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Post by doogiew on May 17, 2020 6:46:15 GMT -6
Depending on where you get your info Beaudin is 5'11" 176 lbs. His stats on the Hawks website haven't changed since he was drafted. He's the same height as Drysdale and Boqvist. Also the kids prospect ranking dropped last season mostly due to him learning how to play the opposite side and better defensively. He's tougher than Boqvist as well in my opinion and Boqvist injury prone season proved that. Beaudin would be the easier trade I believe simply due to Boqvist injuries. Myself if I'm trading anyone for anything it would be Boqvist. Simply because he would bring a decent return and injuries. What the Hawks D lacks is size as almost all I have mentioned. I like Drysdale, there's a possibility that he might still grow some, but let's face it he's the same size as Boqvist, and Beaudin. Which is the same reasoning so many have for trading the killers B's haha. At this time I definitely don't see SB able to make a decent trade. I see others being traded before either. Stan isn't capable of making good trades for these two players and win. We don't need another Joker Nylander deal. Don’t fool yourself about Drysdale. This kid doesn’t need size, he’s the exception to the rule. He’s the first 17 year old dman to play top minutes for team Canada at the WJC. He’s NHL ready. He’s a Keith clone. Can’t miss prospect. We don’t have any of that in our system!!! I'm not fooling myself about Drysdale. The kids skating and hockey IQ are amazing. The difference between the player now and what we would see in the NHL are as any young Dman. If Drysdale thinks he's going to have the time and open ice he does in the OHL he is wrong. He would like any other player likely spend time in the AHL. The best Dman in this years draft no doubt I won't argue that for the two reasons I mentioned. I've seen him play against the colts and watch him on the sports package I have all season. Drysdale could go has high as number two ahead of Byfield I think he's that good. Seeing that we haven't had a clear decision as to the draft order I can't predict team needs. I still like the two young Dmen we have Boqvist not quite as much as Beaudin. Time will tell. I would trade up for Drydale however if I were to trade up I would choose one of the top two forwards. Like I keep saying if this team is to have a future it's time to start looking for Kane and Toews replacements. If Bowman and Colliton are left in charge however none of these things will happen. In fact I would predict a more hazardous trade such as the Joker trade. Where Bowman trades across or down, not up. Boqvist even with his injuries still would have a great trade value if put together with our current draft pick. That should definitely get a top five pick and in my opinion could land one of the top two players either Drydale or Byfield. With Boqvist being dealt it would also make room for Drysdale as both are righties and I would take Drysdale any day of the week. |
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Post by doogiew on May 17, 2020 7:02:31 GMT -6
Depending on where you get your info Beaudin is 5'11" 176 lbs. His stats on the Hawks website haven't changed since he was drafted. He's the same height as Drysdale and Boqvist. Also the kids prospect ranking dropped last season mostly due to him learning how to play the opposite side and better defensively. He's tougher than Boqvist as well in my opinion and Boqvist injury prone season proved that. Beaudin would be the easier trade I believe simply due to Boqvist injuries. Myself if I'm trading anyone for anything it would be Boqvist. Simply because he would bring a decent return and injuries. What the Hawks D lacks is size as almost all I have mentioned. I like Drysdale, there's a possibility that he might still grow some, but let's face it he's the same size as Boqvist, and Beaudin. Which is the same reasoning so many have for trading the killers B's haha. At this time I definitely don't see SB able to make a decent trade. I see others being traded before either. Stan isn't capable of making good trades for these two players and win. We don't need another Joker Nylander deal. I have NO problem with keeping Beaudin,he could develop into a fleet footed puck mover in time,I only point out how few D-men his size handle the demands of the league and there are few. I'd be more comfortable having two of our Lil' D-men on the ice at the same time if I haven't watched D-Cat,Boqvist and Dach get targeted with big hits(some borderline) with ZERO response from their team mates and this isn't only uncommon.......it's F'n unnatural IMO and isn't really seen on other teams. D-Cat had to go with Ritchie AND Getzlaf at the same time @5'9" 165lbs while his team mates scampered back to the bench and Hartman had to go with three Ducks himself a while back......something else you just won't see elsewhere. Mitch and Beau will both be 21 when play again and Boq will be 20,these guys are done growing. I think many teams take another 20 or so games to develop and assess a big,tough kid like Gilbert,even if he only ends up a 12 minute #6......he offers a level of protection these Lil dudes will need and is not supplied by anyone else...….if it's allowed at all. There are bigger,tougher D-cores in the league(just about all of em) who would love a speedy puck mover and would protect their small rook.....these teams could absorb one small D-man for that reason. I shudder to think of a lineup with all three in it. JMO I think we're on the same page size and skating ability going forward is a must. We have little size and skill and what we have is being mismanaged. To speculate what next seasons team will look like is anyone's guess. I think Colliton is likely a great guy just not ready and may never be ready for the NHL. Hell they're looking at trading Strome. Although not the most physical guy we can't be sure as this coach is seemingly some kind of pacifist. This is the NHL and hockey is and always will be a physical sport. I fear regardless of the player possibilities that with Bowman and Colliton around the most we'll ever see a first round knockouts if the Hawks ever make the playoffs again. |
