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Post by BigT on Jun 21, 2020 10:35:28 GMT -6
I think at 9 or 10, the Hawks are probably gonna fill a void. Whether that’s a goalie or a forward is to be seen. I don’t think they draft another dman, even if they’re the best player we see as available. I think there’s enough forwards in this draft to justify taking one with the pick. If we weren’t about to enter a rebuilding phase, I’d agree fully with taking the best player available. The best teams draft and develop areas of need. I hope we have success in areas of need. If you take Stan Bowman’s way, and say “you can acquire those guys later”, you’ll end up last. He was referring to guys with size. If you’re desperate for a certain type player, you’re gonna pay dearly for that said player. Kinda like Joker for Nylander, or Taylor Hall for Adam Larson. I see the same rookie mistakes that Stan is making that the Oilers did. Kevin Lowe took over a Cup bound team too and destroyed it by “chasing the dream” as he alluded to. If the Bowman’s don’t shift gears here, we’re gonna be locked in a 10 year fight our way out of the middle to the bottom, then rebuild. It’s best to unload a lot of players now and find a new path!!!
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Post by hsbob on Jun 21, 2020 11:22:44 GMT -6
oh no! sanderson's dad (former nhler geoff sanderson) is cousins with sheldon brookbank so he's already got an in. sanderson's over 6" and already a 185 pounder at 17 years old so that should be enough size to scare the hawks away : ) Well Kelley and Bowman shocked us last year when they didn't take the small local kid and took a 6'4" 198lb Canadian in Dach, with the last 3mnths to add to his frame I'm sure he's in the 200s now, maybe even 6'5". So I wouldn't be surprised if they took Geoffs son, I read good things about him and like you said, over 6' and 185 at 17 are good numbers and if he can skate like his dad he'd be a solid dman. Even if the Hawks drafted Byram last year, if the best player available when they use their first pick this year is a dman, you take him. It sounds like Dach should be big enough to stick up for himself next year......he'll have to at some point because he's on an island like the rest of our kids. Sanderson has good size @6' 185lbs but Turcotte is small @5'11" 185lbs? I knew an extra inch is important but not that much!LOL! I'd take the Dman if he's available and the best player too because our top three prospects are sub 180lb D-men and there were only a handful to make the league at that weight last year for a reason. One will probably be moved along with one vet...….this will give SB more glorious chances to really F things up if done incorrectly! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 13:12:49 GMT -6
IF we pick around 9, there is a pretty good chance your scenario will be exactly what happens, with us picking between Askarov and Sanderson..... oh no! sanderson's dad (former nhler geoff sanderson) is cousins with sheldon brookbank so he's already got an in. sanderson's over 6" and already a 185 pounder at 17 years old so that should be enough size to scare the hawks away : )  |
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Post by BigT on Jun 21, 2020 15:41:56 GMT -6
oh no! sanderson's dad (former nhler geoff sanderson) is cousins with sheldon brookbank so he's already got an in. sanderson's over 6" and already a 185 pounder at 17 years old so that should be enough size to scare the hawks away : ) Phil, you’re a beauty!!! |
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Jun 21, 2020 19:34:15 GMT -6
Well Kelley and Bowman shocked us last year when they didn't take the small local kid and took a 6'4" 198lb Canadian in Dach, with the last 3mnths to add to his frame I'm sure he's in the 200s now, maybe even 6'5". So I wouldn't be surprised if they took Geoffs son, I read good things about him and like you said, over 6' and 185 at 17 are good numbers and if he can skate like his dad he'd be a solid dman. Even if the Hawks drafted Byram last year, if the best player available when they use their first pick this year is a dman, you take him. It sounds like Dach should be big enough to stick up for himself next year......he'll have to at some point because he's on an island like the rest of our kids. Sanderson has good size @6' 185lbs but Turcotte is small @5'11" 185lbs? I knew an extra inch is important but not that much!LOL! I'd take the Dman if he's available and the best player too because our top three prospects are sub 180lb D-men and there were only a handful to make the league at that weight last year for a reason. One will probably be moved along with one vet...….this will give SB more glorious chances to really F things up if done incorrectly! Compared to Dach, yes Turcotte is small. Dach proved he can handle himself so extra weight and knowing the league better will definitely help. Hopefully the mentality changes so young guys like Dach don't have to battle by themselves. And 5'11" 185lbs is decent but Sanderson is 6'2", 3 inches is much better than 1 lol plus he's 17. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 22, 2020 15:29:41 GMT -6
