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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 5, 2020 0:39:13 GMT -6
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Post by Tater on Apr 5, 2020 1:52:59 GMT -6
if it's any consolation, we would've played the rangers in NY tonight and our last game of the regular season would most likely be done by now and we almost certainly would have been a non-playoff team. so from this point on, we're likely not missing any blackhawk's hockey. glad to be of help.
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 5, 2020 1:57:18 GMT -6
hey!! i'm trying to cheer this joint up! : ) |
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Post by Tater on Apr 5, 2020 2:28:43 GMT -6
Man, I'm really getting into the old games they've been showing. I even heard one on the radio tonight (Game 2 vs Van) with Wiedeman and Murray. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 5, 2020 22:52:39 GMT -6
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Post by Tater on Apr 6, 2020 0:58:06 GMT -6
This makes the Schmatlz trade... meh. 
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Post by galaxytrash on Apr 6, 2020 2:17:55 GMT -6
This makes the Schmatlz trade... meh. i reckon that'll depend on what we get for strome if he's traded. and that trade ended up giving us regula who is yet to be determined. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 6, 2020 7:40:21 GMT -6
I'm sorry but much like Trubisky's regression after a good season,I have to point to the HC when I consider Strome and D-Cat's regression. Maybe it's me but these two kids,one a big center and one a pure sniper,had the type of chemistry I saw 10 years ago between some great to be players and I don't make that comparison lightly. D-Cat absolutely exploded and he did so w/o K or T on his line and Strome looked like a real #2 with some work left at the dot......both looked like they were in 7th heaven playing together last year and both looked like they were in hell apart this year. I don't know if something happened in camp or PS but they were separated right from the start and that didn't result in one playing with Kane and one playing with Toews...….it resulted in one or both playing with slugs on any given night and it affected the confidence of both IMO. Who DOESN'T put their 40gl sniper on Kane's other side? I still believe a Kane,Strome,D-Cat line would have seen much better individual numbers for all three and an advantage for the team.....JMO Trading Strome begs one question...….who are the team's centers next year? |
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Post by acesandeights on Apr 6, 2020 7:43:19 GMT -6
bob, I like your question at the very end.
Wouldn't trading Strome put the Hawks right back where they were a couple of years ago at C?
Wouldn't it leave Toews at 1C, Dach at 2C, and then guys like Smith, Kampf and maybe Carpenter for the other spots. Not exactly a scary group.
Unless Strome is traded for another comparable C that replaces Strome, it seems like Dach would become the #2C by default. Is he even ready for this role yet; or does one of the lower level guys step in? I thought Carpenter played on the second line for a little while.
This is all assuming there is some truth behind Strome on the block. What would he even fetch?
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Post by hsbob on Apr 6, 2020 8:06:35 GMT -6
bob, I like your question at the very end. Wouldn't trading Strome put the Hawks right back where they were a couple of years ago at C? Wouldn't it leave Toews at 1C, Dach at 2C, and then guys like Smith, Kampf and maybe Carpenter for the other spots. Not exactly a scary group. Unless Strome is traded for another comparable C that replaces Strome, it seems like Dach would become the #2C by default. Is he even ready for this role yet; or does one of the lower level guys step in? I thought Carpenter played on the second line for a little while. This is all assuming there is some truth behind Strome on the block. What would he even fetch? I have an idea,let's coach up the young player we have! Go find me a 6'3" 200lb 23yro center with 105pts in his first 164 games who's over 47% at the dot......do teams even trade these players? I know he was inconsistent but he skated with bottom six forwards much of the year. I know he's not a PK guy or a top defender but he's only a -8 on two bad teams so far in his career. We didn't see a flukey one or two good weeks from the Strome/D-Cat combo last year,we saw a fricken year long breakthrough and chemistry out the ass and that was with a fringe guy like Perlini for God's sake. I can understand separating K&T even though they had career years together because they're veteran players but the two young guys needed to build on their chemistry and confidence from last year and they never got that chance. Dach couldn't be more promising but giving 2LC duties to a 19yro with a 33% FO performance is begging for bad habits and the rest of the centers would all be fourth liners on most teams. There's no way in hell a team this weak at center should even consider trading Strome,take advantage of the off year and sign him for a 3MX3 deal and then get somebody who can coach him up. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 6, 2020 8:12:39 GMT -6
bob, I like your question at the very end. Wouldn't trading Strome put the Hawks right back where they were a couple of years ago at C? Wouldn't it leave Toews at 1C, Dach at 2C, and then guys like Smith, Kampf and maybe Carpenter for the other spots. Not exactly a scary group. Unless Strome is traded for another comparable C that replaces Strome, it seems like Dach would become the #2C by default. Is he even ready for this role yet; or does one of the lower level guys step in? I thought Carpenter played on the second line for a little while. This is all assuming there is some truth behind Strome on the block. What would he even fetch? Since we don't know team's intentions with their RFA's,here's a list of UFA centers...….read it n weep.... www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2021/caphit/all/center&signing-status=ufa |
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Post by BigT on Apr 6, 2020 10:00:05 GMT -6
If Mitchell makes the team next year along with Carlsson, gotta think it’s a total tank job. Our d is razor thin as it is, and probably a year worse off with age. I’m not sure Murphy, Maatta and deHaan are our best options to lead and core. That looks like what Seattle’s Dcore should look like. Keith can be “old” at any moment, and I doubt Seabs is the old Seabs. Probably more of a 6-7 guy now. So if we have a d core of Koekkoek, Seabs, Murphy, Keith, Maatta, deHaan, and a platoon of Carlsson and Mitchell, may be one of if not the worst in the NHL. None of them are awful at this point, but none are great at anything.
