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2024 Draft
Jun 27, 2024 18:11:19 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Jun 27, 2024 18:11:19 GMT -6
I highly highly recommend you fellas listen to yesterday’s CHGO podcast. JayZ interviews Craig Button. And to hear what he has to say is along the same lines of ER.
He also said that Buium and Parekh would be a better pick than Levshunov. He brings up a lot of examples. It’s worth a listen!!!
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 27, 2024 18:38:04 GMT -6
I posted a couple days ago that I'm trying to like the idea of drafting Levshunov because it seems more probable than not he will be the guy KD selects - and I don't want to begin the "Levshunov era" with a feeling of disappointment. So, I've watched more podcasts where Levshunov is discussed and more "all shifts" and game tapes of him. My takeaways are that he is genuinely the "nicest guy ever" - people rave about what an outgoing great guy he is - everyone loves him and thinks his infectious personality will be great for a team's locker room. But then I watch him play and - I wish it weren't so - but he is no where as good as his hype. While it is generally true that due to the longer development time required by most d-men to reach their potential - it is more difficult to project a 17/18 year old d-man's potential than it is to project a 17/18 yea old forward's potential. STILL - I watch Levshunov play and see him make more physical and mental errors than good plays. Unless he dramatically improves every aspect of his game (with the exception of skating) I can't see him ever becoming a top-pairing d-man, let alone the true #1 d-man that would be the only reason to select him over Demidov. Sometimes we see what we want to see That could be true ... but when I watch him make a bad play - it isn't an anti-Levshunov filter changing a good play into what I perceive to be a bad play - it's a bad play. Now there's no doubt that many of my viewings of him were looking for bad plays - but there's also no doubt many of them leapt off the screen at me and didn't require a special lens for them to be clear.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 27, 2024 18:52:18 GMT -6
I highly highly recommend you fellas listen to yesterday’s CHGO podcast. JayZ interviews Craig Button. And to hear what he has to say is along the same lines of ER. He also said that Buium and Parekh would be a better pick than Levshunov. He brings up a lot of examples. It’s worth a listen!!! Yeah I saw it. I don't think Button is the best talent evaluator out there because he seems to revel in hyperbole a little more than I like - but that doesn't mean he isn't right a lot of the time. If we weren't so LD heavy with really only Rinzel on the right - I would he happier with Buium than any of the other d-men in the draft. I was very high on Parekh for a while but then got turned off on him with his play down the stretch and in the playoffs - he had a "me" player attitude more than I noticed earlier. Levshunov has a big size advantage over Buium (around 25 pounds) but Buium is far and away a better defensive d-man and his offense is at least as good as Levshunov. If the pick is Levshunov - I hope he goes back to MSU for another season because he needs to work on a lot of things and I would rather he do that in college than here because I don't want his Hawks career to get off to a rocky start and I fear it would is he's thrown into the NHL next season. Of maybe the AHL is a good option?
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Post by vadarx on Jun 27, 2024 19:05:29 GMT -6
I highly highly recommend you fellas listen to yesterday’s CHGO podcast. JayZ interviews Craig Button. And to hear what he has to say is along the same lines of ER. He also said that Buium and Parekh would be a better pick than Levshunov. He brings up a lot of examples. It’s worth a listen!!! Yeah I saw it. I don't think Button is the best talent evaluator out there because he seems to revel in hyperbole a little more than I like - but that doesn't mean he isn't right a lot of the time. If we weren't so LD heavy with really only Rinzel on the right - I would he happier with Buium than any of the other d-men in the draft. I was very high on Parekh for a while but then got turned off on him with his play down the stretch and in the playoffs - he had a "me" player attitude more than I noticed earlier. Levshunov has a big size advantage over Buium (around 25 pounds) but Buium is far and away a better defensive d-man and his offense is at least as good as Levshunov. If the pick is Levshunov - I hope he goes back to MSU for another season because he needs to work on a lot of things and I would rather he do that in college than here because I don't want his Hawks career to get off to a rocky start and I fear it would is he's thrown into the NHL next season. Of maybe the AHL is a good option? if he leaves sharty, he plays in Rockford imo.
