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Apr 22, 2021 14:44:53 GMT -6
Post by hawkfaninpdx on Apr 22, 2021 14:44:53 GMT -6
Here's some news, scant as it may be, on Toews: dawindycity.com/2021/04/21/chicago-blackhawks-darren-dreger-gives-jonathan-toews-update/I was of the mind that Kane should've been dealt a couple of seasons ago, but since then I've come to see things a bit differently. Maybe Kane and Toews need to finish their playing days with Chicago. I am hoping that the new core can gel around their leadership and championship pedigree; and Toews, Kane, and Keith will pass the mantle to the new generation. Back in the early 2000's, when our "star" players were Arnason, Bell, Calder, and Ruutu, it was not much to gel a team around. It was easy to blow things up and hope for the best (in the evolutionary circles it's known as a 'hopeful monster' hypothesis). If Toews returns next year, there will be leadership for the young guys to emulate. We'll have to lose some young players, probably two or three of Suter, Gaudette, Kurashev, and Strome. I am fine with Suter being dealt; hoping that Kurashev will stick around. |
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Apr 22, 2021 15:03:58 GMT -6
Post by tincup on Apr 22, 2021 15:03:58 GMT -6
Here's some news, scant as it may be, on Toews: dawindycity.com/2021/04/21/chicago-blackhawks-darren-dreger-gives-jonathan-toews-update/I was of the mind that Kane should've been dealt a couple of seasons ago, but since then I've come to see things a bit differently. Maybe Kane and Toews need to finish their playing days with Chicago. I am hoping that the new core can gel around their leadership and championship pedigree; and Toews, Kane, and Keith will pass the mantle to the new generation. Back in the early 2000's, when our "star" players were Arnason, Bell, Calder, and Ruutu, it was not much to gel a team around. It was easy to blow things up and hope for the best (in the evolutionary circles it's known as a 'hopeful monster' hypothesis). If Toews returns next year, there will be leadership for the young guys to emulate. We'll have to lose some young players, probably two or three of Suter, Gaudette, Kurashev, and Strome. I am fine with Suter being dealt; hoping that Kurashev will stick around. I have a nagging suspicion that they might trade Kubalik sometime next year. To me it’s obvious coach Colliton treats him how a college student uses that old condom he’s had in his wallet since high school, pull it out when you really need it and hope it still works. Kubalik will be 26 next season and finishing up the last year of his contract at $4 million per. He’d garner a lot more than the fifth they used to get him. I’m not advocating for this at all, Kubalik is one of my faves, but Stan likes to try to parlay his Euro finds. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Apr 22, 2021 16:49:07 GMT -6
Here's some news, scant as it may be, on Toews: dawindycity.com/2021/04/21/chicago-blackhawks-darren-dreger-gives-jonathan-toews-update/I was of the mind that Kane should've been dealt a couple of seasons ago, but since then I've come to see things a bit differently. Maybe Kane and Toews need to finish their playing days with Chicago. I am hoping that the new core can gel around their leadership and championship pedigree; and Toews, Kane, and Keith will pass the mantle to the new generation. Back in the early 2000's, when our "star" players were Arnason, Bell, Calder, and Ruutu, it was not much to gel a team around. It was easy to blow things up and hope for the best (in the evolutionary circles it's known as a 'hopeful monster' hypothesis). If Toews returns next year, there will be leadership for the young guys to emulate. We'll have to lose some young players, probably two or three of Suter, Gaudette, Kurashev, and Strome. I am fine with Suter being dealt; hoping that Kurashev will stick around. I have a nagging suspicion that they might trade Kubalik sometime next year. T o me it’s obvious coach Colliton treats him how a college student uses that old condom he’s had in his wallet since high school, pull it out when you really need it and hope it still works. Kubalik will be 26 next season and finishing up the last year of his contract at $4 million per. He’d garner a lot more than the fifth they used to get him. I’m not advocating for this at all, Kubalik is one of my faves, but Stan likes to try to parlay his Euro finds. Yeah, it does seem like Kubalik is being under-utilized. Nonetheless, D-Cat and Kubalik are the only bona fide scorers that the Hawks have. Hopefully, if Toews returns next season, Kubalik will have another opportunity to shine and get 30+. |
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Apr 22, 2021 17:45:55 GMT -6
Post by vonbeck on Apr 22, 2021 17:45:55 GMT -6
I have a nagging suspicion that they might trade Kubalik sometime next year. T o me it’s obvious coach Colliton treats him how a college student uses that old condom he’s had in his wallet since high school, pull it out when you really need it and hope it still works. Kubalik will be 26 next season and finishing up the last year of his contract at $4 million per. He’d garner a lot more than the fifth they used to get him. I’m not advocating for this at all, Kubalik is one of my faves, but Stan likes to try to parlay his Euro finds. Yeah, it does seem like Kubalik is being under-utilized. Nonetheless, D-Cat and Kubalik are the only bona fide scorers that the Hawks have. Hopefully, if Toews returns next season, Kubalik will have another opportunity to shine and get 30+. But this is what's pissed me off about "Stain" Bowman and Colliton. They under utilize some guys that have potential or is an actual proven player. I don't know who to blame more.
