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Post by vadarx on Oct 5, 2020 14:38:25 GMT -6
lol..... good luck with that..... I'll be a happy man if he signs for that, but i have a feeling he is gonna want more than 3 million per..... He's had 1 good year, wouldn't you like to see 2-3 good years first? We don't want to "PANIK" sign over this. of course I would. that isn't going to keep him from asking for more than 3 per, though. Calder finalist, 30 goals in less than a full rookie season. he is for sure asking for more. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 5, 2020 16:41:03 GMT -6
He's had 1 good year, wouldn't you like to see 2-3 good years first? We don't want to "PANIK" sign over this. of course I would. that isn't going to keep him from asking for more than 3 per, though. Calder finalist, 30 goals in less than a full rookie season. he is for sure asking for more. Imagine if a team like Carolina or Montreal or even Ottawa steps up and throws an offer sheet at him? If the pay 6.3 million or less. The most the compensation would be at 6.3 is a gawd damn 1st and 3rd round pick. The Hawks don’t have the cap space to match that and probably won’t. So I don’t see anyway they can stop an offer sheet. If I was the Habs, I’d definitely offersheet him. That’s not a lot to give up for that guy. So I’d look to see that happening. It wouldn’t shock me one bit. And it’s next years draft picks too as the draft this year would have already happened!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 5, 2020 17:46:33 GMT -6
of course I would. that isn't going to keep him from asking for more than 3 per, though. Calder finalist, 30 goals in less than a full rookie season. he is for sure asking for more. Imagine if a team like Carolina or Montreal or even Ottawa steps up and throws an offer sheet at him? If the pay 6.3 million or less. The most the compensation would be at 6.3 is a gawd damn 1st and 3rd round pick. The Hawks don’t have the cap space to match that and probably won’t. So I don’t see anyway they can stop an offer sheet. If I was the Habs, I’d definitely offersheet him. That’s not a lot to give up for that guy. So I’d look to see that happening. It wouldn’t shock me one bit. And it’s next years draft picks too as the draft this year would have already happened!!! if we got a first and third for a guy we traded a 5th rounder for, I dunno if I would be too upset, tbh. to be clear, I would prefer to keep Kubalik in Chicago. but if someone offers him that much, welp..... not much we can do about it. we definitely can't afford to pay him that much. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 5, 2020 18:32:41 GMT -6
Imagine if a team like Carolina or Montreal or even Ottawa steps up and throws an offer sheet at him? If the pay 6.3 million or less. The most the compensation would be at 6.3 is a gawd damn 1st and 3rd round pick. The Hawks don’t have the cap space to match that and probably won’t. So I don’t see anyway they can stop an offer sheet. If I was the Habs, I’d definitely offersheet him. That’s not a lot to give up for that guy. So I’d look to see that happening. It wouldn’t shock me one bit. And it’s next years draft picks too as the draft this year would have already happened!!! if we got a first and third for a guy we traded a 5th rounder for, I dunno if I would be too upset, tbh. to be clear, I would prefer to keep Kubalik in Chicago. but if someone offers him that much, welp..... not much we can do about it. we definitely can't afford to pay him that much. I think it’ll be disastrous as Stan has had a tough time finding top end talent. He needs a playoff team...... bad. He’s sold this his ideas that he has the right plan in place and finding Kubalik only strengthens his position as staying on as GM. If he lost him to an offer sheet, the picks wouldn’t be until 2021 draft. That would be horrible for him and the team. Cuz the team that does it probably gets better by next year and he will end up with a 20 something pick. Not ideal for this kid!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 5, 2020 21:14:33 GMT -6
if we got a first and third for a guy we traded a 5th rounder for, I dunno if I would be too upset, tbh. to be clear, I would prefer to keep Kubalik in Chicago. but if someone offers him that much, welp..... not much we can do about it. we definitely can't afford to pay him that much. I think it’ll be disastrous as Stan has had a tough time finding top end talent. He needs a playoff team...... bad. He’s sold this his ideas that he has the right plan in place and finding Kubalik only strengthens his position as staying on as GM. If he lost him to an offer sheet, the picks wouldn’t be until 2021 draft. That would be horrible for him and the team. Cuz the team that does it probably gets better by next year and he will end up with a 20 something pick. Not ideal for this kid!!! likely so. since when do we care if it is bad for Bowman, though? |
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Post by BigT on Oct 6, 2020 5:53:27 GMT -6
I think it’ll be disastrous as Stan has had a tough time finding top end talent. He needs a playoff team...... bad. He’s sold this his ideas that he has the right plan in place and finding Kubalik only strengthens his position as staying on as GM. If he lost him to an offer sheet, the picks wouldn’t be until 2021 draft. That would be horrible for him and the team. Cuz the team that does it probably gets better by next year and he will end up with a 20 something pick. Not ideal for this kid!!! likely so. since when do we care if it is bad for Bowman, though? Ohh, I care for him. I’d even drive him out of the UC and away from hockey if needed. I’ll even help him pick out a new Jean Shirt, Jean Pants, Jean Jacket, Jean Hat and Jean socks. So he can fall back into civilian life!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 6, 2020 8:11:15 GMT -6
