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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 15:17:54 GMT -6
I suppose it's possible with Dach and Nylander losing an entire season of development here Stan is changing his mind on a rebuild that is already starting off as a disaster...
If they lose Strome, another piece of the rebuild (I guess, I don't care for him much but he's young enough to fit into the rebuild) then essentially they've lost an entire line they were counting on for development
and this, my friends, is how you enter a decade of very bad hockey
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 26, 2020 15:32:45 GMT -6
I suppose it's possible with Dach and Nylander losing an entire season of development here Stan is changing his mind on a rebuild that is already starting off as a disaster... If they lose Strome, another piece of the rebuild (I guess, I don't care for him much but he's young enough to fit into the rebuild) then essentially they've lost an entire line they were counting on or development and this, my friends, is how you enter a decade of very bad hockey Can we at least count the last 3 years as part of the decade long sux-fest? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 15:48:03 GMT -6
I suppose it's possible with Dach and Nylander losing an entire season of development here Stan is changing his mind on a rebuild that is already starting off as a disaster... If they lose Strome, another piece of the rebuild (I guess, I don't care for him much but he's young enough to fit into the rebuild) then essentially they've lost an entire line they were counting on or development and this, my friends, is how you enter a decade of very bad hockey Can we at least count the last 3 years as part of the decade long sux-fest? I don’t think so. They weren’t officially rebuilding. Stan was still going for something. That’s what trading for Shaw and signing lehner was all about. |
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Post by vadarx on Dec 26, 2020 17:08:46 GMT -6
WHAT?!?!?! That flies in the face of the youth movement and it also seems like the gauntlet thrown down to Strome - as in take it or leave it club-foot. And with that move I'll join the anti-Stan, anti-Hawks, anti-everything mob here on this site. I just want to fit in and get a little acceptance stroking so let me see if I can do this right ... Stan sux (tooey), everytime I say Stan (tooey) I have to spit the bad taste out of mouth. Stan (tooey) is the worst GM in the history of the world. If it wasn't for Stan's (tooey) dad - Stan (tooey) would be bagging groceries somewhere. If the Hawks ever have a chance to win the Stan (tooey) ley Cup they have to get rid of Stan (tooey) the GM and Stan (tooey) the President of Hockey Operations. Not only that - they have to erase Stan (tooey) from the record books, delete Stan's (tooey) Wiki page, Stan's (tooey) government records and everything else that could prove Stan (tooey) ever existed. Furthermore, the "S-T-A-N" (tooey) sequence of letters must be replace in every English word - including what will now be known as the Tooeyley Cup. We must take a tooeyd here and now to do what's right. Never again will the shadow of Tooey darken our world. There, did I do that right ... gee, I sure hope so, because my floor is awash in spit. points for trying. points deducted for lack of vitriol. 😉 |
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Post by vadarx on Dec 26, 2020 17:28:02 GMT -6
sigh..... well, pretty much Dach is out for the season, or at least the vast majority of it. no centers to play in a top 9 role now unless Strome finally signs. if I am him, I am trying my dammedest to get a 1 year deal right now to center 88 and earn myself a much nicer deal next summer...
still, though, I thought this was a rebuild? so Bowman is essentially saying we have no other centers to give some ice time to?
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 26, 2020 17:52:26 GMT -6
WHAT?!?!?! That flies in the face of the youth movement and it also seems like the gauntlet thrown down to Strome - as in take it or leave it club-foot. And with that move I'll join the anti-Stan, anti-Hawks, anti-everything mob here on this site. I just want to fit in and get a little acceptance stroking so let me see if I can do this right ... Stan sux (tooey), everytime I say Stan (tooey) I have to spit the bad taste out of mouth. Stan (tooey) is the worst GM in the history of the world. If it wasn't for Stan's (tooey) dad - Stan (tooey) would be bagging groceries somewhere. If the Hawks ever have a chance to win the Stan (tooey) ley Cup they have to get rid of Stan (tooey) the GM and Stan (tooey) the President of Hockey Operations. Not only that - they have to erase Stan (tooey) from the record books, delete Stan's (tooey) Wiki page, Stan's (tooey) government records and everything else that could prove Stan (tooey) ever existed. Furthermore, the "S-T-A-N" (tooey) sequence of letters must be replace in every English word - including what will now be known as the Tooeyley Cup. We must take a tooeyd here and now to do what's right. Never again will the shadow of Tooey darken our world. There, did I do that right ... gee, I sure hope so, because my floor is awash in spit. points for trying. points deducted for lack of vitriol. 😉 I'll try harder later after I'm done mopping up the floor.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 18:14:13 GMT -6
