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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 1, 2020 10:01:10 GMT -6
You might remember on the old boards but I started a Hagel thread not long after he was signed, I followed him closely and watched highlights from almost every game plus his time in Rockford. He's like his Red Deer coach Brent Sutter, very hard worker on both ends of the ice with decent hands, especially around the net. Yeah he's only around 180lbs but at least he's 6'1" with a good work ethic. Not sure why Nylander is considered a black ace 🤔 When I mention players size,I use the height and weight listed on the team's official site(5"11' 174lbs). Do they just not update these figures as prospects age? Where do you find updated player info? It's startin' to dawn on me......I better accept the small framed player or follow another team.  I like HockeyDB, I noticed they update their site daily, well when there was games played, so they might be more accurate with lesser know players. We both want a big team and since the Hoss trade they've been trending in the right direction, especially last years draft, now they just need bigger guys who can play now.
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Post by hsbob on Jun 2, 2020 8:11:50 GMT -6
When I mention players size,I use the height and weight listed on the team's official site(5"11' 174lbs). Do they just not update these figures as prospects age? Where do you find updated player info? It's startin' to dawn on me......I better accept the small framed player or follow another team. I like HockeyDB, I noticed they update their site daily, well when there was games played, so they might be more accurate with lesser know players. We both want a big team and since the Hoss trade they've been trending in the right direction, especially last years draft, now they just need bigger guys who can play now. Dach's a big kid(wish he'd play like it more often) and that size allowed him to absorb a LOT of big hits last year......not sure anyone came to teenager's aid once. Vlasic's a big kid too but he's some time off with MANY young D-men in front of him,other than these two and Regula,the prospect landscape is littered with 160-180lb players with FEW exceptions. I'd post a link to the prospects roster again but I'm sure we all how to find it...…...it speaks for itself. We do need bigger guys who can play,I'm told we can always get those guys later but it's later than we think.
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Post by hsbob on Jun 17, 2020 7:33:36 GMT -6
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 18, 2020 6:19:29 GMT -6
bob, thanks for posting the link. Maybe Vlasic will make the junior team this year. I clicked on the link about him being one of 13 cuts from the roster at last year's Summer Showcase and one of the other 13 players also cut last year was Slava Demin. Apparently Demin wasn't invited this year.
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Post by hsbob on Jun 18, 2020 8:09:32 GMT -6
bob, thanks for posting the link. Maybe Vlasic will make the junior team this year. I clicked on the link about him being one of 13 cuts from the roster at last year's Summer Showcase and one of the other 13 players also cut last year was Slava Demin. Apparently Demin wasn't invited this year. I'm intrigued by the kid's size as much as anything since I've only seen a few highlights but those highlights show some skating ability too and that's a real good combo on the backend IMO. I'd like to see a few more with some size in the system but Regula's about it unless the staff SHOCKS me and gives Gilbert another chance.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 19, 2020 12:15:28 GMT -6
bob, thanks for posting the link. Maybe Vlasic will make the junior team this year. I clicked on the link about him being one of 13 cuts from the roster at last year's Summer Showcase and one of the other 13 players also cut last year was Slava Demin. Apparently Demin wasn't invited this year. I'm intrigued by the kid's size as much as anything since I've only seen a few highlights but those highlights show some skating ability too and that's a real good combo on the backend IMO. I'd like to see a few more with some size in the system but Regula's about it unless the staff SHOCKS me and gives Gilbert another chance. Â Â Â 6'6" and being a smooth agile skater is very intriguing, he could've went late in the 1st, so getting him in the 2nd is a good pick. Plus 6'6" Basse in net is intriguing as well. Both guys are teenagers so they might gain another inch or 2. I really hope the staff shocks us, sometimes you can't go by Corsi numbers and use your eyes, Gilbert is a warrior and battles hard plus protects his goalie and teammates, something the Hawks desperately need.
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 19, 2020 14:47:57 GMT -6
I'm intrigued by the kid's size as much as anything since I've only seen a few highlights but those highlights show some skating ability too and that's a real good combo on the backend IMO. I'd like to see a few more with some size in the system but Regula's about it unless the staff SHOCKS me and gives Gilbert another chance. 6'6" and being a smooth agile skater is very intriguing, he could've went late in the 1st, so getting him in the 2nd is a good pick. Plus 6'6" Basse in net is intriguing as well. Both guys are teenagers so they might gain another inch or 2. I really hope the staff shocks us, sometimes you can't go by Corsi numbers and use your eyes, Gilbert is a warrior and battles hard plus protects his goalie and teammates, something the Hawks desperately need. Isn't Basse supposed to play at Colorado College this season? I seem to remember last year he was to go to Col. College but delayed going for a year. Hopefully playing at CC might give us a bit of an idea where he is development wise after academy hockey and a year in the USHL. He'll be the equivalent of college sophomore at CC. His stats in the USHL weren't very good but I think he also was not on a very good team.
