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Post by reylohawks on Sept 30, 2024 20:18:38 GMT -6
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Post by Nikos on Sept 30, 2024 20:56:27 GMT -6
Not sure who this guy is, but interesting take on our prospects. He racks them in a pyramid format with categories like core, depth, maybes, etc. He does like Nazar as a 200' player and feels Moore was an absolute steal, just needs to see how much his offense develops. He also says he would not have drafted Levshunov at #2, says he is not sure about his offense. Again, do not this guy, his reputation, knowledge or frame of reference. Has he seen any of these guys actually play, not sure. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Sept 30, 2024 21:16:35 GMT -6
Not sure who this guy is, but interesting take on our prospects. Again, do not this guy, his reputation, knowledge or frame of reference. Has he seen any of these guys actually play, not sure. he's got a twitter account, many of his followers are "hockey people" i recognize. tony ferrari (from the hockey news), cam robinson (scout), kevin weekes, scott powers, james duthie (tsn), hockey DB among others. i haven't watched it yet but i will when this friedman podcast I'm listening to is done. seems like a guy with some knowledge. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Sept 30, 2024 21:50:14 GMT -6
Seems pretty accurate, of course guys can move up or down though. Bedard and Korchinski aren't on his list because they played a season but Bedard is a franchise player of course, and Korchinski's a core guy. Levshunov, Nazar, and Moore with Korchinski as core guys looks good. Then there's the next group, 2 or more should become a core guy, like Rinzel, Boisvert, or Vanacker. But there's also potential with other guys on the next level like Del Mastro, Allan, and now, Spellacy. And like Byfuglien or Zetterberg, there could be a diamond with a lower pick. It'll be fun watching how these guys progress over the years. |
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Post by reylohawks on Oct 1, 2024 12:52:48 GMT -6
Another prospect video. The common theme is Nazir and Levahunov look to be legit and the other guys can expedite the process if they can at least be contributing players.
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Post by BigT on Oct 1, 2024 13:56:05 GMT -6
There’s always a surprise somewhere in between. A Hagel type or someone you never seen making it. On the flip side, only about 15-20% make it from drafting. Usually more make it from rebuilding teams. So you can count on 2 outta every 10 make it. I heard Tallon say before you need at least 30 players to sift from. Usually takes 5-6 drafts to fully rebuild. Hawks will have their 4th draft of this rebuild at the end of this season. So I don’t really see any way to expedite a rebuild. It would 💯 come down to luck.
So if the Hawks get lucky, and have 3-4 make it out of 10 players. And then 2 outta 10 for the rest. You’ve got a solid 7-8 keepers and more than likely your core group to move forward with.
Right now I think it’s just too early to label anything yet. Whether we like it or not, Levshunov may take 4-5 years to reach his potential. He may very well need 2 years in the farm. Same for Nazar, Moore, EDM, Allan, Boisvert Vanacker etc etc. So the heavy drafting has been done, since the Hawks only have one franchise type player to show for all of that.
This is why I thought one more year of tank was warranted. I know it’s not popular. But another top 3 pick would be welcomed. Maybe this team finishes there anyways? It would be a welcomed burden!!!