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Post by hsbob on May 17, 2020 9:11:27 GMT -6
I have NO problem with keeping Beaudin,he could develop into a fleet footed puck mover in time,I only point out how few D-men his size handle the demands of the league and there are few. I'd be more comfortable having two of our Lil' D-men on the ice at the same time if I haven't watched D-Cat,Boqvist and Dach get targeted with big hits(some borderline) with ZERO response from their team mates and this isn't only uncommon.......it's F'n unnatural IMO and isn't really seen on other teams. D-Cat had to go with Ritchie AND Getzlaf at the same time @5'9" 165lbs while his team mates scampered back to the bench and Hartman had to go with three Ducks himself a while back......something else you just won't see elsewhere. Mitch and Beau will both be 21 when play again and Boq will be 20,these guys are done growing. I think many teams take another 20 or so games to develop and assess a big,tough kid like Gilbert,even if he only ends up a 12 minute #6......he offers a level of protection these Lil dudes will need and is not supplied by anyone else...….if it's allowed at all. There are bigger,tougher D-cores in the league(just about all of em) who would love a speedy puck mover and would protect their small rook.....these teams could absorb one small D-man for that reason. I shudder to think of a lineup with all three in it. JMO I think we're on the same page size and skating ability going forward is a must. We have little size and skill and what we have is being mismanaged. To speculate what next seasons team will look like is anyone's guess. I think Colliton is likely a great guy just not ready and may never be ready for the NHL. Hell they're looking at trading Strome. Although not the most physical guy we can't be sure as this coach is seemingly some kind of pacifist. This is the NHL and hockey is and always will be a physical sport. I fear regardless of the player possibilities that with Bowman and Colliton around the most we'll ever see a first round knockouts if the Hawks ever make the playoffs again. How ya doin' doogs?.....and yes,we are on the same page. We've all been up one side and down the other when it comes to the lack of physical play we see more often than not and also the lack of a response when needed. I say when needed only because I don't need a response to every hit but we do see most teams respond when their teenagers,their stars and their GT's are targeted.....we don't. NO,it's apparent JC hasn't required the response or pushback or else we'd see it but to be fair,this issue manifested itself a few years before his arrival.....or basically,ever since Shaw was traded. Q was never the biggest proponent of over the top physicality or goonin' around BUT re-watching PO games from all three cup runs showed a pretty physical team when necessary. We can debate why the drop-off in physically happened under both HC's the last 3-4 years but we can't debate the fact that smaller,less-physical palyers were added and the team also traded their hits leader and other physical players several times as well. I don't pretend to know how our players are instructed but I do know a player will hit if told to hit. I know nobody liked it but Craig Berube told his team to "skate through" opponents once the PO's started and they did exactly that all PO"s long,hell…..Tarasenko was blastin' guys. This was the same team the Hawks beat easily twice early that year without any physical price to pay for it. Strome's an interesting case study and so were a few others,I can all but guarantee Strome's a more physical player on another squad. Put Strome out with a burley,hard-nosed winger and you'd immediately have a tougher player,I remember Shaw with Strome and D-Cat a bit early on and I saw Strome grab a guy right away in front when a dust up started as they often do with Shaw out there. Another interesting case study was Zach Smith,this WAS a burley,hard-nosed winger with 36 NHL fights coming into this year yet he had one in his 50 games and that was only due to Boston demanding it after a big hit he put on one of their stars as they should have. This means a hard-nosed,veteran player with little else to offer at this point never ONCE came to the aid of a teammate as he had done in the past...….things happen for a reason. The team didn't get any more physical after Q left and we'll have to see if they get more physical now after McD left because if they don't,there's only one left......the one who acquired the smaller,less physical players and dumped the more physical players. With all due respect,I challenge anyone to point to the one or two players(and it really takes more than one or two)who'll have the ability AND the willingness to change the pack-mentality mindset on this team.....I sure as hell don't see em. IF ALLOWED! |