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Post by BigT on Jun 19, 2020 15:43:32 GMT -6
6'6" and being a smooth agile skater is very intriguing, he could've went late in the 1st, so getting him in the 2nd is a good pick. Plus 6'6" Basse in net is intriguing as well. Both guys are teenagers so they might gain another inch or 2. I really hope the staff shocks us, sometimes you can't go by Corsi numbers and use your eyes, Gilbert is a warrior and battles hard plus protects his goalie and teammates, something the Hawks desperately need. Isn't Basse supposed to play at Colorado College this season? I seem to remember last year he was to go to Col. College but delayed going for a year. Hopefully playing at CC might give us a bit of an idea where he is development wise after academy hockey and a year in the USHL. He'll be the equivalent of college sophomore at CC. His stats in the USHL weren't very good but I think he also was not on a very good team. One thing to keep in mind too, the USHL really isn’t that good of a league. It’s equivalent to what we call Jr B here in Ontario. So I’d have to think that this Basse kid has some ways to go. Usually what happens with kids like him is their original team gives up on them at age 24/25 and they become a Ben Bishop or Dubnyk. Not all make it. We should all know this by now. The best odds are to draft the best talented players at all positions. I think where the Hawks went wrong is their idea of talent. For some reason small seemed to be what they considered talent. For the most part, almost all of their smaller picks really didn’t have high end talent. More or less wishful thinking. If the Hawks pick 9/10/11/12 and Askarov is there, they’d be fools not to take him. This kid has always been younger than his competition, and he’s been very good. Wait till he grows and learns the game, I think this kid will be something special. Not taking him because you’ve got other goalies in your system would be the same as passing up on McDavid because you have 4 centers in your system. You should always take the best player available or trade down and take the positional player you want!!!
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 19, 2020 17:28:01 GMT -6
^^ I agree you take the best player because they give you the best odds of getting a good NHL'er. One thing about Askarov is with him as the starter, assuming he develops, you wouldn't have to worry about the #1 goalie position for years. In what I've read about him, he did seem to play a decent amount at a level above his age group; especially last year. What I don't want to see happen in net is we try to get by with a G('s) that are decent players but not real high level guys, and maybe a little inconsistent, so we don't get a lot of stability over a longer term and end up changing goalies every so often. We'll just have to wait to see what the Hawks do and keep in mind Askarov could go before the Hawks pick; assuming there's a team picking ahead of them that have a real need in goal and really want YA, thinking he's too good to pass up.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 19, 2020 18:45:48 GMT -6
One thing to keep in mind too, the USHL really isn’t that good of a league. It’s equivalent to what we call Jr B here in Ontario. you might be ruffling the feathers of some USHL fans with that comment. : ) the USHL currently has 17 teams and in the 2019 draft produced 54 players including 9 in the 1st round. the entire junior B system across canada (called the CJHL collectively) has 132 teams in 10 different leagues and they produced 11 players in the same draft with just one 1st rounder. personally i know very little about either league....just throwing out some numbers that are out there.
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Post by hsbob on Jun 20, 2020 6:38:13 GMT -6
I'm intrigued by the kid's size as much as anything since I've only seen a few highlights but those highlights show some skating ability too and that's a real good combo on the backend IMO. I'd like to see a few more with some size in the system but Regula's about it unless the staff SHOCKS me and gives Gilbert another chance. 6'6" and being a smooth agile skater is very intriguing, he could've went late in the 1st, so getting him in the 2nd is a good pick. Plus 6'6" Basse in net is intriguing as well. Both guys are teenagers so they might gain another inch or 2. I really hope the staff shocks us, sometimes you can't go by Corsi numbers and use your eyes, Gilbert is a warrior and battles hard plus protects his goalie and teammates, something the Hawks desperately need. I can't say that I wouldn't of liked to see a bit more O outta the kid but he played his entire 1st NCAA season as a 18yro against older players. His size could easily give him the ability to absorb the physical play much like Dach did this year. I've had my say as far as Gilbert but I still didn't see his play deserving of demotion,much like Joker the year before. I don't remember much criticism of Gilbert but I do recall appreciation for his style of play from most here but what do we know. He needed more games under his belt IMO. It was refreshing seeing a D-man rub an onrushing forward off against the boards instead of waving his stick and backing up into CC's lap. It was refreshing to see a guy throw opponents the F outta the crease(CC and Lehner both appreciated that) and even more refreshing seeing a guy throw a big hit and answer the bell if somebody didn't like it...…..he expected opponents to answer the bell also. The kid walked the walk and talked the talk physically,he shoulda been the #6 for this reason alone,more development and assessment would have been a result too.