sigh..... well, pretty much Dach is out for the season, or at least the vast majority of it. no centers to play in a top 9 role now unless Strome finally signs. if I am him, I am trying my dammedest to get a 1 year deal right now to center 88 and earn myself a much nicer deal next summer... still, though, I thought this was a rebuild? so Bowman is essentially saying we have no other centers to give some ice time to? This really is the result of a depleted system and bad drafting. The cupboards are bare and they have been for a few years now. A few members (not me) here and from the old boards kept saying this over and over and it's finally coming back to bite Stan in the butt. Bad trades sending prospects out for veterans in a meager attempt to win now/again, sending extra prospects/draft picks out and not cashing in on their own picks leads to a situation where even when "rebuilding" there's nobody to actually rebuild around. Look a these drafts, but do it on an empty stomach cause you'll want to vomit: www.hockey-reference.com/teams/CHI/draft.html |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 27, 2020 9:31:55 GMT -6
Can we at least count the last 3 years as part of the decade long sux-fest? I don’t think so. They weren’t officially rebuilding. Stan was still going for something. That’s what trading for Shaw and signing lehner was all about. Was there another team in the league that spent over 21 MILLION bucks on six veterans last summer? That's exactly what SB did,we ended up two over just like the year before, salary was already retained to move one of those vets and now three of those player are UNTRADEABLE! Throw the 'Joker' trade in there and that's promotion worthy? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 14:19:27 GMT -6
I don’t think so. They weren’t officially rebuilding. Stan was still going for something. That’s what trading for Shaw and signing lehner was all about. Was there another team in the league that spent over 21 MILLION bucks on six veterans last summer? That's exactly what SB did,we ended up two over just like the year before, salary was already retained to move one of those vets and now three of those player are UNTRADEABLE! Throw the 'Joker' trade in there and that's promotion worthy? Preaching to the choir, pal. Stan must have some photos of Rocky snorting white powder with chicago's finest corner workers |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 29, 2020 10:08:48 GMT -6
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Post by irmaks on Dec 29, 2020 10:52:43 GMT -6
I guess now we can see why they signed soderberg, has nothing to do with Dach injury.
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Post by hsbob on Dec 29, 2020 10:57:25 GMT -6
WBBM just reported that JT himself said he won't be ready to start camp due to illness.......no mention of the illness. I don't think a positive Covid situation is a stretch since McKenzie mentioned "status" which has been a term used to refer to Covid cases in the past. If this is the case,let's hope for a symptom free recovery and good health for our great captain.
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Post by hsbob on Dec 29, 2020 11:03:36 GMT -6
WOW....
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A lot more serious than I was hoping for!
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Post by BlueFruit on Dec 29, 2020 16:23:38 GMT -6
So now Soderberg is our first line center. It´s not every day Bowman makes a catch this big. For only 1 million.
I really hope Toews is gonna be alright. The statement from him made me feel not so good.
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Post by acesandeights on Dec 30, 2020 8:33:46 GMT -6
If/when Pius Suter can adapt to the NHL just took on much more importance.
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 30, 2020 9:21:21 GMT -6
By the way, I forgot to mention - Toews medical condition is Stan's fault. That is all. Carry on.
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Post by mikeveisor on Dec 30, 2020 9:50:28 GMT -6
Hockey Feed quotes Ken Campbell of THN of surmising that Kane demands a trade out of Chicago given JT's indefinite unfitness to play. Ha! Stan, whether it's 1% or 21% true, this all seems to be coming to a head, doesn't it? Maybe GM-ing isn't all its cracked-up to be..(sorry - cannot figure out how to cut/paste link to story on this MacBook).
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 30, 2020 11:42:01 GMT -6
Hockey Feed quotes Ken Campbell of THN of surmising that Kane demands a trade out of Chicago given JT's indefinite unfitness to play. Ha! Stan, whether it's 1% or 21% true, this all seems to be coming to a head, doesn't it? Maybe GM-ing isn't all its cracked-up to be..(sorry - cannot figure out how to cut/paste link to story on this MacBook). Great - an opening to continue beating the dead horse of my Kane to Buffalo for Dylan Cozens trade proposal.  |
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Post by T-man2010 on Dec 30, 2020 12:17:02 GMT -6
Hawks will need to trade Kaner to a team that is worse than the Hawks, Wangs, Kings..., then they become better than the Hawks and our pick climbs closer to #1.
