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Post by BigT on Sept 24, 2020 6:08:02 GMT -6
I’d be fine with the return I said, but heyyyyyy, if they’ll give more I’d take. I guess I’d be heavily looking at Kakko with his huge frame to become something special. I’d also love to take Miller, he’s a big body and we just don’t have enough of them. Maybe some of the smaller kids here could thrive like the guys in Tampa if they had some size out there to compliment them!!! fair enough. I wouldn't mind having bother of them either. I just dunno that 2 unproven prospects and a probable mid to late first rounder is enough for likely the greatest American born player ever. but..... what would be? I fear with the flat cap, there’s not going to be many takers for higher priced guys. While you or me don’t have the highest value for Kappo, I’m sure a 2nd overall that made a team his first year has a very high trade value. Look at Svechnikov, he had 37 points as a rookie, then he got 61 in 68 games. That’s what we would like to see outta him and I don’t doubt he will get much better. Same goes for Dach. I could see them both getting in the 50 point range next season. One thing to keep in mind, we’ll never ever replace Kane. He’s once in a lifetime talent. So I think if we could get some pieces back that would aid a full rebuild, then it’s worth it!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 24, 2020 12:10:01 GMT -6
fair enough. I wouldn't mind having bother of them either. I just dunno that 2 unproven prospects and a probable mid to late first rounder is enough for likely the greatest American born player ever. but..... what would be? I fear with the flat cap, there’s not going to be many takers for higher priced guys. While you or me don’t have the highest value for Kappo, I’m sure a 2nd overall that made a team his first year has a very high trade value. Look at Svechnikov, he had 37 points as a rookie, then he got 61 in 68 games. That’s what we would like to see outta him and I don’t doubt he will get much better. Same goes for Dach. I could see them both getting in the 50 point range next season. One thing to keep in mind, we’ll never ever replace Kane. He’s once in a lifetime talent. So I think if we could get some pieces back that would aid a full rebuild, then it’s worth it!!! I am with ya. I could get on board with that move and I think 88 could too. he would be going to a team poised to win. I have my doubts the brass wants to move either of the guys that puts asses in the seats (and they are gonna want LOTS of asses in those seats for the next couple years after the monetary losses this past season), though. i have to think if they are looking to move parts of the core this off-season, they'll likely be looking at guys on the backend. |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 24, 2020 18:44:28 GMT -6
The problem was the Hawks signed Panarin to a bridge deal for 2 years @ 6m per. Then traded him to Columbus for Saad who had 4 years left at the same price. I like Saad of course but the chemistry between Kane and Panarin was legendary. I think they needed someone who fit in with Toews and Saad was a logical choice. I would have kept Panarin even though we knew he was going to have to walk after those 2 years. Ditto. Think of the HAUL we could have got for Panarin at the TDL. Saad...I get. Kane can usually produce on his own and Toews needed some help to perform close to his salary, and Saad & Toews had chemistry before his sojurn to Cbus. In retrospect though it was a bad move. If this team and it's fans want Toews to perform close to his salary then just put him with Kane and we'll probably see 30+ and 80+ again and probably another career year from Kane as well.....just like the year before last when the two were together. No Hossa.....NO Saad and JT had his best year ever and Kane had a better year with JT than he ever did with Panarin! These guys catch the flack of being very highly paid and I get that,they also seem to be an impediment to the team's success for many(not necessarily you) so I ask this..... Why not play these two together all the time and let's see if their numbers don't see the same level as last time......and last time included Sikura for long stretches. Why didn't this team want the best from these two highly paid players again last year? Kane had Carpenter for his center for stretches and JT had Nolander and Queneville for wings at times......WTF? Kane,Toews and either Kubalik or D-Cat when he regains his form would be as good a line as there is in the league........imagine K&T settin you up all game! |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 24, 2020 18:55:40 GMT -6