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Post by hsbob on Oct 2, 2024 11:26:35 GMT -6
There’s always a surprise somewhere in between. A Hagel type or someone you never seen making it. On the flip side, only about 15-20% make it from drafting. Usually more make it from rebuilding teams. So you can count on 2 outta every 10 make it. I heard Tallon say before you need at least 30 players to sift from. Usually takes 5-6 drafts to fully rebuild. Hawks will have their 4th draft of this rebuild at the end of this season. So I don’t really see any way to expedite a rebuild. It would 💯 come down to luck. So if the Hawks get lucky, and have 3-4 make it out of 10 players. And then 2 outta 10 for the rest. You’ve got a solid 7-8 keepers and more than likely your core group to move forward with. Right now I think it’s just too early to label anything yet. Whether we like it or not, Levshunov may take 4-5 years to reach his potential. He may very well need 2 years in the farm. Same for Nazar, Moore, EDM, Allan, Boisvert Vanacker etc etc. So the heavy drafting has been done, since the Hawks only have one franchise type player to show for all of that. This is why I thought one more year of tank was warranted. I know it’s not popular. But another top 3 pick would be welcomed. Maybe this team finishes there anyways? It would be a welcomed burden!!! I don't disagree that it "usually takes 5-6 drafts to fully rebuild" but this rebuild has seen EIGHT drafts' worth of 1st and 2nd round picks the last three drafts alone! I believe this,and the team's available cap-space going forward should be a massive advantage for any Org.......massive. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 2, 2024 11:59:13 GMT -6
There’s always a surprise somewhere in between. A Hagel type or someone you never seen making it. On the flip side, only about 15-20% make it from drafting. Usually more make it from rebuilding teams. So you can count on 2 outta every 10 make it. I heard Tallon say before you need at least 30 players to sift from. Usually takes 5-6 drafts to fully rebuild. Hawks will have their 4th draft of this rebuild at the end of this season. So I don’t really see any way to expedite a rebuild. It would 💯 come down to luck. So if the Hawks get lucky, and have 3-4 make it out of 10 players. And then 2 outta 10 for the rest. You’ve got a solid 7-8 keepers and more than likely your core group to move forward with. Right now I think it’s just too early to label anything yet. Whether we like it or not, Levshunov may take 4-5 years to reach his potential. He may very well need 2 years in the farm. Same for Nazar, Moore, EDM, Allan, Boisvert Vanacker etc etc. So the heavy drafting has been done, since the Hawks only have one franchise type player to show for all of that. This is why I thought one more year of tank was warranted. I know it’s not popular. But another top 3 pick would be welcomed. Maybe this team finishes there anyways? It would be a welcomed burden!!! I don't disagree that it "usually takes 5-6 drafts to fully rebuild" but this rebuild has seen EIGHT drafts' worth of 1st and 2nd round picks the last three drafts alone! I believe this,and the team's available cap-space going forward should be a massive advantage for any Org.......massive. That's why I disagree with BT saying one more tank job would've been warranted, Tallon never had 8 first round picks in 3yrs. Kane went #1, Toews #3, the rest of the guys weren't drafted in the top10, similar to now with Bedard and Levshunov going 1-2 overall. With the many picks the past 3yrs, plus picks going back to 2019, the rebuild is set. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 2, 2024 14:13:08 GMT -6
I don't disagree that it "usually takes 5-6 drafts to fully rebuild" but this rebuild has seen EIGHT drafts' worth of 1st and 2nd round picks the last three drafts alone! I believe this,and the team's available cap-space going forward should be a massive advantage for any Org.......massive. That's why I disagree with BT saying one more tank job would've been warranted, Tallon never had 8 first round picks in 3yrs. Kane went #1, Toews #3, the rest of the guys weren't drafted in the top10, similar to now with Bedard and Levshunov going 1-2 overall. With the many picks the past 3yrs, plus picks going back to 2019, the rebuild is set. There’s only so much talent each draft. That is why it takes 5-6 drafts. I’m a little worried about the last regimes fellas. We keep hearing that they’re something special, and they haven’t cracked an NHL lineup 4-5 years later. At what point do we say they haven’t worked out? If you haven’t made the NHL by age 22. It’s looking worse and worse for you. Also, we just have to stop believing that things will work out the same as last time. It’s not gonna be anywhere near that and it doesn’t look anything like it. Hawks got lucky and got back to back hall of famers in the draft. And ended up with 4-5. We have to hope we have NHLers first this time round. Sometimes, you gotta let the kids fail. Many many players have had a rough first couple years. Only to come out stronger. I think KK should stay on the Hawks and give him the same opportunity as he’d have in the farm. Let him earn little by little. What would it hurt to try him on the PP? Seth is ok, but I feel kk is the better QB and fit. Seth is more of a shooter. Not a QB!!! |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 2, 2024 17:32:38 GMT -6
