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Post by acesandeights on Sept 30, 2020 7:21:08 GMT -6
That was a good way to put it. I wasn't trying to imply anything about JC; all I was doing was just mentioning the almost same results over his two seasons. We had two F's do most of the goal scoring and got 21 g's total from the D corps, along with giving up a ton of shots. I just wonder if Stan is going to think a trade here or there and maybe a mid to somewhat higher level FA and maybe a lesser FA will give the team a more full glass.  You’re probably right that Scambo will dumpster dive and hope for the best. But he’s gotta she’d salary first. I’m hearing Saad is all but gone. He has a 10 team NTC that kicks in after the draft or free agency I’m told. From the sounds of it, it’s really looking like Ottawa or NJ for his destination. Scambo really wants to get Crawford re-signed. If he doesn’t, we’ve already seen what this team can do with a shitty tender. If Crawford isn’t here, I think the Hawks will be picking very very high!!! If Stan has to shed salary I can see Saad getting traded. In any trade with Ottawa or NJ, one of their 1st round picks should be part of the return. I thought NJ's two lower 1st rd. picks were a little after the Hawks 17th pick, although it would give Stan extra ammo to move up with. I don't know what they could work out with Ottawa; don't they pick top 5 twice and then almost at the end of the first rd.? |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 30, 2020 8:13:47 GMT -6
But didn't the team make moves that improved the roster after Q's dismissal like Strome and Caggiula for Manning? Didn't the team go out and add two expensive D-men,two fairly expensive forwards and an expensive goaltender last summer? Did all of that get us out of the cellar? I was talking to a friend who is a Pens fan and he says how happy they were to get rid of Matta. He was slow and not very good. And obviously De haan is also very slow of foot. Our defense didn't get better, it got slower since we seen Seabs lose a step each of the last 2 years. Maybe with seabs surgeries he may gain back a step or 2, hopefully. I feel the 8.6M could have been used better but Maata has a deserved cup pedigree and played well in the PO's and de Haan is slow but also decent defensively........compared to guys like Manning,Forsling and Davidson,the other two are on a different level IMO. K&T had career years and Strome and D-Cat did the same the year before last and the team was 2 over and missed. Kubalik lights up the place and Lehner's brought in and plays well this year and guess what? 2 over again and another miss if the PO's aren't expanded. The young coach like the young players Strome and D-Cat just haven't improved,I'm not sure Boqvist got better as the year went on either. |
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Post by mvr on Sept 30, 2020 15:32:24 GMT -6
Here are my moves.....
1) Debrincat to Montreal for pick 15 and Ryan Poehling
2) Murphy to Toronto for pick 16 and a third rounder
3) Trade one of Dehaan or Maata for picks
4) Re-sign Crawford for three years at $9 M
5) Re-sign Strome,one year $1.5 M
6) Re-sign Kubalik, two years $3 M/year
7) Trade Caligula for a fourth-fifth round pick
8) Re-sign Koekkoek for $1 M/ one year
9) Trade Subban for a fifth round pick.
10) Buy out Smith
Now the team has plenty of cap space moving forward. Add one or two cap dumps from other teams (ie MA Fleury) and acquire more picks.
Re-sign Saad for four more years at $5 M/year.
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Post by mvr on Sept 30, 2020 15:44:00 GMT -6
I wonder if Buffalo would consider trading its 8th pick and Dylan Cozens for Debrincat and the Hawks' 17th pick.