Also the whole Toews thing is still a mystery. Will he be the same player like he was at the end of the 2020 season or has he deteriorated beyond a top six center???
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Apr 22, 2021 19:26:14 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Apr 22, 2021 19:26:14 GMT -6
Here's some news, scant as it may be, on Toews: dawindycity.com/2021/04/21/chicago-blackhawks-darren-dreger-gives-jonathan-toews-update/I was of the mind that Kane should've been dealt a couple of seasons ago, but since then I've come to see things a bit differently. Maybe Kane and Toews need to finish their playing days with Chicago. I am hoping that the new core can gel around their leadership and championship pedigree; and Toews, Kane, and Keith will pass the mantle to the new generation. Back in the early 2000's, when our "star" players were Arnason, Bell, Calder, and Ruutu, it was not much to gel a team around. It was easy to blow things up and hope for the best (in the evolutionary circles it's known as a 'hopeful monster' hypothesis). If Toews returns next year, there will be leadership for the young guys to emulate. We'll have to lose some young players, probably two or three of Suter, Gaudette, Kurashev, and Strome. I am fine with Suter being dealt; hoping that Kurashev will stick around. I have a nagging suspicion that they might trade Kubalik sometime next year. To me it’s obvious coach Colliton treats him how a college student uses that old condom he’s had in his wallet since high school, pull it out when you really need it and hope it still works. Kubalik will be 26 next season and finishing up the last year of his contract at $4 million per. He’d garner a lot more than the fifth they used to get him. I’m not advocating for this at all, Kubalik is one of my faves, but Stan likes to try to parlay his Euro finds. I can see this happening as well, especially if Tazer is back and Kubs subsequently has another 30 goal season. I think you can get a first rounder outta him at the deadline if this happens. if we are selling at the deadline, that is... |
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Apr 22, 2021 20:09:05 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Apr 22, 2021 20:09:05 GMT -6
I think it’s time for the Hawks and 19/88 to part ways. I’m not saying this outta anger or anything. But the team will not get better over night like Bowman led people to believe. So don’t waste their time or yours stan. The dream is over. I don’t see Toews coming back and getting 75 points. At 33, he’ll be a 45-55 point guy. Especially with this team. Dach doesn’t look very good these days. Boqvist just sucks. Kurashev has disappeared, and Suter is just too small. Not much to work with here!!! ...assuming they waive. There's no guarantee that they will and if they want to stay in Chicago, that's there right no matter how much fans and management wish upon a star. I don’t wish for them to be gone. But look at Anaheim. They had to buy Perry out and now Getzlaf isn’t worth anything. If the would wave, I’d do it in a western minute. I’m not throwing them to the wolves. It’s just a business decision. Detroit got absolutely nothing for their stars. And Datsyuk Shanghai’d them and retired which strapped them. It’s a business and a full rebuild would be so much faster than letting them fade away. The days of living in a fantasy and having these assets stay forever is over. Unless they’re like Mackinnon, and will take less for the sake of winning. If the Hawks are half their salaries, they could land quite a bit for them. And they could even take back a bad contract to get even more. Imagine what Florida would give up for them? If the Avs lose this year, Sakic will have to stop being conservative and just go for it. Byram and a 1st rounder could be had too for one of them. Anyways I think this way is the exact way the winged wheel went. They went to a budget youth movement around 2014, and it failed miserably and the kept Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and about 4-5 other decent assets. Looking back, what was the point? They could have been much further along. The Hawks are going down the same path. None of the kids look like the real deal, or even the medium deal!!! |
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Apr 22, 2021 21:50:10 GMT -6
Post by LordKOTL on Apr 22, 2021 21:50:10 GMT -6