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 27, 2024 19:30:59 GMT -6
Yeah I saw it. I don't think Button is the best talent evaluator out there because he seems to revel in hyperbole a little more than I like - but that doesn't mean he isn't right a lot of the time. If we weren't so LD heavy with really only Rinzel on the right - I would he happier with Buium than any of the other d-men in the draft. I was very high on Parekh for a while but then got turned off on him with his play down the stretch and in the playoffs - he had a "me" player attitude more than I noticed earlier. Levshunov has a big size advantage over Buium (around 25 pounds) but Buium is far and away a better defensive d-man and his offense is at least as good as Levshunov. If the pick is Levshunov - I hope he goes back to MSU for another season because he needs to work on a lot of things and I would rather he do that in college than here because I don't want his Hawks career to get off to a rocky start and I fear it would is he's thrown into the NHL next season. Of maybe the AHL is a good option? if he leaves sharty, he plays in Rockford imo. Yeah if he is picked he is not going to the big club. As ER points out lots of work there. Would like to see him in Rockford where they could work closer with him. Dont think you really go wrong with any of the 4 choices less than 24 hours hurray
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 27, 2024 19:50:41 GMT -6
TSN aired Bob MacKenzie's final ranking tonight, he picked Demidov to go second and it has him listed at 6-0½ 192lbs. That's a nice growth spurt.
Levshunov is listed at 6-1¾ 205lbs.
We'll soon find out if they chose a forward or dman, either one will be the best available at their position.
At 18 he has Greentree, 6-2½ 215. Hage at 24,
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Post by vadarx on Jun 27, 2024 20:58:40 GMT -6
seems like more mocks recently with Demidov being the pick vs Levshunov. less than 24 hours until we find out!
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Post by ebonyraptor on Jun 27, 2024 20:59:39 GMT -6
if he leaves sharty, he plays in Rockford imo. Yeah if he is picked he is not going to the big club. As ER points out lots of work there. Would like to see him in Rockford where they could work closer with him. Dont think you really go wrong with any of the 4 choices less than 24 hours hurray YAY!
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Post by BigT on Jun 27, 2024 21:42:36 GMT -6
seems like more mocks recently with Demidov being the pick vs Levshunov. less than 24 hours until we find out! I have not seen one time in the last month, Demidov ranked lower than 4. I’ve seen Levy ranked as low as 8. Button has him at 7. I’m not saying Kyle has to do what the fans want. Because if you listen to the fans, you’ll soon be sitting with them. But Craig Button said that the Hawks have a well stocked defense cupboard and he sees no forward that could be a difference maker. He believes the Hawks take Demi. He also brought up Demidov not playing against the toughest of competition. He also brought up Cale Makar. Got drafted outta the AJHL. He was basically playing a full step down from the CHL. But it doesn’t matter if you’re that good. He also brought up Marty Lapointe who’s on the Habs staff. He said last year that it was too risky taking Mishkov. And they’ll pay for it. Now they want Demidov. Jays said that 2-3 teams have called the Hawks to move up. Apparently they said nay!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 27, 2024 22:01:18 GMT -6
seems like more mocks recently with Demidov being the pick vs Levshunov. less than 24 hours until we find out! I have not seen one time in the last month, Demidov ranked lower than 4. I’ve seen Levy ranked as low as 8. Button has him at 7. I’m not saying Kyle has to do what the fans want. Because if you listen to the fans, you’ll soon be sitting with them. But Craig Button said that the Hawks have a well stocked defense cupboard and he sees no forward that could be a difference maker. He believes the Hawks take Demi. He also brought up Demidov not playing against the toughest of competition. He also brought up Cale Makar. Got drafted outta the AJHL. He was basically playing a full step down from the CHL. But it doesn’t matter if you’re that good. He also brought up Marty Lapointe who’s on the Habs staff. He said last year that it was too risky taking Mishkov. And they’ll pay for it. Now they want Demidov. Jays said that 2-3 teams have called the Hawks to move up. Apparently they said nay!!! I've heard that too about teams inquiring about #2 and the Hawks saying they're keeping it, teams might make bigger offers when the clock starts.