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Post by BigT on Jun 20, 2020 6:40:34 GMT -6
One thing to keep in mind too, the USHL really isn’t that good of a league. It’s equivalent to what we call Jr B here in Ontario. you might be ruffling the feathers of some USHL fans with that comment. : ) the USHL currently has 17 teams and in the 2019 draft produced 54 players including 9 in the 1st round. the entire junior B system across canada (called the CJHL collectively) has 132 teams in 10 different leagues and they produced 11 players in the same draft with just one 1st rounder. personally i know very little about either league....just throwing out some numbers that are out there. 99% of players usually head to the CHL. JrB is basically the farm of the CHL. Some kids choose to stay there due to it being in their home town and travel is much less. Now, I don’t know if anyone has read the news about what has gone on in the CHL. Carcillo made his accusations. A few others too. I know a few that have played in the OHL and they said nothing like that took place on their teams. My buddy Brett was a Captain and he would never ever tolerate that sht. I hope they’re just isolated incidents here and there and they can eliminate that terrible treatment of these young men. Parents trust that their kid will be in good care and not subjected to harassment. I’m not a Carcillo fan at all, just check out his spat with Bissonette, how he repeatedly called him the N word due to Paul’s mother being black. Biz called him out many times on it and rightfully so. However, as a kid, no one deserves to be treated like they’re allegations say. A couple others I know said some stupid things went on but nothing even close to that. I know my Spitfires had a major incident with Downey and Aliu. The league stepped in and supposedly put an end to it. I hope if any of this is true, which it sounds like it is as more and more are coming out with it. The league needs to make sure the kids are safe and protected against the dirty sht that’s been going on. I think for the most part it’s cleaned up nowadays. It’s a big business and with cell phones everywhere, people can take pics or video of these things. I think these kids need training on how to act and be professionals. I get it they’re kids and they’ll act up, but I wouldn’t want to subject my child to that. I know a lot of teams have built places where the kids can hang out now in their arenas. My buddy got us into Oshawa’s arena where he played. The owners allowed him to get our team in the dressing room, meet the players before a game. They have this awesome gym down there and a huge living room/ kitchen that’s stocked with food for them to hang out and be supervised. They close it around 9 or 10 and the kids can go back to their billets. Maybe every team should be forced to have something like that? I sure hope that the allegations where the last of it. That all happened in the early 2000’s. My buddy played then too for Oshawa, Guelph and the Soo. Terrible stuff to hear. Hopefully it’s over, teams gotta be better from the top on down!!!
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Post by BigT on Jun 20, 2020 6:51:42 GMT -6
^^ I agree you take the best player because they give you the best odds of getting a good NHL'er. One thing about Askarov is with him as the starter, assuming he develops, you wouldn't have to worry about the #1 goalie position for years. In what I've read about him, he did seem to play a decent amount at a level above his age group; especially last year. What I don't want to see happen in net is we try to get by with a G('s) that are decent players but not real high level guys, and maybe a little inconsistent, so we don't get a lot of stability over a longer term and end up changing goalies every so often. We'll just have to wait to see what the Hawks do and keep in mind Askarov could go before the Hawks pick; assuming there's a team picking ahead of them that have a real need in goal and really want YA, thinking he's too good to pass up.  He’s the youngest goalie to win a game in the KHL, at age 17. That’s impressive. He’ll be ready before many know it. I don’t think it’ll take 2 years. He’ll be playing like Price or Fleury!!!