That's why I disagree with BT saying one more tank job would've been warranted, Tallon never had 8 first round picks in 3yrs. Kane went #1, Toews #3, the rest of the guys weren't drafted in the top10, similar to now with Bedard and Levshunov going 1-2 overall. With the many picks the past 3yrs, plus picks going back to 2019, the rebuild is set. I think KK should stay on the Hawks and give him the same opportunity as he’d have in the farm. Let him earn little by little. What would it hurt to try him on the PP? Seth is ok, but I feel kk is the better QB and fit. Seth is more of a shooter. Not a QB!!! certainly the majority of the time was on the 2nd unit but KK was second among chicago's d-men in TOI on the PP with 135:50 which was well behind seth's 214:08 but heaps ahead of vlasic whose 55:34 was 3rd. in fact he was 44th in the league among d-men which i gotta' say isn't bad considering he was the youngest defenseman to play last year league-wide by over 4 months. KK actually led the team among in PP points per game per 60 minutes of ice time at 3.09 compared to seth's 2.52. so likely more time on the 1st unit was/is warranted. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 2, 2024 19:16:04 GMT -6
That's why I disagree with BT saying one more tank job would've been warranted, Tallon never had 8 first round picks in 3yrs. Kane went #1, Toews #3, the rest of the guys weren't drafted in the top10, similar to now with Bedard and Levshunov going 1-2 overall. With the many picks the past 3yrs, plus picks going back to 2019, the rebuild is set. There’s only so much talent each draft. That is why it takes 5-6 drafts. I’m a little worried about the last regimes fellas. We keep hearing that they’re something special, and they haven’t cracked an NHL lineup 4-5 years later. At what point do we say they haven’t worked out? If you haven’t made the NHL by age 22. It’s looking worse and worse for you. Also, we just have to stop believing that things will work out the same as last time. It’s not gonna be anywhere near that and it doesn’t look anything like it. Hawks got lucky and got back to back hall of famers in the draft. And ended up with 4-5. We have to hope we have NHLers first this time round. Sometimes, you gotta let the kids fail. Many many players have had a rough first couple years. Only to come out stronger. I think KK should stay on the Hawks and give him the same opportunity as he’d have in the farm. Let him earn little by little. What would it hurt to try him on the PP? Seth is ok, but I feel kk is the better QB and fit. Seth is more of a shooter. Not a QB!!! It takes 5-6 drafts if you have one pick per round, so the litany of picks they had the last 3yrs condenses that. And yes there's only so much talent per draft but if you only have one pick per round it lowers your odds of finding that talent. 30 picks in 3yrs will help to find some gems. Not many guys from the last regime were talked about as special, some of us hoped they would be, but the experts weren't saying they were. Dach was his highest pick and even he was thought of a a solid 2way player, he didn't light up the WHL his draft year, so he wasn't regarded as special. But there's still a lot of guys who should be good pieces. Going back 5yrs, Hawks only had 6 picks in 2019, but Vlasic is here and looks to be a core top4 dman, so someone cracked the lineup. Dach did too, but that turned into Nazar and Hayes. 6 of the 8 picks from 2020 are still in the system, Crevier and Phillips are 23, Kaiser, Reichel, Commesso, and Slaggert are 22. 2 or 3 of those guys should be NHLers one day, maybe not on Chicago but they should be full timers. 4 of the 8 picks from 2021 turned pro last season and they're under 22yrs old. Allan, Dach, Del Mastro, and Luypen. Harding and Kelley are still in Providence, Stjernborg is signed and should be here next summer and Safonov is a long shot. So I'm still hopeful for some of the guys from the last regime. |
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Post by mvr on Oct 2, 2024 20:00:47 GMT -6
The big challenge with bottoming out and tanking is protecting the existing prospects from losing confidence.
It is one thing to draft players but another to develop them to their potential, especially when the surrounding "talent" remains as thin as the Hawks roster the last few seasons.
Sadly, it seems Reichel might never emerge into the kind of player he looked like he might have become.
We can blame the kid (as some have) - suggest that Reichel's supposed flawed character is to somehow to blame, that the player lacks the drive or grit to become a pro. Perhaps.
But I remember his play as a teen in the European leagues. The scouts suggested he was a "chairman of the boards" type, a kid who punched above his weight who would succeed because of his ability to retrieve loose pucks. What has happened?
To my mind, his failure last year was fairly predictable. Management asked him to do the impossible, move from the wing to the centre position while driving the offence on the second line with slugs on his wing. Of course he bombed in that role (what were they thinking?)
Sadly it looks like he has totally lost his edge, exactly like what happened to the overexposed Alexandre Daigle years ago. You might recall, I warned in a thread last summer that this exact scenario would likely play out.
