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Post by doogiew on Apr 21, 2020 12:30:06 GMT -6
Boqvist, Saad, Chicago's 1st to whoever picks first overall. Lafreniere, and a second. I'd like to keep Saad, but I think cap space would be a benefit. I think I'd do it. We can't afford Panarin so a good left winger for Kane, young and eager to learn. I do think he's that good. Others like Byfield, but I think Lafreniere is the sure thing this draft.
Also what we might look at someone like Brenden Dillon a big possibly cheap Dman. Not a lot of really good ones this year. He does however tick a lot of boxes for the Hawks, to get into the playoffs some big changes are needed.
If the organization is truly wanting to deal Strome? Then does that mean that a player like Entwhistle is ready to fill his fourth line role. Still big I'm not sure he will ever put Strome's future numbers up, Like I said though I belief some larger than life deals need to go down. Keep Seabs, and Duncs. Mostly because they have to.
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Post by Tater on Apr 21, 2020 12:57:52 GMT -6
Boqvist, Saad, Chicago's 1st to whoever picks first overall. Lafreniere, and a second. I'd like to keep Saad, but I think cap space would be a benefit. I think I'd do it. We can't afford Panarin so a good left winger for Kane, young and eager to learn. I do think he's that good. Others like Byfield, but I think Lafreniere is the sure thing this draft. Also what we might look at someone like Brenden Dillon a big possibly cheap Dman. Not a lot of really good ones this year. He does however tick a lot of boxes for the Hawks, to get into the playoffs some big changes are needed. If the organization is truly wanting to deal Strome? Then does that mean that a player like Entwhistle is ready to fill his fourth line role. Still big I'm not sure he will ever put Strome's future numbers up, Like I said though I belief some larger than life deals need to go down. Keep Seabs, and Duncs. Mostly because they have to.
If Strome is jsta fourth line center or they plan for him to be, who fills the other three center spots (besides Toews and Dach)? Dach has some faceoff % issues to work out.
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Post by doogiew on Apr 22, 2020 9:35:57 GMT -6
Boqvist, Saad, Chicago's 1st to whoever picks first overall. Lafreniere, and a second. I'd like to keep Saad, but I think cap space would be a benefit. I think I'd do it. We can't afford Panarin so a good left winger for Kane, young and eager to learn. I do think he's that good. Others like Byfield, but I think Lafreniere is the sure thing this draft. Also what we might look at someone like Brenden Dillon a big possibly cheap Dman. Not a lot of really good ones this year. He does however tick a lot of boxes for the Hawks, to get into the playoffs some big changes are needed. If the organization is truly wanting to deal Strome? Then does that mean that a player like Entwhistle is ready to fill his fourth line role. Still big I'm not sure he will ever put Strome's future numbers up, Like I said though I belief some larger than life deals need to go down. Keep Seabs, and Duncs. Mostly because they have to.
If Strome is jsta fourth line center or they plan for him to be, who fills the other three center spots (besides Toews and Dach)? Dach has some faceoff % issues to work out.
I'm not saying that Strome being traded is a good idea but it sounds as though it could happen and if it does because of the size and skill level that would need to replaced on the bottom two lines Entwhistle is likely the answer at this point. Lets face it No one should want to pay Strome 4 million a season to play third or fourth line center. It was all we heard before trading AA. Dach is the obvious replacement behind Toews whether any of us likes it or not. Kampf is the apparent third line center at this point. There is lots of third fourth line center fillers on the team. I like Strome but there are obviously issues where he is concerned that we are not privy. We need to face facts dumbass (SB) continues to put himself in poor cap positions. Trade bait in my opinion are Strome, Saad and Boqvist. Mitchell will undoubtedly make Boqvist obsolete. Any of these players alone or combined should bring back quality pieces, but again this is in Bowman's hands and he's messed up lots before. He needs to pull the trigger on a big trade and he has lots of time to set it up before the draft. Saad is a piece many were to be interested at the deadline, but teams wouldn't put up the asking price which was likely high the fact he had term left on his contract would have made him worth more than other teams wanted to pay. Regardless I would put any of them together for first or second over all in the draft this year. The top two players this year would fill a lot of holes in the future. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 22, 2020 10:51:44 GMT -6
If Strome is jsta fourth line center or they plan for him to be, who fills the other three center spots (besides Toews and Dach)? Dach has some faceoff % issues to work out.