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Post by shooter61 on Jun 20, 2020 8:47:23 GMT -6
^^ I agree you take the best player because they give you the best odds of getting a good NHL'er. One thing about Askarov is with him as the starter, assuming he develops, you wouldn't have to worry about the #1 goalie position for years. In what I've read about him, he did seem to play a decent amount at a level above his age group; especially last year. What I don't want to see happen in net is we try to get by with a G('s) that are decent players but not real high level guys, and maybe a little inconsistent, so we don't get a lot of stability over a longer term and end up changing goalies every so often. We'll just have to wait to see what the Hawks do and keep in mind Askarov could go before the Hawks pick; assuming there's a team picking ahead of them that have a real need in goal and really want YA, thinking he's too good to pass up. He’s the youngest goalie to win a game in the KHL, at age 17. That’s impressive. He’ll be ready before many know it. I don’t think it’ll take 2 years. He’ll be playing like Price or Fleury!!! Or he could be a bust , it's had to tell with goalies, for every cary price their are a few Al Montoya's , chad picket's ,jack campbells,all were touted as franchise goalies, we have to remember they are just kids, nothing is certain, depending on where we pick, I personally don't think we will see any games this year, I know Bettman is pushing it hard , but I don't think they will get their shit together in time ,I'm not saying he will be a bust, and would even take him, if we had the chance, and was the best player available
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Post by BigT on Jun 20, 2020 11:43:25 GMT -6
He’s the youngest goalie to win a game in the KHL, at age 17. That’s impressive. He’ll be ready before many know it. I don’t think it’ll take 2 years. He’ll be playing like Price or Fleury!!! Or he could be a bust , it's had to tell with goalies, for every cary price their are a few Al Montoya's , chad picket's ,jack campbells,all were touted as franchise goalies, we have to remember they are just kids, nothing is certain, depending on where we pick, I personally don't think we will see any games this year, I know Bettman is pushing it hard , but I don't think they will get their shit together in time ,I'm not saying he will be a bust, and would even take him, if we had the chance, and was the best player available But every kid could have the same said about them. Have to take the best player. Don’t forget, in the dead puck era, we heard a lot more about goalies. Now a days you just don’t see teams wasting higher picks on them cuz they’re all roughly the same. They play the angles and are more of a shot blocker than goalies. Very rarely do we hear about an actual athletic goalie that’s turning heads at every level. I’d take him, unless there was a guy we had ranked very high that was about to fall in our laps!!!
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Post by vadarx on Jun 20, 2020 17:35:50 GMT -6
Or he could be a bust , it's had to tell with goalies, for every cary price their are a few Al Montoya's , chad picket's ,jack campbells,all were touted as franchise goalies, we have to remember they are just kids, nothing is certain, depending on where we pick, I personally don't think we will see any games this year, I know Bettman is pushing it hard , but I don't think they will get their shit together in time ,I'm not saying he will be a bust, and would even take him, if we had the chance, and was the best player available But every kid could have the same said about them. Have to take the best player. I’d take him, unless there was a guy we had ranked very high that was about to fall in our laps!!! same here. unless someone falls to us, there is a fair chance he is the best available when we are on the clock.
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Post by BigT on Jun 20, 2020 20:01:37 GMT -6
But every kid could have the same said about them. Have to take the best player. I’d take him, unless there was a guy we had ranked very high that was about to fall in our laps!!! same here. unless someone falls to us, there is a fair chance he is the best available when we are on the clock. If we do draft 9th. I could see someone in front taking Askarov, which would be great, cuz that would mean either Perfetti or Lundell would fall to us. Perfetti is the real deal. Check out his DB, he was the best player on the ice every shift at the under 18s last year. He also got 111 points in 61 games. 37 goals to boot. That was as a 17 year old. Yes he’s a bit smaller at 5’11” 177. But he’s a gamer. Another kid to keep an eye on is Jack Quinn. He’s a late birthday. He just missed the cut off by 4 days. Anyways. He came in this year barely on the radar. He got 32 points in 61 games last year. This season he got 89 points in 62 games. 52 goals. He’s ranked in the late 1st round. But this is where I’d love to have a 2nd rounder, which Stan trades away too much. I think this kid may end up moving up very quickly. May end up around the mid teens. One thing is for sure, this is a very deep draft. There’s a good chance we land a decent player at 9 or even 10. Even with Stan picking it may be hard to screw up!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 20, 2020 21:36:27 GMT -6
Or he could be a bust , it's had to tell with goalies, for every cary price their are a few Al Montoya's , chad picket's ,jack campbells,all were touted as franchise goalies, we have to remember they are just kids, nothing is certain, depending on where we pick, I personally don't think we will see any games this year, I know Bettman is pushing it hard , but I don't think they will get their shit together in time ,I'm not saying he will be a bust, and would even take him, if we had the chance, and was the best player available this was posted a couple or so months ago, maybe you've already seen it. (there's 2 pages...65 goalies taken in the 1st round since the draft began back in 1963) you're rolling the dice picking a goalie in the first round but then again you're rolling the dice who ever you pick i guess. but i think as first rounders, goalies are a bit riskier. hawks have picked a goalie in the 1st round twice. (jimmy waite taken 8th overall in 1987 and adam munro taken 29th in 2001) www.quanthockey.com/nhl-draft/en/round/1-round-draft-picks-goalies-all-time-games-played-leaders.html