Personally, I don’t see Mitchell making the Hawks, unless Stan the village idiot forces him in there only to pat himself on the F****** back and say “here’s the next great thing”. Carlsson deserves to be here over him, and I don’t think that’s debatable at this time. Carlsson has paid his dues, and was Rockfords best defensemen last year and probably so this year. He’s probably our best D prospect at the moment!!!
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Post by tincup on Apr 6, 2020 10:00:54 GMT -6
bob, I like your question at the very end. Wouldn't trading Strome put the Hawks right back where they were a couple of years ago at C? Wouldn't it leave Toews at 1C, Dach at 2C, and then guys like Smith, Kampf and maybe Carpenter for the other spots. Not exactly a scary group. Unless Strome is traded for another comparable C that replaces Strome, it seems like Dach would become the #2C by default. Is he even ready for this role yet; or does one of the lower level guys step in? I thought Carpenter played on the second line for a little while. This is all assuming there is some truth behind Strome on the block. What would he even fetch? Since we don't know team's intentions with their RFA's,here's a list of UFA centers...….read it n weep.... www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2021/caphit/all/center&signing-status=ufaAll those names look like people you’d see in the Spengler Cup, nobody noteworthy at all. |
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Post by tincup on Apr 6, 2020 10:04:05 GMT -6
If Mitchell makes the team next year along with Carlsson, gotta think it’s a total tank job. Our d is razor thin as it is, and probably a year worse off with age. I’m not sure Murphy, Maatta and deHaan are our best options to lead and core. That looks like what Seattle’s Dcore should look like. Keith can be “old” at any moment, and I doubt Seabs is the old Seabs. Probably more of a 6-7 guy now. So if we have a d core of Koekkoek, Seabs, Murphy, Keith, Maatta, deHaan, and a platoon of Carlsson and Mitchell, may be one of if not the worst in the NHL. None of them are awful at this point, but none are great at anything. Personally, I don’t see Mitchell making the Hawks, unless Stan the village idiot forces him in there only to pat himself on the F****** back and say “here’s the next great thing”. Carlsson deserves to be here over him, and I don’t think that’s debatable at this time. Carlsson has paid his dues, and was Rockfords best defensemen last year and probably so this year. He’s probably our best D prospect at the moment!!! You missed Boqvist, Freudian slip or just assuming he’ll be on IR. |
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Post by tincup on Apr 6, 2020 10:08:24 GMT -6
This makes the Schmatlz trade... meh. i reckon that'll depend on what we get for strome if he's traded. and that trade ended up giving us regula who is yet to be determined. If Strome was the dangle to Ottawa in exchange for swapping their #2 or #3 for Chicago’s #9 would you do it? Would they? |
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Post by shooter61 on Apr 6, 2020 13:56:33 GMT -6
that's a tuff one , don't think I would, be like robing peter to pay Paul,on the other hand , it would be nice to have a pick that high, and maybe he works out to be better than strome, but it's a gamble
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Post by vadarx on Apr 6, 2020 15:02:13 GMT -6
I gotta agree with Bob on Stromer. why the hell were he and D🐈 broken up? I know you can't just let guys struggle together forever if you are the coach, but they weren't given much of a chance together, imo. that is one pair you should just leave together and let them work through it for a while.
trading Strome now would be silly considering what we gave up for him. now is the time to get him signed to a team-friendly deal for the next 2-3 years. so, maybe he and his agent are asking for too much? that is certainly a possibility, especially considering who they are negotiating with. if so, then I guess you may as well trade him, because he has not earned a deal like his best buddy got (if that is what he is asking for).