I'm not saying that Strome being traded is a good idea but it sounds as though it could happen and if it does because of the size and skill level that would need to replaced on the bottom two lines Entwhistle is likely the answer at this point. Lets face it No one should want to pay Strome 4 million a season to play third or fourth line center. It was all we heard before trading AA. Dach is the obvious replacement behind Toews whether any of us likes it or not. Kampf is the apparent third line center at this point. There is lots of third fourth line center fillers on the team. I like Strome but there are obviously issues where he is concerned that we are not privy. We need to face facts dumbass (SB) continues to put himself in poor cap positions. Trade bait in my opinion are Strome, Saad and Boqvist. Mitchell will undoubtedly make Boqvist obsolete. Any of these players alone or combined should bring back quality pieces, but again this is in Bowman's hands and he's messed up lots before. He needs to pull the trigger on a big trade and he has lots of time to set it up before the draft. Saad is a piece many were to be interested at the deadline, but teams wouldn't put up the asking price which was likely high the fact he had term left on his contract would have made him worth more than other teams wanted to pay. Regardless I would put any of them together for first or second over all in the draft this year. The top two players this year would fill a lot of holes in the future. A lot of teams know the Hawks are in a bind cap wise. So why would they give the Hawks a 1st or 2nd for anyone the Hawks offer? Keep saying add Boqvist to a trade but teams read reports, they now know he is undersized, injury prone so his value is a 4th or lower in trade. It will be many years before the Hawks are true contenders again. Regardless of who is GM. |
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Post by cnyfan on Apr 22, 2020 13:55:09 GMT -6
Congratulations to Corey on the birth of his son. Sweet baby!
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Post by hsbob on Apr 22, 2020 18:48:02 GMT -6
Boqvist, Saad, Chicago's 1st to whoever picks first overall. Lafreniere, and a second. I'd like to keep Saad, but I think cap space would be a benefit. I think I'd do it. We can't afford Panarin so a good left winger for Kane, young and eager to learn. I do think he's that good. Others like Byfield, but I think Lafreniere is the sure thing this draft. Also what we might look at someone like Brenden Dillon a big possibly cheap Dman. Not a lot of really good ones this year. He does however tick a lot of boxes for the Hawks, to get into the playoffs some big changes are needed. If the organization is truly wanting to deal Strome? Then does that mean that a player like Entwhistle is ready to fill his fourth line role. Still big I'm not sure he will ever put Strome's future numbers up, Like I said though I belief some larger than life deals need to go down. Keep Seabs, and Duncs. Mostly because they have to.
If Strome is jsta fourth line center or they plan for him to be, who fills the other three center spots (besides Toews and Dach)? Dach has some faceoff % issues to work out.
Strome has 105pts in 164 career games @23 and we both know that's not a 4LC but our coach and GM seem clueless on the issue...…...Carpenter(29) and Kampf(25)have less than 100 career points combined and are both 4LC's at best but our braintrust likes to play both up. Once ya get past ridin' JT like a pack mule,we'll have a 2LC with 8 career goals who gets embarrassed at the dot and the other two who aren't worth mentioning. After a year and a half,it's more apparent than ever that the Chicago Blackhawks FIRED THE WRONG GUY! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 22, 2020 19:20:17 GMT -6
Congratulations to Corey on the birth of his son. Sweet baby! cool. here's his first son....Cooper. which begs the question....why is Cooper wearing CCM pads?  i hope they don't hang those pads on their car's rear view mirror like they used to do with baby shoes. could be a hazard. |
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Post by Tater on Apr 23, 2020 2:41:01 GMT -6
If Strome is jsta fourth line center or they plan for him to be, who fills the other three center spots (besides Toews and Dach)? Dach has some faceoff % issues to work out.
