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Post by vadarx on Mar 12, 2020 22:34:24 GMT -6
now that hockey could very well be done until next fall, what the hell are gonna yell at each other about around here?
guess it is time to start with draft prep?
also, cuz I know it certainly makes me feel all warm and tingly and I know it will do the same for others here: the blows get to spend another year as the defending champs now if they don't resume the season for the playoffs.... 🤮🤮🤮🤮
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Post by Tater on Mar 13, 2020 0:44:40 GMT -6
You read my mind sir, I was gonna make a similar thread. And just as this forum started too.
Too bad for Beaudin and Hagel, they finally got a taste of the NHL and looked good out there.
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Post by vadarx on Mar 13, 2020 2:23:55 GMT -6
You read my mind sir, I was gonna make a similar thread. And just as this forum started too. Too bad for Beaudin and Hagel, they finally got a taste of the NHL and looked good out there. aye. hopefully they keep improving themselves under self quarantine.... |
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Post by Tater on Mar 13, 2020 2:31:28 GMT -6
Are the teams still able to practice/work out together?
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Post by vadarx on Mar 13, 2020 2:47:31 GMT -6
good question. not sure about the NHL, but the nba has told its players to basically sequester themselves until this plays out.
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Post by hsbob on Mar 13, 2020 7:17:39 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Mar 13, 2020 7:48:17 GMT -6
Are the teams still able to practice/work out together? Before they postponed all games they said all practices are canceled so I assume they can't. I truly hope things go back to "normal" soon, besides Bowman being the GM. If this season is canceled I'm glad Kubalik at least tied Panarin and Daze for goals by a Hawks rookie and some of the rookies look good, nice to see Carlsson is a +3 in 6gms and Beaudin looked better in one game in his own zone than Gus ever did. |
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Post by squishy24 on Mar 13, 2020 10:21:05 GMT -6
Are the teams still able to practice/work out together? Before they postponed all games they said all practices are canceled so I assume they can't. I truly hope things go back to "normal" soon, besides Bowman being the GM. If this season is canceled I'm glad Kubalik at least tied Panarin and Daze for goals by a Hawks rookie and some of the rookies look good, nice to see Carlsson is a +3 in 6gms and Beaudin looked better in one game in his own zone than Gus ever did. I doubt they cancel the season, that would be very unfair to the cup contenders. If they do some kind of limited play-offs, then the bubble teams would probably have conflict with it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 10:41:05 GMT -6
So if the season is completely a wash, does this extend the Bowman experiment as 2019/20 can now be looked at as a season long tryout? Nobody makes the playoffs, so is it really wasting another year of the core careers or can the Hawks just take a mulligan?
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Post by acesandeights on Mar 13, 2020 11:02:12 GMT -6
now that hockey could very well be done until next fall, what the hell are gonna yell at each other about around here? guess it is time to start with draft prep?also, cuz I know it certainly makes me feel all warm and tingly and I know it will do the same for others here: the blows get to spend another year as the defending champs now if they don't resume the season for the playoffs.... 🤮🤮🤮🤮 With the season on hiatus, I think that's a good subject. There's certainly a lot of questions to be answered. If there are no playoffs, when you look at the draft, I wonder what happens to the lottery vs playoff teams since who would be in the playoffs among the lower seeds in both conferences is not finalized. And who drafts last where the Cup champs draft? How would they decide the draft order when two teams are currently tied for one spot? Would they use the standings as they are (the reg. season is 85% completed) and then use the normal tie breaker process? I just hope the Hawks get a high pick. Here's a question everyone already knows the answer to: What position will the Hawks draft in June? |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Mar 13, 2020 12:17:59 GMT -6
Before they postponed all games they said all practices are canceled so I assume they can't. I truly hope things go back to "normal" soon, besides Bowman being the GM. If this season is canceled I'm glad Kubalik at least tied Panarin and Daze for goals by a Hawks rookie and some of the rookies look good, nice to see Carlsson is a +3 in 6gms and Beaudin looked better in one game in his own zone than Gus ever did. I doubt they cancel the season, that would be very unfair to the cup contenders. If they do some kind of limited play-offs, then the bubble teams would probably have conflict with it. Oiler fans here in Edmonton will probably riot lol Bettman was on Sportsnet talking with Brian Burke and the crew, they talked about different options, one being teams in the wildcard spots will play teams under them that are .500 and over, so the 4 teams below the wild card teams in each conference plus the 2 wild card teams play each other and it'll go by wins and goals for. They'll have a two week tournament to see who gets the wildcard spots, so the Hawks would have a chance to get in. They're considering many different scenarios and hopefully they can finish this season, even if it's in August. |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 13, 2020 16:16:33 GMT -6
Here's a question everyone already knows the answer to: What position will the Hawks draft in June?