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Post by vadarx on Apr 6, 2020 15:04:40 GMT -6
i reckon that'll depend on what we get for strome if he's traded. and that trade ended up giving us regula who is yet to be determined. If Strome was the dangle to Ottawa in exchange for swapping their #2 or #3 for Chicago’s #9 would you do it? Would they? I would if he is asking for too much. hell, how about this: our first, our second, Strome, Mitchell. Ottawa's pair of first round picks and a later round pick or lesser prospect. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 6, 2020 15:20:39 GMT -6
If Mitchell makes the team next year along with Carlsson, gotta think it’s a total tank job. Our d is razor thin as it is, and probably a year worse off with age. I’m not sure Murphy, Maatta and deHaan are our best options to lead and core. That looks like what Seattle’s Dcore should look like. Keith can be “old” at any moment, and I doubt Seabs is the old Seabs. Probably more of a 6-7 guy now. So if we have a d core of Koekkoek, Seabs, Murphy, Keith, Maatta, deHaan, and a platoon of Carlsson and Mitchell, may be one of if not the worst in the NHL. None of them are awful at this point, but none are great at anything. Personally, I don’t see Mitchell making the Hawks, unless Stan the village idiot forces him in there only to pat himself on the F****** back and say “here’s the next great thing”. Carlsson deserves to be here over him, and I don’t think that’s debatable at this time. Carlsson has paid his dues, and was Rockfords best defensemen last year and probably so this year. He’s probably our best D prospect at the moment!!! with all the signings that Stan made last off season (combined with Boqvist, Carlsson, and other prospects), I will honestly be shocked if he signs with the 'hawks at this point. Shea was a fourth rounder who decided to go the free agent route and with the cancellation of this ncaa hockey season, I won't be shocked if Mitchell goes back for his senior year and then sees who will give him a sweet deal and a better shot at making the Show in 2021.... as I said in the prospects thread, if he refuses to sign this spring, I would IMMEDIATELY trade him. actually, I'd rather just trade him now before that even gets out. could he end up great and it bites us in the ass down the road? sure. but it is better than getting nothing for him in a year.... |
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Post by BigT on Apr 6, 2020 19:06:12 GMT -6
My main concern is that there is still no real direction of this team. It’s very clear that Stan is believing in the ole “just get in and see what happens” model that has never ever worked. Ya a few teams snuck in and made some noise, but that was more of a fluke. The Hawks are in horrible shape and yet they keep peddling the same ole “this is a playoff team”. Well, I’m pretty convinced they’re not gonna make it next year either. I fear more dumpster dive moves and whether we like it or not, there gonna be a purge. Just no money available again, and Stan was supposed to be this so called cap guru, yet he’s one of the worst in the league with the cap. Why oh why would he sign Dcat instead of motivating his ass and signing him later? He was an RFA, why worry? I still feel Dcat if he had the same year without a new deal, he would a got 4.5 or maybe 5.
I was looking at the Senator’s draft picks this year. That’s how you rebuild. They targeted this years draft as an important one. And they have 3 first round picks ( 2 of those fall in the top 4) and 4 second round picks. They’re primed to rebuild in a few years. They’re gonna get two really good players, and probably end up with 3-4 NHLers out of this years draft, which is massive.
I’m at the point where I’d seriously consider cleaning house in Chicago. I’d keep Toews and Kane, if they wanted to stay through it. If they didn’t, I’d reap the bounty of trading them. I’d even consider trading Dcat at the draft if I could land a top 5 pick. I know many think that’s dumb, but I’d rather have a cheaper alternative for the next few years than pay Dcat to struggle on a bad Hawks team. I’d trade Saad, Strome, Maatta, deHaan (even with a sweetener), I’d keep Kubalik due to his bigger size and his ability and willingness to go to the net. He’s the one I’d pay. I’d even trade Boqvist as I don’t think he’s built to last. I’d make room for Carlsson, Mitchell, and I’d take a dman this year. I’d rebuild this thing in the next couple years, and get it going right instead of the half asses mish mash we see now. Half a team of grizzled vets and half a team of raw rookies doesn’t work out. There’s always a divide as the older dudes wanna go for it, but the younger kids are gonna need to learn for a few years!!!