Strome has 105pts in 164 career games @23 and we both know that's not a 4LC but our coach and GM seem clueless on the issue...…...Carpenter(29) and Kampf(25)have less than 100 career points combined and are both 4LC's at best but our braintrust likes to play both up. Once ya get past ridin' JT like a pack mule,we'll have a 2LC with 8 career goals who gets embarrassed at the dot and the other two who aren't worth mentioning. After a year and a half,it's more apparent than ever that the Chicago Blackhawks FIRED THE WRONG GUY! Most definitely. It still seems like he has no plan. |
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Post by doogiew on Apr 23, 2020 6:49:56 GMT -6
Strome has 105pts in 164 career games @23 and we both know that's not a 4LC but our coach and GM seem clueless on the issue...…...Carpenter(29) and Kampf(25)have less than 100 career points combined and are both 4LC's at best but our braintrust likes to play both up. Once ya get past ridin' JT like a pack mule,we'll have a 2LC with 8 career goals who gets embarrassed at the dot and the other two who aren't worth mentioning. After a year and a half,it's more apparent than ever that the Chicago Blackhawks FIRED THE WRONG GUY! Most definitely. It still seems like he has no plan. We all know who keeps dropping the ball each and every time. Trade, after trade, after signing. Kane and Toews are only now worth the 80 million. They will slowly drop off in their games. Well Kaner may not he wants to be the greatest American born player, or something. He just seems to work that hard. Well what is the direction that should be taken? Any team almost needs to build through the draft. I don't know how good of a face off man Kirby might become it's an if and when thing. He will get better it's a matter of how much. The when could be next season the next after. Lets face it Strome had things to learn still when he got here. Dach I believe is more skilled now than Strome other than at the dot Strome was no hero at the dot when he first came up and still isn't 50%. It took Strome until his third season to get to 64 games. So even if Dach takes another season or so to get there, he's still better than Strome. The way I see it anyway if the big kid comes back next season ready to go. Then with the price tag Strome is commanding (in all likelihood), He makes himself disposable on this team. What if Strome wants even more than many of us thinks. After all his wing man Cat is a 6.4 mil. dollar cap hit. He does something Strome doesn't he can put the puck in the net. I'm not defending Bowman in anyway but you can't afford all three centers if Strome is asking to much. It really isn't a matter of what we think or want. Obviously no one can ever imagine what SB will do. He has real holes to fill going forward. The observations I'm making are possibilities the same as anyone else. Maybe Stan completely craps the bed whenever the draft draw is done and get a 1st or 2nd overall. Not friggin likely. So you trade if you're rebuilding on the fly you need to get good players at the draft. Dach lengthened SB's career, and if he gets a top two pick somehow this time it would go a long ways to making him whole again. Bowman has to be more aggressive if he thinks his job is anyway in peril. With this shutdown I think he dodged a bullet. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 23, 2020 17:49:23 GMT -6
Congratulations to Corey on the birth of his son. Sweet baby!  |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 23, 2020 18:25:54 GMT -6
that is awesome. well done, Crow.
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Post by acesandeights on Apr 25, 2020 8:42:36 GMT -6
That's a good picture of Corey and his family. I'm betting my last dollar if they have a third son, his first name will start with a "C'.  |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 25, 2020 9:06:14 GMT -6
I thought the optimists among us would enjoy the title of this article.... blackhawkup.com/2020/04/22/blackhawks-clean-draft-make-playoffs/The article itself isn't as optimistic as the title,it mentions the Hawks have a chance to lose the conditional 3rd round pick that came back for Gus.....the best SB could do was a CONDITIONAL 3rd round pick? Not trading Gus when he still had value(we all knew he'd be further exposed this year.....almost all of us)and trading Joker instead are fire-able offenses for any well run team! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 25, 2020 9:26:11 GMT -6
I thought the optimists among us would enjoy the title of this article.... blackhawkup.com/2020/04/22/blackhawks-clean-draft-make-playoffs/The article itself isn't as optimistic as the title,it mentions the Hawks have a chance to lose the conditional 3rd round pick that came back for Gus.....the best SB could do was a CONDITIONAL 3rd round pick? Not trading Gus when he still had value(we all knew he'd be further exposed this year.....almost all of us)and trading Joker instead are fire-able offenses for any well run team! Again you assume Stan didn't try to trade him. I guess you are privy to his phone calls and know what deals are offered to him or what he offers other teams. Possible he tried to trade him but other teams knew Gus was a 1 hit wonder and were not going to offer the Hawks anything to help them out. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 25, 2020 9:41:41 GMT -6
