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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 8, 2024 17:15:44 GMT -6
I gotcha. I gotta disagree with ya pretty strongly on Celebrini, though. that kid is a center all day long. much more so than Bedard. Levshunov is not an elite skater, but he isn't awful by any stretch. but, as we all know, the brass seem to be very taken with the idea of skating being the be all/end all, so I'd imagine Parekh is flying up the board and will only continue to do so if he has a strong playoff/Memorial Cup run. which works for me! Question for all what happens if Saginaw wins the OHL tourney? Gotta see the kid play so ill through down on the second round of playoffs Maybe I'm not understanding the spirit of the question but the literal answer is Saginaw would then be in the Memorial Cup "final four" meaning more games to watch Saginaw and Parekh. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 8, 2024 17:45:30 GMT -6
Question for all what happens if Saginaw wins the OHL tourney? Gotta see the kid play so ill through down on the second round of playoffs Maybe I'm not understanding the spirit of the question but the literal answer is Saginaw would then be in the Memorial Cup "final four" meaning more games to watch Saginaw and Parekh. as the host, Saginaw is already one of the four teams this spring. I believe the question is: who reps the OHL at the Memorial Cup then? |
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Post by tincup on Apr 8, 2024 18:47:19 GMT -6
Maybe I'm not understanding the spirit of the question but the literal answer is Saginaw would then be in the Memorial Cup "final four" meaning more games to watch Saginaw and Parekh. as the host, Saginaw is already one of the four teams this spring. I believe the question is: who reps the OHL at the Memorial Cup then? Saginaw is in as the host, what if they also were the OHL champs? Who becomes the fourth team, the other OHL finalist? |
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Post by BigT on Apr 9, 2024 5:03:38 GMT -6
The Devils officially out of the playoffs. The Hawks team looking eerily similar to that team. Devils got Bahl, Hawks got Vlasic. They got Hughes, Hawks got Bedard. They’ve got Hischer, Hawks got Reichel. They’re very very similar. I’m not saying I wouldn’t take Celebrini. What I’m say is the Hawks more than likely won’t get the 1st overall. I would actually bet on it. What I’m seeing is 3-5. Hawks more than likely get 2nd worst. So I’d say it’s safe to say Hawks get pick 2-4. According to this, they have a 70% chance to get pick 3-4 if they finish 2nd worst. www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_oddsSo I’m more looking at it realistically here instead of hanging on to hope. I would have to think my two guys are either Parekh or Lindstrom. Both offensively gifted and both have very good skating. Especially Parekh. His skating is known as elite. Lindstrom is about 6’4”. His skating isn’t bad per se. But he’s huge and is about average for now. Once he gets comfy with his body, you’ll see him break out. Like I said. There’s a couple of Russo dmen I think I stay away from. I get that Levshunov kid is compared to Petrangelo. But I’m not sold on him for some reason. I think the Hawks have the size thing down. Just need that #1 dman that produces a shit ton of points. Maybe Korchinski is that guy. It’s definitely possible. But why not go with a kid that broke the OHL record for 16 year old dmen scoring? Then followed that up with a 96 point 33 goal campaign as a 17 year old? That’s my thoughts. I think Parekh with his skating can jump into the NHL after another year of Jrs. Let him go back and play for team Canada, just like Korchinski. By then, Korchinski will be on his 3rd year and Parekh could come in and be paired with him!!! I think we all agree with you that the likelihood of getting Celebrini is very low. my only disagreement there is on your opinion of him. I agree that not getting #1 could end up being a blessing BUT it also means not getting the top center that we will need down the road, because we almost will have to take a d-man where we end up picking as that is where the value will be. I would add that I believe Lindstrom is more likely to be a power forward/wing vs a center. maybe he ends up a Draisaitl type that switches back and forth, depending on the matchup? could happen, but I'm not so sure. it feels to me like a defenseman is all but assured with our first pick (unless we get 1oa). I'm honestly more interested in what KfC does with the other pick now. trading up and grabbing another top 10 guy would be my preference, but I'm also waiting to see who drops. I can’t say