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Post by mvr on Jun 28, 2024 4:49:15 GMT -6
Trade down and add more assets.
Along with the scoring winger, there are six high-end defencemen and one excellent centre prospect available high. Unlike other drafts, the scouts don't have any clear consensus who is the best choice.
Why pretend we can predict the future? A solid lottery ticket will be there between pick 3-9. Given the right return, I would be equally happy with Levshunov, Demidov, Silayev, Yakemchuk, Buium, Dickinson, Parekh or Lidstrom.
The wisest is the one who recognizes when he does not know and acts accordingly.
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Post by ukhawk on Jun 28, 2024 4:51:50 GMT -6
Trade down and add more assets. Along with the scoring winger, there are six high-end defencemen and one excellent centre prospect available high. Unlike other drafts, the scouts don't have any clear consensus who is the best choice. Why pretend we can predict the future? A solid lottery ticket will be there between pick 3-9. Given the right return, I would be equally happy with Levshunov, Demidov, Silayav, Yakemchuk, Buium, Dickinson, Parekh or Lidstrom. The wisest is the one who recognizes when he does not know and acts accordingly. Exactly this. Hopefully when they are on the clock teams will react.
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Post by mvr on Jun 28, 2024 5:02:17 GMT -6
Quinn Hughes, this year's Norris Trophy winner, was drafted 7th in 2018.
Six teams picked above Vancouver. They all knew about Hughes (as we did), but they all thought they were making a better selection.
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Post by mvr on Jun 28, 2024 5:12:56 GMT -6
The big talk that year for the Hawks at pick 8 was a power forward named Oliver Wahlstrom.
I was hoping the Hawks picked Noah Dobson. Others wanted Evan Bouchard. Bowman instead picked Adam Boqvist.
The Islanders scored big with one of their picks but largely failed with the other. The Hawks gambled on the player with the highest ceiling. It did not work out.
Trading down would have made sense in this draft and in most others.
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Post by T-man2010 on Jun 28, 2024 5:33:14 GMT -6
Like I said way back when this thread started that no matter who the Hawks take, someone will say "Should have taken the other guy".
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Post by mvr on Jun 28, 2024 5:34:29 GMT -6
In the Quinn Hughes draft, there were three players rated in the top tier after the consensus top guy Dahlin: Svechnikov, Tkachuk and Zadina.
Both Montreal (picking 3 - Kotkaniemi) and Arizona (Hayton: pick 5) went off the boards and chose their guy early.
The hubris of all these scouts and general managers was on full display that year, like most others.
They don't know, but they think they do. The player who fell to pick 7 was the best choice.
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Post by mvr on Jun 28, 2024 5:52:49 GMT -6
seems like more mocks recently with Demidov being the pick vs Levshunov. less than 24 hours until we find out! I have not seen one time in the last month, Demidov ranked lower than 4. I’ve seen Levy ranked as low as 8. Button has him at 7. I’m not saying Kyle has to do what the fans want. Because if you listen to the fans, you’ll soon be sitting with them. But Craig Button said that the Hawks have a well stocked defense cupboard and he sees no forward that could be a difference maker. He believes the Hawks take Demi. He also brought up Demidov not playing against the toughest of competition. He also brought up Cale Makar. Got drafted outta the AJHL. He was basically playing a full step down from the CHL. But it doesn’t matter if you’re that good. He also brought up Marty Lapointe who’s on the Habs staff. He said last year that it was too risky taking Mishkov. And they’ll pay for it. Now they want Demidov. Jays said that 2-3 teams have called the Hawks to move up. Apparently they said nay!!! In any given draft, there is always a strong bias towards the scorers and in particular the high ceiling types. Button ranks scorers and offence-first defenders much higher than most. His role as a commentator is to provoke discussion - he is looking to hit a home run, and he is accountable to nobody.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 28, 2024 6:39:21 GMT -6
Trade down and add more assets. Along with the scoring winger, there are six high-end defencemen and one excellent centre prospect available high. Unlike other drafts, the scouts don't have any clear consensus who is the best choice. Why pretend we can predict the future? A solid lottery ticket will be there between pick 3-9. Given the right return, I would be equally happy with Levshunov, Demidov, Silayev, Yakemchuk, Buium, Dickinson, Parekh or Lidstrom. The wisest is the one who recognizes when he does not know and acts accordingly. If KD does trade down it was smart saying he's keeping the pic, let teams fight over the #2 when the clock starts with SJ.