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Post by vadarx on Sept 30, 2020 17:27:30 GMT -6
Here are my moves..... 1) Debrincat to Montreal for pick 15 and Ryan Poehling 2) Murphy to Toronto for pick 16 and a third rounder 3) Trade one of Dehaan or Maata for picks 4) Re-sign Crawford for three years at $9 M 5) Re-sign Strome,one year $1.5 M 6) Re-sign Kubalik, two years $3 M/year 7) Trade Caligula for a fourth-fifth round pick 8) Re-sign Koekkoek for $1 M/ one year 9) Trade Subban for a fifth round pick. 10) Buy out Smith Now the team has plenty of cap space moving forward. Add one or two cap dumps from other teams (ie MA Fleury) and acquire more picks. Re-sign Saad for four more years at $5 M/year. interesting..... welp: 1. Montreal is using up their excess space pretty quickly. I don't know they would give up both of those for Debrincat. I would say either the first or Poehling and like a second or third rounder. I wouldn't do it for the latter. D🐈 is tough for me anyway. he would be an awesome piece on a good team, but right now we really aren't. if we got a good haul for him, I'd move him. for what I said above (Poehling and a non first rounder) I wouldn't. 2. no way does Toronto give up a first and a third for Murphy. no wayyyyyyyy..... 3. I am on board with moving either of those guys for whatever we can get back for them. those two should be at the top of the list to trade. 4-6. I'd make all of those signings, but I don't see Strome or Kubalik taking those deals. they are both going to want more. whether Stan will play hardball with them..... well, I don't have much faith that he will. Crow might take that deal solely because of the term. 7. I would do this. 8. I would maybe do this, but only at least two of the aforementioned d-men had been moved out. otherwise, he can hit the bricks. 9. isn't Subban a RFA? I dunno if you could get much for him. maybe package his rights at the draft? 10. I'd say this move is far away the most likely to happen. as a matter of fact, if they don't buy him out, I'll be shocked. Saad probably won't want to take a pay cut, but I guess this would be worth offering, provided he DOES NOT get a NMC. |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 30, 2020 17:28:07 GMT -6
I wonder if Buffalo would consider trading its 8th pick and Dylan Cozens for Debrincat and the Hawks' 17th pick. I'd do that in a heartbeat.....which probably means the answer is no..... |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 11, 2020 8:53:32 GMT -6
QUICK......somebody name our top six next year and try to do it without using Nolander,was this part of the motivation for moving Saad? Scambo doesn't give up on his prize acquisitions easily.
The team went from 3.29 goals scored per game two years ago to 3.02 last year.......what will next year bring?
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Post by Tater on Oct 11, 2020 10:36:47 GMT -6
QUICK......somebody name our top six next year and try to do it without using Nolander,was this part of the motivation for moving Saad? Scambo doesn't give up on his prize acquisitions easily. The team went from 3.29 goals scored per game two years ago to 3.02 last year.......what will next year bring? That is unpossible. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 11, 2020 11:25:30 GMT -6
QUICK......somebody name our top six next year and try to do it without using Nolander,was this part of the motivation for moving Saad? Scambo doesn't give up on his prize acquisitions easily. The team went from 3.29 goals scored per game two years ago to 3.02 last year.......what will next year bring? Toews, Kane, Shaw, Dach, Kubalik, D-🐈 |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 11, 2020 11:30:43 GMT -6
QUICK......somebody name our top six next year and try to do it without using Nolander,was this part of the motivation for moving Saad? Scambo doesn't give up on his prize acquisitions easily. The team went from 3.29 goals scored per game two years ago to 3.02 last year.......what will next year bring? Toews, Kane, Shaw, Dach, Kubalik, D-🐈 Shaw skated in 20 games before he was concussed again last year and few consider him a top six anyway. |
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Post by hawkfaninpdx on Oct 11, 2020 11:39:39 GMT -6
QUICK......somebody name our top six next year and try to do it without using Nolander,was this part of the motivation for moving Saad? Scambo doesn't give up on his prize acquisitions easily. The team went from 3.29 goals scored per game two years ago to 3.02 last year.......what will next year bring? That is unpossible. I think that is unimpossible: T&K, Kubalik, Dach, D-cat, Strome. The bottom 6, that's a bit trickier, as things drop off rapidly. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 11, 2020 11:48:26 GMT -6
Toews, Kane, Shaw, Dach, Kubalik, D-🐈 Shaw skated in 20 games before he was concussed again last year and few consider him a top six anyway. you didn't add any parameters to the initial challenge! just to name a top 6! 😜 edit: also, Shaw was playing with Kane early on last season..... not saying right or wrong, just that he could potentially play there should our coach decide he fits.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2020 12:27:10 GMT -6
Shaw skated in 20 games before he was concussed again last year and few consider him a top six anyway. you didn't add any parameters to the initial challenge! just to name a top 6! 😜 edit: also, Shaw was playing with Kane early on last season..... not saying right or wrong, just that he could potentially play there should our coach decide he fits.... How about a 2nd line of Shaw, Debrincat, and Kane? Put them up against the likes of Charra and they can all 3 skate between his legs! |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 11, 2020 14:33:30 GMT -6
you didn't add any parameters to the initial challenge! just to name a top 6! 😜 edit: also, Shaw was playing with Kane early on last season..... not saying right or wrong, just that he could potentially play there should our coach decide he fits.... How about a 2nd line of Shaw, Debrincat, and Kane? Put them up against the likes of Charra and they can all 3 skate between his legs! 😅😅 that'd work.... until Shaw "accidentally" concussed himself on Chara groin.... |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 22, 2020 11:42:45 GMT -6
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Post by acesandeights on Dec 22, 2020 16:34:31 GMT -6
The taxi squad sounds somewhat similar to the NFL practice squad, except those guys don't travel with the team.