of course I would. that isn't going to keep him from asking for more than 3 per, though. Calder finalist, 30 goals in less than a full rookie season. he is for sure asking for more. Imagine if a team like Carolina or Montreal or even Ottawa steps up and throws an offer sheet at him? If the pay 6.3 million or less. The most the compensation would be at 6.3 is a gawd damn 1st and 3rd round pick. The Hawks don’t have the cap space to match that and probably won’t. So I don’t see anyway they can stop an offer sheet. If I was the Habs, I’d definitely offersheet him. That’s not a lot to give up for that guy. So I’d look to see that happening. It wouldn’t shock me one bit. And it’s next years draft picks too as the draft this year would have already happened!!! Laine only got 6.75M after scoring 138gls in 305gms and that's a big sample size and before the flat cap was announced,I doubt any team offers that much T but what scares me is what will Scambo do if there is a higher than reasonable offer sheet? |
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Post by BigT on Oct 6, 2020 8:25:58 GMT -6
Imagine if a team like Carolina or Montreal or even Ottawa steps up and throws an offer sheet at him? If the pay 6.3 million or less. The most the compensation would be at 6.3 is a gawd damn 1st and 3rd round pick. The Hawks don’t have the cap space to match that and probably won’t. So I don’t see anyway they can stop an offer sheet. If I was the Habs, I’d definitely offersheet him. That’s not a lot to give up for that guy. So I’d look to see that happening. It wouldn’t shock me one bit. And it’s next years draft picks too as the draft this year would have already happened!!! Laine only got 6.75M after scoring 138gls in 305gms and that's a big sample size and before the flat cap was announced,I doubt any team offers that much T but what scares me is what will Scambo do if there is a higher than reasonable offer sheet? Considering the age difference, I can see someone paying him for 6 years 37/38 million. I think even if he stays par and is a 30 goal scorer, it’s a bargain now and a bigger bargain later. Just like Aho last year, the Habs sheeted him at 8.5, now he’s a gawd damn bargain. I see the same with Kubalik. He’s already putting up better numbers than Saad, and he probably wants to be paid like him. His agent will ensure he gets the most. I don’t think 6.3 is that bad!!! |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 6, 2020 9:08:36 GMT -6
Laine only got 6.75M after scoring 138gls in 305gms and that's a big sample size and before the flat cap was announced,I doubt any team offers that much T but what scares me is what will Scambo do if there is a higher than reasonable offer sheet? Considering the age difference, I can see someone paying him for 6 years 37/38 million. I think even if he stays par and is a 30 goal scorer, it’s a bargain now and a bigger bargain later. Just like Aho last year, the Habs sheeted him at 8.5, now he’s a gawd damn bargain. I see the same with Kubalik. He’s already putting up better numbers than Saad, and he probably wants to be paid like him. His agent will ensure he gets the most. I don’t think 6.3 is that bad!!! I guess "we'll see" a wise man once said but I believe teams want to see more than one year before they hand out a huge deal and I hope we're one of those teams. |
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Post by BigT on Oct 6, 2020 9:59:48 GMT -6
Considering the age difference, I can see someone paying him for 6 years 37/38 million. I think even if he stays par and is a 30 goal scorer, it’s a bargain now and a bigger bargain later. Just like Aho last year, the Habs sheeted him at 8.5, now he’s a gawd damn bargain. I see the same with Kubalik. He’s already putting up better numbers than Saad, and he probably wants to be paid like him. His agent will ensure he gets the most. I don’t think 6.3 is that bad!!! I guess "we'll see" a wise man once said but I believe teams want to see more than one year before they hand out a huge deal and I hope we're one of those teams. One thing to keep in mind is that Kubalik more than likely gets to 34-36 goal mark if not for the stoppage. I know it’s one year. But 35-40 goal scorers are no fluke. Cannot cheat a 35 goal season. Also, I only said 6.3 because that’s the high end of the compensation. Someone could sign him to a 4.3-6.3 for a 1st and a 3rd. At 4.2, it costs a 2nd rounder. So if the Hawks only have enough to pay between 3-4 million, they could get Shanghai'd here!!! |
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Post by shooter61 on Oct 6, 2020 14:34:50 GMT -6
funny how that doesn't work for the Cat
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Post by BigT on Oct 6, 2020 15:37:00 GMT -6
funny how that doesn't work for the Cat What? An offer sheet? Stan signed him a year ago and that wasn’t ever an option!!! |
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Post by shooter61 on Oct 6, 2020 19:19:32 GMT -6
no , I'm talking about But 35-40 goal scorers are no fluke. Cannot cheat a 35 goal season
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Post by BigT on Oct 7, 2020 6:26:08 GMT -6