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Post by squishy24 on Jun 28, 2024 6:48:12 GMT -6
Trade down and add more assets. Along with the scoring winger, there are six high-end defencemen and one excellent centre prospect available high. Unlike other drafts, the scouts don't have any clear consensus who is the best choice. Why pretend we can predict the future? A solid lottery ticket will be there between pick 3-9. Given the right return, I would be equally happy with Levshunov, Demidov, Silayev, Yakemchuk, Buium, Dickinson, Parekh or Lidstrom. The wisest is the one who recognizes when he does not know and acts accordingly. I agree with what youre saying here, but trading down for the sake of trading down isnt as easy as it sounds. Im sure the next 7-8 teams after the Hawks knows the same thing and might be inclined to keep their position and assets. I do wonder though, if the Hawks already traded the #2 at this moment or hours before the draft, would Bettman suggest to keep it a secret and announce it minutes before the pick? For the show
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Post by vadarx on Jun 28, 2024 6:56:40 GMT -6
lol... Lazerus with an article this morning saying the 'hawks owe it to Bedard to draft Demidov.
we will find out if they agree in about 10.5 hours.
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Post by BigT on Jun 28, 2024 8:22:05 GMT -6
I have not seen one time in the last month, Demidov ranked lower than 4. I’ve seen Levy ranked as low as 8. Button has him at 7. I’m not saying Kyle has to do what the fans want. Because if you listen to the fans, you’ll soon be sitting with them. But Craig Button said that the Hawks have a well stocked defense cupboard and he sees no forward that could be a difference maker. He believes the Hawks take Demi. He also brought up Demidov not playing against the toughest of competition. He also brought up Cale Makar. Got drafted outta the AJHL. He was basically playing a full step down from the CHL. But it doesn’t matter if you’re that good. He also brought up Marty Lapointe who’s on the Habs staff. He said last year that it was too risky taking Mishkov. And they’ll pay for it. Now they want Demidov. Jays said that 2-3 teams have called the Hawks to move up. Apparently they said nay!!! In any given draft, there is always a strong bias towards the scorers and in particular the high ceiling types. Button ranks scorers and offence-first defenders much higher than most. His role as a commentator is to provoke discussion - he is looking to hit a home run, and he is accountable to nobody. I agree Button invokes conversation. But is that a bad thing? He’s been scouting and involved in hockey for 35 years now. He does know a thing or two. He admits when he’s wrong. That’s why I said the fine folks on here should listen to CHGO pod from Wednesday when Button was on. He brings up a lot of valid points. Even with Parekh. He says. Sure everyone questions his defense. And rightfully so. But everyone did the same with Erik Karlsson. And still do. But he’s got 2 Norris trophies. And will more than likely make the HOF. He brought up Zeev Buium as a Niedermayer type. Just an awesome all around dman. He said Levshunov is like a Seabrook type but with less physicality. Basically more of a stay at home type. But can chip in on the offense. If the Hawks did not have many D in the pipeline. I would be all for Levshunov. All for him. But OTH brought up a valid point the other day that even Allan and EDM have played their off side and are actually pretty good with it. Plus Seth and Rinzel, I’m not worried about defense at this point. I fully understand the “team” concept. But if you can’t score, you cannot win. Whether you or me don’t like that, it’s a fact. Bedard wasn’t drafted to be a two way player. If he picks up some of that, cool. The kid is an offensive dynamo. Why try to make him something he’s not? There’s guys like Slaggert that’ll forget about the offense and hunt you down without mercy on the back check and in the D zone. There’s guys for that. Demidov is supposed to be a guy that plays defense more than the average skilled player. I just think Levshunov will be a mistake of all mistakes and will push back the rebuild. Bedard pushed it forward, and Levshunov will push her back. He’ll return to college then come up. He will struggle for a couple years and I believe eventually get traded as the Hawks won’t have time to waste on a defensive version of Rychel!!!