Now Korchinski similarly seems to have lost his game. Is it too late for him as well? Let's hope not, but confidence is a fleeting thing.
I am very glad the coaching staff has decided to take a step back with him and the other kids and slow it down while bringing in some veteran fill to plug temporary holes. Prospects are still kids. The atmosphere and the learning environment needs to be healthy for them to flourish.
It is well past time to stop worrying about draft order and spend some real energy on player development. Most importantly, we need to see far less roster turnover over the next 24 months.
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Post by mvr on Oct 2, 2024 20:26:07 GMT -6
From 2007-2015, the Hawks largely succeeded in transitioning prospects to pros.
Sure, there were some disappointments - ie Brandon Pirri, Jeremy Morin, Jimmy Hayes, and Cam Barker among the more obvious examples.
But so many others made it, including long shots such as Dustin Byfuglien and Troy Brouwer. The big advantage at the time was the quality and depth of the minor league system. Dale Tallon, to his credit, did not rush the prospects. He let them develop for the most part together in the AHL. Some such as Crawford and Bickell spent years in the minor pros developing their confidence.
Tallon brought in a veteran crew of proven NHL leaders - Lapointe, Khabibulin, Cullimore, Aucoin etc. - many of them with championship rings. He added Martin Havlat to be the face of the franchise. By doing so, the general manager provided a temporary cover for the young kids to hide behind.
This seems to be what Davidson is now doing. Let's hope he has learned from his mistakes. Burning through prospects in a quest for high draft picks is a recipe for disaster.
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 3, 2024 7:40:57 GMT -6
The big challenge with bottoming out and tanking is protecting the existing prospects from losing confidence. It is one thing to draft players but another to develop them to their potential, especially when the surrounding "talent" remains as thin as the Hawks roster the last few seasons. Sadly, it seems Reichel might never emerge into the kind of player he looked like he might have become. We can blame the kid (as some have) - suggest that Reichel's supposed flawed character is to somehow to blame, that the player lacks the drive or grit to become a pro. Perhaps. But I remember his play as a teen in the European leagues. The scouts suggested he was a "chairman of the boards" type, a kid who punched above his weight who would succeed because of his ability to retrieve loose pucks. What has happened? To my mind, his failure last year was fairly predictable. Management asked him to do the impossible, move from the wing to the centre position while driving the offence on the second line with slugs on his wing. Of course he bombed in that role (what were they thinking?) Sadly it looks like he has totally lost his edge, exactly like what happened to the overexposed Alexandre Daigle years ago. You might recall, I warned in a thread last summer that this exact scenario would likely play out. Now Korchinski similarly seems to have lost his game. Is it too late for him as well? Let's hope not, but confidence is a fleeting thing. I am very glad the coaching staff has decided to take a step back with him and the other kids and slow it down while bringing in some veteran fill to plug temporary holes. Prospects are still kids. The atmosphere and the learning environment needs to be healthy for them to flourish. It is well past time to stop worrying about draft order and spend some real energy on player development. Most importantly, we need to see far less roster turnover over the next 24 months. The bolded is what this ORG has failed at the last 10 years. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 3, 2024 18:44:03 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Oct 3, 2024 18:46:47 GMT -6
Had to miss the game tonight. But I’m sure the WFCU Center is a rockin. That team can score a lot of goals!!! |
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Post by BigT on Oct 3, 2024 19:42:19 GMT -6
Sounds like Spellacy completed the Howe Hat Trick!!!
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Post by tincup on Oct 3, 2024 20:08:17 GMT -6
Sounds like Spellacy completed the Howe Hat Trick!!! First star. |
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 4, 2024 11:50:15 GMT -6
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 4, 2024 12:09:26 GMT -6
Had to miss the game tonight. But I’m sure the WFCU Center is a rockin. That team can score a lot of goals!!! Looks like your Spits might have something going this year. Hopefully we see a lot of Greentree/Spellacy 2-on-1's. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 4, 2024 12:12:03 GMT -6
A good buddy of mine, he billets all the time. He now billets that Ilya Protas kid. He says he’s really really good. He was a 3rd pick of Washington. He’s got a goal in his first game. So we’ll see how that one pans out. I stopped by his place last weekend for a quick beer. And he raved about him. For some reason he always gets Russian or close to Russian players. I don’t believe he speaks a lick of Slavic language at all. But Spitfires should have a couple good years here!!!