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Post by doogiew on Apr 6, 2020 20:33:55 GMT -6
My main concern is that there is still no real direction of this team. It’s very clear that Stan is believing in the ole “just get in and see what happens” model that has never ever worked. Ya a few teams snuck in and made some noise, but that was more of a fluke. The Hawks are in horrible shape and yet they keep peddling the same ole “this is a playoff team”. Well, I’m pretty convinced they’re not gonna make it next year either. I fear more dumpster dive moves and whether we like it or not, there gonna be a purge. Just no money available again, and Stan was supposed to be this so called cap guru, yet he’s one of the worst in the league with the cap. Why oh why would he sign Dcat instead of motivating his ass and signing him later? He was an RFA, why worry? I still feel Dcat if he had the same year without a new deal, he would a got 4.5 or maybe 5. I was looking at the Senator’s draft picks this year. That’s how you rebuild. They targeted this years draft as an important one. And they have 3 first round picks ( 2 of those fall in the top 4) and 4 second round picks. They’re primed to rebuild in a few years. They’re gonna get two really good players, and probably end up with 3-4 NHLers out of this years draft, which is massive. I’m at the point where I’d seriously consider cleaning house in Chicago. I’d keep Toews and Kane, if they wanted to stay through it. If they didn’t, I’d reap the bounty of trading them. I’d even consider trading Dcat at the draft if I could land a top 5 pick. I know many think that’s dumb, but I’d rather have a cheaper alternative for the next few years than pay Dcat to struggle on a bad Hawks team. I’d trade Saad, Strome, Maatta, deHaan (even with a sweetener), I’d keep Kubalik due to his bigger size and his ability and willingness to go to the net. He’s the one I’d pay. I’d even trade Boqvist as I don’t think he’s built to last. I’d make room for Carlsson, Mitchell, and I’d take a dman this year. I’d rebuild this thing in the next couple years, and get it going right instead of the half asses mish mash we see now. Half a team of grizzled vets and half a team of raw rookies doesn’t work out. There’s always a divide as the older dudes wanna go for it, but the younger kids are gonna need to learn for a few years!!! This team needs players like Madden, Hossa well you get the picture if they ever wanna get things right. They need solid Vet Dmen. The window is very quickly closing on the Kane and Toews stage before it's lights out. First however you have to establish that core again as what now exists can no longer be called a core. The players exist to make this happen trades signings. Not for players like Smith and Carpenter either you only needs so many and Carpenter is enough. Mostly because of his versatility and cap hit. There is more than enough to trade and do well with. The fact of getting rid of Stan is your number one concern and it should be look at the hole the young Toronto GM has himself in. The coach is too young, and still learning. He sure as hell isn't a Peter DeBoer either that made the jump from junior to the Panthers as head coach. Put him (Colliton) back in the AHL please. The time for experimenting with this team is over and desperately needs some house cleaning, of massive proportions. As a fan I don't know how much to hope for. I would move Strome undoubtedly if his camp is asking much more than 3mil. You can't have your first 4-6 forwards tying up half of the cap, unless they are absolutely worth it. Proven young Dmen are also a must. Fail to do these things and become contenders again, and yes you might just as well blow it all up. If you do however you need a guy like Mark Hunter hell even bring Dale in to coach. There are a lot of other GM Head coach options at the present so it would make sense to get it done shortly. At the start of a fresh new season it's gonna be too late as with the Cap, you're usually left the hand that you're dealt. |
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Post by tincup on Apr 7, 2020 6:49:27 GMT -6
If Mitchell makes the team next year along with Carlsson, gotta think it’s a total tank job. Our d is razor thin as it is, and probably a year worse off with age. I’m not sure Murphy, Maatta and deHaan are our best options to lead and core. That looks like what Seattle’s Dcore should look like. Keith can be “old” at any moment, and I doubt Seabs is the old Seabs. Probably more of a 6-7 guy now. So if we have a d core of Koekkoek, Seabs, Murphy, Keith, Maatta, deHaan, and a platoon of Carlsson and Mitchell, may be one of if not the worst in the NHL. None of them are awful at this point, but none are great at anything. Personally, I don’t see Mitchell making the Hawks, unless Stan the village idiot forces him in there only to pat himself on the F****** back and say “here’s the next great thing”. Carlsson deserves to be here over him, and I don’t think that’s debatable at this time. Carlsson has paid his dues, and was Rockfords best defensemen last year and probably so this year. He’s probably our best D prospect at the moment!!! with all the signings that Stan made last off season (combined with Boqvist, Carlsson, and other prospects), I will honestly be shocked if he signs with the 'hawks at this point. Shea was a fourth rounder who decided to go the free agent route and with the cancellation of this ncaa hockey season, I won't be shocked if Mitchell goes back for his senior year and then sees who will give him a sweet deal and a better shot at making the Show in 2021.... as I said in the prospects thread, if he refuses to sign this spring, I would IMMEDIATELY trade him. actually, I'd rather just trade him now before that even gets out. could he end up great and it bites us in the ass down the road? sure. but it is better than getting nothing for him in a year.... Below is how I believe the rules work. Seems we have another year if Mitchell goes back for his senior year. But if he goes back I’d use him as a dangle to get another first round pick, maybe aim for Ottawa’s third 1st rounder this year. In most instances, an NCAA student-athlete or someone who becomes an NCAA student-athlete in the sport of men's ice hockey prior to June 1, after being drafted in the NHL Draft, will have his contract rights retained by his drafting club until August 15 following the graduation of his college class as long as he remains in school. Even if that drafted student-athlete were to leave school before his class graduates, his drafting club would hold rights to sign him until June 1 of the year four years after he was drafted. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 7, 2020 8:39:22 GMT -6
A lotta great insight in this thread.....I enjoy the hell outta talkin' hockey with you all!