you’re wrong. I believe we already have a couple guys in the wings that are the exact same size like Celebrini. Which would mean that Hawks would more than likely trade one of the NCAA kids to get size. And the sad thing is, they they’ll get fleeced in a deal because they’ll need size bad. That’s exactly what NJ is looking like. Small with some size on the back end. We have Seth, they have Hamilton, we have Vlasic, they have Bahl, Bedard/Hughes, Reichel/Hischer, Nazar/Bratt etc. They haven’t made a trade yet to get size. Well, they kinda did with Meier. But he’s not the answer either. And they had to give up a lot for a rental. Now they have him for 8 years. I would a waited and signed him free agent. Wouldn’t have made a difference. Anyways. I’d like to see some more size with skill from the first round. Those guys take a bit longer sometimes, so better to start now!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 9, 2024 13:41:22 GMT -6
I think we all agree with you that the likelihood of getting Celebrini is very low. my only disagreement there is on your opinion of him. I agree that not getting #1 could end up being a blessing BUT it also means not getting the top center that we will need down the road, because we almost will have to take a d-man where we end up picking as that is where the value will be. I would add that I believe Lindstrom is more likely to be a power forward/wing vs a center. maybe he ends up a Draisaitl type that switches back and forth, depending on the matchup? could happen, but I'm not so sure. it feels to me like a defenseman is all but assured with our first pick (unless we get 1oa). I'm honestly more interested in what KfC does with the other pick now. trading up and grabbing another top 10 guy would be my preference, but I'm also waiting to see who drops. I can’t say you’re wrong. I believe we already have a couple guys in the wings that are the exact same size like Celebrini. Which would mean that Hawks would more than likely trade one of the NCAA kids to get size. And the sad thing is, they they’ll get fleeced in a deal because they’ll need size bad. That’s exactly what NJ is looking like. Small with some size on the back end. We have Seth, they have Hamilton, we have Vlasic, they have Bahl, Bedard/Hughes, Reichel/Hischer, Nazar/Bratt etc. They haven’t made a trade yet to get size. Well, they kinda did with Meier. But he’s not the answer either. And they had to give up a lot for a rental. Now they have him for 8 years. I would a waited and signed him free agent. Wouldn’t have made a difference. Anyways. I’d like to see some more size with skill from the first round. Those guys take a bit longer sometimes, so better to start now!!! I share your concern regarding us acquiring some beef for the forward group, I'm just not sure we've arrived to the point where we can draft for need vs best player available. I think by the 2025 draft we will have (hopefully) reached that point. this year, I believe we have enough needs all over the lineup that we should take the best player we can get for whatever position. if we drop to 4 or 5 and Lindstrom is that player, I'm down for it. I expect there to be a big run on dmen after Celebrini gets his picture taken with his new team. luckily for us, there are some good/great options at the top of the draft board that not only will be a bpa type, but also a need filling type. @ 1oa, we get the center we need. @ 2-4, we can get either a RHD or the power forward (and maybe center) we need. the questions are going to be, imo anyway, which of these players do the 'hawks think is the bpa and do they actually take that player vs the "safest" player. Parekh almost surely has a higher ceiling than Levshunov, but Levshunov is likely the safer pick (ie, more likely to contribute to a NHL team in the future). this debate will be a lot more fun once the draft order is set. here's hoping the bolts fizzle out in the first round once again! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 9, 2024 23:40:50 GMT -6
It's nice to see Anaheim win over LA, they're now 6pts ahead of Chicago.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 10, 2024 0:46:09 GMT -6
Maybe I'm not understanding the spirit of the question but the literal answer is Saginaw would then be in the Memorial Cup "final four" meaning more games to watch Saginaw and Parekh. as the host, Saginaw is already one of the four teams this spring. I believe the question is: who reps the OHL at the Memorial Cup then? I should know this because the question comes up every year the host advances past the 1st round - but I don't remember. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 10, 2024 1:05:02 GMT -6