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2020 9:58:21 GMT -6
Don’t fool yourself about Drysdale. This kid doesn’t need size, he’s the exception to the rule. He’s the first 17 year old dman to play top minutes for team Canada at the WJC. He’s NHL ready. He’s a Keith clone. Can’t miss prospect. We don’t have any of that in our system!!! I'm not fooling myself about Drysdale. The kids skating and hockey IQ are amazing. The difference between the player now and what we would see in the NHL are as any young Dman. If Drysdale thinks he's going to have the time and open ice he does in the OHL he is wrong. He would like any other player likely spend time in the AHL. The best Dman in this years draft no doubt I won't argue that for the two reasons I mentioned. I've seen him play against the colts and watch him on the sports package I have all season. Drysdale could go has high as number two ahead of Byfield I think he's that good. Seeing that we haven't had a clear decision as to the draft order I can't predict team needs. I still like the two young Dmen we have Boqvist not quite as much as Beaudin. Time will tell. I would trade up for Drydale however if I were to trade up I would choose one of the top two forwards. Like I keep saying if this team is to have a future it's time to start looking for Kane and Toews replacements. If Bowman and Colliton are left in charge however none of these things will happen. In fact I would predict a more hazardous trade such as the Joker trade. Where Bowman trades across or down, not up. Boqvist even with his injuries still would have a great trade value if put together with our current draft pick. That should definitely get a top five pick and in my opinion could land one of the top two players either Drydale or Byfield. With Boqvist being dealt it would also make room for Drysdale as both are righties and I would take Drysdale any day of the week. In your or post that I quoted you were very concerned about size. Even with Drysdale. So that’s why I said I’d trade Boqvist and our first rounder to move up to get Drysdale. If we end up with Beaudin and say Drysdale on the same team, it doesn’t bother me, as Drysdale doesn’t get hit, and he’s just ridiculously smart. His size is a non issue like Keith. I do think the Sens would entertain a trade like that. They’re going to have 2 top 5 picks. Let’s say they have #2 and #4. I think they would trade the #4 for a young NHL dman and a top 10 pick. I really do. I know DJ, and he’s said that the Sens need a goalie for the future, and dmen that can play now. Since they’ll probably be waiting on Byfield for another year, they may also be waiting on Drysdale if they take him. So I think they’d like to have Askarov and Boqvist for the #4 instead. Just the feeling I got. But I doubt Stan makes any reasonable trade to better the team!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 17, 2020 10:33:49 GMT -6
I'm not fooling myself about Drysdale. The kids skating and hockey IQ are amazing. The difference between the player now and what we would see in the NHL are as any young Dman. If Drysdale thinks he's going to have the time and open ice he does in the OHL he is wrong. He would like any other player likely spend time in the AHL. The best Dman in this years draft no doubt I won't argue that for the two reasons I mentioned. I've seen him play against the colts and watch him on the sports package I have all season. Drysdale could go has high as number two ahead of Byfield I think he's that good. Seeing that we haven't had a clear decision as to the draft order I can't predict team needs. I still like the two young Dmen we have Boqvist not quite as much as Beaudin. Time will tell. I would trade up for Drydale however if I were to trade up I would choose one of the top two forwards. Like I keep saying if this team is to have a future it's time to start looking for Kane and Toews replacements. If Bowman and Colliton are left in charge however none of these things will happen. In fact I would predict a more hazardous trade such as the Joker trade. Where Bowman trades across or down, not up. Boqvist even with his injuries still would have a great trade value if put together with our current draft pick. That should definitely get a top five pick and in my opinion could land one of the top two players either Drydale or Byfield. With Boqvist being dealt it would also make room for Drysdale as both are righties and I would take Drysdale any day of the week. In your or post that I quoted you were very concerned about size. Even with Drysdale. So that’s why I said I’d trade Boqvist and our first rounder to move up to get Drysdale. If we end up with Beaudin and say Drysdale on the same team, it doesn’t bother me, as Drysdale doesn’t get hit, and he’s just ridiculously smart. His size is a non issue like Keith. I do think the Sens would entertain a trade like that. They’re going to have 2 top 5 picks. Let’s say they have #2 and #4. I think they would trade the #4 for a young NHL dman and a top 10 pick. I really do. I know DJ, and he’s said that the Sens need a goalie for the future, and dmen that can play now. Since they’ll probably be waiting on Byfield for another year, they may also be waiting on Drysdale if they take him. So I think they’d like to have Askarov and Boqvist for the #4 instead. Just the feeling I got. But I doubt Stan makes any reasonable trade to better the team!!! We have to remember that Mitchell(another undersized D-man)will be given every chance to make the roster