it doesn't have to be this way if we had a decent GM... I mean at the end of this day almost all of the problems currently are related to the bad contracts and trades Bowman handed out over the years... as I have said many times on the old board, he gets way too much credit for filling in pieces of Cup teams when the top guys... the core... were either drafted for or traded for by his predecessors (Hossa being the exception)... Outside of the core, Stan gets credit for: the vermette deal, saad/shaw draft picks... am I missing any? I hate to be the resident dick. But most trades people think were awesome, I don’t really buy into that as much. I’ll even say it, Vermette wasn’t even that great of a pickup, for the first half of the playoffs I believe he wasn’t used every game. Q couldn’t trust him, and it seemed like Vermette just wasn’t fitting in. He obviously helped some. But he’s not why we won. And if that was more than likely his best trade, a Dawe damn rental? That’s sad. Personally, I think his best trade by far was getting Oduya. I’ll always give credit when due. Oduya fit in perfectly and was a huge part of winning the Cups. He also was not a rental. That was a good positive trade. The Hawks got a lot of value for him. I even thought Handzus was detrimental. Q still had to play the hell out of Toews and he rode his top guys all the way up, and all the way down. The top guys got burnt out, but you could never tell a warrior that they can’t. I thought the same type thing with Roszy, and Timonen. Those guys made Q play Keith, Seabs, Hammer and Oduya much more!!! Scambo can take a long walk off a short pier as far as I'm concerned and the sooner the better but I still can't rewrite history. Vermette was scratched two games in round one and he and Richards had a big part in 15 as did Handzus and Roszival in 13......Q played both a lot. I don't have any particular desire to say this,it just became apparent when I re-watched all the cup wins. I'll continue to point out Scambo's scams like the ones committed last summer but I also have to say Kubalik was a trade win.....no? |
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Post by hsbob on Sept 24, 2020 19:10:15 GMT -6
I fear with the flat cap, there’s not going to be many takers for higher priced guys. While you or me don’t have the highest value for Kappo, I’m sure a 2nd overall that made a team his first year has a very high trade value. Look at Svechnikov, he had 37 points as a rookie, then he got 61 in 68 games. That’s what we would like to see outta him and I don’t doubt he will get much better. Same goes for Dach. I could see them both getting in the 50 point range next season. One thing to keep in mind, we’ll never ever replace Kane. He’s once in a lifetime talent. So I think if we could get some pieces back that would aid a full rebuild, then it’s worth it!!! I am with ya. I could get on board with that move and I think 88 could too. he would be going to a team poised to win. I have my doubts the brass wants to move either of the guys that puts asses in the seats ( and they are gonna want LOTS of asses in those seats for the next couple years after the monetary losses this past season), though. i have to think if they are looking to move parts of the core this off-season, they'll likely be looking at guys on the backend. Thirteen years ago this November,my brother,two buddies and me walked into the UC,bought the cheapest 300lvl seats available and sat front row fairly close to the blue-line,there might have been 10K in attendance to see Big Buff get a nattie as a rookie. Don't for a minute think that management doesn't remember that too. A perennial cellar dweller WITHOUT Kane and Toews could lead to an empty barn as this team has seen often throughout it's history. I am not saying that a successful rebuild wouldn't require moving one or both but does this Org have the wisdom to do it properly or the intestinal fortitude to do it at all. |
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Post by vadarx on Sept 24, 2020 19:40:08 GMT -6
I am with ya. I could get on board with that move and I think 88 could too. he would be going to a team poised to win. I have my doubts the brass wants to move either of the guys that puts asses in the seats ( and they are gonna want LOTS of asses in those seats for the next couple years after the monetary losses this past season), though. i have to think if they are looking to move parts of the core this off-season, they'll likely be looking at guys on the backend. Thirteen years ago this November,my brother,two buddies and me walked into the UC,bought the cheapest 300lvl seats available and sat front row fairly close to the blue-line,there might have been 10K in attendance to see Big Buff get a nattie as a rookie. Don't for a minute think that management doesn't remember that too. A perennial cellar dweller WITHOUT Kane and Toews could lead to an empty barn as this team has seen often throughout it's history. I am not saying that a successful rebuild wouldn't require moving one or both but does this Org have the wisdom to do it properly or the intestinal fortitude to do it at all. indeed. I really doubt those in charge are going to want to see a half full barn after leading the league in attendance for the last decade. I think they'll make sure to hold onto their meal tickets for as long as they can and use every other avenue to rebuild before they head down the one that involves moving both of 19 and 88 outta town. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 2, 2020 13:04:25 GMT -6
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Post by BigT on Oct 2, 2020 13:06:39 GMT -6
It makes the most sense for him. I think it’d be the best move going forward for his career. He can probably get 5 million a year from them too!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 2, 2020 13:15:21 GMT -6
that is where I would go if I were him. |
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Post by hawks27 on Oct 2, 2020 14:18:19 GMT -6
I asked in another thread, but this is probably more appropriate since it's about goal tenders. If Crawford leaves, would the Hawks consider signing Lundquist, now that he's been bought out by the NYR? How much would he need to come to the Hawks, and also.....would he even consider doing so?