I understand the 'what if Strome wants too much' viewpoint but we then have to figure out what 'too much' is and what it would cost to replace the player through trade or the FA market. I guess I value the 'strong up the middle' opinion more than our GM or he doesn't trade a 15-20 goal scoring,legit NHL center for a shell of a 4LW to save a million bucks. The team was fortunate to win cups in 10 & 13 without a true 2LC but those cups came on the strength of the rest of the roster and the ability of JT to do YEOMAN'S work. 15 doesn't happen without the additions of Richards and Vermette…..does it?
I still marvel at how a young coach who's supposed to be good with young players separated his best two young forwards after the breakthrough and chemistry they had the year before. IMO,Kubalik/JT/Saad and Kane/Strome/D-Cat woulda gave the team two outstanding lines that and DOES spread the scoring out and fixing the bottom six shoulda been a piece o cake with the money SB wasted last summer.
I see moving Strome as a major mistake and I'd go up to 4MX3 to keep him to be honest...….if you disagree,I'll respectfully ask you to list the centers on next year's roster.
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Post by hsbob on Apr 7, 2020 8:52:56 GMT -6
If Mitchell makes the team next year along with Carlsson, gotta think it’s a total tank job. Our d is razor thin as it is, and probably a year worse off with age. I’m not sure Murphy, Maatta and deHaan are our best options to lead and core. That looks like what Seattle’s Dcore should look like. Keith can be “old” at any moment, and I doubt Seabs is the old Seabs. Probably more of a 6-7 guy now. So if we have a d core of Koekkoek, Seabs, Murphy, Keith, Maatta, deHaan, and a platoon of Carlsson and Mitchell, may be one of if not the worst in the NHL. None of them are awful at this point, but none are great at anything. Personally, I don’t see Mitchell making the Hawks, unless Stan the village idiot forces him in there only to pat himself on the F****** back and say “here’s the next great thing”. Carlsson deserves to be here over him, and I don’t think that’s debatable at this time. Carlsson has paid his dues, and was Rockfords best defensemen last year and probably so this year. He’s probably our best D prospect at the moment!!! with all the signings that Stan made last off season (combined with Boqvist, Carlsson, and other prospects), I will honestly be shocked if he signs with the 'hawks at this point. Shea was a fourth rounder who decided to go the free agent route and with the cancellation of this ncaa hockey season, I won't be shocked if Mitchell goes back for his senior year and then sees who will give him a sweet deal and a better shot at making the Show in 2021.... as I said in the prospects thread, if he refuses to sign this spring, I would IMMEDIATELY trade him. actually, I'd rather just trade him now before that even gets out. could he end up great and it bites us in the ass down the road? sure. but it is better than getting nothing for him in a year.... Maata and de Haan created a more of a logjam at the position than a team with so many young D-men needed and it cost 8.6M to create this logjam. I don't get adding Seeler either when you have your own 23yro tuff as nails D-man who needed more games under his belt to develop. There are currently TEN D-men on the roster www.nhl.com/blackhawks/roster ,I'm sure we've seen our last of Koek and Seeler but Seabs and de Haan will both have had nearly eight months to heal and look for both to report ready to collect the 11.4M due them.....I guarantee it! HOW DOES THIS LOGJAM GET CLEARED? |
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Post by BigT on Apr 7, 2020 10:05:44 GMT -6
with all the signings that Stan made last off season (combined with Boqvist, Carlsson, and other prospects), I will honestly be shocked if he signs with the 'hawks at this point. Shea was a fourth rounder who decided to go the free agent route and with the cancellation of this ncaa hockey season, I won't be shocked if Mitchell goes back for his senior year and then sees who will give him a sweet deal and a better shot at making the Show in 2021.... as I said in the prospects thread, if he refuses to sign this spring, I would IMMEDIATELY trade him. actually, I'd rather just trade him now before that even gets out. could he end up great and it bites us in the ass down the road? sure. but it is better than getting nothing for him in a year.... Maata and de Haan created a more of a logjam at the position than a team with so many young D-men needed and it cost 8.6M to create this logjam. I don't get adding Seeler either when you have your own 23yro tuff as nails D-man who needed more games under his belt to develop. There are currently TEN D-men on the roster www.nhl.com/blackhawks/roster ,I'm sure we've seen our last of Koek and Seeler but Seabs and de Haan will both have had nearly eight months to heal and look for both to report ready to collect the 11.4M due them.....I guarantee it! HOW DOES THIS LOGJAM GET CLEARED? Once again Bob, this is a classic case of mismanagement. Stan is trying so hard to be the smartest guy in the room. He’s hellbent on finding his “Sharp” or his “Hammer” in trades or draft or wherever. He’s just not a smart hockey guy. Instead of doing the right thing, he tries