The Devils officially out of the playoffs. The Hawks team looking eerily similar to that team. Devils got Bahl, Hawks got Vlasic. They got Hughes, Hawks got Bedard. They’ve got Hischer, Hawks got Reichel. They’re very very similar. I’m not saying I wouldn’t take Celebrini. What I’m say is the Hawks more than likely won’t get the 1st overall. I would actually bet on it. What I’m seeing is 3-5. Hawks more than likely get 2nd worst. So I’d say it’s safe to say Hawks get pick 2-4. According to this, they have a 70% chance to get pick 3-4 if they finish 2nd worst. www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_oddsSo I’m more looking at it realistically here instead of hanging on to hope. I would have to think my two guys are either Parekh or Lindstrom. Both offensively gifted and both have very good skating. Especially Parekh. His skating is known as elite. Lindstrom is about 6’4”. His skating isn’t bad per se. But he’s huge and is about average for now. Once he gets comfy with his body, you’ll see him break out. Like I said. There’s a couple of Russo dmen I think I stay away from. I get that Levshunov kid is compared to Petrangelo. But I’m not sold on him for some reason. I think the Hawks have the size thing down. Just need that #1 dman that produces a shit ton of points. Maybe Korchinski is that guy. It’s definitely possible. But why not go with a kid that broke the OHL record for 16 year old dmen scoring? Then followed that up with a 96 point 33 goal campaign as a 17 year old? That’s my thoughts. I think Parekh with his skating can jump into the NHL after another year of Jrs. Let him go back and play for team Canada, just like Korchinski. By then, Korchinski will be on his 3rd year and Parekh could come in and be paired with him!!! I think we all agree with you that the likelihood of getting Celebrini is very low. my only disagreement there is on your opinion of him. I agree that not getting #1 could end up being a blessing BUT it also means not getting the top center that we will need down the road, because we almost will have to take a d-man where we end up picking as that is where the value will be. I would add that I believe Lindstrom is more likely to be a power forward/wing vs a center. maybe he ends up a Draisaitl type that switches back and forth, depending on the matchup? could happen, but I'm not so sure. it feels to me like a defenseman is all but assured with our first pick (unless we get 1oa). I'm honestly more interested in what KfC does with the other pick now. trading up and grabbing another top 10 guy would be my preference, but I'm also waiting to see who drops. No doubt lack of size in the top-6 is a real concern. The obvious choice is to draft Lindstrom but the few times I've watched him play since he returned from injury - he hasn't been impressive. Yeah - short sample size and maybe not quite back to pre-injury effectiveness - but still noteworthy and with M.H. eliminated from the playoffs we won't get to see him play anymore this season. There's an intriguing guy creeping up draft boards into the late 1st round named Dean Letourneau - a 6'6" C/W who played at a small college this season and is a Boston College commit. Let's take Parekh with our 1st pick (probably 2/3/4) and Letourneau with the TB pick. |
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Post by nighbor on Apr 10, 2024 1:29:21 GMT -6
I gotcha. I gotta disagree with ya pretty strongly on Celebrini, though. that kid is a center all day long. much more so than Bedard. Levshunov is not an elite skater, but he isn't awful by any stretch. but, as we all know, the brass seem to be very taken with the idea of skating being the be all/end all, so I'd imagine Parekh is flying up the board and will only continue to do so if he has a strong playoff/Memorial Cup run. which works for me! Question for all what happens if Saginaw wins the OHL tourney? Gotta see the kid play so ill through down on the second round of playoffs The other finalist. I recall last century Hamilton hosted. The team sucked so bad they decided to relinquish their right to participate and the two finalists represented the OHL. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 10, 2024 12:20:50 GMT -6