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 4, 2024 12:37:37 GMT -6
Both points were really nice plays, his goal he used his speed to get separation to create the 2 on 1 then got his feet set with his stick on the ice and finished a nice pass from Greentree. His assist he took a few strides to get room then fed a perfect cross ice pass at his blueline to an open player on the far side. Of course they didn't show the fight, but that's an impressive first game of the season. Gordie Howe Hatty. He was only 5/14 at faceoffs, but it's a new position, he'll learn. |
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 4, 2024 12:51:52 GMT -6
Both points were really nice plays, his goal he used his speed to get separation to create the 2 on 1 then got his feet set with his stick on the ice and finished a nice pass from Greentree. His assist he took a few strides to get room then fed a perfect cross ice pass at his blueline to an open player on the far side. Of course they didn't show the fight, but that's an impressive first game of the season. Gordie Howe Hatty. He was only 5/14 at faceoffs, but it's a new position, he'll learn. Could Spellacy have some undeveloped offense in his game, that maybe will start showing up this season. I hope he does. I know he had 21 g's last season but I don't know anything as far as what lines he was on, or how much ice time, pp time, etc. I do know he was on a bad team. |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 4, 2024 13:15:11 GMT -6
Both points were really nice plays, his goal he used his speed to get separation to create the 2 on 1 then got his feet set with his stick on the ice and finished a nice pass from Greentree. His assist he took a few strides to get room then fed a perfect cross ice pass at his blueline to an open player on the far side. Of course they didn't show the fight, but that's an impressive first game of the season. Gordie Howe Hatty. He was only 5/14 at faceoffs, but it's a new position, he'll learn. Could Spellacy have some undeveloped offense in his game, that maybe will start showing up this season. I hope he does. I know he had 21 g's last season but I don't know anything as far as what lines he was on, or how much ice time, pp time, etc. I do know he was on a bad team. His first season he was still playing football and only had 7 goals on the bottom six, sounds like he was on the bottom six to start last season but earned more ice time the second half, that's when he got the majority of his points. He tripled his goal output from season one to two, I think it's possible he doubles that his third season, 40+ goals, and probably 30+ assists. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 4, 2024 14:52:42 GMT -6
Could Spellacy have some undeveloped offense in his game, that maybe will start showing up this season. I hope he does. I know he had 21 g's last season but I don't know anything as far as what lines he was on, or how much ice time, pp time, etc. I do know he was on a bad team. His first season he was still playing football and only had 7 goals on the bottom six, sounds like he was on the bottom six to start last season but earned more ice time the second half, that's when he got the majority of his points. He tripled his goal output from season one to two, I think it's possible he doubles that his third season, 40+ goals, and probably 30+ assists. Believe it or not, he didn’t get much more ice time the 2nd half. He had a leg injury I was told. He played through a lot of it. So they managed his ice time. I thought he looked pretty meh myself. But the leg injury would explain a lot. So it seems maybe the Hawks snuck in a couple beauties that were injured in last years draft? We’ll see. If Vanacker and Spellacy put up really good numbers this year, like close to 100. Then they definitely made the right gamble. But when you have a shit ton of picks, you can take those gambles!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 5, 2024 13:52:53 GMT -6
Exhibition season has started today for college players.
Providence had an early start and won 4-1, Mustard scored.
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 5, 2024 14:26:22 GMT -6
Exhibition season has started today for college players. Providence had an early start and won 4-1, Mustard scored. With a candlestick in the Library? |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Oct 5, 2024 16:29:42 GMT -6
Exhibition season has started today for college players. Providence had an early start and won 4-1, Mustard scored. I watched about the first period and a half of the Providence game - so I didn't see Mustard's goal which was in the 3rd period - but I saw him make several nice plays using his speed and good puck handling. I'll be watching more Providence games this year. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 5, 2024 19:03:08 GMT -6
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 5, 2024 19:35:59 GMT -6
Minn.-Duluth played and lost 4-3 in OT. Dominic James had the p assist on the game tying goal late in the 3rd.
Gajan sat out the game.
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