHL teams, I, like you take most of the rankings from others with a grain of salt, but he has demmy 2nd and levs 3rd, the big Silayev 4th lindstrom 5th, he also said , scouts agree his back is fine, he also listed the number of scouts that had each , ranked 2nd and 3rd, demmy had 14 2nd votes . levs had 8, followed by lindstrom with 6, Silayev had no 2nd votes but 3 third votes, I just think lindstrom, would be fit what we need the most, a big tuff 1st line center Mackenzie is a reporter we all should have confidence in. I like his methodology, and I trust that his sources are legit, given his legacy (both at the Hockey News and at TSN), He has done this kind of thing for a long time. Of the 10 scouts he surveyed, 6 went to Demidov and 3 to Levshunov at pick two. Now we know the pros are also seeing the same thing as the bloggers. It is clear Demidov has a high ceiling. But there was also this revealing quote: “I have no problem personally ranking Demidov at No. 2,” said a scout, “but I couldn’t assure you my team would take him there if we were picking second overall. There’s a lot more that goes into it now, especially that high.” In other words, ranking prospects according to talent is one thing. Deciding which one makes the most sense to an organization is something else entirely. I am a floor guy. I don't roll the dice often and never really have. We have discussed the risks with Demidov extensively. I also believe in drafting for need. The team already has Bedard, Kurashev, Nazer and Moore - four below average sized forwards who make plays but won't play physically or defend. There are many others (Lardis, Kantserov etc) in the system with similar builds and games. Perhaps none will be as good as Demidov, but surely some will be good enough playmakers to help Bedard produce offense. The team has no big centres and few power wingers in the system. They lack right-shot defencemen. Champions have a balance of different types of players. If three of the 10 scouts believe Levshunov is pick two (and most others have him in the top three), this is a good sign. I say take the sure thing because he fills a legit hole. For the same reason, I have very little interest in players like Luchanko and Catton (even if they are the best players available). The team's system is loaded with similar players. There are others (perhaps slightly less skilled, but perhaps not) who we know would fill big holes here. If Greentree or Boisvert is around at pick 18, drafting one of the two would fill a power forward spot. I would definitely take 6'7" centre Dean Letourneau at pick 35 should he still be around. Now the team would have a true third line centre prospect who could handle a checking role. Teams do not make hockey trades any longer. Managers need to draft to fill needs. Here is Mackenzie's entire article. It is a good read as always. www.tsn.ca/nhl/bob-mckenzie-s-final-nhl-draft-ranking-many-attractive-and-diverse-options-after-macklin-celebrini-1.2139912
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 25, 2024 18:04:09 GMT -6
Since Bobby Mac's final ranking solidified Demidov as the BPA, albeit not a consensus - this has ended up being a choice for the Hawks between BPA and team need. KD has preached BPA - so we'll see.
Thank goodness there's only a few days until the big reveal.
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Post by mvr on Jun 25, 2024 18:20:04 GMT -6
One other small point: When you think of which players tend to be awarded the three stars on a given night, almost always it is the forwards who get the most points.
How often did Duncan Keith or Brent Seabrook do the victory lap after a good game? Certainly occasionally, but not at the same level as Patrick Kane (or Alex Debrincat for that matter).
Star scoring forwards sell tickets and get all the attention from the media and the advertisers. They promote the product. Elite defencemen win playoff rounds. If Demidov hits his ceiling, he's certainly going to sell more jerseys than Levshunov no matter how good the defenceman becomes. We all recognize this reality - and clearly it is one reason why teams tend to draft forwards earlier than defencemen and spend more on them as UFAs.
I guess Davidson will have to decide what's most important.
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Post by mvr on Jun 25, 2024 18:46:37 GMT -6
Since Bobby Mac's final ranking solidified Demidov as the BPA, albeit not a consensus - this has ended up being a choice for the Hawks between BPA and team need. KD has preached BPA - so we'll see. Thank goodness there's only a few days until the big reveal. Ten out of ten in the survey agree that Celebrini is the BPA. But only six out of ten say Demidov is the BPA at pick two. As you write above, this is not a consensus by any stretch. It is also a small sample size. My guess is that even within a single scouting staff, there is no consensus BPA (which makes the entire concept somewhat meaningless). The decision is not black or white. Depending on whom you trust most, the BPA could also be the one who fills a team need and provides the lesser risk (the highest floor guy).