if not a guaranteed spot after leaving college......I have to believe some assurances were made to get him to sign. As I said before,I have no problem with a smaller,fleet-footed,puck mover and a team that looked out for smaller,young players might even be able to absorb two but that ain't us and we might try three at the same time anyway......OHH,THE HUMANITY!LOL! Kids like Drysdale will naturally put on another 10-15lbs @17-18 but Mitchell's 21 and Beaudin will be when next season starts too.....these guys are done growing. If they could have bulked up further without losing speed and quickness,they woulda done so by now. I'd still like to see ALL D prospects get two years in the 'A' to grow up physically and mentally but the game unfortunately doesn't allow it any more. I have some confidence after a decent draft or two but I totally agree with you as far as trades,I have NO confidence after last summers shit show! |
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Post by BigT on May 17, 2020 11:35:51 GMT -6
In your or post that I quoted you were very concerned about size. Even with Drysdale. So that’s why I said I’d trade Boqvist and our first rounder to move up to get Drysdale. If we end up with Beaudin and say Drysdale on the same team, it doesn’t bother me, as Drysdale doesn’t get hit, and he’s just ridiculously smart. His size is a non issue like Keith. I do think the Sens would entertain a trade like that. They’re going to have 2 top 5 picks. Let’s say they have #2 and #4. I think they would trade the #4 for a young NHL dman and a top 10 pick. I really do. I know DJ, and he’s said that the Sens need a goalie for the future, and dmen that can play now. Since they’ll probably be waiting on Byfield for another year, they may also be waiting on Drysdale if they take him. So I think they’d like to have Askarov and Boqvist for the #4 instead. Just the feeling I got. But I doubt Stan makes any reasonable trade to better the team!!! We have to remember that Mitchell(another undersized D-man)will be given every chance to make the roster if not a guaranteed spot after leaving college......I have to believe some assurances were made to get him to sign. As I said before,I have no problem with a smaller,fleet-footed,puck mover and a team that looked out for smaller,young players might even be able to absorb two but that ain't us and we might try three at the same time anyway......OHH,THE HUMANITY!LOL! Kids like Drysdale will naturally put on another 10-15lbs @17-18 but Mitchell's 21 and Beaudin will be when next season starts too.....these guys are done growing. If they could have bulked up further without losing speed and quickness,they woulda done so by now. I'd still like to see ALL D prospects get two years in the 'A' to grow up physically and mentally but the game unfortunately doesn't allow it any more. I have some confidence after a decent draft or two but I totally agree with you as far as trades,I have NO confidence after last summers shit show! I’d have to think that no team will harbour 3 smaller puck moving dmen, 4 if you have Keith as one too. I think we’d get slaughtered on any given night. It seems like Stan is absolutely hellbent on making a smaller team that’s unrealistic skill and speed. It’s never been done, and I don’t think it ever will get done...... with success. I think it’s stupid at best to have all the same type on the same team at the same time. The reason is they don’t have the support cast they need, and then they get traded and they have a proper team with them and they’ll look much better and Stan got nothing again. I heard Stan say they “can always add size later”. Now that seems feasible. However it’s not like another team only drafted size and it’s a perfect match for a trade. Personally, I’d love to see Mitchell become a solid player, I’ve watched him since bantam. But I’m not sure he’s made to be a solid player in the nhl. I’ve always said I do not like players that spend the extra time in college. It would a been better he went to the farm for a year first. Now he stayed in a slower league and not as good, as an older player, not smart in my eyes. If he was in the AHL, he’d have learnt the pro game and develop further and lose the bad habits. Sikura did the same thing. Not comparing to the two, but they both looked impressive as a 21/22 year old vs 18/19 year old kids. I guess the odd one makes it through what I consider career suicide, but there’s way more that don’t make it by taking the longer NCAA route. Also, it must suck to be drafted by the Hawks. Most are traded away or don’t make it. So there’s definitely a development problem with the Hawks. I’ve warned many over the years, and I’m saying it again. If Stan stays, we have a decade of Therion to look forward to. Things will be much worse if we didn’t have Toews and Kane. I think this may be the worst constructed roster in the history of the NHL if it weren’t for those 2. I really mean that too!!! |
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Post by hsbob on May 19, 2020 9:57:20 GMT -6
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Post by tincup on May 19, 2020 18:51:30 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on May 19, 2020 19:25:09 GMT -6
i like the mitchell/makar comparison, even if mitchell is a "poor man's makar." demin assuming a bigger role next year in denver bodes well also. |
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Post by BigT on May 19, 2020 19:51:46 GMT -6
That has to be one of the worst written articles ever written.