I get the idea it's for guys with some NHL exp. but not good enough to be a regular. I can't see a young prospect really benefitting from it.
The article suggested maybe Hagel and/or Carlsson might be in the group. I know they were just off the top of his head but wouldn't they be better off in Rockford, unless they've made huge strides in the offseason and make the roster? Neither has hardly any NHL exp.; doesn't Carlsson have about 5-6 NHL games and Hagel only one? I think real games regularly would be better for their development.
Lazerus had a good point about the G's. If one G has to be on it, the loser of the backup battle will be on the taxi squad which hurts Rockford. It keeps the third G from playing in real games against other opponents, even if it is the minor leagues.
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Post by hsbob on Dec 23, 2020 10:42:08 GMT -6
Haven't seen it anywhere else yet but WBBM Chicago just reported Alex Nylander to miss 4-6 months after meniscus surgery.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 23, 2020 10:54:02 GMT -6
Haven't seen it anywhere else yet but WBBM Chicago just reported Alex Nylander to miss 4-6 months after meniscus surgery. Whoa - that sux. I know expectations for him are low but I was hoping he would up his game this season and prove the naysayers wrong. His ELC expires after this season so it will be interesting to see what he and the Hawks agree to for a new contract. |
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Post by acesandeights on Dec 23, 2020 12:47:43 GMT -6
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Post by tincup on Dec 24, 2020 13:18:39 GMT -6
So with Dach pretty much officially done for at least a portion of the season how important does getting Strome reupped become? And does he now have the hammer in negotiations? Do the players that were projected to be on the taxi squad now have a legitimate shot as regulars? Guy like Pirri, instead of AHL mentor now gets another shot at being an NHL regular. Maybe Kurashev gets his shot as a center man, or Hagel and his terrier like game gets his chance. Does Bowman now have to deal from weakness to fill a temporary spot? There are still a lot of defensemen in the pipeline and some could be moved since next year is a defense heavy draft, but with everyone playing truncated seasons it’s going to be a tough read on some of those kids. Gives the ones playing in the WJC tournament all the more reason to make sure they excel. Does anyone trust the rejigged front office to make sane decisions?
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Post by vadarx on Dec 24, 2020 18:29:52 GMT -6
So with Dach pretty much officially done for at least a portion of the season how important does getting Strome reupped become? And does he now have the hammer in negotiations? Do the players that were projected to be on the taxi squad now have a legitimate shot as regulars? Guy like Pirri, instead of AHL mentor now gets another shot at being an NHL regular. Maybe Kurashev gets his shot as a center man, or Hagel and his terrier like game gets his chance. Does Bowman now have to deal from weakness to fill a temporary spot? There are still a lot of defensemen in the pipeline and some could be moved since next year is a defense heavy draft, but with everyone playing truncated seasons it’s going to be a tough read on some of those kids. Gives the ones playing in the WJC tournament all the more reason to make sure they excel. Does anyone trust the rejigged front office to make sane decisions? I don't think it will have any effect on Strome and the negotiations. the word is out now, the rebuild is on. the young guys will play and we will be.... less than good. which is what the front office wants, we need to do poorly so we can get a couple three high picks and it should motivate the "old core" to want to waive their NMCs. so, Strome not wanting to sign for a reasonable amount is, I'm sure, ok with SB. if he won't, fine, other players will get a shot. he has zero leverage anyway. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 25, 2020 11:26:55 GMT -6
I know you can't keep everybody but I'm gonna miss this guy.....