again the reinvent the round wheel. For every Panerin, there’s 30 fails. But we have to live with all those fails for years at a time. So the one gem he finds he screws up by tanking the rest of the roster. So far his gamble on defense has never ever paid off. He’s doing all the wrong things. What exactly is the plan Stan? There’s just no gawd damn way there’s a plan to rebuild the defense through the draft when they don’t even give any of them a true shot. Honest question. If Boqvist was picked in the 3rd round, does he get the pass he’s had? Personally. I say no. He’s been a rather weak link back there. When the Hawks best players are their best, then guys like Boqvist looks good. When the team dips, so does Boqvist. Right now, I don’t think Boqvist was much better than Gilbert. Boqvist had 13 points in 41 games, and a -3. Gilbo had 3 points in 21 games, and a -8. Boqvist seen almost double the ice time as Gilbo, yet Gilbo played tough minutes that probably resulted in his -8. While Boqvist gets PP time and is protected by playing with Keith. I’m not saying Boqvist is a bust, I’m merely saying he hasn’t been anything he’s been advertised. If he would a got 25 points in 41 games, I’d look past his weak defensive play and his injury proneness. It seems to me that the guys that should get a shot just aren’t , so that Stan’s playboys can get every opportunity. Which creates a massive logjam. Add in mind boggling signings and you have the current state of the Hawks. Why sign guys when you have a litany or 20-23 year old Dmen looking for a chance? I don’t get it!!! |
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Post by tincup on Apr 7, 2020 14:04:53 GMT -6
Maata and de Haan created a more of a logjam at the position than a team with so many young D-men needed and it cost 8.6M to create this logjam. I don't get adding Seeler either when you have your own 23yro tuff as nails D-man who needed more games under his belt to develop. There are currently TEN D-men on the roster www.nhl.com/blackhawks/roster ,I'm sure we've seen our last of Koek and Seeler but Seabs and de Haan will both have had nearly eight months to heal and look for both to report ready to collect the 11.4M due them.....I guarantee it! HOW DOES THIS LOGJAM GET CLEARED? Once again Bob, this is a classic case of mismanagement. Stan is trying so hard to be the smartest guy in the room. He’s hellbent on finding his “Sharp” or his “Hammer” in trades or draft or wherever. He’s just not a smart hockey guy. Instead of doing the right thing, he tries again the reinvent the round wheel. For every Panerin, there’s 30 fails. But we have to live with all those fails for years at a time. So the one gem he finds he screws up by tanking the rest of the roster. So far his gamble on defense has never ever paid off. He’s doing all the wrong things. What exactly is the plan Stan? There’s just no gawd damn way there’s a plan to rebuild the defense through the draft when they don’t even give any of them a true shot. Honest question. If Boqvist was picked in the 3rd round, does he get the pass he’s had? Personally. I say no. He’s been a rather weak link back there. When the Hawks best players are their best, then guys like Boqvist looks good. When the team dips, so does Boqvist. Right now, I don’t think Boqvist was much better than Gilbert. Boqvist had 13 points in 41 games, and a -3. Gilbo had 3 points in 21 games, and a -8. Boqvist seen almost double the ice time as Gilbo, yet Gilbo played tough minutes that probably resulted in his -8. While Boqvist gets PP time and is protected by playing with Keith. I’m not saying Boqvist is a bust, I’m merely saying he hasn’t been anything he’s been advertised. If he would a got 25 points in 41 games, I’d look past his weak defensive play and his injury proneness. It seems to me that the guys that should get a shot just aren’t , so that Stan’s playboys can get every opportunity. Which creates a massive logjam. Add in mind boggling signings and you have the current state of the Hawks. Why sign guys when you have a litany or 20-23 year old Dmen looking for a chance? I don’t get it!!! Boqvist gets a first round pass, of course, like many others before him. We have a lot of ex first rounders that were other teams pups getting second or third chances that lower picks would never get. Gilbert, 40% O-zone starts had a different job than Boqvist, 57% O-zone starts. Neither had a Corsi above 50%. I wish we’d seen more of Carlsson, who with 43% O- zone starts had a Corsi equal to and Fenwick higher than Boqvist. Getting a puck to the face is more bad luck than an indicator of brittleness, but Boqvist extended his history of concussions and was bothered by shoulder and wrist injuries. Beaudin is smallish but plays both sides and garnered nice reviews from Keith in his debut. Add in Mitchell and his will he, won’t he ongoing story and you have four smallish defense who can’t all be expected to make the team. If players like deHaan and Maata aren’t tradeable does Murphy get shopped? New blood needs to play. |
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Post by BigT on Apr 7, 2020 15:49:17 GMT -6