First. They compare Mitchell to Makar, who’s a very highly gifted offensive player. Then they say Mitchell is not offensive and he’s a stay at home dman. Then they say Boqvist is more offensive than Mitchell and they’d be a great pair. Then they say Mitchell could be like Duncan Keith.
Do they even know who any of these players are or what their capabilities are? I’ve lost a lot of respect, or most of it for Blackhawkup. They just don’t have the info I look for, but rather a horrible opinion!!!
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Post by doogiew on May 20, 2020 5:12:48 GMT -6
That has to be one of the worst written articles ever written. First. They compare Mitchell to Makar, who’s a very highly gifted offensive player. Then they say Mitchell is not offensive and he’s a stay at home dman. Then they say Boqvist is more offensive than Mitchell and they’d be a great pair. Then they say Mitchell could be like Duncan Keith. Do they even know who any of these players are or what their capabilities are? I’ve lost a lot of respect, or most of it for Blackhawkup. They just don’t have the info I look for, but rather a horrible opinion!!! Some articles we read are often fodder as is this one. I have no idea why any writer would go out on a limb in this matter comparing Mitchell and Makar. There is no comparison at this time that's certain. It's certainly not a comparison such as Gretzky and Lemieux . Mitchell has yet to play a game in the NHL and to make such claims is unfair to Mitchell. This team simply brought to many small Dmen on at once. Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell are high end talent. There is hope with the likes of Vlasic, Regula, even Moberg. The thing is all three players are going to require time in the AHL. They have the size and skill this team will need but the transition to the NHL is going to a long one in my opinion. I believe that Boqvist is the better of all our small Dmen but he has to prove he can play through injury or better still avoid injury. Beaudin could be attractive to a team like Ottawa as he is French Canadian and they help draw the Ottawa fans from the Ottawa Hall area. As much as I like Beaudin. He is in my opinion the more attractive player to dangle as trade bait. I really don't see Stan trading his pet picks in Mitchell or Boqvist. Stan has not been one to give up on his projects even if one is named David Rundblad. Lastly on the three big Dmen. I wouldn't project any of them higher than three four. Moberg's potential is highly dependent on what he can transition to in the AHL, as he could become a Seabs type player but again this will require time. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 20, 2020 5:28:38 GMT -6
no comparison between mitchell and makar, i suppose. one drafted 4th, one drafted 57th, same year.
but, they've both followed similar paths. both 21 yr. old alberta boys who played in the AJHL (alberta junior league), then followed up in the u.s. playing college hockey.
but it's obvious to see why they would be compared to each other even if they're not quite on the same level talent wise.
edit: hopefully when mitchell wins the norris and the calder in his first season these silly comparisons will stop. : )
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Post by galaxytrash on May 20, 2020 6:57:57 GMT -6
This team simply brought to many small Dmen on at once. besides joker for nylander, this is my single biggest gripe about bowman. |
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Post by hsbob on May 20, 2020 8:23:14 GMT -6
I dunno,I guess they gotta talk about something. Yeah,the comparison does seem optimistic but they did add the "poor man's" part as gt mentioned.
My immediate question is,what's the plan? What's the plan RIGHT NOW with the three,highly touted prospects,let alone a decent looking Carlsson and a much needed physical D-man like Gilbert who'd come in handy with all the Lil dudes?
Is there actually a plan to move 2-3 rostered D-men to clear the logjam?
Convince Seabs to waive and eat half the $$$? Move 2 or all 3 of Murph,Maata and deHaan if not? What kind of gapping hole would that leave?