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Post by hsbob on Dec 30, 2020 13:06:09 GMT -6
Hawks will need to trade Kaner to a team that is worse than the Hawks, Wangs, Kings..., then they become better than the Hawks and our pick climbs closer to #1. I gotta believe Kane passes on that idea. |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 30, 2020 14:37:47 GMT -6
Hawks will need to trade Kaner to a team that is worse than the Hawks, Wangs, Kings..., then they become better than the Hawks and our pick climbs closer to #1. I gotta believe Kane passes on that idea. I am not going to do the research, but I wonder if there is any team that is a serious contender that could afford Kane, under their cap situation, without trading a few/couple good players to balance out the salaries. The potential landing sites for Kane that are serious contenders can't trade draft picks because they won't have high enough draft picks to compensate for getting Kane and not giving current NHL quality players in return. If that is true, then would it be worth it to the contender to get Kane and lose two or three quality players from their lineup. I guess each team would have to make that decision, but it would not necessarily work out very well given what they would have give to the Hawks in return. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 30, 2020 16:17:03 GMT -6
Hawks will need to trade Kaner to a team that is worse than the Hawks, Wangs, Kings..., then they become better than the Hawks and our pick climbs closer to #1. I gotta believe Kane passes on that idea. True, but going home to Buffalo might interest him. |
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Post by vadarx on Dec 30, 2020 17:43:43 GMT -6
Hockey Feed quotes Ken Campbell of THN of surmising that Kane demands a trade out of Chicago given JT's indefinite unfitness to play. Ha! Stan, whether it's 1% or 21% true, this all seems to be coming to a head, doesn't it? Maybe GM-ing isn't all its cracked-up to be..(sorry - cannot figure out how to cut/paste link to story on this MacBook). Great - an opening to continue beating the dead horse of my Kane to Buffalo for Dylan Cozens trade proposal. I am fully onboard with this proposal. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Dec 30, 2020 19:14:23 GMT -6
alright. a bit of good news for a change. shaw is officially ready to play this season. it'll be good to see him back on the blades again. fingers crossed he plays every game this season. "He's looking great," Bowman said. "I think he's excited as ever to be back. I've never seen him so energized. He's a guy that's always got energy, but I was talking to Shaw the other day and he said he's never felt better. He's been training since the summer, skating a lot. He looks fantastic out there."www.nbcsports.com/chicago/blackhawks/blackhawks-gm-stan-bowman-andrew-shaw-ready-go-2020-21-nhl-season |
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Post by BigT on Dec 30, 2020 21:25:39 GMT -6
I gotta believe Kane passes on that idea. I am not going to do the research, but I wonder if there is any team that is a serious contender that could afford Kane, under their cap situation, without trading a few/couple good players to balance out the salaries. The potential landing sites for Kane that are serious contenders can't trade draft picks because they won't have high enough draft picks to compensate for getting Kane and not giving current NHL quality players in return. If that is true, then would it be worth it to the contender to get Kane and lose two or three quality players from their lineup. I guess each team would have to make that decision, but it would not necessarily work out very well given what they would have give to the Hawks in return. If the Hawks retained roughly half of Kane’s salary. I still feel a great fit would be to the Rags. I still feel it’ll be the best fit as Kane and Panera play together again. At half price it’s an absolute bargain for the next 3 years. I could see a deal like Kane for Buchnevich, Kakko, and K’Andre Miller plus a 1st rounder. The Rags have about 4.8 million in space now. When Kane’s deal runs out, Lafreniere will be due which is great timing. They lose Buchnevich which makes 3.5. The Hawks get a much coveted 1st rounder. Kakko, Buchnevich and Miller. All are 6’3” or bigger except the 1st rounder we haven’t seen yet. That’s how you rebuild a team quick. If and this is a big IF. If Kane would actually go to Buffalo. I’d retain half the salary for a 1st rounder, Cozens and Jack Quinn. I think that might work out too. But this is all speculation and Kane has the “it” factor and sells jerseys and tickets. So I may even ask for more in the deal!!! |
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Post by jacksalmon on Dec 30, 2020 21:35:31 GMT -6