...assuming they waive. There's no guarantee that they will and if they want to stay in Chicago, that's there right no matter how much fans and management wish upon a star. Not all fans my friend. Is Kane's departure really what you wish upon a star for? Nope. See below. ...assuming they waive. There's no guarantee that they will and if they want to stay in Chicago, that's there right no matter how much fans and management wish upon a star. I don’t wish for them to be gone. But look at Anaheim. They had to buy Perry out and now Getzlaf isn’t worth anything. If the would wave, I’d do it in a western minute. I’m not throwing them to the wolves. It’s just a business decision. Detroit got absolutely nothing for their stars. And Datsyuk Shanghai’d them and retired which strapped them. It’s a business and a full rebuild would be so much faster than letting them fade away. The days of living in a fantasy and having these assets stay forever is over. Unless they’re like Mackinnon, and will take less for the sake of winning. If the Hawks are half their salaries, they could land quite a bit for them. And they could even take back a bad contract to get even more. Imagine what Florida would give up for them? If the Avs lose this year, Sakic will have to stop being conservative and just go for it. Byram and a 1st rounder could be had too for one of them. Anyways I think this way is the exact way the winged wheel went. They went to a budget youth movement around 2014, and it failed miserably and the kept Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and about 4-5 other decent assets. Looking back, what was the point? They could have been much further along. The Hawks are going down the same path. None of the kids look like the real deal, or even the medium deal!!! I think my point was lost, but if Toews, Kane, etc. don't waive, there's not a damned thing we can do about it, nor the management. Fans can speculate about "looking into trading Kane", but if he wants to stay in Chicago, it's academic. Anyone could wish about what's best moving forward but it's academic, that die was cast when the NMC's were attached. Honestly though, keeping Kane wouldn't be a bad thing, assuming this situation was handled properly...which it hasn't been. Truthfully I could go either way. He's got a lot left in him and that can be very useful to a young club, but on the other hand if he wants out I won't begrudge him. Also, if the core "wastes" years by sticking with us and jamming the cap, it's also possibly it can bring about Bowman the Beancounter's well-deserved firing sooner rather than later. I think we're in agreeance that he's not the guy to build the next gen 'hawks. |
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Apr 23, 2021 7:22:25 GMT -6
Post by hsbob on Apr 23, 2021 7:22:25 GMT -6
I have a nagging suspicion that they might trade Kubalik sometime next year. T o me it’s obvious coach Colliton treats him how a college student uses that old condom he’s had in his wallet since high school, pull it out when you really need it and hope it still works. Kubalik will be 26 next season and finishing up the last year of his contract at $4 million per. He’d garner a lot more than the fifth they used to get him. I’m not advocating for this at all, Kubalik is one of my faves, but Stan likes to try to parlay his Euro finds. Yeah, it does seem like Kubalik is being under-utilized. Nonetheless, D-Cat and Kubalik are the only bona fide scorers that the Hawks have. Hopefully, if Toews returns next season, Kubalik will have another opportunity to shine and get 30+. Aren't you forgetting somone? |
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Apr 23, 2021 7:41:15 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Apr 23, 2021 7:41:15 GMT -6
Lordy, I don’t think your point was lost. I understand what you’re saying. But do they wanna stay when you’re not gonna de-sign them? Are they gonna get anything done in the next 2 years as they age? They probably aren’t the guys to lead the team to glory anymore. And that’s for the 2022 playoffs and beyond. Still very good effective players and fan faves. But we need newer versions of them. And the only place is through the draft. I fear the winged wheel is miles ahead of the Hawks. They have the cupboards almost full. Another good draft and the very thing is good...... for them!!!