Can Boqvist stay healthy enough to develop.....kid's talented.
Did Mitchell get a guarantee as lesser NCAA players have gotten? If so,how would a demotion to Rockford sit with him.
Beaudin is a fast player with a high IQ but where does that get him unless the logjam is cleared?
Raise your hand if you trust Stan Bowman's ability to answer these questions because he'll have to and soon.
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Post by galaxytrash on May 20, 2020 8:33:43 GMT -6
Raise your hand if you trust Stan Bowman's ability to answer these questions because he'll have to and soon. the good news is that his reverse lights are working, all his rear view mirrors are in place and set perfectly, and the backup "beep beep beep" is working. the bad news is that stan has backed into a corner and he can't find a forward gear. |
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Post by hsbob on May 20, 2020 8:35:50 GMT -6
That has to be one of the worst written articles ever written. First. They compare Mitchell to Makar, who’s a very highly gifted offensive player. Then they say Mitchell is not offensive and he’s a stay at home dman. Then they say Boqvist is more offensive than Mitchell and they’d be a great pair. Then they say Mitchell could be like Duncan Keith. Do they even know who any of these players are or what their capabilities are? I’ve lost a lot of respect, or most of it for Blackhawkup. They just don’t have the info I look for, but rather a horrible opinion!!! Some articles we read are often fodder as is this one. I have no idea why any writer would go out on a limb in this matter comparing Mitchell and Makar. There is no comparison at this time that's certain. It's certainly not a comparison such as Gretzky and Lemieux . Mitchell has yet to play a game in the NHL and to make such claims is unfair to Mitchell. This team simply brought to many small Dmen on at once. Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell are high end talent. There is hope with the likes of Vlasic, Regula, even Moberg. The thing is all three players are going to require time in the AHL. They have the size and skill this team will need but the transition to the NHL is going to a long one in my opinion. I believe that Boqvist is the better of all our small Dmen but he has to prove he can play through injury or better still avoid injury. Beaudin could be attractive to a team like Ottawa as he is French Canadian and they help draw the Ottawa fans from the Ottawa Hall area. As much as I like Beaudin. He is in my opinion the more attractive player to dangle as trade bait. I really don't see Stan trading his pet picks in Mitchell or Boqvist. Stan has not been one to give up on his projects even if one is named David Rundblad. Lastly on the three big Dmen. I wouldn't project any of them higher than three four. Moberg's potential is highly dependent on what he can transition to in the AHL, as he could become a Seabs type player but again this will require time. Your bolded still begs the question of why SB or any GM moves a #1 pick D-man who made the league at 19,is a much needed right shot and has 20lbs on the other top propects…..those 20lbs helped the 20yro play em all this year too IMO? There are only two possible answers here.... SB and JC both either lost confidence in a kid that Q played right off the bat,(I believe he stays if either guy demanded it) or they wanted Nolander bad enough to trade the young D-man...…..both poor answers IMO. |
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Post by hsbob on May 20, 2020 8:49:01 GMT -6
Raise your hand if you trust Stan Bowman's ability to answer these questions because he'll have to and soon. the good news is that his reverse lights are working, all his rear view mirrors are in place and set perfectly, and the backup "beep beep beep" is working. the bad news is that stan has backed into a corner and he can't find a forward gear. 'Grinding gears' isn't the plan I'd hoped for to be honest. |
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Post by BigT on May 20, 2020 14:25:51 GMT -6
This team simply brought to many small Dmen on at once. besides joker for nylander, this is my single biggest gripe about bowman. I’m not against a smaller guy. I’m against smaller “guys”. I guess you can always trade one? But why draft something you never use, especially when your trade history is worse than the NYSE right now? I hope Mitchell turns out, but something will have to give with the other kids back there. Now I fear he’ll trade the wrong one in one of his “lateral” trades!!! |
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Post by doogiew on May 21, 2020 7:12:47 GMT -6
Some articles we read are often fodder as is this one. I have no idea why any writer would go out on a limb in this matter comparing Mitchell and Makar. There is no comparison at this time that's certain. It's certainly not a comparison such as Gretzky and Lemieux . Mitchell has yet to play a game in the NHL and to make such claims is unfair to Mitchell. This team simply brought to many small Dmen on at once. Boqvist, Beaudin, Mitchell are high end talent. There is hope with the likes of Vlasic, Regula, even Moberg. The thing is all three players are going to require time in the AHL. They have the size and skill this team will need but the transition to the NHL is going to a long one in my opinion. I believe that Boqvist is the better of all our small Dmen but he has to prove he can play through injury or better still avoid injury. Beaudin could be attractive to a team like Ottawa as he is French