as the host, Saginaw is already one of the four teams this spring. I believe the question is: who reps the OHL at the Memorial Cup then? I should know this because the question comes up every year the host advances past the 1st round - but I don't remember. The host team automatically goes to the Memorial Cup. In 2017 my Spitfires got ousted in the first round, which was embarrassing to say the least. However, they won the Memorial Cup and beat Erie in the final game. It was a weird way to win. It was also hard to keep the team interested for almost 2 months. Usually teams like that bow out early. To not play a real competitive game for that long is mind boggling, and then get to play the top teams in the country is like kicking water uphill. Head Coach Rocky Thompson got a head coaching gig shortly after to coach Rockford. He’s now an assistant with Philly. Anyways. We’ll get to see Parekh no matter what. Saginaw is the host team, so he’s in. As for me, I’m gonna make the 75 minute drive to catch a game or two!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 10, 2024 15:51:07 GMT -6
I think we all agree with you that the likelihood of getting Celebrini is very low. my only disagreement there is on your opinion of him. I agree that not getting #1 could end up being a blessing BUT it also means not getting the top center that we will need down the road, because we almost will have to take a d-man where we end up picking as that is where the value will be. I would add that I believe Lindstrom is more likely to be a power forward/wing vs a center. maybe he ends up a Draisaitl type that switches back and forth, depending on the matchup? could happen, but I'm not so sure. it feels to me like a defenseman is all but assured with our first pick (unless we get 1oa). I'm honestly more interested in what KfC does with the other pick now. trading up and grabbing another top 10 guy would be my preference, but I'm also waiting to see who drops. No doubt lack of size in the top-6 is a real concern. The obvious choice is to draft Lindstrom but the few times I've watched him play since he returned from injury - he hasn't been impressive. Yeah - short sample size and maybe not quite back to pre-injury effectiveness - but still noteworthy and with M.H. eliminated from the playoffs we won't get to see him play anymore this season. There's an intriguing guy creeping up draft boards into the late 1st round named Dean Letourneau - a 6'6" C/W who played at a small college this season and is a Boston College commit. Let's take Parekh with our 1st pick (probably 2/3/4) and Letourneau with the TB pick. aye, I posted about him on the previous page in this thread. he could be an option later in the first for sure. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 10, 2024 17:27:58 GMT -6
No doubt lack of size in the top-6 is a real concern. The obvious choice is to draft Lindstrom but the few times I've watched him play since he returned from injury - he hasn't been impressive. Yeah - short sample size and maybe not quite back to pre-injury effectiveness - but still noteworthy and with M.H. eliminated from the playoffs we won't get to see him play anymore this season. There's an intriguing guy creeping up draft boards into the late 1st round named Dean Letourneau - a 6'6" C/W who played at a small college this season and is a Boston College commit. Let's take Parekh with our 1st pick (probably 2/3/4) and Letourneau with the TB pick. aye, I posted about him on the previous page in this thread. he could be an option later in the first for sure. Oh - maybe it was your post that first brought my attention to Letourneau - I can't remember where I read stuff. Lucky I remember how to find my way home every time.  |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 12, 2024 0:38:23 GMT -6
San Jose is 4pts behind Chicago with 3gms left, hopefully they can win out and Chicago loses their games, unlikely but nice to think about.
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 12, 2024 5:42:12 GMT -6
3 games left for Tampa and they're still 11th in the league.
I don't see them catching the leafs for 10th.
But they can be caught by Nash and Kings with Vegas lurking close.
Tampa 96 pts. 3 games left
Turds 95 pts. 3
Kings 95 pts. 3
Knights 92 pts. 4 games left.
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Post by Nikos on Apr 12, 2024 7:44:51 GMT -6
3 games left for Tampa and they're still 11th in the league. I don't see them catching the leafs for 10th. But they can be caught by Nash and Kings with Vegas lurking close. Tampa 96 pts. 3 games left Turds 95 pts. 3 Kings 95 pts. 3 Knights 92 pts. 4 games left. This becomes important if they lose in first round, lower the overall league standings better 1st pick for Hawks. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 12, 2024 8:44:19 GMT -6
I’m really hoping this year the KD tries to move up again. We know that last year he was trying to move up to get Moore. Even though it worked out anyways. At least we know he’s trying. Hawks have 3 2nd rounders. Even if they trade Tampas pick and two 2nds for a top ten pick. It may be worth it. I don’t see kids rated in the top ten every year falling to pick 20ish.