Once again Bob, this is a classic case of mismanagement. Stan is trying so hard to be the smartest guy in the room. He’s hellbent on finding his “Sharp” or his “Hammer” in trades or draft or wherever. He’s just not a smart hockey guy. Instead of doing the right thing, he tries again the reinvent the round wheel. For every Panerin, there’s 30 fails. But we have to live with all those fails for years at a time. So the one gem he finds he screws up by tanking the rest of the roster. So far his gamble on defense has never ever paid off. He’s doing all the wrong things. What exactly is the plan Stan? There’s just no gawd damn way there’s a plan to rebuild the defense through the draft when they don’t even give any of them a true shot. Honest question. If Boqvist was picked in the 3rd round, does he get the pass he’s had? Personally. I say no. He’s been a rather weak link back there. When the Hawks best players are their best, then guys like Boqvist looks good. When the team dips, so does Boqvist. Right now, I don’t think Boqvist was much better than Gilbert. Boqvist had 13 points in 41 games, and a -3. Gilbo had 3 points in 21 games, and a -8. Boqvist seen almost double the ice time as Gilbo, yet Gilbo played tough minutes that probably resulted in his -8. While Boqvist gets PP time and is protected by playing with Keith. I’m not saying Boqvist is a bust, I’m merely saying he hasn’t been anything he’s been advertised. If he would a got 25 points in 41 games, I’d look past his weak defensive play and his injury proneness. It seems to me that the guys that should get a shot just aren’t , so that Stan’s playboys can get every opportunity. Which creates a massive logjam. Add in mind boggling signings and you have the current state of the Hawks. Why sign guys when you have a litany or 20-23 year old Dmen looking for a chance? I don’t get it!!! Boqvist gets a first round pass, of course, like many others before him. We have a lot of ex first rounders that were other teams pups getting second or third chances that lower picks would never get. Gilbert, 40% O-zone starts had a different job than Boqvist, 57% O-zone starts. Neither had a Corsi above 50%. I wish we’d seen more of Carlsson, who with 43% O- zone starts had a Corsi equal to and Fenwick higher than Boqvist. Getting a puck to the face is more bad luck than an indicator of brittleness, but Boqvist extended his history of concussions and was bothered by shoulder and wrist injuries. Beaudin is smallish but plays both sides and garnered nice reviews from Keith in his debut. Add in Mitchell and his will he, won’t he ongoing story and you have four smallish defense who can’t all be expected to make the team. If players like deHaan and Maata aren’t tradeable does Murphy get shopped? New blood needs to play. That’s pretty much my point. Gilbo was given a totally different job, and he wasn’t there to score. He didn’t get the chance to do it. I thought he was a very good 5-6 guy while he was up for a while. Boqvist has been meh or injured, although, he is young, but we’re gonna have to see more outta him soon. He’s starting to remind me of Ryan Murray. A lot of talent, but just can’t take a hit and then a fluke thing or 27 happen and you miss more games than you play. Also, the logjam is ridiculous. I think Koekkoek and Murphy will be shipped. If not Murphy, I believe Maatta will be gone. Maybe all three. So we’re basically going with with Keith/Boqvist deHaan/Mitchell Seabs/Carlsson and maybe Beaudin as a 7th. Or he fills in if Carlsson falls apart a bit or maybe deHaan literally falls apart. But I don’t see how they keep Murphy, Maatta and Koekkoek. Not with this many kids knocking on the door. Even if Beaudin goes to Rockford, I still think we’re stuck with Koekkoek cuz he’s much cheaper than Murphy. Whether we like it or not, theres another cap crunch coming. I think the most logical is what I proposed above to save money. We can save 8 million right there. But we have Dcat, Kubalik, Strome, and a couple others about to be paid or to be paid. I’m not sure 8 million is enough. I’d also have to think players are gonna have to take a 15% pay cut. The escrow will be far too high, but that’s another conversation I’m sure we’ll get into. Anyways, we have an awful situation again, no where to turn accept for kids. So I would t get too high on a playoff run!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 7, 2020 16:03:11 GMT -6
with all the signings that Stan made last off season (combined with Boqvist, Carlsson, and other prospects), I will honestly be shocked if he signs with the 'hawks at this point. Shea was a fourth rounder who decided to go the free agent route and with the cancellation of this ncaa hockey season, I won't be shocked if Mitchell goes back for his senior year and then sees who will give him a sweet deal and a better shot at making the Show in 2021.... as I said in the prospects thread, if he refuses to sign this spring, I would IMMEDIATELY trade him. actually, I'd rather just trade him now before that even gets out. could he end up great and it bites us in the ass down the road? sure. but it is better than getting nothing for him in a year.... Below is how I believe the rules work. Seems we have another year if Mitchell goes back for his senior year. But if he goes back I’d use him as a dangle to get another first round pick, maybe aim for Ottawa’s third 1st rounder this year. In most instances, an NCAA student-athlete or someone who becomes an NCAA student-athlete in the sport of men's ice