Canadian and they help draw the Ottawa fans from the Ottawa Hall area. As much as I like Beaudin. He is in my opinion the more attractive player to dangle as trade bait. I really don't see Stan trading his pet picks in Mitchell or Boqvist. Stan has not been one to give up on his projects even if one is named David Rundblad. Lastly on the three big Dmen. I wouldn't project any of them higher than three four. Moberg's potential is highly dependent on what he can transition to in the AHL, as he could become a Seabs type player but again this will require time. Your bolded still begs the question of why SB or any GM moves a #1 pick D-man who made the league at 19,is a much needed right shot and has 20lbs on the other top propects…..those 20lbs helped the 20yro play em all this year too IMO? There are only two possible answers here.... SB and JC both either lost confidence in a kid that Q played right off the bat,(I believe he stays if either guy demanded it) or they wanted Nolander bad enough to trade the young D-man...…..both poor answers IMO. My opinion is that both are true. One of the first things Colliton did was send Joker down. I also believe They wanted Nylander no idea why? Buffalo likely wanted Joker in return and with Colliton's obvious dislike it made Stan' decision easy. I also believe another Dman prospect or two will go. Take your pick but I think Boqvist, and Mitchell stay. Beuadin needs to play a few more games to be showcased, so if he starts the season I can see him dealt by ten games in unless he plays so well hey can't trade him. I think also that Carlsson although a hard working prospect may have his days numbered. |
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Post by galaxytrash on May 21, 2020 7:23:08 GMT -6
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Post by hsbob on May 21, 2020 8:45:09 GMT -6
Your bolded still begs the question of why SB or any GM moves a #1 pick D-man who made the league at 19,is a much needed right shot and has 20lbs on the other top propects…..those 20lbs helped the 20yro play em all this year too IMO? There are only two possible answers here.... SB and JC both either lost confidence in a kid that Q played right off the bat,(I believe he stays if either guy demanded it) or they wanted Nolander bad enough to trade the young D-man...…..both poor answers IMO. My opinion is that both are true. One of the first things Colliton did was send Joker down. I also believe They wanted Nylander no idea why? Buffalo likely wanted Joker in return and with Colliton's obvious dislike it made Stan' decision easy. I also believe another Dman prospect or two will go. Take your pick but I think Boqvist, and Mitchell stay. Beuadin needs to play a few more games to be showcased, so if he starts the season I can see him dealt by ten games in unless he plays so well hey can't trade him. I think also that Carlsson although a hard working prospect may have his days numbered. The number of scenarios as far as next year's D is dizzying doogs,I appreciate your suggestions. The three top D prospects is a situation in itself IMO,since they're all talented kids,it should be a good situation for the Org but if moving one(seems to be the consensus on the boards)is necessary......I hope the return is a proper one but my confidence is at an all time low for anything proper after last summer. The Jokiharju trade is a good insight into JC's assessment ability and his synergy with SB,that synergy convinced SB to trade his 1st round pick,D-man who made it at 19. The assessment was a bad one on JC's part and there's no way around that,JC didn't send Joker down immediately since he started 23 games after Q 's dumping but his minutes were cut and he was taken off the 1st pair,he was also in and out of the lineup before finally being sent down. I dunno if it was the Org who spread the 'bad attitude' stuff that made it's way around after the trade but the kid helped his country shut down NHL players in the WC while still 19 and played em all for a demanding Ralph Krueger this year......his next two HC's had ZERO problems with his 'attitude'. One of the factors missed in this deal was keeping the young,promising D-man would have made acquiring both veterans last summer unnecessary and to prove that,acquiring Joker allowed Buffalo to dump Bogosian's deal and it allowed the trade of Scandella too. |
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Post by hsbob on May 21, 2020 8:53:57 GMT -6
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Post by vadarx on May 21, 2020 10:29:55 GMT -6
agree on both counts, Bob. wonder if they hang onto Subban now..... |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 21, 2020 10:59:42 GMT -6
Yeah that's strange Subban wasn't mentioned and they forgot to add that Namilov never played for Rockford because of the shutdown, plus Peeters missed almost a full season because of a shoulder injury. Not the best writing. It's to bad Gravel had a freak injury this season but he seemed to come back with no issues. But his numbers dropped because of the high turnover from the Memorial Cup final team from the year before. I would've given him an ELC. I'm sure one of them would've been signed if Namilov didn't show he's willing to come to North America and start in Rockford. Big Basse is their next project, hopefully the 6'6" goalie progresses to the NHL and plays for the Hawks. |
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Post by hsbob on May 31, 2020 8:08:35 GMT -6
I'm sure it's just me but I can't help but notice a few things about this list of 'Black aces'.