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Apr 23, 2021 7:46:08 GMT -6
Post by hsbob on Apr 23, 2021 7:46:08 GMT -6
Not all fans my friend. Is Kane's departure really what you wish upon a star for? Nope. See below. I don’t wish for them to be gone. But look at Anaheim. They had to buy Perry out and now Getzlaf isn’t worth anything. If the would wave, I’d do it in a western minute. I’m not throwing them to the wolves. It’s just a business decision. Detroit got absolutely nothing for their stars. And Datsyuk Shanghai’d them and retired which strapped them. It’s a business and a full rebuild would be so much faster than letting them fade away. The days of living in a fantasy and having these assets stay forever is over. Unless they’re like Mackinnon, and will take less for the sake of winning. If the Hawks are half their salaries, they could land quite a bit for them. And they could even take back a bad contract to get even more. Imagine what Florida would give up for them? If the Avs lose this year, Sakic will have to stop being conservative and just go for it. Byram and a 1st rounder could be had too for one of them. Anyways I think this way is the exact way the winged wheel went. They went to a budget youth movement around 2014, and it failed miserably and the kept Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and about 4-5 other decent assets. Looking back, what was the point? They could have been much further along. The Hawks are going down the same path. None of the kids look like the real deal, or even the medium deal!!! I think my point was lost, but if Toews, Kane, etc. don't waive, there's not a damned thing we can do about it, nor the management. Fans can speculate about "looking into trading Kane", but if he wants to stay in Chicago, it's academic. Anyone could wish about what's best moving forward but it's academic, that die was cast when the NMC's were attached. Honestly though, keeping Kane wouldn't be a bad thing, assuming this situation was handled properly...which it hasn't been. Truthfully I could go either way. He's got a lot left in him and that can be very useful to a young club, but on the other hand if he wants out I won't begrudge him. Also, if the core "wastes" years by sticking with us and jamming the cap, it's also possibly it can bring about Bowman the Beancounter's well-deserved firing sooner rather than later. I think we're in agreeance that he's not the guy to build the next gen 'hawks. I'm sorry..........I thought I read 'Kane should be taken of the PP' and 'fans wish upon a star that Kane would waive' but I am getting old and I'm occasionally confused so maybe I'm wrong. I said I was good with moving K&T myself before JT's current health problem because it's agonizing to see them languish on a team with next to no shot and the resulting picks could bring us more 170lb Euros......and two other teams to follow too. I expected a shit ton of criticism the MINUTE Kane's production dropped off but we're talking about a guy tied for third in scoring and second in assists,the ONLY reason his goal scoring is down is skating with two different rookies every shift and pivots with a handful of helpers on the year. Kane and D-Cat were money together but just like K&T and Strome and D-Cat the year before........we rarely see it any more. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 23, 2021 12:18:17 GMT -6
Lordy, I don’t think your point was lost. I understand what you’re saying. But do they wanna stay when you’re not gonna de-sign them? Are they gonna get anything done in the next 2 years as they age? They probably aren’t the guys to lead the team to glory anymore. And that’s for the 2022 playoffs and beyond. Still very good effective players and fan faves. But we need newer versions of them. And the only place is through the draft. I fear the winged wheel is miles ahead of the Hawks. They have the cupboards almost full. Another good draft and the very thing is good...... for them!!! How do we know that they aren't going to re-sign them--specifically Kane? No official word has come out and all of the unofficial words that come through internet message board are almost invariably wrong. On one hand, Kane still has a lot in the tank and has been aging fairly well. On the other hand he, like Keith before him has been run roughshod so we're seeing late-season declines in his play. On a well-run team keeping Kane would be fine, but we're not a well-run team. The other aspect is that we don't know what Kane wants; we're not a member of his close family. He could want to stay in Chicago just like Campbell's and Seabrook's families went on record saying. If that's the case it's academic, he's going to stay at least through 2023. If he wants out though, I think the media would have a fucking field day (emphasis needed) because Kane, the face of the franchise, wants out. The winged Wheel might be miles ahead of us, but I think that's less on the fact that we still have Kane, Toews, Keith, and Seabrook on the books and more on how Bowman the Beancounter has run the team and his emphasis on trying to get them player who can make them because the stars they once were, rather than trying to slowly and methodically transition guys into their roles. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 23, 2021 12:29:59 GMT -6