I am not going to do the research, but I wonder if there is any team that is a serious contender that could afford Kane, under their cap situation, without trading a few/couple good players to balance out the salaries. The potential landing sites for Kane that are serious contenders can't trade draft picks because they won't have high enough draft picks to compensate for getting Kane and not giving current NHL quality players in return. If that is true, then would it be worth it to the contender to get Kane and lose two or three quality players from their lineup. I guess each team would have to make that decision, but it would not necessarily work out very well given what they would have give to the Hawks in return. If the Hawks retained roughly half of Kane’s salary. I still feel a great fit would be to the Rags. I still feel it’ll be the best fit as Kane and Panera play together again. At half price it’s an absolute bargain for the next 3 years. I could see a deal like Kane for Buchnevich, Kakko, and K’Andre Miller plus a 1st rounder. The Rags have about 4.8 million in space now. When Kane’s deal runs out, Lafreniere will be due which is great timing. They lose Buchnevich which makes 3.5. The Hawks get a much coveted 1st rounder. Kakko, Buchnevich and Miller. All are 6’3” or bigger except the 1st rounder we haven’t seen yet. That’s how you rebuild a team quick. If and this is a big IF. If Kane would actually go to Buffalo. I’d retain half the salary for a 1st rounder, Cozens and Jack Quinn. I think that might work out too. But this is all speculation and Kane has the “it” factor and sells jerseys and tickets. So I may even ask for more in the deal!!! OK, so at least those trades work out on paper. Why wouldn't Kane want to go somewhere else at this point in his career? He can't be that loyal to the Hawks, can he? Why would he want to stick around and finish in last place, or close to it, for the remaining years on his contract? That would not be much fun for him. It has to be enjoyable to get something out of playing, so he should encourage management to get as much as they can for him and find him a place where he can win another Cup, or at least have a good shot at it. |
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Post by BigT on Dec 31, 2020 8:10:58 GMT -6
If the Hawks retained roughly half of Kane’s salary. I still feel a great fit would be to the Rags. I still feel it’ll be the best fit as Kane and Panera play together again. At half price it’s an absolute bargain for the next 3 years. I could see a deal like Kane for Buchnevich, Kakko, and K’Andre Miller plus a 1st rounder. The Rags have about 4.8 million in space now. When Kane’s deal runs out, Lafreniere will be due which is great timing. They lose Buchnevich which makes 3.5. The Hawks get a much coveted 1st rounder. Kakko, Buchnevich and Miller. All are 6’3” or bigger except the 1st rounder we haven’t seen yet. That’s how you rebuild a team quick. If and this is a big IF. If Kane would actually go to Buffalo. I’d retain half the salary for a 1st rounder, Cozens and Jack Quinn. I think that might work out too. But this is all speculation and Kane has the “it” factor and sells jerseys and tickets. So I may even ask for more in the deal!!! OK, so at least those trades work out on paper. Why wouldn't Kane want to go somewhere else at this point in his career? He can't be that loyal to the Hawks, can he? Why would he want to stick around and finish in last place, or close to it, for the remaining years on his contract? That would not be much fun for him. It has to be enjoyable to get something out of playing, so he should encourage management to get as much as they can for him and find him a place where he can win another Cup, or at least have a good shot at it. Well. Look at the Rags. Lafreniere, Zebanejad, Panera, Kreider, Howden, Lemieux, Trouba , Strome, D’Angelo and Kane? That’s an unreal lineup right there. The Sabres would have Eichel, Hall, Skinner, Reinhart, Staal, Okposo and Kane? That would be insane right there. So those teams do have some tinkering, but they would be much better with Kane and maybe a Kane away from contending!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 31, 2020 8:22:05 GMT -6
I gotta believe Kane passes on that idea. I am not going to do the research, but I wonder if there is any team that is a serious contender that could afford Kane, under their cap situation, without trading a few/couple good players to balance out the salaries. The potential landing sites for Kane that are serious contenders can't trade draft picks because they won't have high enough draft picks to compensate for getting Kane and not giving current NHL quality players in return. If that is true, then would it be worth it to the contender to get Kane and lose two or three quality players from their lineup. I guess each team would have to make that decision, but it would not necessarily work out very well given what they would have give to the Hawks in return. As we've discussed in the past,the Hawks would retain 3-5M in the deal......Patrick Kane @5-7M would be a remarkable deal that team's would ante up for......even with the flat cap. Any 1st round pick is a needed pick with our prospect pool jack but yes,a top three would be great. Look for the team to get that top three pick itself. |
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Post by hsbob on Dec 31, 2020 8:24:10 GMT -6
I gotta believe Kane passes on that idea. True, but going home to Buffalo might interest him. I feel sorry for the dead horse!LOL! Kane might go to Buffalo now because Buffalo's a better team than the Hawks. |
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Post by ebonyraptor on Dec 31, 2020 10:43:33 GMT -6
True, but going home to Buffalo might interest him. I feel sorry for the dead horse!LOL! Kane might go to Buffalo now because Buffalo's a better team than the Hawks. Hall-Eichel-Kane would be one of the top lines in the league. Kane would score a ton. Buffalo is right there on the cusp of being a playoff team and Kane would push them that much closer. Kane would be heralded by the Buffalo fans like Julius Caesar riding victorious into Rome - the Sabre #88 jerseys would be flying off the shelves. |
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