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Post by vadarx on Jun 25, 2024 19:14:37 GMT -6
Just read Bob MacKenzie's draft rankings, MVR, he gets his info from NHL teams, I, like you take most of the rankings from others with a grain of salt, but he has demmy 2nd and levs 3rd, the big Silayev 4th lindstrom 5th, he also said , scouts agree his back is fine, he also listed the number of scouts that had each , ranked 2nd and 3rd, demmy had 14 2nd votes . levs had 8, followed by lindstrom with 6, Silayev had no 2nd votes but 3 third votes, I just think lindstrom, would be fit what we need the most, a big tuff 1st line center I don't think he is a center. could still use a power forward, though. back injuries scare me too much, I don't give a shit what the scouts say, tbh. I can't use 2nd on him.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 25, 2024 19:35:46 GMT -6
still believe there is going to be size available @ 34. I'm taking the best center available @ 18 and I think that will be Hage or Luchanko.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 25, 2024 20:11:47 GMT -6
Just read Bob MacKenzie's draft rankings, MVR, he gets his info from NHL teams, I, like you take most of the rankings from others with a grain of salt, but he has demmy 2nd and levs 3rd, the big Silayev 4th lindstrom 5th, he also said , scouts agree his back is fine, he also listed the number of scouts that had each , ranked 2nd and 3rd, demmy had 14 2nd votes . levs had 8, followed by lindstrom with 6, Silayev had no 2nd votes but 3 third votes, I just think lindstrom, would be fit what we need the most, a big tuff 1st line center Mackenzie is a reporter we all should have confidence in. I like his methodology, and I trust that his sources are legit, given his legacy (both at the Hockey News and at TSN), He has done this kind of thing for a long time. Of the 10 scouts he surveyed, 6 went to Demidov and 3 to Levshunov at pick two. Now we know the pros are also seeing the same thing as the bloggers. It is clear Demidov has a high ceiling. But there was also this revealing quote: “I have no problem personally ranking Demidov at No. 2,” said a scout, “but I couldn’t assure you my team would take him there if we were picking second overall. There’s a lot more that goes into it now, especially that high.” In other words, ranking prospects according to talent is one thing. Deciding which one makes the most sense to an organization is something else entirely. I am a floor guy. I don't roll the dice often and never really have. We have discussed the risks with Demidov extensively. I also believe in drafting for need. The team already has Bedard, Kurashev, Nazer and Moore - four below average sized forwards who make plays but won't play physically or defend. There are many others (Lardis, Kantserov etc) in the system with similar builds and games. Perhaps none will be as good as Demidov, but surely some will be good enough playmakers to help Bedard produce offense. The team has no big centres and few power wingers in the system. They lack right-shot defencemen. Champions have a balance of different types of players. If three of the 10 scouts believe Levshunov is pick two (and most others have him in the top three), this is a good sign. I say take the sure thing because he fills a legit hole. For the same reason, I have very little interest in players like Luchanko and Catton (even if they are the best players available). The team's system is loaded with similar players. There are others (perhaps slightly less skilled, but perhaps not) who we know would fill big holes here. If Greentree or Boisvert is around at pick 18, drafting one of the two would fill a power forward spot. I would definitely take 6'7" centre Dean Letourneau at pick 35 should he still be around. Now the team would have a true third line centre prospect who could handle a checking role. Teams do not make hockey trades any longer. Managers need to draft to fill needs. Here is Mackenzie's entire article. It is a good read as always. www.tsn.ca/nhl/bob-mckenzie-s-final-nhl-draft-ranking-many-attractive-and-diverse-options-after-macklin-celebrini-1.2139912You mention Bedard, Kurashev, Nazar, and Moore as undersized and not physical then say there are many others, like Lardis, Kantersov, etc, those two are the only others. Moore was 196lbs when drafted and will easily be over 200lbs, above average, and he plays an aggressive game. Nazar was 185lbs when drafted and gained a lot of muscle, he'll be around 200lbs when he's done, he plays very aggressive and lays out some big hits, he even got kicked out of a game at the World Juniors because of a huge open ice hit. Bedard is bulky and isn't afraid to play aggressive and he was 185lbs when he was 16, he'll be around 200lbs as well. Kurashev was 190lbs when drafted and I'm sure he gained some weight and he's a hard forechecker. Just because those four aren't over 6' doesn't mean they're small and not physical. As for big centers, Misiak, Greene, Dach, plus Savoie and Marcel² can play center. Another guy who'll be a bottom 6 center is Stjernborg, over 200lbs when he was drafted and plays very aggressive. This team has a good mix of forwards to cover every line. Of course if there's a big center available at 18 or 34 I say draft them. I do agree though at #2 it should be a dman, either Levshunov or Silayev. I don't like to gamble and those two are what the Hawks need.
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Post by mvr on Jun 25, 2024 20:21:54 GMT -6
I understand the desire many here have to add a game-breaking star talent to join Bedard as a one-two punch at the top of the lineup.
But there are always other options besides Demidov. Cole Eiserman was not so long ago considered just that. Recently, however, the kid's ranking has been in free fall (dropped to 14 on MacKenzie's latest list). It is conceivable if not likely that his name will still on the board at pick 18.
To my mind, drafting this player at this spot would be a worthwhile gamble. According to Button and MacKenzie, Eiserman is the "best pure goal scorer" in the draft (and this includes Demidov and Celebrini).
His floor seems to be Alex Debrincat or slightly better (a one dimensional, first-line scoring winger/ powerplay specialist). You can easily project this player as someone who routinely scores 40 goals/year).