Nope. See below. I think my point was lost, but if Toews, Kane, etc. don't waive, there's not a damned thing we can do about it, nor the management. Fans can speculate about "looking into trading Kane", but if he wants to stay in Chicago, it's academic. Anyone could wish about what's best moving forward but it's academic, that die was cast when the NMC's were attached. Honestly though, keeping Kane wouldn't be a bad thing, assuming this situation was handled properly...which it hasn't been. Truthfully I could go either way. He's got a lot left in him and that can be very useful to a young club, but on the other hand if he wants out I won't begrudge him. Also, if the core "wastes" years by sticking with us and jamming the cap, it's also possibly it can bring about Bowman the Beancounter's well-deserved firing sooner rather than later. I think we're in agreeance that he's not the guy to build the next gen 'hawks. I'm sorry..........I thought I read 'Kane should be taken of the PP' and 'fans wish upon a star that Kane would waive' but I am getting old and I'm occasionally confused so maybe I'm wrong. I said I was good with moving K&T myself before JT's current health problem because it's agonizing to see them languish on a team with next to no shot and the resulting picks could bring us more 170lb Euros......and two other teams to follow too. I expected a shit ton of criticism the MINUTE Kane's production dropped off but we're talking about a guy tied for third in scoring and second in assists,the ONLY reason his goal scoring is down is skating with two different rookies every shift and pivots with a handful of helpers on the year. Kane and D-Cat were money together but just like K&T and Strome and D-Cat the year before........we rarely see it any more. Don't worry about it. My comment was badly worded and my point was that we shouldn't be running Kane roughshod, and that I've seen in the past where players, on the 'hawks didn't have a Kane to rely on stepped up and started working nose-to-the-grindstone and found success. I think sometimes having that superstar, and the expectation that you always defer to them, hurts the team. Too many generals and not enough soldiers. Lowered production I get. Keith and Kane have been leaned on a lot this year (when they shouldn't have been--we're supposed to be rebuilding) and so their production will drop. It's only when they make stupid decisions that they deserve ire--just like anyone who should know better. But like I said in my previous post for BigT, this isn't a well-run team at this point. We should be taking guys like Debrincat and Strome and mentoring them better. We should be taking guys like Hagel and giving them opportunities to leverage their game better. Zaddy and Nyuk-nyuk should be given more of a free rein to be physical and encouraging the pack mentality. In fact, last game it was more the kids like Hagel, Suter, etc. where were taking the reigns in the comeback and it looked to my eye like Kane and Keith were positively following as opposed to being expected to be the ones to initiate the comeback. That's good. |
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Apr 23, 2021 18:24:53 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Apr 23, 2021 18:24:53 GMT -6
Lordy, I don’t think your point was lost. I understand what you’re saying. But do they wanna stay when you’re not gonna de-sign them? Are they gonna get anything done in the next 2 years as they age? They probably aren’t the guys to lead the team to glory anymore. And that’s for the 2022 playoffs and beyond. Still very good effective players and fan faves. But we need newer versions of them. And the only place is through the draft. I fear the winged wheel is miles ahead of the Hawks. They have the cupboards almost full. Another good draft and the very thing is good...... for them!!! to echo Lord, who says they won't re-sign them? who says either one doesn't want to be back? tbh, I see very few scenarios that involve 88 not playing his entire career in Chicago. he has a kid now. he is the face of the franchise now with no Toews around. the likelihood of Toews remaining after his deal is up probably isn't great at this point, so they'll be able to pay him plenty well to stay and be the new captain (if he isn't already). Toews, if he is able to come back and produce, will almost surely be asked to waive in his last season, imo, unless he agrees to take a huge pay cut after his deal is up. as far as the wangs go, I think they need more than one more good draft, but Stevie Y will have the cupboards stocked full in a couple years and then they will be a pain in my ass for a decade, I'm sure... only good part about that is I have all my fingers and toes crossed that Draper will be available and ready if/when we have an opening in Chicago in a few years... |
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Apr 23, 2021 22:00:33 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Apr 23, 2021 22:00:33 GMT -6