that is a question I am not sure of an answer to, tbh. I was looking through some early mocks last night and most of em had us taking different players. one has us taking the big Ruasian goalie. the rest had a few different players.
I'll pass on using a first rounder on a 'tender, myself. I would say center would be my preference, but looking at who is available I have to think a scoring winger is likely to be our pick.
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Post by hsbob on Mar 13, 2020 16:36:01 GMT -6
So if the season is completely a wash, does this extend the Bowman experiment as 2019/20 can now be looked at as a season long tryout? Nobody makes the playoffs, so is it really wasting another year of the core careers or can the Hawks just take a mulligan? Another distraction in a season full of em,they're the shiny,jingley car keys waived in front of the curious toddlers while old Fido's goin for his last ride. Let's hope it's Stan's last F'n ride! There's no way around it now......three consecutive misses and no HoF coach to blame this time. I'll have a difficult time supporting this team if the same management group stays in place. What happens with the 8.5M worth of severely damaged goods named de Haan and Shaw? (We shoulda got Hobbs and Shaw!LOL). These sub 30yro players might have absolutely no intention of retiring or going on LTIR if they feel good come October. Even if they do,their space can't be utilized till we're one game in which puts that space in limbo and doesn't allow it to be used to acquire MUCH needed players this summer or to re-sign those who need to be. What happens to Smith's 3.5M? Do we pay a 4th line wing who was a shell of a player before the injury that ridiculous amount again next year? We'll have 17 players under contact next season for 73.42M without knowing what this current clusterfuck does to any business model and that's WITHOUT Kubalik,Strome or a goaltender. I know the experts,pundits and all the inter-net assassins' will point their fingers at the contracts of JT and Seabs while ignoring the 16M wrapped up in de Haan,Shaw(I still like Hobbs and Shaw better!LOL!),Smith and Maata who was unnecessary with the number of young D-men ready or close. LAST summer was SB's chance(pray to God it's his last) to improve the team and how in the hell DON'T you when you part with a 19yro D-man with credentials,a 2nd and a 3rd,a decent,cheap forward,a starting NHL center and that 16M bucks I keep going back to? In retrospect,how much good did Lehner's 5M really do? Quite the TWENTY ONE MILLION dollar shopping spree wasn't it? Let alone the assets lost! |
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Post by acesandeights on Mar 14, 2020 8:28:11 GMT -6
Here's a question everyone already knows the answer to: What position will the Hawks draft in June? that is a question I am not sure of an answer to, tbh. I was looking through some early mocks last night and most of em had us taking different players. one has us taking the big Ruasian goalie. the rest had a few different players. I'll pass on using a first rounder on a 'tender, myself. I would say center would be my preference, but looking at who is available I have to think a scoring winger is likely to be our pick. That is what my thinking was also. I was figuring it would be a foregone conclusion the Hawks would look at a scoring winger first because that's lacking in the system, and they can certainly use another scorer. We have some young D prospects (inc. Mitchell) that are all 1st or 2nd rd. picks, with Regula a 3rd. rounder. But with Dach already up, none of the F prospects are any higher than 3rd. rd. picks. I can agree on passing up a goalie in the first. From a little research I did, only two G's went in the first round in the last four years; Jake Oettinger at #26 in 2017 and Spencer Knight last year at #13. The Hawks do have two 3rd. rd. picks so maybe they will look at one then, if there is one worth the pick and he is ranked ahead of available skaters. Since G's take a while to develop, I would think ideally you want G prospects at different age levels in the system and avoid gaps. |
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Post by tincup on Mar 14, 2020 11:56:19 GMT -6
Little blurb about fast risers. I watched Khusdnutdinov’s YouTube youtu.be/Aq5NeoeQK9U Video, and Chromiak and Jarvis look interesting. We need to get Ottawa’s third first round pick off them. They have and will have.a lot of prospects in the pipeline but they need some players as well. Surely we can package something over to them to get that later round pick. thehockeywriters.com/2020-nhl-draft-risers-march/ |
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Post by hawks27 on Mar 14, 2020 19:04:04 GMT -6
With the present hiatus on hockey play, I would recommend doing some reading.