I feel that two top ten picks this year really sets up the Hawks for the future really well. Look at KDs first draft. He had zero firsts. Ended up with 3. And all those picks are looking promising now. 2 more won’t hurt!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 12, 2024 9:22:28 GMT -6
Let me understand since I'm a bit slow.
The draft order depends on where a team finishes during the regular season, or by end of playoffs? but #32 is determined by who wins the cup? and not the president winner?
So we need for Tampa to lose out and the other 3 teams win so we get a better pick?
I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!!
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Post by vadarx on Apr 12, 2024 9:25:10 GMT -6
new tidbit out today from Pronman. two prospects with injuries that might be top ten picks: Berkly Catton with "lingering hip issues" and Lindstrom with a back injury (to go along with the broken hand he had nursed back to health this season).
neither are the kind of injury you want when entering the draft. wonder if either drop a bit because of them. Lindstrom shot up boards early in the season, but I wonder now if injury concerns will push him back down...
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Post by vadarx on Apr 12, 2024 9:27:13 GMT -6
Let me understand since I'm a bit slow. The draft order depends on where a team finishes during the regular season, or by end of playoffs? but #32 is determined by who wins the cup? and not the president winner? So we need for Tampa to lose out and the other 3 teams win so we get a better pick? I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!!it depends primarily on where you finish the regular season. I believe the conference finalists get moved to the bottom four, regardless of regular season record. tb falling behind some other teams now would be great, but then they'll need to lose in the first two rounds. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 12, 2024 10:23:36 GMT -6
new tidbit out today from Pronman. two prospects with injuries that might be top ten picks: Berkly Catton with "lingering hip issues" and Lindstrom with a back injury (to go along with the broken hand he had nursed back to health this season). neither are the kind of injury you want when entering the draft. wonder if either drop a bit because of them. Lindstrom shot up boards early in the season, but I wonder now if injury concerns will push him back down... Carton has great numbers. He reminds me of a Cole Perfetti clone. As for Lindstrom. He’s ranked 3rd on a lot of lists. I don’t think he drops that much if at all. But for a long time now. He’s my pick!!! |
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Post by Nikos on Apr 12, 2024 10:24:01 GMT -6
Let me understand since I'm a bit slow. The draft order depends on where a team finishes during the regular season, or by end of playoffs? but #32 is determined by who wins the cup? and not the president winner? So we need for Tampa to lose out and the other 3 teams win so we get a better pick? I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!!it depends primarily on where you finish the regular season. I believe the conference finalists get moved to the bottom four, regardless of regular season record. tb falling behind some other teams now would be great, but then they'll need to lose in the first two rounds. Correct the 4 conference finalists automatically are 29-32. Last year Florida had a lower regular season record than the Bolts. But since they made finals, the Bolts pick went higher. Hope that is not confusing. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Apr 12, 2024 17:41:28 GMT -6
If Chicago gets the #1 pick again that'll be their 2 times allowed in a 5yr span, the Oiler rule. So they wouldn't be eligible till 2028.
But if they're lucky and get Celebrini, they won't be anywhere near contention for the #1 pick.
And it's been talked about that not getting Celebrini could be a blessing, the top 5 will be an impact player and really help the franchise.
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Post by vadarx on Apr 12, 2024 22:56:55 GMT -6
If Chicago gets the #1 pick again that'll be their 2 times allowed in a 5yr span, the Oiler rule. So they wouldn't be eligible till 2028. But if they're lucky and get Celebrini, they won't be anywhere near contention for the #1 pick. And it's been talked about that not getting Celebrini could be a blessing, the top 5 will be an impact player and really help the franchise. doesn't that rule also apply if we draw second overall as well? |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 13, 2024 0:14:50 GMT -6
tonight's loss all but clinches the second best odds for the top pick and also means the 'hawks will pick in the top 4, at worst.