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 25, 2020 13:57:55 GMT -6
I know you can't keep everybody but I'm gonna miss this guy..... For under a mill, he was worth every penny if not more so. |
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Post by tincup on Dec 25, 2020 23:34:43 GMT -6
I know you can't keep everybody but I'm gonna miss this guy..... I remember this, stupidly dangerous play by Sundqvist that went unpunished. Cags stepped up. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 26, 2020 9:33:28 GMT -6
I know you can't keep everybody but I'm gonna miss this guy..... I remember this, stupidly dangerous play by Sundqvist that went unpunished. Cags stepped up. D-Cat would be one tough SOB if he wasn't the size of an 8th grader. Little F'er still sticks his nose in there though.......with little to no support. Caggs is a deal for AZ @700k,Frolik's a steal for the Habs @750k,Sheary @735k for the Caps and Haula got 1.75M form the Preds...........we have Zach Smith for 3.2M. |
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Post by irmaks on Dec 26, 2020 12:07:45 GMT -6
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Dec 26, 2020 12:24:58 GMT -6
With Dach probably out most of the season I thought Kurashev or Entwistle would've had a chance, but Stan gets a 35yr old 🙄 Don't get me wrong, I'm ok with a 6'3" 200+lb 2way center who scored 17 goals last season but that goes against a youth movement. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 26, 2020 12:47:40 GMT -6
WHAT?!?!?! That flies in the face of the youth movement and it also seems like the gauntlet thrown down to Strome - as in take it or leave it club-foot. And with that move I'll join the anti-Stan, anti-Hawks, anti-everything mob here on this site. I just want to fit in and get a little acceptance stroking so let me see if I can do this right ... Stan sux (tooey), everytime I say Stan (tooey) I have to spit the bad taste out of mouth. Stan (tooey) is the worst GM in the history of the world. If it wasn't for Stan's (tooey) dad - Stan (tooey) would be bagging groceries somewhere. If the Hawks ever have a chance to win the Stan (tooey) ley Cup they have to get rid of Stan (tooey) the GM and Stan (tooey) the President of Hockey Operations. Not only that - they have to erase Stan (tooey) from the record books, delete Stan's (tooey) Wiki page, Stan's (tooey) government records and everything else that could prove Stan (tooey) ever existed. Furthermore, the "S-T-A-N" (tooey) sequence of letters must be replace in every English word - including what will now be known as the Tooeyley Cup. We must take a tooeyd here and now to do what's right. Never again will the shadow of Tooey darken our world. There, did I do that right ... gee, I sure hope so, because my floor is awash in spit. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 26, 2020 13:19:31 GMT -6
With Dach probably out most of the season I thought Kurashev or Entwistle would've had a chance, but Stan gets a 35yr old 🙄 Don't get me wrong, I'm ok with a 6'3" 200+lb 2way center who scored 17 goals last season but that goes against a youth movement. We either accept the way to a proper rebuild is adding 35 year olds or we're bad Hawks fans I guess. If we need any help on D,Andy Green's still available. Soderberg could be a good signing for a team that needs a 3LC to get to the promised land but asking if that describes the Hawks situation seems like a fair question to me. I saw a letter from the team describing a rebuild and admitting it isn't a contender right now so why not just get the kids in there THIS year with the cover of the letter for protection.....this would fast forward assessments that should have been made by now IMO. Does signing a 23yro Strome to a one year(I doubt it's his side playing hardball with all the UFA's signing for 1M or less)and giving him a big role help the team figure out what he offers once and for all? If he fails,then the team struggles even worse,we get a better pick and we move on. Let's see a few of Kurashev,Entwistle,Johnson,Barratt,Hagle,Chalupa,Suter,Soderland,Kayumov or Morrison get real shots,all prospects are over 20 and we don't know what we have in any of em at this point. Isn't this what a rebuilding team would do? If anyone else knows what we have in these young forwards,feel free to fill me in cause I don't. Maybe get Highmore a bigger opportunity after a good PO's or a solid Kampf a bigger role but three veteran forward acquisitions will not allow any of this since other vets like Carpenter,Smith and Shaw will be lookin' for minutes too. The same situation exists at D at the moment also.......I'm not anti-Hawks.....I'm anti-stupidity. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 15:13:39 GMT -6
Stan has no F-ing idea what he's doing. Talks out of both sides of his ass depending on what he thinks people want to hear at the moment. He has no true direction for this team.
From what I am reading the thought behind signing Soderberg/janmark/Wallmark is that they'll trade each guy in-season and get a draft pick back "to help with the rebuild"... ok...
first off, none of them are fetching a 1st, or 2nd, round pick. A bunch of extra 3-5 round picks aren't helping the rebuild much.
Second, as Bob said above, letting these vets play instead of kids is a waste of 1 year of rebuild.
So when exactly is this franchise starting a rebuild? Not this year. Maybe next year? Maybe when Toews/kane/Keith are all gone? Maybe never?
Nothing makes sense.
This franchise went from the cream of the crop and truly elite to arguably the worst in the entire NHL.
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