I just finished a very enlightening book about the history of the Blackhawk ownership, up to the the more recent time. I have a lot of respect for Rocky after reading that book. The family in-fighting and back-stabbing is really too bad. I highly recommend this book, entitled "The Break Away." It not only covers the Blackhawks, but also the other businesses in the Wirtz empire. The history of his grandfather, etc. was also interesting. It sounded like Arthur Wirtz and his buddy James Norris made a lot of their $$ from buying businesses during the Great Depression, along with making a lot of shrewd business deals along the way.
I'd be interested to hear what other Blackhawk fans think of this book.
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Post by BigT on Mar 15, 2020 14:50:27 GMT -6
As for the draft. It’s going to be interesting to see where the Hawks end up, and is there going to be a lotto? Anyways, we’re looking to be around 7-12. Probably not the best positions, so the new GM and scouting staff need to be on the same booklet and get it right. We have youth, but not the proper youth needed to properly rebuild. Some good pieces, but not star power in the system. I believe the last couple of drafts were fairly weak. The first overall isn’t even in the running for the Calder, neither is anyone from that draft. This years draft is a special one, where we can get a decent player at 7-12. Maybe even a star like a Schiefele or someone of that ilk. So let’s hope we don’t miss this year!!!
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 16, 2020 6:52:03 GMT -6
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Post by acesandeights on Mar 17, 2020 7:00:33 GMT -6
As for the draft. It’s going to be interesting to see where the Hawks end up, and is there going to be a lotto? Anyways, we’re looking to be around 7-12. Probably not the best positions, so the new GM and scouting staff need to be on the same booklet and get it right. We have youth, but not the proper youth needed to properly rebuild. Some good pieces, but not star power in the system. I believe the last couple of drafts were fairly weak. The first overall isn’t even in the running for the Calder, neither is anyone from that draft. This years draft is a special one, where we can get a decent player at 7-12. Maybe even a star like a Schiefele or someone of that ilk. So let’s hope we don’t miss this year!!! Since the Hawks have a 1st., a 2nd., and two 3rds. in the first three rounds, I wonder if it would be of enough benefit to the Hawks for Stan to try and either; move up in the 1st, (assuming their original pick is around 11-12), try to get a late 1st rounder, move up in the 2nd, or try to move up in the 3rd. He's moved up in the 3rd before. I wasn't sure how much of a talent difference there is between pick 6 or 7 and pick 12. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 18, 2020 16:21:29 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Mar 19, 2020 10:50:30 GMT -6
As for the draft. It’s going to be interesting to see where the Hawks end up, and is there going to be a lotto? Anyways, we’re looking to be around 7-12. Probably not the best positions, so the new GM and scouting staff need to be on the same booklet and get it right. We have youth, but not the proper youth needed to properly rebuild. Some good pieces, but not star power in the system. I believe the last couple of drafts were fairly weak. The first overall isn’t even in the running for the Calder, neither is anyone from that draft. This years draft is a special one, where we can get a decent player at 7-12. Maybe even a star like a Schiefele or someone of that ilk. So let’s hope we don’t miss this year!!! Since the Hawks have a 1st., a 2nd., and two 3rds. in the first three rounds, I wonder if it would be of enough benefit to the Hawks for Stan to try and either; move up in the 1st, (assuming their original pick is around 11-12), try to get a late 1st rounder, move up in the 2nd, or try to move up in the 3rd. He's moved up in the 3rd before. I wasn't sure how much of a talent difference there is between pick 6 or 7 and pick 12. There’s always a difference between 7-12. The problem is, if Stan comes back, it’s more of the same. He dumpster dives and takes horrible chances on injured players. So it’s all a moot point if he comes back. I fear the draft will mean nothing if he’s still here. Actually everything means nothing if he’s