Lordy, I don’t think your point was lost. I understand what you’re saying. But do they wanna stay when you’re not gonna de-sign them? Are they gonna get anything done in the next 2 years as they age? They probably aren’t the guys to lead the team to glory anymore. And that’s for the 2022 playoffs and beyond. Still very good effective players and fan faves. But we need newer versions of them. And the only place is through the draft. I fear the winged wheel is miles ahead of the Hawks. They have the cupboards almost full. Another good draft and the very thing is good...... for them!!! to echo Lord, who says they won't re-sign them? who says either one doesn't want to be back? tbh, I see very few scenarios that involve 88 not playing his entire career in Chicago. he has a kid now. he is the face of the franchise now with no Toews around. the likelihood of Toews remaining after his deal is up probably isn't great at this point, so they'll be able to pay him plenty well to stay and be the new captain (if he isn't already). Toews, if he is able to come back and produce, will almost surely be asked to waive in his last season, imo, unless he agrees to take a huge pay cut after his deal is up. as far as the wangs go, I think they need more than one more good draft, but Stevie Y will have the cupboards stocked full in a couple years and then they will be a pain in my ass for a decade, I'm sure... only good part about that is I have all my fingers and toes crossed that Draper will be available and ready if/when we have an opening in Chicago in a few years... Again. When I said they won’t re-sign them, it’s if they’re in full rebuild mode.and paying 34/35 year old guys 8-9 million per for 4-5 more years ( which is what they’ll want, just like Pavelski, Thornton etc). I don’t blame them. But in a full rebuild mode, there’s absolutely no reason to re-sign them. So it was more of a hypothetical situation. I have no insight or knowledge what the Hawks will do in the coming years. But Toews and Kane probably make them a playoff team, and not a good one. Which leads to poor draft position.... again. So the full rebuild more than likely doesn’t begin until after they leave when their deals are done. I’ve stated many times what I would have done. So it’s clear where I stand. If it’s a rebuild, I would fully rebuild. If it’s a retooling, I’ve stated many times what I would have done. Not saying either would’ve been the best choice, but it’s hard to argue it’d be worse than what we’ve seen the last 5 years. As far as the wings go, I think they’ll be the best team in 3-4 years. I feel their drafts have been phenomenal, and they have a lot of picks in the next two drafts to restock, plus 2 very very good players that haven’t played for them yet in Seider and Raymond. Plus they’ll get a solid pick this year, and next year. So over the next 2 drafts they’ll be stacked. Like totally stacked. While the Hawks are looking more like the 2014 Wings,that are on the verge of a full rebuild. I promise this thing only gets a wee bit better, then falls apart and the full painful 10 year plan starts!!! |
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Post by hawks27 on Apr 24, 2021 21:40:59 GMT -6
I'm sorry..........I thought I read 'Kane should be taken of the PP' and 'fans wish upon a star that Kane would waive' but I am getting old and I'm occasionally confused so maybe I'm wrong. I said I was good with moving K&T myself before JT's current health problem because it's agonizing to see them languish on a team with next to no shot and the resulting picks could bring us more 170lb Euros......and two other teams to follow too. I expected a shit ton of criticism the MINUTE Kane's production dropped off but we're talking about a guy tied for third in scoring and second in assists,the ONLY reason his goal scoring is down is skating with two different rookies every shift and pivots with a handful of helpers on the year. Kane and D-Cat were money together but just like K&T and Strome and D-Cat the year before........we rarely see it any more. Don't worry about it. My comment was badly worded and my point was that we shouldn't be running Kane roughshod, and that I've seen in the past where players, on the 'hawks didn't have a Kane to rely on stepped up and started working nose-to-the-grindstone and found success. I think sometimes having that superstar, and the expectation that you always defer to them, hurts the team. Too many generals and not enough soldiers. Lowered production I get. Keith and Kane have been leaned on a lot this year (when they shouldn't have been--we're supposed to be rebuilding) and so their production will drop. It's only when they make stupid decisions that they deserve ire--just like anyone who should know better. But like I said in my previous post for BigT , this isn't a well-run team at this point. We should be taking guys like Debrincat and Strome and mentoring them better. We should be taking guys like Hagel and giving them opportunities to leverage their game better. Zaddy and Nyuk-nyuk should be given more of a free rein to be physical and encouraging the pack mentality. In fact, last game it was more the kids like Hagel, Suter, etc. where were taking the reigns in the comeback and it looked to my eye like Kane and Keith were positively following as opposed to being expected to be the ones to initiate the comeback. That's good. Good post. It is a sobering thought that our once-superstars are finally entering what could be the twilight of their careers. To realize they are actually mortals is sometimes lost when watching them in their hay days. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Apr 25, 2021 18:22:30 GMT -6