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 2, 2020 14:31:34 GMT -6
I asked in another thread, but this is probably more appropriate since it's about goal tenders. If Crawford leaves, would the Hawks consider signing Lundquist, now that he's been bought out by the NYR? How much would he need to come to the Hawks, and also.....would he even consider doing so? this article doesn't really answer your question but it relates to it somewhat. idk...the author figures lundqvist has "an attitude" and calls him a "toxin." maybe some here were aware of that, but it came as news to me. blackhawkup.com/2020/10/02/blackhawks-need-avoid-adding-attitude-like-lundqvists/ |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 2, 2020 16:08:06 GMT -6
I asked in another thread, but this is probably more appropriate since it's about goal tenders. If Crawford leaves, would the Hawks consider signing Lundquist, now that he's been bought out by the NYR? How much would he need to come to the Hawks, and also.....would he even consider doing so? this article doesn't really answer your question but it relates to it somewhat. idk...the author figures lundqvist has "an attitude" and calls him a "toxin." maybe some here were aware of that, but it came as news to me. blackhawkup.com/2020/10/02/blackhawks-need-avoid-adding-attitude-like-lundqvists/Being called a king for many years will probably do that. The Hawks should stay away from a goalie in his late 30's. I'm curious what Crow thinks a hometown discount is. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 2, 2020 16:57:38 GMT -6
Being called a king for many years will probably do that. The Hawks should stay awake from a goalie in his late 30's. I'm curious what Crow thinks a hometown discount is. He wants to be in the limelight like NY. If he goes anywhere I see LA as a back-up. Sounds like when Panarin was leaving the BJ's. You knew he wanted the limelight for his girlfriend so his 3 choices were LA, Miami or NY. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 3, 2020 9:01:39 GMT -6
I think he goes to a top contender for another shot at that elusive cup and I never heard anything in the past about his attitude,good or bad. I dunno if some 'cub' reporter should use terms like 'Toxin' but maybe he's been in the 'room'.....who knows.
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 3, 2020 10:47:28 GMT -6
I think he goes to a top contender for another shot at that elusive cup and I never heard anything in the past about his attitude,good or bad. I dunno if some 'cub' reporter should use terms like 'Toxin' but maybe he's been in the 'room'.....who knows. Yeah that's the first I heard about him having an attitude. And now that Crow is moving on the Hawks are front runners for Matt Murray 👍 |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 3, 2020 10:51:15 GMT -6
I think he goes to a top contender for another shot at that elusive cup and I never heard anything in the past about his attitude,good or bad. I dunno if some 'cub' reporter should use terms like 'Toxin' but maybe he's been in the 'room'.....who knows. Yeah that's the first I heard about him having an attitude. And now that Crow is moving on the Hawks are front runners for Matt Murray 👍 Is Crow moving on official? Is anything official with this FO......is anyone even 100% sure that the GM was extended? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 11:40:48 GMT -6
Just posted this in the other teams thread: Lehner signs with Vegas for 5 year $5 million per. Curious if the thought is he would have wanted more from the Hawks, or if the Hawks have decided they don't want to pay any #1 goalie that much because they are planning on going into full rebuild mode?