still here. I believe you’ll see the same results. We will need a couple more high picks to level this out. Outside of the top 5 is a terrible future for us. This is a deep draft, and Stan thought it was great to “just miss the playoffs”. Also “we’re looking to get better everyday”. He’s held office probably 5 years too long. With that said......again, I think it’s best at the draft to trade Saad for a first. Then trade that 2nd round pick we got to pay someone to take deHaan Solo. Throw in Sikura if needed. Parlay both the 1st rounders into a higher pick. Let’s say Montreal gets the 3rd overall. And we have the 24th and the 8th. I’d try and move them both for the 3rd pick. In a deep draft, I could see the Habs doing this. As they have a potential to get a solid player at 8, and possibly get another at 24 or whatever that pick is. We get the top end talent that we need. We could take Byfield or Drysdale etc. If that’s not possible, I’d heavily look into trying to get Byram from the Avs. I would send Saad a 2nd and a prospect to get him outta there. It would boost our D pool. And he’s a potential game changer, definitely worth the risk. But that’s me. I doubt Stan shakes things up too much. He’s gonna trade fringe players with more fringe players and look into growing from within. If we don’t get a new GM, we are in a decades long batter to get back!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 19, 2020 18:50:34 GMT -6
it's only been 8 days since NHL hockey was last played.
8 days.
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Post by shooter61 on Mar 19, 2020 19:56:27 GMT -6
feels lie a month
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 20, 2020 0:29:48 GMT -6
Feels like 5 years since the Hawks played hockey.
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Post by Tater on Mar 20, 2020 0:47:18 GMT -6
Feels like 5 years since the Hawks played hockey.
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Post by hawks27 on Mar 20, 2020 10:19:56 GMT -6
it's only been 8 days since NHL hockey was last played. 8 days. I think the Beatles had a song about that. |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 20, 2020 19:42:31 GMT -6
Pure joy watching the replay of game four against Nashville last night.....quite the team before Ol Stanbo worked his magic eh?
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Post by davebrau on Mar 21, 2020 15:47:46 GMT -6
Since the Hawks have a 1st., a 2nd., and two 3rds. in the first three rounds, I wonder if it would be of enough benefit to the Hawks for Stan to try and either; move up in the 1st, (assuming their original pick is around 11-12), try to get a late 1st rounder, move up in the 2nd, or try to move up in the 3rd. He's moved up in the 3rd before. I wasn't sure how much of a talent difference there is between pick 6 or 7 and pick 12. There’s always a difference between 7-12. The problem is, if Stan comes back, it’s more of the same. He dumpster dives and takes horrible chances on injured players. So it’s all a moot point if he comes back. I fear the draft will mean nothing if he’s still here. Actually everything means nothing if he’s still here. I believe you’ll see the same results. We will need a couple more high picks to level this out. Outside of the top 5 is a terrible future for us. This is a deep draft, and Stan thought it was great to “just miss the playoffs”. Also “we’re looking to get better everyday”. He’s held office probably 5 years too long. With that said......again, I think it’s best at the draft to trade Saad for a first. Then trade that 2nd round pick we got to pay someone to take deHaan Solo. Throw in Sikura if needed. Parlay both the 1st rounders into a higher pick. Let’s say Montreal gets the 3rd overall. And we have the 24th and the 8th. I’d try and move them both for the 3rd pick. In a deep draft, I could see the Habs doing this. As they have a potential to get a solid player at 8, and possibly get another at 24 or whatever that pick is. We get the top end talent that we need. We could take Byfield or Drysdale etc. If that’s not possible, I’d heavily look into trying to get Byram from the Avs. I would send Saad a 2nd and a prospect to get him outta there. It would boost our D pool. And he’s a potential game changer, definitely worth the risk. But that’s me. I doubt Stan shakes things up too much. He’s gonna trade fringe players with more fringe players and look into growing from within. If we don’t get a new GM, we are in a decades long batter to get back!!! i thought i heard Stan is coming back next year? hope im wrong...  |