Don't worry about it. My comment was badly worded and my point was that we shouldn't be running Kane roughshod, and that I've seen in the past where players, on the 'hawks didn't have a Kane to rely on stepped up and started working nose-to-the-grindstone and found success. I think sometimes having that superstar, and the expectation that you always defer to them, hurts the team. Too many generals and not enough soldiers. Lowered production I get. Keith and Kane have been leaned on a lot this year (when they shouldn't have been--we're supposed to be rebuilding) and so their production will drop. It's only when they make stupid decisions that they deserve ire--just like anyone who should know better. But like I said in my previous post for BigT , this isn't a well-run team at this point. We should be taking guys like Debrincat and Strome and mentoring them better. We should be taking guys like Hagel and giving them opportunities to leverage their game better. Zaddy and Nyuk-nyuk should be given more of a free rein to be physical and encouraging the pack mentality. In fact, last game it was more the kids like Hagel, Suter, etc. where were taking the reigns in the comeback and it looked to my eye like Kane and Keith were positively following as opposed to being expected to be the ones to initiate the comeback. That's good. Good post. It is a sobering thought that our once-superstars are finally entering what could be the twilight of their careers. To realize they are actually mortals is sometimes lost when watching them in their hay days. True, but try to think about it this way: imagine, for a moment, that Toews, Kane, Keith, or Seabrook weren't 'hawks. Remember the good moments, and imagine if they were on some other team. Yeah, that would've sucked. I'm glad they all wore the indianhead. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 30, 2022 20:20:08 GMT -6
good news i reckon.
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Toews
Jan 30, 2022 20:24:13 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 30, 2022 20:24:13 GMT -6
Sounds good to me. Can you find a vid of the hit? |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 30, 2022 20:36:32 GMT -6
Sounds good to me. Can you find a vid of the hit? i looked for it the day it happened and just took another spin thru the world wide web but came up empty. kind of strange it's not out there but most of the pundits on twitter seemed to be unsure when it happened. (king did say it was "likely" a hit by detroit's joe veleno) anyways....the fact that he finished the game and that he's already hanging at the rink has to be seen as a good sign, even coming from a pollyanna like me. : ) |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 30, 2022 21:09:08 GMT -6
Sounds good to me. Can you find a vid of the hit? i looked for it the day it happened and just took another spin thru the world wide web but came up empty. kind of strange it's not out there but most of the pundits on twitter seemed to be unsure when it happened. (king did say it was "likely" a hit by detroit's joe veleno) anyways....the fact that he finished the game and that he's already hanging at the rink has to be seen as a good sign, even coming from a pollyanna like me. : ) Can't remember what period it was but the hit happened on the near side to the left, they showed a replay and the hit was in the back when Toews was a few feet from the boards and went face first into the boards. Didn't think he was injured because like you said, he finished the game. He got up pretty quick and didn't have signs of a concussion so that's a good sign as well, unlike after the Mitchell hit. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jan 30, 2022 21:14:50 GMT -6
i looked for it the day it happened and just took another spin thru the world wide web but came up empty. kind of strange it's not out there but most of the pundits on twitter seemed to be unsure when it happened. (king did say it was "likely" a hit by detroit's joe veleno) anyways....the fact that he finished the game and that he's already hanging at the rink has to be seen as a good sign, even coming from a pollyanna like me. : ) i just found this now. don't know why it didn't turn up before. |
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Toews
Jan 31, 2022 2:16:09 GMT -6
Post by Tater on Jan 31, 2022 2:16:09 GMT -6
i just found this now. don't know why it didn't turn up before. Man, I hate seeing that again in slow motion. |