First off,Nolander and Highmore are rostered players and T.J. Brenan will NEVER see the light of day.
Brandon Hagel is said to go to the tough areas and get his hose dirty,IMO attempting this at the NHL level at 174lbs is gonna be tough,Shaw's a bigger,tougher player and it's tough for him! YES,the small framed forward can excel on the perimeter IF they're fast and talented but haven't we seen the small framed players like DC and Shaw who do play tough pay a big price almost every year? Or is it just me again?
Sikura? I think we all know about Sikura at this point.
Kurashev IS a talented prospect with a enough meat on his bones to withstand what the league dishes out IMO......as a wise man once said "we'll see".
Beaudin and Mitchell are also highly talented kids who'll also do their best to withstand what the league dishes out but without that 'meat on their bones' part,I hope both highly rated,small framed prospects can endure and prosper here I really do!
Dennis Gilbert.....see T.J. Brenan.
Why on earth wouldn't one of the few large framed forward/centers we do have like Entwistle who had a decent AHL season be considered a 'Black ace'?
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Post by galaxytrash on May 31, 2020 8:24:49 GMT -6
I'm sure it's just me but I can't help but notice a few things about this list of 'Black aces'. is there a list out already? |
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Post by hsbob on May 31, 2020 8:27:20 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on May 31, 2020 8:59:19 GMT -6
the only game of the season i couldn't (didn't) watch was the last one against the sharks. we were with my family on a beach somewhere and the wifi was good enough but i was too hung down to string the cables to my laptop so i just listened to john and troy on the phone. if i'v known it would be the last game...
of course i'm bias towards western canadian kids so was disappointed to miss hagel's 15 shifts.by all accounts on the GDT he was alright.
i hope he draws in for all 19 wins. : )
or at least makes the list.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on May 31, 2020 13:39:20 GMT -6
the only game of the season i couldn't (didn't) watch was the last one against the sharks. we were with my family on a beach somewhere and the wifi was good enough but i was too hung down to string the cables to my laptop so i just listened to john and troy on the phone. if i'v known it would be the last game... of course i'm bias towards western canadian kids so was disappointed to miss hagel's 15 shifts.by all accounts on the GDT he was alright. i hope he draws in for all 19 wins. : ) or at least makes the list. You might remember on the old boards but I started a Hagel thread not long after he was signed, I followed him closely and watched highlights from almost every game plus his time in Rockford. He's like his Red Deer coach Brent Sutter, very hard worker on both ends of the ice with decent hands, especially around the net. Yeah he's only around 180lbs but at least he's 6'1" with a good work ethic. Not sure why Nylander is considered a black ace 🤔 |
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Post by hsbob on Jun 1, 2020 7:50:38 GMT -6
the only game of the season i couldn't (didn't) watch was the last one against the sharks. we were with my family on a beach somewhere and the wifi was good enough but i was too hung down to string the cables to my laptop so i just listened to john and troy on the phone. if i'v known it would be the last game... of course i'm bias towards western canadian kids so was disappointed to miss hagel's 15 shifts.by all accounts on the GDT he was alright. i hope he draws in for all 19 wins. : ) or at least makes the list. You might remember on the old boards but I started a Hagel thread not long after he was signed, I followed him closely and watched highlights from almost every game plus his time in Rockford. He's like his Red Deer coach Brent Sutter, very hard worker on both ends of the ice with decent hands, especially around the net. Yeah he's only around 180lbs but at least he's 6'1" with a good work ethic. Not sure why Nylander is considered a black ace 🤔 When I mention players size,I use the height and weight listed on the team's official site(5"11' 174lbs). Do they just not update these figures as prospects age? Where do you find updated player info? It's startin' to dawn on me......I better accept the small framed player or follow another team. |
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