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Post by BigT on Mar 21, 2020 16:12:32 GMT -6
There’s always a difference between 7-12. The problem is, if Stan comes back, it’s more of the same. He dumpster dives and takes horrible chances on injured players. So it’s all a moot point if he comes back. I fear the draft will mean nothing if he’s still here. Actually everything means nothing if he’s still here. I believe you’ll see the same results. We will need a couple more high picks to level this out. Outside of the top 5 is a terrible future for us. This is a deep draft, and Stan thought it was great to “just miss the playoffs”. Also “we’re looking to get better everyday”. He’s held office probably 5 years too long. With that said......again, I think it’s best at the draft to trade Saad for a first. Then trade that 2nd round pick we got to pay someone to take deHaan Solo. Throw in Sikura if needed. Parlay both the 1st rounders into a higher pick. Let’s say Montreal gets the 3rd overall. And we have the 24th and the 8th. I’d try and move them both for the 3rd pick. In a deep draft, I could see the Habs doing this. As they have a potential to get a solid player at 8, and possibly get another at 24 or whatever that pick is. We get the top end talent that we need. We could take Byfield or Drysdale etc. If that’s not possible, I’d heavily look into trying to get Byram from the Avs. I would send Saad a 2nd and a prospect to get him outta there. It would boost our D pool. And he’s a potential game changer, definitely worth the risk. But that’s me. I doubt Stan shakes things up too much. He’s gonna trade fringe players with more fringe players and look into growing from within. If we don’t get a new GM, we are in a decades long batter to get back!!! i thought i heard Stan is coming back next year? hope im wrong... Well that’s what Rockwell says. We all know it’s a poor decision. More than likely they gave Stan that 2 year extension, they were waiting for the team to return to excellence to announce it. That never happened. So now Rockwell is stuck paying him, so I think they let him rot on the vine and start the rebuild without announcing it. So I hate to say it, Stan is here for at least one more year. It sucks but hopefully when the team is in the gutta, they let him go mid way through next season and start the rebuild with a new candidate!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Mar 22, 2020 10:31:24 GMT -6
There’s always a difference between 7-12. The problem is, if Stan comes back, it’s more of the same. He dumpster dives and takes horrible chances on injured players. So it’s all a moot point if he comes back. I fear the draft will mean nothing if he’s still here. Actually everything means nothing if he’s still here. I believe you’ll see the same results. We will need a couple more high picks to level this out. Outside of the top 5 is a terrible future for us. This is a deep draft, and Stan thought it was great to “just miss the playoffs”. Also “we’re looking to get better everyday”. He’s held office probably 5 years too long. With that said......again, I think it’s best at the draft to trade Saad for a first. Then trade that 2nd round pick we got to pay someone to take deHaan Solo. Throw in Sikura if needed. Parlay both the 1st rounders into a higher pick. Let’s say Montreal gets the 3rd overall. And we have the 24th and the 8th. I’d try and move them both for the 3rd pick. In a deep draft, I could see the Habs doing this. As they have a potential to get a solid player at 8, and possibly get another at 24 or whatever that pick is. We get the top end talent that we need. We could take Byfield or Drysdale etc. If that’s not possible, I’d heavily look into trying to get Byram from the Avs. I would send Saad a 2nd and a prospect to get him outta there. It would boost our D pool. And he’s a potential game changer, definitely worth the risk. But that’s me. I doubt Stan shakes things up too much. He’s gonna trade fringe players with more fringe players and look into growing from within. If we don’t get a new GM, we are in a decades long batter to get back!!! i thought i heard Stan is coming back next year? hope im wrong... Hope in one hand......Stan in the other!LOL! |
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