hockey prior to June 1, after being drafted in the NHL Draft, will have his contract rights retained by his drafting club until August 15 following the graduation of his college class as long as he remains in school. Even if that drafted student-athlete were to leave school before his class graduates, his drafting club would hold rights to sign him until June 1 of the year four years after he was drafted. indeed. I am familiar with the rules, which is why I am advocating so strongly for trading him. if he goes back for his senior season, he is not coming to Chicago. him saying he wants to play in Denver another year is basically him saying he doesn't want to sign with the 'hawks, despite the bullshit that both sides will spew. personally, I don't think we should even give him the chance. I think we should just trade him at the draft or at least before he goes public with his intentions. make an attempt to sign him and if there is any wavering you move him now before the rest of the league knows they can get him for free next August. considering he is a fair prospect, I'd say packaging him with other picks or players might net us another first rounder, which we badly need. |
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Post by vadarx on Apr 7, 2020 16:07:23 GMT -6
A lotta great insight in this thread.....I enjoy the hell outta talkin' hockey with you all! I understand the 'what if Strome wants too much' viewpoint but we then have to figure out what 'too much' is and what it would cost to replace the player through trade or the FA market. I guess I value the 'strong up the middle' opinion more than our GM or he doesn't trade a 15-20 goal scoring,legit NHL center for a shell of a 4LW to save a million bucks. The team was fortunate to win cups in 10 & 13 without a true 2LC but those cups came on the strength of the rest of the roster and the ability of JT to do YEOMAN'S work. 15 doesn't happen without the additions of Richards and Vermette…..does it? I still marvel at how a young coach who's supposed to be good with young players separated his best two young forwards after the breakthrough and chemistry they had the year before. IMO,Kubalik/JT/Saad and Kane/Strome/D-Cat woulda gave the team two outstanding lines that and DOES spread the scoring out and fixing the bottom six shoulda been a piece o cake with the money SB wasted last summer. I see moving Strome as a major mistake and I'd go up to 4MX3 to keep him to be honest...….if you disagree,I'll respectfully ask you to list the centers on next year's roster. likewise, Bob! I'd do 4 for 3 for Stromer as well, but that is about as high as I would go I think. considering the cap ramifications of this virus-induced cancellation, there is a good chance we (and a bunch of other teams) are going to be in a major cap crunch next season. those previous numbers for cap increases we saw a while back for next season are going to get tossed out the window, imo. |
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Post by hsbob on Apr 7, 2020 16:30:15 GMT -6
A lotta great insight in this thread.....I enjoy the hell outta talkin' hockey with you all! I understand the 'what if Strome wants too much' viewpoint but we then have to figure out what 'too much' is and what it would cost to replace the player through trade or the FA market. I guess I value the 'strong up the middle' opinion more than our GM or he doesn't trade a 15-20 goal scoring,legit NHL center for a shell of a 4LW to save a million bucks. The team was fortunate to win cups in 10 & 13 without a true 2LC but those cups came on the strength of the rest of the roster and the ability of JT to do YEOMAN'S work. 15 doesn't happen without the additions of Richards and Vermette…..does it? I still marvel at how a young coach who's supposed to be good with young players separated his best two young forwards after the breakthrough and chemistry they had the year before. IMO,Kubalik/JT/Saad and Kane/Strome/D-Cat woulda gave the team two outstanding lines that and DOES spread the scoring out and fixing the bottom six shoulda been a piece o cake with the money SB wasted last summer. I see moving Strome as a major mistake and I'd go up to 4MX3 to keep him to be honest...….if you disagree,I'll respectfully ask you to list the centers on next year's roster. likewise, Bob! I'd do 4 for 3 for Stromer as well, but that is about as high as I would go I think. considering the cap ramifications of this virus-induced cancellation, there is a good chance we (and a bunch of other teams) are going to be in a major cap crunch next season. those previous numbers for cap increases we saw a while back for next season are going to get tossed out the window, imo. To be honest,I wonder what's goin' through Strome's mind after being separated from the sidekick that he broke through with last year. D-Cat had 28 5 on 5 goals last year and Strome had 34 assists and the two didn't play together the whole year and their third wheel was unimpressive most nights. Those two had real chemistry and confidence last year and separating the two young linemates was a major coaching fail as far as I'm concerned. He isn't Arb eligible so it'll be interesting to see how this works out but I have a feeling JC doesn't like him any more than he liked the Joker. |
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