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Post by vadarx on Oct 3, 2020 12:34:01 GMT -6
I think he goes to a top contender for another shot at that elusive cup and I never heard anything in the past about his attitude,good or bad. I dunno if some 'cub' reporter should use terms like 'Toxin' but maybe he's been in the 'room'.....who knows. Yeah that's the first I heard about him having an attitude. And now that Crow is moving on the Hawks are front runners for Matt Murray 👍 what do we have to give up for him? |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 3, 2020 17:34:47 GMT -6
Yeah that's the first I heard about him having an attitude. And now that Crow is moving on the Hawks are front runners for Matt Murray 👍 what do we have to give up for him? Maybe Strome or Saad. Not sure what Pittsburghs cap situation is like. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 3, 2020 17:51:27 GMT -6
what do we have to give up for him? Maybe Strome or Saad. Not sure what Pittsburghs cap situation is like. not real good, but doable for Strome. Saad, probably not. the next question would be: how much does Murray want? |
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Post by BigT on Oct 5, 2020 6:25:53 GMT -6
Maybe Strome or Saad. Not sure what Pittsburghs cap situation is like. not real good, but doable for Strome. Saad, probably not. the next question would be: how much does Murray want? I’d have to think Murray will want to be paid amongst the top ten goalies in the league. So I’d have to think he’s gonna get 6+ million. This is why the Hawks cannot go this type of route. The Hawks basically have to rebuild now. No cap space and no one to trade our older parts to. Let Crawford walk, and get a solid vet to come in to stop the bleeding. No huge names and we should give some of the guys in the system a look before we jettison them. Finishing last is gonna happen no matter what Scambo does, it just looks better when you admit it!!! |
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 5, 2020 8:12:26 GMT -6
With limited cap space, a flat cap and Kubalik needing a new deal, I don't see how the Hawks could afford to hand out $6M per year, or more, for a goalie.
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 5, 2020 9:46:36 GMT -6
With limited cap space, a flat cap and Kubalik needing a new deal, I don't see how the Hawks could afford to hand out $6M per year, or more, for a goalie. With the Maatta trade they save 3 mil a year even tho retain 750K, that should be good for a 2nd contract for Kubi. 3m per say for 2-3 years? |
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 5, 2020 10:33:53 GMT -6
With limited cap space, a flat cap and Kubalik needing a new deal, I don't see how the Hawks could afford to hand out $6M per year, or more, for a goalie. With the Maatta trade they save 3 mil a year even tho retain 750K, that should be good for a 2nd contract for Kubi. 3m per say for 2-3 years? I'm behind the times; I didn't know Maatta had been traded. That does help out. I wonder who else might go in a salary dump. Smith maybe? |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 5, 2020 11:41:46 GMT -6
not real good, but doable for Strome. Saad, probably not. the next question would be: how much does Murray want? I’d have to think Murray will want to be paid amongst the top ten goalies in the league. So I’d have to think he’s gonna get 6+ million. This is why the Hawks cannot go this type of route. The Hawks basically have to rebuild now. No cap space and no one to trade our older parts to. Let Crawford walk, and get a solid vet to come in to stop the bleeding. No huge names and we should give some of the guys in the system a look before we jettison them. Finishing last is gonna happen no matter what Scambo does, it just looks better when you admit it!!! I would only be open to Murray if he was willing to sign for a lesser amount. otherwise, I am with you - hard pass. his injury history as of late should work against him as far as what he can demand. that, coupled with his recent on-ice performance, seems like it should prohibit him from asking for too much, but..... |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 5, 2020 11:43:07 GMT -6
With limited cap space, a flat cap and Kubalik needing a new deal, I don't see how the Hawks could afford to hand out $6M per year, or more, for a goalie. With the Maatta trade they save 3 mil a year even tho retain 750K, that should be good for a 2nd contract for Kubi. 3m per say for 2-3 years? lol..... good luck with that..... I'll be a happy man if he signs for that, but i have a feeling he is gonna want more than 3 million per..... |
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Post by davebrau on Oct 5, 2020 11:43:43 GMT -6