I thought the optimists among us would enjoy the title of this article.... blackhawkup.com/2020/04/22/blackhawks-clean-draft-make-playoffs/The article itself isn't as optimistic as the title,it mentions the Hawks have a chance to lose the conditional 3rd round pick that came back for Gus.....the best SB could do was a CONDITIONAL 3rd round pick? Not trading Gus when he still had value(we all knew he'd be further exposed this year.....almost all of us)and trading Joker instead are fire-able offenses for any well run team! Again you assume Stan didn't try to trade him. I guess you are privy to his phone calls and know what deals are offered to him or what he offers other teams. Possible he tried to trade him but other teams knew Gus was a 1 hit wonder and were not going to offer the Hawks anything to help them out. Gus was making dirt for money so nobody would be required to help them out. You're assuming a 27yro D-man coming off a breakthrough offensive season that put him near the top of the league in D scoring garnered no interest from teams too. Neither one of know for sure and I know I'm not privy to those things.....are you? Was Brandon Bollig worth more than a D-man comin' off a 60pt year? Was Gus worth more over the summer? Some teams probably did see Gus as a one hit wonder.....too bad we weren't one of em! Many here including myself said the player would only be further exposed if kept and that's exactly what happened. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 25, 2020 10:57:47 GMT -6
Again you assume Stan didn't try to trade him. I guess you are privy to his phone calls and know what deals are offered to him or what he offers other teams. Possible he tried to trade him but other teams knew Gus was a 1 hit wonder and were not going to offer the Hawks anything to help them out. Gus was making dirt for money so nobody would be required to help them out. You're assuming a 27yro D-man coming off a breakthrough offensive season that put him near the top of the league in D scoring garnered no interest from teams too. Neither one of know for sure and I know I'm not privy to those things.....are you? Was Brandon Bollig worth more than a D-man comin' off a 60pt year? Was Gus worth more over the summer? Some teams probably did see Gus as a one hit wonder.....too bad we weren't one of em! Many here including myself said the player would only be further exposed if kept and that's exactly what happened. Considering Gus was a 4th rd. pick of the oilers to start with, a 3rd is not bad then. The conditional pick is the higher of either the Flames or Oilers pick. www.capfriendly.com/draft/2020&pick=85This the Oil-Flames trade. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 25, 2020 18:16:57 GMT -6
Gus was making dirt for money so nobody would be required to help them out. You're assuming a 27yro D-man coming off a breakthrough offensive season that put him near the top of the league in D scoring garnered no interest from teams too. Neither one of know for sure and I know I'm not privy to those things.....are you? Was Brandon Bollig worth more than a D-man comin' off a 60pt year? Was Gus worth more over the summer? Some teams probably did see Gus as a one hit wonder.....too bad we weren't one of em! Many here including myself said the player would only be further exposed if kept and that's exactly what happened. Considering Gus was a 4th rd. pick of the oilers to start with, a 3rd is not bad then. The conditional pick is the higher of either the Flames or Oilers pick. www.capfriendly.com/draft/2020&pick=85This the Oil-Flames trade. I know he had little value before he got here,how else could Stan get him? The guy had 86pts from the back end in his last 138 games for cryin' out loud and he was on a cheap expiring deal. I'd understand Stan having a hard time moving him if he had just signed a 4MX3 SB special but he was one of a few players re-done correctly,he was an asset that had to be capitalized on before he exposed himself further. As the article pointed out,if this year goes unfinished,the condition of the Oil pick is impossible to prove and will be contested. It's just my opinion but it's mind numbing that Ol Stanbo couldn't at least get a clean 3rd......AT LEAST!....actually it's not just MY opinion. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 25, 2020 20:46:01 GMT -6
tampa coach jon cooper was coaching norfolk in a playoff game in an empty rink a few years back and he had this to say about it. "The first five minutes everybody gets a shift in and there are no fans in the stands, there will probably be a little bit of sarcasm going on the bench like there is on every single NHL bench about what's going on," Cooper told NHL.com's Bryan Burns. "But I'm telling you, once the banging starts and the competitive juices kick in, I don't think guys will even notice."
"It didn't change a thing," Cooper said of the 2012 contest. "Guys were battling it out, gaming it out. That's the only thing I can reflect on when I was a part of something like that at kind of a crucial time in the second round of the playoffs. It was still one hell of a hockey game."
"I think the guys will get over (not having fans in the stands) pretty quick knowing what's at the end of the rainbow if you keep winning those games."www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1971844i think he's pretty much spot on. it'd suck not raising the cup in front of your home fans but as we all here know it doesn't always work out that way. and maybe it would be the same for the fans. after 5 minutes of watching you'd forget about the lack of crowd noise and just concentrate on the game. or maybe not...either way, it'd be an interesting scenario |
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Post by doogiew on Apr 26, 2020 8:34:07 GMT -6
tampa coach jon cooper was coaching norfolk in a playoff game in an empty rink a few years back and he had this to say about it. "The first five minutes everybody gets a shift in and there are no fans in the stands, there will probably be a little bit of sarcasm going on the bench like there is on every single NHL bench about what's going on," Cooper told NHL.com's Bryan Burns. "But I'm telling you, once the banging starts and the competitive juices kick in, I don't think guys will even notice."