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Toews
Jan 31, 2022 6:55:38 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 31, 2022 6:55:38 GMT -6
i just found this now. don't know why it didn't turn up before. Man, I hate seeing that again in slow motion. It's tough to watch. The ref was standing there watching the play and no penalty, Hagel took a really bad slash but it was behind the play so I can see how they missed it but that was a dangerous hit from behind and you can clearly see the ref looking at the play. There was another dirty hit at the same spot in the 3rd at 12:13 on Gus. He was facing the corner cause the puck was coming around the boards and just as he shot it an Avs player blindsided him into the boards. Again, the puck was there so a ref saw it but once again, no call. This game the refs were closer on the non calls than previous games vs the Avs but the Hawks non calls were hooks and holding, not dangerous hits and two handed slashes on the arms. |
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Toews
Jan 31, 2022 8:11:28 GMT -6
Post by phill9 on Jan 31, 2022 8:11:28 GMT -6
Man, I hate seeing that again in slow motion. It's tough to watch. The ref was standing there watching the play and no penalty, Hagel took a really bad slash but it was behind the play so I can see how they missed it but that was a dangerous hit from behind and you can clearly see the ref looking at the play. There was another dirty hit at the same spot in the 3rd at 12:13 on Gus. He was facing the corner cause the puck was coming around the boards and just as he shot it an Avs player blindsided him into the boards. Again, the puck was there so a ref saw it but once again, no call. This game the refs were closer on the non calls than previous games vs the Avs but the Hawks non calls were hooks and holding, not dangerous hits and two handed slashes on the arms. Slashes to the arms or hands are frequently not called. But break a stick with a slash, it's called 100% of the time. One of my all time pet peeves. |
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Toews
Jan 31, 2022 8:31:09 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jan 31, 2022 8:31:09 GMT -6
It's tough to watch. The ref was standing there watching the play and no penalty, Hagel took a really bad slash but it was behind the play so I can see how they missed it but that was a dangerous hit from behind and you can clearly see the ref looking at the play. There was another dirty hit at the same spot in the 3rd at 12:13 on Gus. He was facing the corner cause the puck was coming around the boards and just as he shot it an Avs player blindsided him into the boards. Again, the puck was there so a ref saw it but once again, no call. This game the refs were closer on the non calls than previous games vs the Avs but the Hawks non calls were hooks and holding, not dangerous hits and two handed slashes on the arms. Slashes to the arms or hands are frequently not called. But break a stick with a slash, it's called 100% of the time. One of my all time pet peeves. Especially when it's behind the play but you're right, they aren't called that often when it's on the arms or hands. When a stick breaks it's usually stick on stick and that's when it's called. I'm sure it was one of Mario Lemieuxs pet peeves as well, especially after his arm was broken from a slash. He did wear short gloves for stick handling and Don Cherry hated those, but still, guys shouldn't be slashing, especially around the wrists. |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 31, 2022 2:08:48 GMT -6
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Post by T-man2010 on Mar 31, 2022 8:07:10 GMT -6
The celebration party will be Sunday's game on April 3rd. against the Yotes  |
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Post by vadarx on Mar 31, 2022 16:28:50 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Mar 31, 2022 16:46:34 GMT -6
^^^ good read.
bob verdi has been around forever. i remember reading him in "the hockey news" where he wrote the hawks'articles when i was in my mid teens in the mid 70's.
he's listed as "76 or 77" on his wiki page, i thought he'd be a bit older tbh.
anyways....congrats cap'n.
didn't seem that long ago when many here thought he could be done. then when he came back thought he'd only play a limited amount.
man, it's nice to be wrong sometimes.
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Toews
Mar 31, 2022 17:06:39 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on Mar 31, 2022 17:06:39 GMT -6
^^^ good read. bob verdi has been around forever. i remember reading him in "the hockey news" where he wrote the hawks'articles when i was in my mid teens in the mid 70's. he's listed as "76 or 77" on his wiki page, i thought he'd be a bit older tbh. anyways....congrats cap'n. didn't seem that long ago when many here thought he could be done. then when he came back thought he'd only play a limited amount. man, it's nice to be wrong sometimes. didn't seem like he minded being around the young guys, did it? |
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