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Post by bigbarn27 on Jun 28, 2024 9:30:52 GMT -6
OK boys about 8 hours away time to pick your player. For me I have went back and forth for the last week. I want to pick Artie just because of ER and BigTs hate on him. I believe he has the highest ceiling of a Dman in the draft. Artie was very physical and aggressive offensively early in the season. I believe his game became more bland because thats what they wanted from him once they knew they could compete for a title he played insane min down the stretch always against other teams top line something Kor never saw his whole time in Seatle.So I am an Artie guy with that being said the chance to get another line driver besides the Becan of hope is just to great everything I have read says line driver there just are not many that come along. Moore I think NHL player maybe good one but not line driver. So my vote is for team Ivan would like to see everyone elses just for shits and giggles. i usually go with the safest pick but if KD is sure he can get him here at end of year I say bring on Ivan the great
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Post by mvr on Jun 28, 2024 9:53:18 GMT -6
Trade down and add more assets. Along with the scoring winger, there are six high-end defencemen and one excellent centre prospect available high. Unlike other drafts, the scouts don't have any clear consensus who is the best choice. Why pretend we can predict the future? A solid lottery ticket will be there between pick 3-9. Given the right return, I would be equally happy with Levshunov, Demidov, Silayev, Yakemchuk, Buium, Dickinson, Parekh or Lidstrom. The wisest is the one who recognizes when he does not know and acts accordingly. I agree with what youre saying here, but trading down for the sake of trading down isnt as easy as it sounds. Im sure the next 7-8 teams after the Hawks knows the same thing and might be inclined to keep their position and assets. I do wonder though, if the Hawks already traded the #2 at this moment or hours before the draft, would Bettman suggest to keep it a secret and announce it minutes before the pick? For the show I believe a trade can be made. There are always big-ego general managers/amateur scouting directors who think they are smarter than everyone else. There always are owners who want to make a big splash to generate fan enthusiasm. Depending on the return, I would be happy with any trade-down scenario up to pick 8-10. I would take my chances, confident in the understanding that the player(s) left might turn out to be just as good as any of the ones picked before and the additional acquired assets would help with the rebuild. The real questions here: Is Davidson a big ego guy who thinks he and his scouts can identify the "best available" in a draft year with so little consensus? Does Danny Wirtz want to make the big splash by drafting the 2nd overall?
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Post by BigT on Jun 28, 2024 9:55:51 GMT -6
My vote is for Cayden Lindstrom. However I know that’s probably not realistic. So out of the Bella and the Russian. I would take the Russian just out of team needs. The D is almost set. They can draft a Dman next year or with pick 18 if needed. Hawks more than likely won’t pick this high again. So gotta believe they’ll take a player they won’t have access too much again!!!