not real good, but doable for Strome. Saad, probably not. the next question would be: how much does Murray want? I’d have to think Murray will want to be paid amongst the top ten goalies in the league. So I’d have to think he’s gonna get 6+ million. This is why the Hawks cannot go this type of route. The Hawks basically have to rebuild now. No cap space and no one to trade our older parts to. Let Crawford walk, and get a solid vet to come in to stop the bleeding. No huge names and we should give some of the guys in the system a look before we jettison them. Finishing last is gonna happen no matter what Scambo does, it just looks better when you admit it!!! i just read the Hawks have stopped talking to Murray, im guessing he wants wayyyy more than the Hawks are offering... the Hawks shouldnt need a GT next season anyway, it will be the same ol' shit show as the last few years, so why even bother?? what they really need to do is get a new GM in here... maybe Pace from the Bears? hopefully he is available after this season, because he is terrible too!!!! |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 5, 2020 13:55:54 GMT -6
With the Maatta trade they save 3 mil a year even tho retain 750K, that should be good for a 2nd contract for Kubi. 3m per say for 2-3 years? lol..... good luck with that..... I'll be a happy man if he signs for that, but i have a feeling he is gonna want more than 3 million per..... He's had 1 good year, wouldn't you like to see 2-3 good years first? We don't want to "PANIK" sign over this. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 5, 2020 14:05:35 GMT -6
I’d have to think Murray will want to be paid amongst the top ten goalies in the league. So I’d have to think he’s gonna get 6+ million. This is why the Hawks cannot go this type of route. The Hawks basically have to rebuild now. No cap space and no one to trade our older parts to. Let Crawford walk, and get a solid vet to come in to stop the bleeding. No huge names and we should give some of the guys in the system a look before we jettison them. Finishing last is gonna happen no matter what Scambo does, it just looks better when you admit it!!! i just read the Hawks have stopped talking to Murray, im guessing he wants wayyyy more than the Hawks are offering... the Hawks shouldnt need a GT next season anyway, it will be the same ol' shit show as the last few years, so why even bother?? what they really need to do is get a new GM in here... maybe Pace from the Bears? hopefully he is available after this season, because he is terrible too!!!! The flipside to that is that they need someone good enough in net to help out the youth. With how bad the team D is (FWDs and D-men alike), I don't see any indication that the net will be any less of a shooting gallery than it has been. The difference between a starter-average goaltender and a fringe backup (.915 vs .900) is about 1 GA/GP while facing the onslaught of pucks the 'hawks face--about 3GAA vs 4GAA. That shouldn't be much cap to do if we acquire an aging vet to bring along a kid goaltender--2-3M MAX. We've seen how bad it was in the latter have of 2017-2018 when Crawford wasn't around to carry the Team D's carcass and we were left with Forsberg, etc. An entire year of that and the 'hawks are bottom 3--which will likely impact ticket sales, and might mean good kids want to leave as well. We need a goaltender--it just doesn't have to be top-tier--rather someone that can give the kids a fighting change at development and not being lit up every night. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 5, 2020 14:36:31 GMT -6
I’d have to think Murray will want to be paid amongst the top ten goalies in the league. So I’d have to think he’s gonna get 6+ million. This is why the Hawks cannot go this type of route. The Hawks basically have to rebuild now. No cap space and no one to trade our older parts to. Let Crawford walk, and get a solid vet to come in to stop the bleeding. No huge names and we should give some of the guys in the system a look before we jettison them. Finishing last is gonna happen no matter what Scambo does, it just looks better when you admit it!!! i just read the Hawks have stopped talking to Murray, im guessing he wants wayyyy more than the Hawks are offering... the Hawks shouldnt need a GT next season anyway, it will be the same ol' shit show as the last few years, so why even bother?? what they really need to do is get a new GM in here... maybe Pace from the Bears? hopefully he is available after this season, because he is terrible too!!!! 😅 he has done enough in Halas Hall, he can stay his ass far away from the UC! |
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