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Post by shooter61 on Jun 20, 2020 22:25:28 GMT -6
Or he could be a bust , it's had to tell with goalies, for every cary price their are a few Al Montoya's , chad picket's ,jack campbells,all were touted as franchise goalies, we have to remember they are just kids, nothing is certain, depending on where we pick, I personally don't think we will see any games this year, I know Bettman is pushing it hard , but I don't think they will get their shit together in time ,I'm not saying he will be a bust, and would even take him, if we had the chance, and was the best player available But every kid could have the same said about them. Have to take the best player. Don’t forget, in the dead puck era, we heard a lot more about goalies. Now a days you just don’t see teams wasting higher picks on them cuz they’re all roughly the same. They play the angles and are more of a shot blocker than goalies. Very rarely do we hear about an actual athletic goalie that’s turning heads at every level. I’d take him, unless there was a guy we had ranked very high that was about to fall in our laps!!! 90% of playing net now is angles and blocking shots, and goalies, will tell you that their best play is making the shots hit you,1st round picks are a gamble, more so with a goalie , I have faith in Kelly and the scouts, not saying it's a bad pick, but don't think the Hawks make it
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Post by hsbob on Jul 3, 2020 9:24:21 GMT -6
Well,he's not our prospect but I remember talking about this kid after watching him in the U18's a few summers ago. www.nhl.com/devils/news/three-things-time-to-get-the-bahl-rolling/c-317297888I have an obvious penchant for the large framed defenseman but I thought this kid was where he was supposed to be all the time when I saw him play and young D-men are rarely where they're supposed to be half the time let alone all the time. The Devils might have one hell of a young D tandem on their hands.
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Post by BigT on Jul 3, 2020 12:47:35 GMT -6
Well,he's not our prospect but I remember talking about this kid after watching him in the U18's a few summers ago. www.nhl.com/devils/news/three-things-time-to-get-the-bahl-rolling/c-317297888I have an obvious penchant for the large framed defenseman but I thought this kid was where he was supposed to be all the time when I saw him play and young D-men are rarely where they're supposed to be half the time let alone all the time. The Devils might have one hell of a young D tandem on their hands. He looks to be a good prospect. Plus that size will come in handy. Remember our chats about Serron Noel? The 6’5” power forward? I met him this year when my buddy who played for Oshawa got our team to get into the Oshawa Generals dressing room and tour the facilities on game day. It was really cool for the kids to see that and meet them. But Serron was absolutely huge and a nice kid. He hit everything in sight that night. I seen him again in Windsor and he hit everything in sight. I think he’ll be a good NHLer!!!
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 17, 2020 8:30:17 GMT -6
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 22, 2020 20:35:59 GMT -6
the young man isn't lacking confidence, that's for sure.
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Post by galaxytrash on Jul 22, 2020 20:37:25 GMT -6
hmmm. i thought the flyers let him walk.
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Post by hsbob on Aug 31, 2020 17:16:48 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Aug 31, 2020 19:34:36 GMT -6
That’s very respectful of the NCAA. I know the NCAA and the CHL are rivals, but that’s a great gesture to have their kids play elsewhere. Now, on the on the other side of the coin, if you’re a CHL team, do you take on these said players, when they may not be there the whole year or you may have to cut someone you could develop? It’s tough to do, hopefully the top end kids go to a top team and only an over ager gets dealt away!!!
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Post by hsbob on Sept 1, 2020 7:39:42 GMT -6
That’s very respectful of the NCAA. I know the NCAA and the CHL are rivals, but that’s a great gesture to have their kids play elsewhere. Now, on the on the other side of the coin, if you’re a CHL team, do you take on these said players, when they may not be there the whole year or you may have to cut someone you could develop? It’s tough to do, hopefully the top end kids go to a top team and only an over ager gets dealt away!!! Thought the article said NCAA kids couldn't play in the CHL because it's considered a professional league.
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 1, 2020 8:04:03 GMT -6
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Post by tincup on Sept 1, 2020 9:11:55 GMT -6
Not unexpected. But I’m glad he came over to take his shot. Lucas Carlsson will take the same route in a year if he doesn’t make the team this time around. Gotta keep things fresh on the farm.
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Post by nighbor on Sept 2, 2020 15:27:46 GMT -6
That’s very respectful of the NCAA. I know the NCAA and the CHL are rivals, but that’s a great gesture to have their kids play elsewhere. Now, on the on the other side of the coin, if you’re a CHL team, do you take on these said players, when they may not be there the whole year or you may have to cut someone you could develop? It’s tough to do, hopefully the top end kids go to a top team and only an over ager gets dealt away!!! Thought the article said NCAA kids couldn't play in the CHL because it's considered a professional league. Just the major junior hockey leagues (OHL, QMJHL and the WHL) are considered professional, but not the many other North American junior leagues.
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