no , I'm talking about But 35-40 goal scorers are no fluke. Cannot cheat a 35 goal season Who said he’s a fluke? MVR is the only one saying he doesn’t want to pay a one dimensional player that much. Ive said that for the right pieces I’d entertain a trade on him........ and everyone else for that matter. But if you look back since before he was drafted, I was a fan of his. And I think most people are. As for his set back this year, I’d have to think coaching was a big part of that. He spent a lot of time on line 3, and I believe he led the team in PP goals. So it’s proven he can score when he’s with suitable players. Same goes for Laine. He’s not even with their best center Scheifele. That’s why he’s pissed in Winterpeg. So I think if Dcat is more of a one dimensional player, why don’t we cater to that to get the most out of? It’s like asking Koekkoek to be the PP QB. He just can’t do it. So why ask Dcat to take on a checking role? Or to play defensive? He’s paid to score so let him just do that!!! |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 7, 2020 11:58:36 GMT -6
of course I would. that isn't going to keep him from asking for more than 3 per, though. Calder finalist, 30 goals in less than a full rookie season. he is for sure asking for more. Imagine if a team like Carolina or Montreal or even Ottawa steps up and throws an offer sheet at him? If the pay 6.3 million or less. The most the compensation would be at 6.3 is a gawd damn 1st and 3rd round pick. The Hawks don’t have the cap space to match that and probably won’t. So I don’t see anyway they can stop an offer sheet. If I was the Habs, I’d definitely offersheet him. That’s not a lot to give up for that guy. So I’d look to see that happening. It wouldn’t shock me one bit. And it’s next years draft picks too as the draft this year would have already happened!!! At that point I'd still take the picks and run--especially with Ottawa. Edmonton has been proving it takes more than 1 or 2 players to be worth a squirt of piss so that 1st and 3rd would probably be a very good pick. In the mean time, with losing that much offence and the D he brings, coupled with all other things, the 'hawks likely are a bottom-feeder. Hopefully that will be enough to get Stan ousted--especially if season tickets tank. |
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Post by Tater on Oct 8, 2020 11:24:48 GMT -6
It sounds like he is now gone. Sorry I don't have a link.
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 8, 2020 11:41:49 GMT -6
It sounds like he is now gone. Sorry I don't have a link. Saw it on Twitter. Seems like Stan wants to go with Lankinen and Delia. Idiot. With how bad and old the Team D is, you'd want a vet as a backup when the Team D shits itself. I'm expecting the 2nd half of 2018 fir the 2021 season at this point. Here's hoping they prove me wrong since there's no Scott Foster to save our bacon. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 11:57:56 GMT -6
I have no problem with letting Crawford walk, obviously, I've made my position on him clear over the years.
What I don't get, again, is Stan.
If you were going to let him walk why not trade him at the deadline? For anything, even a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Instead of letting him go for nothing now?
And the decision not to has such a domino effect. If your goalie for the restart is subban there is no way they get past Edmonton and then they're in the lottery where they belong. So the decision to not deal Crawford and let him walk now means it cost them draft positioning, at least one extra draft pick and an opportunity to get young goalies some seasoning.
What a disaster
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Post by hsbob on Oct 8, 2020 12:09:54 GMT -6
I have no problem with letting Crawford walk, obviously, I've made my position on him clear over the years.What I don't get, again, is Stan. If you were going to let him walk why not trade him at the deadline? For anything, even a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Instead of letting him go for nothing now? And the decision not to has such a domino effect. If your goalie for the restart is subban there is no way they get past Edmonton and then they're in the lottery where they belong. So the decision to not deal Crawford and let him walk now means it cost them draft positioning, at least one extra draft pick and an opportunity to get young goalies some seasoning. What a disaster Yes you have and I give you credit for admitting it. The question is,what does this nitwit do now? |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 8, 2020 13:08:11 GMT -6
End of an era!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 13:16:29 GMT -6
I have no problem with letting Crawford walk, obviously, I've made my position on him clear over the years.What I don't get, again, is Stan. If you were going to let him walk why not trade him at the deadline? For anything, even a 2nd or 3rd round pick? Instead of letting him go for nothing now? And the decision not to has such a domino effect. If your goalie for the restart is subban there is no way they get past Edmonton and then they're in the lottery where they belong. So the decision to not deal Crawford and let him walk now means it cost them draft positioning, at least one extra draft pick and an opportunity to get young goalies some seasoning. What a disaster Yes you have and I give you credit for admitting it. The question is,what does this nitwit do now? I honestly have no idea. He’s backed himself into a corner. I admit I’d like to see if subban can become the guy many thought he was when drafted but need a good veteran behind him to let that happen. No prospects are ready for a full time job behind this atrocious defense. Whole thing is a mess. If stan’s plan is to role with Delia and subban then might as well really go into that full rebuild mode now. Ask 2/19/88 to waive their NMCs and trade them for best offers. Cause with this defense and 2 young inexperienced netminders they’re going to give up 5-6 G Per game. |
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Post by mvr on Oct 8, 2020 13:42:19 GMT -6
I am disappointed about the Crawford news.