"It didn't change a thing," Cooper said of the 2012 contest. "Guys were battling it out, gaming it out. That's the only thing I can reflect on when I was a part of something like that at kind of a crucial time in the second round of the playoffs. It was still one hell of a hockey game."
"I think the guys will get over (not having fans in the stands) pretty quick knowing what's at the end of the rainbow if you keep winning those games."www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1971844i think he's pretty much spot on. it'd suck not raising the cup in front of your home fans but as we all here know it doesn't always work out that way. and maybe it would be the same for the fans. after 5 minutes of watching you'd forget about the lack of crowd noise and just concentrate on the game. or maybe not...either way, it'd be an interesting scenario I don't care just give me some hockey. There surely will be revenue lost. At this point however all revenue is being lost. The NFL went ahead with a draft and the NHL doesn't even have a solid plan for a lottery yet. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 26, 2020 19:41:06 GMT -6
I don't care just give me some hockey. There surely will be revenue lost. At this point however all revenue is being lost. The NFL went ahead with a draft and the NHL doesn't even have a solid plan for a lottery yet. i know a deals a deal, but i wonder if in these circumstances the league could demand more for the television rights? |
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Post by BigT on Apr 27, 2020 10:55:48 GMT -6
I don't care just give me some hockey. There surely will be revenue lost. At this point however all revenue is being lost. The NFL went ahead with a draft and the NHL doesn't even have a solid plan for a lottery yet. i know a deals a deal, but i wonder if in these circumstances the league could demand more for the television rights? I could be dead wrong here. However I believe I read a report on the nhl gets extra revenue if tv ratings are higher. This is why you always have the Hawks in an outdoor game. They’re the highest ratings in the nhl. So again, I may be wrong, but I believe if the ratings are higher than the average, they will see a bit more on their end. The NHLs tv deal is sht. So they have a few clauses in there that help grow the revenue. The next tv deal will 100% see advertising in the post season during OT. Right now there is no commercials in OT during the playoffs. The league needs more revenue!!! |
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Post by doogiew on Apr 27, 2020 13:34:52 GMT -6
I don't care just give me some hockey. There surely will be revenue lost. At this point however all revenue is being lost. The NFL went ahead with a draft and the NHL doesn't even have a solid plan for a lottery yet. i know a deals a deal, but i wonder if in these circumstances the league could demand more for the television rights? The NHL is bound to an agreement with Rogers in Canada. I'm not certain about the US, but I think NBC is likely sharing rights. I'm not certain how small market teams bid. I think to that T is right about advertising and increased revenue as to viewing. That said Rogers paid 5.2 billion for rights inclusive of draft,draft lottery, and Stanley cup playoffs. In Canada they sell off games to TSN and CBC where the NHL may make more of a take. The USA is a different deal I think the NHL might have a contract with NBC but I believe that TV rights are sold off to smaller markets on the basis of their revenue. |
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Post by doogiew on Apr 27, 2020 13:46:35 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on Apr 27, 2020 15:30:09 GMT -6
What are gonna talk about now? How about the Hawks firing John McDonough!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 27, 2020 15:33:32 GMT -6
What are gonna talk about now? How about the Hawks firing John McDonough!!! Good thread for you to start. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 27, 2020 15:38:33 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 27, 2020 15:40:58 GMT -6
I was serious, you should create the thread. We'll have lots of comments and speculation that the new president will be firing Bowman. |
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Post by davebrau on Apr 27, 2020 15:50:04 GMT -6
I was serious, you should create the thread. We'll have lots of comments and speculation that the new president will be firing Bowman. i was just going to start one, but couldnt figure out how!  |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 27, 2020 15:56:30 GMT -6
I was serious, you should create the thread. We'll have lots of comments and speculation that the new president will be firing Bowman. Not much of thread starter but someone will probably be on it and I hope your last sentence is more than speculation. HOW IN THE HELL DO Q AND McD GET THE BOOT AND HOW DOES SB AVOID IT! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 27, 2020 16:11:20 GMT -6
I was serious, you should create the thread. We'll have lots of comments and speculation that the new president will be firing Bowman. Not much of thread starter but someone will probably be on it and I hope your last sentence is more than speculation. HOW IN THE HELL DO Q AND McD GET THE BOOT AND HOW DOES SB AVOID IT! like I said in the JM thread, if Stan gets that job then no way anyone here will convince me he doesn't have something on Rocky.... |
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