I do see value in Eiserman and believe spending a late first to fill this role might be a good idea. With good coaching and some maturity, Eiserman could still grow into something more. Bedard is so good already, I believe he will turn his linemates into great players.
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Post by BigT on Jun 25, 2024 20:30:10 GMT -6
Since Bobby Mac's final ranking solidified Demidov as the BPA, albeit not a consensus - this has ended up being a choice for the Hawks between BPA and team need. KD has preached BPA - so we'll see. Thank goodness there's only a few days until the big reveal. Ten out of ten in the survey agree that Celebrini is the BPA. But only six out of ten say Demidov is the BPA at pick two. As you write above, this is not a consensus by any stretch. It is also a small sample size. My guess is that even within a single scouting staff, there is no consensus BPA (which makes the entire concept somewhat meaningless). The decision is not black or white. Depending on whom you trust most, the BPA could also be the one who fills a team need and provides the lesser risk (the highest floor guy). Honest question. I know you e brought up other drafts where teams took the dmen over say Filatov. Do you think this could be a case in Toews draft year where teams took the dman and the bigger center over the smaller (not by much) Toews? I could really see Levshunov being an Erik Johnson type. Decent, but not at that slot. I personally would take Lindstrom or Silayev. But I’d be ok with Demidov or Levshunov. Since I doubt it’s either of my top two. It’s basically down to Demi and Levy. We’ll see soon enough!!!
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Post by BigT on Jun 25, 2024 20:32:37 GMT -6
still believe there is going to be size available @ 34. I'm taking the best center available @ 18 and I think that will be Hage or Luchanko. Would you entertain Greentree if he’s there? I do agree that Hage may be the best available at that point. He may even end up a Claude Giroux type. A lot of great reviews on him!!!
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Post by mvr on Jun 25, 2024 20:34:48 GMT -6
The league average height and weight for forwards is roughly 6'1" and 200 pounds, although these numbers are growing.
Routinely, we are seeing 6'4" 230 plus pound defencemen joining the league.
Power wingers have to be able to match this kind of physical bulk.
Moore, Nazer and the high end draft picks are on the league average to small size (other than Misiak). Davidson did draft some bigger players towards the end of last year's draft, but my guess is that none of them likely have NHL futures (certainly not in the top six).
To compete in the modern game, the team needs to start spending high end draft capital on quality bigger and heavier forwards. It did not happen under Bowman, and so far his young disciple Davidson is not worrying much about it either.
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Post by mvr on Jun 25, 2024 20:37:11 GMT -6
Ten out of ten in the survey agree that Celebrini is the BPA. But only six out of ten say Demidov is the BPA at pick two. As you write above, this is not a consensus by any stretch. It is also a small sample size. My guess is that even within a single scouting staff, there is no consensus BPA (which makes the entire concept somewhat meaningless). The decision is not black or white. Depending on whom you trust most, the BPA could also be the one who fills a team need and provides the lesser risk (the highest floor guy). Honest question. I know you e brought up other drafts where teams took the dmen over say Filatov. Do you think this could be a case in Toews draft year where teams took the dman and the bigger center over the smaller (not by much) Toews? I could really see Levshunov being an Erik Johnson type. Decent, but not at that slot. I personally would take Lindstrom or Silayev. But I’d be ok with Demidov or Levshunov. Since I doubt it’s either of my top two. It’s basically down to Demi and Levy. We’ll see soon enough!!! Toews was drafted as a two way power centre. If the Hawks already had even one, perhaps I would have looked elsewhere. They did not. Few teams do. Most teams have scoring wingers. There is a difference. Eric Johnson was the BPA at the time. He did not develop in St. Louis. It happens. The Penguins' pick, Staal, was a great player who filled a needed role for a cup contender. They had Malkin and Crosby but needed a defensive centre. They got a good one who helped them win. I am sure they have no regrets.
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Post by vadarx on Jun 25, 2024 20:37:57 GMT -6
I understand the desire many here have to add a game-breaking star talent to join Bedard as a one-two punch at the top of the lineup. But there are always other options besides Demidov. Cole Eiserman was not so long ago considered just that. Recently, however, the kid's ranking has been in free fall (dropped to 14 on MacKenzie's latest list). It is conceivable if not likely that his name will still on the board at pick 18. To my mind, drafting this player at this spot would be a worthwhile gamble. According to Button and MacKenzie, Eiserman is the "best pure goal scorer" in the draft (and this includes Demidov and Celebrini). His floor seems to be Alex Debrincat or slightly better (a one dimensional, first-line scoring winger/ powerplay specialist). You can easily project this player as someone who routinely scores 40 goals/year). I do see value in Eiserman and believe spending a late first to fill this role might be a good idea. With good coaching and some maturity, Eiserman could still grow into something more. Bedard is so good already, I believe he will turn his linemates into great players. he can score em, but we have Bedard to rip em home on the pp already. we need guys who can get him the puck despite the opposition knowing that is what we going to try to do. I don't see Eiserman being the pick with him being so one dimensional.
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