My guess is that this is as much about Crawford's line in the sand as it is Bowman's.
Bowman had little wiggle room on salary. He could have offered longer term, but we all understand the risks involved.
Crawford can easily make more money on a short term situation elsewhere (and likely for a cup contender). I do not blame him for exploring his options, nor do I fault Bowman for not giving in here.
Sometimes, things don't work out.
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Post by mvr on Oct 8, 2020 13:53:13 GMT -6
If a "youth movement" is now in full swing, I think Saad and Murphy need to go now while they are at peak trade value.
As Merper said above, this team is going to give up a ton of scoring opportunities. I would like the coaching staff should take a page from Denis Savard. Don't worry so much about defensive systems.
Let the kids play and gain some confidence. If the opposition is going to score five goals, the goal should be to get six.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 14:01:24 GMT -6
If a "youth movement" is now in full swing, I think Saad and Murphy need to go now while they are at peak trade value. As Merper said above, this team is going to give up a ton of scoring opportunities. I would like the coaching staff should take a page from Denis Savard. Don't worry so much about defensive systems. Let the kids play and gain some confidence. If the opposition is going to score five goals, the goal should be to get six. Yes I agree with you here but can this offense score 5-6 A game? Not so sure. In order for it to do so going to need a major rebound season from debrincat and strome and kubalik not to have a sophomore slump. And dach to take the next step too. Needless to say I’m in a bit of a state of angered shock over where this franchise is right now. I knew the dynasty wouldn’t last forever I just didn’t expect it to come crashing down so quickly and there to be no plan or decent execution to right the ship. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 8, 2020 14:28:15 GMT -6
first off....
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Post by vadarx on Oct 8, 2020 14:35:30 GMT -6
secondly.....
what a fucking bummer. I dont blame him at all for wanting to move on and try and win one more time. I hope he lands in Denver and wins the Avs a Cup next season. that team is ready made for him.
gonna miss Crow. one of the best guys on the team. i don't know that his 50 ends up in the rafters, but I hope that it does someday. of all the players on the team that will come back and take One More Shift, Crow is one of only 2-3 that I will want to fly back to Chicago and be there in person for it.
best of luck to ya, Corey, ya fuckin beauty!
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Post by vadarx on Oct 8, 2020 14:39:46 GMT -6
I am disappointed about the Crawford news. My guess is that this is as much about Crawford's line in the sand as it is Bowman's. Bowman had little wiggle room on salary. He could have offered longer term, but we all understand the risks involved. Crawford can easily make more money on a short term situation elsewhere (and likely for a cup contender). I do not blame him for exploring his options, nor do I fault Bowman for not giving in here. Sometimes, things don't work out. as much as I would to rage at Stan for this, i can't. Crow likely wanted more than we could afford (and he deserves it) and so he had to make a choice and this is the correct choice. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 8, 2020 16:50:00 GMT -6
The Hawks also did not qualify offer to Subban either.
Looks like Delia and Lankinen will be the duo.
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Post by hsbob on Oct 8, 2020 16:51:15 GMT -6
Yes you have and I give you credit for admitting it. The question is,what does this nitwit do now? I honestly have no idea. He’s backed himself into a corner. I admit I’d like to see if subban can become the guy many thought he was when drafted but need a good veteran behind him to let that happen. No prospects are ready for a full time job behind this atrocious defense. Whole thing is a mess. If stan’s plan is to role with Delia and subban then might as well really go into that full rebuild mode now. Ask 2/19/88 to waive their NMCs and trade them for best offers. Cause with this defense and 2 young inexperienced netminders they’re going to give up 5-6 G Per game. Suban didn't get a qualifying offer. |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 8, 2020 16:56:11 GMT -6
The Hawks also did not qualify offer to Subban either. Looks like Delia and Lankinen will be the duo. He'll have to admit to a rebuild if we see these two in net,might as well blow it up shorty! |
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