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Post by BigT on Jun 28, 2024 9:57:52 GMT -6
I agree with what youre saying here, but trading down for the sake of trading down isnt as easy as it sounds. Im sure the next 7-8 teams after the Hawks knows the same thing and might be inclined to keep their position and assets. I do wonder though, if the Hawks already traded the #2 at this moment or hours before the draft, would Bettman suggest to keep it a secret and announce it minutes before the pick? For the show I believe a trade can be made. There are always big-ego general managers/amateur scouting directors who think they are smarter than everyone else. There always are owners who want to make a big splash to generate fan enthusiasm. Depending on the return, I would be happy with any trade-down scenario up to pick 8-10. I would take my chances with whatever is left, confident in the understanding that the player(s) left might turn out to be just as good as any of the ones picked before and the additional acquired assets would help with the rebuild. The real questions here: Is Davidson a big ego guy who thinks he and his scouts can identify the "best available" in a draft year with so little consensus? Does Danny Wirtz want to make the big splash by drafting the 2nd overall? I just heard Pierre Lebrun say that Philly offered Columbus this years 1st, 2025 1st, and a roster player for pick 4. So there are teams trying to move up!!!
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Post by mvr on Jun 28, 2024 10:07:12 GMT -6
My belief is that one of Lindstrom, Parekh, or Yakemchuk will be available at pick 9. I am good with any of these three. If all three are gone, I would also be happy with Dickinson, Buium, or Silayev.
Other than Celebrini, the only two who would certainly be gone are Levshunov and Demidov. Are we really sure either would be better long term than the names listed above?
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Post by ukhawk on Jun 28, 2024 10:30:08 GMT -6
1) I would like Demidov to take some pressure from Bedard and be a crowd pleaser. 2) I would also like Lindstrom for that big bodied L2C adding some much needed offensive size. 3) I would like Levshunov to fill the RHD, hopefully becoming a 1D.
Either way, I'll be cheering for whoever pulls on that sweater
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Post by mvr on Jun 28, 2024 10:44:12 GMT -6
Bob Murray and Dale Tallon did not like what they were seeing with pick 4 in the 1999 draft. The Sedins were the consensus top two picks that year, and the remaining choices came down to Pavel Brendl and Patrick Stepan.
The Hawks wisely decided to trade the pick. They added Vancouver's first round pick in one of the next two drafts, along with Bryan McCabe, an emerging top pairing defenceman. Unfortunately, Mike Smith squandered the gift he had been handed by the previous management team.
When there is this much uncertainty at the top of the draft, trading down or out of the first round almost always is the best decision.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 28, 2024 10:51:07 GMT -6
I believe a trade can be made. There are always big-ego general managers/amateur scouting directors who think they are smarter than everyone else. There always are owners who want to make a big splash to generate fan enthusiasm. Depending on the return, I would be happy with any trade-down scenario up to pick 8-10. I would take my chances with whatever is left, confident in the understanding that the player(s) left might turn out to be just as good as any of the ones picked before and the additional acquired assets would help with the rebuild. The real questions here: Is Davidson a big ego guy who thinks he and his scouts can identify the "best available" in a draft year with so little consensus? Does Danny Wirtz want to make the big splash by drafting the 2nd overall? I just heard Pierre Lebrun say that Philly offered Columbus this years 1st, 2025 1st, and a roster player for pick 4. So there are teams trying to move up!!! MacKenzie also mentioned that there's a lot of teams trying to move up. Let's hope KD gets an offer he can't refuse.
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Post by BigT on Jun 28, 2024 11:10:34 GMT -6
I just heard Pierre Lebrun say that Philly offered Columbus this years 1st, 2025 1st, and a roster player for pick 4. So there are teams trying to move up!!! MacKenzie also mentioned that there's a lot of teams trying to move up. Let's hope KD gets an offer he can't refuse. Typically, I don’t like to move down unless you’re in the late 1st and you pick up a couple good 2nds. This draft seems all over the place. Kinda like Dachs draft year in 2019. I feel you could get another good player a few slots down. I read a while back that the Habs were said to offer picks 5, 26 and Owen Beck. I would do that. I’d also try and trade pick 18 and 26 to move up. Philly is looking to wheel and deal. And I’m sure more are too. Some scenario like that would be welcomed!!!
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