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Post by BigT on Apr 13, 2024 10:34:09 GMT -6
If Chicago gets the #1 pick again that'll be their 2 times allowed in a 5yr span, the Oiler rule. So they wouldn't be eligible till 2028. But if they're lucky and get Celebrini, they won't be anywhere near contention for the #1 pick. And it's been talked about that not getting Celebrini could be a blessing, the top 5 will be an impact player and really help the franchise. doesn't that rule also apply if we draw second overall as well? No, it’s just the number 1 overall. Only allowed 2 in a 5 year span. So in theory you could get 2nd overall 5 years in a row. When Montreal got the top pick. It was a no brainer as NJ wasn’t allowed to get the top pick again. So why all the drama? If the Hawks get Celebrini. I’d like to see them package up some picks and high end prospects for bigger more talented prospects. Just had to happen!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 13, 2024 14:25:46 GMT -6
doesn't that rule also apply if we draw second overall as well? No, it’s just the number 1 overall. Only allowed 2 in a 5 year span. So in theory you could get 2nd overall 5 years in a row. When Montreal got the top pick. It was a no brainer as NJ wasn’t allowed to get the top pick again. So why all the drama? If the Hawks get Celebrini. I’d like to see them package up some picks and high end prospects for bigger more talented prospects. Just had to happen!!! according this, "winning the lottery draw" applies to both drawings, provided i am reading that correctly... |
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Post by 2old4this on Apr 13, 2024 16:35:31 GMT -6
There's an intriguing guy creeping up draft boards into the late 1st round named Dean Letourneau - a 6'6" C/W who played at a small college this season and is a Boston College commit. Let's take Parekh with our 1st pick (probably 2/3/4) and Letourneau with the TB pick. Me like!!! |
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Post by BigT on Apr 13, 2024 17:44:21 GMT -6
No, it’s just the number 1 overall. Only allowed 2 in a 5 year span. So in theory you could get 2nd overall 5 years in a row. When Montreal got the top pick. It was a no brainer as NJ wasn’t allowed to get the top pick again. So why all the drama? If the Hawks get Celebrini. I’d like to see them package up some picks and high end prospects for bigger more talented prospects. Just had to happen!!! according this, "winning the lottery draw" applies to both drawings, provided i am reading that correctly... Let’s say that is the case. The Hawks are still immune to it. 2019 (won the lottery), 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 (won the lottery). That five years is over. However. Winning in 2023 more than likely counts towards winning in the next 4 years. So the Hawks can win 1 more time in the next 4 years. I’ll have to read more on that. I thought it was 2 times getting first overall? Because you can finish last every year and not actually move up. That doesn’t count as a win. You got where you finished. Perfect example. If you finished 8th worst. And get the 8the overall. Did you win? Same goes for last!!! |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Apr 13, 2024 19:41:34 GMT -6
Let’s say that is the case. The Hawks are still immune to it. 2019 (won the lottery), 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 (won the lottery). That five years is over. However. Winning in 2023 more than likely counts towards winning in the next 4 years. So the Hawks can win 1 more time in the next 4 years. I’ll have to read more on that. I thought it was 2 times getting first overall? Because you can finish last every year and not actually move up. That doesn’t count as a win. You got where you finished. Perfect example. If you finished 8th worst. And get the 8the overall. Did you win? Same goes for last!!! So if we finish 2nd and do not win the lottery - the best case would be for 2 teams in the 13-16 slots to win so they can only move up 10 spots which would not affect our position at #2. I think. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 13, 2024 20:14:14 GMT -6
Let’s say that is the case. The Hawks are still immune to it. 2019 (won the lottery), 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 (won the lottery). That five years is over. However. Winning in 2023 more than likely counts towards winning in the next 4 years. So the Hawks can win 1 more time in the next 4 years. I’ll have to read more on that. I thought it was 2 times getting first overall? Because you can finish last every year and not actually move up. That doesn’t count as a win. You got where you finished. Perfect example. If you finished 8th worst. And get the 8the overall. Did you win? Same goes for last!!! So if we finish 2nd and do not win the lottery - the best case would be for 2 teams in the 13-16 slots to win so they can only move up 10 spots which would not affect our position at #2. I think. Here’s tankathon odds etc. if you’re last overall and stay where you are. You didn’t actually win anything. So that’s why I think it’s just the 1st overall 2 times in 5 years. I’ll read up more. We’ll see what it says!!! www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds |
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