I would agree with that assessment, but he may be the best available when we pick so... I'm an extremely strong believer in taking the best player available when it's your turn regardless of position. But myself...i think we got enough d-men in the pipeline.I don't. Prospects fail and they can always be used as bargaining chips, and one of the issues that seems to be the case with Stan's 'hawks is putting his eggs in one basket and banking on success from guys like Debrincat, Kubalik, and Panarin--see also Sikura and Runblad. IMHO we have not seen enough of Beaudin or Mitchell to even begin to guess what they'll be in actuality once they take regular shifts on NHL ice. Boqvist is a little bit more fleshed out but among those 3 I'm not seeing anything that is a guaranteed next top pair anchor at the NHL level--and that has to be something the 'hawks need to be looking for. That being said FWD and G shouldn't be neglected, but the 'hawks shouldn't be thinking about passing over a good D man at the draft because of who they got in the pipeline--the more competition the better. Best player at the draft pick IMHO: D, G, or FWD. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 22, 2020 17:40:31 GMT -6
I don't. Prospects fail and they can always be used as bargaining chips, and one of the issues that seems to be the case with Stan's 'hawks is putting his eggs in one basket and banking on success from guys like Debrincat, Kubalik, and Panarin--see also Sikura and Runblad. IMHO we have not seen enough of Beaudin or Mitchell to even begin to guess what they'll be in actuality once they take regular shifts on NHL ice. Boqvist is a little bit more fleshed out but among those 3 I'm not seeing anything that is a guaranteed next top pair anchor at the NHL level--and that has to be something the 'hawks need to be looking for. That being said FWD and G shouldn't be neglected, but the 'hawks shouldn't be thinking about passing over a good D man at the draft because of who they got in the pipeline--the more competition the better. Best player at the draft pick IMHO: D, G, or FWD. can't argue your points but what have we got for forwards either in juniors or in rockford? pretty much diddly squat. and in the meantime the ones we got on the big club get older every year. so i guess we'll agree to disagree. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Jun 23, 2020 8:47:34 GMT -6
I don't. Prospects fail and they can always be used as bargaining chips, and one of the issues that seems to be the case with Stan's 'hawks is putting his eggs in one basket and banking on success from guys like Debrincat, Kubalik, and Panarin--see also Sikura and Runblad. IMHO we have not seen enough of Beaudin or Mitchell to even begin to guess what they'll be in actuality once they take regular shifts on NHL ice. Boqvist is a little bit more fleshed out but among those 3 I'm not seeing anything that is a guaranteed next top pair anchor at the NHL level--and that has to be something the 'hawks need to be looking for. That being said FWD and G shouldn't be neglected, but the 'hawks shouldn't be thinking about passing over a good D man at the draft because of who they got in the pipeline--the more competition the better. Best player at the draft pick IMHO: D, G, or FWD. can't argue your points but what have we got for forwards either in juniors or in rockford? pretty much diddly squat. and in the meantime the ones we got on the big club get older every year. so i guess we'll agree to disagree. At FWD we got Dach, Debrincat, and if they resign Kubalik and Strome who are for all intents and purposes NHL'ers--and Debrincat & Kubalik are 30 goal scorers. Further: Toews, Saad, and Kane are all younger than Keith. I think it's a safe bet that Kane & Toews will see one more contract after 2023. Keith? Probably not. Murphy may be decent but he's not a top-pairing guy. Your point has merit though. I wouldn't specifically take a D-man over a FWD, but I wouldn't specifically take a FWD over a D-man, either. I think the 'hawks in the near-term are slightly better at FWD than they are D in terms of proven NHL capabilities, but only just. The cupboards are pretty bare, though. There may be something to be said about a FWD being quicker to push to the NHL which I get and I think that's why they eyed Dach, but I think the 'hawks planning needs to be eyeing 2023 and the inevitable retirement of Keith. The only saving grace at goal IMHO is that some of the best goaltender-years that have happened were performed by guys in their late 30's: Thomas, Hašek, Roloson, etc. all produced .930 or better years in their late 30s (and Thomas' 2011 campaign at 37 was the best goaltender-year ever). Crawford may buy us a year or two of time assuming he's not ran once again--but even then we should be thinking of the succession plan. |
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Post by acesandeights on Jun 23, 2020 11:17:58 GMT -6
I think at 9 or 10, the Hawks are probably gonna fill a void. Whether that’s a goalie or a forward is to be seen. I don’t think they draft another dman, even if they’re the best player we see as available. I think there’s enough forwards in this draft to justify taking one with the pick. If we weren’t about to enter a rebuilding phase, I’d agree fully with taking the best player available. The best teams draft and develop areas of need. I hope we have success in areas of need. If you take Stan Bowman’s way, and say “you can acquire those guys later”, you’ll end up last. He was referring to guys with size. If you’re desperate for a certain type player, you’re gonna pay dearly for that said player. Kinda like Joker for Nylander, or Taylor Hall for Adam Larson. I see the same rookie mistakes that Stan is making that the Oilers did. Kevin Lowe took over a Cup bound team too and destroyed it by “chasing the dream” as he alluded to. If the Bowman’s don’t shift gears here, we’re gonna be locked in a 10 year fight our way out of the middle to the bottom, then rebuild. It’s best to unload a lot of players now and find a new path!!! Isn't that really what the Hawks did last year when they took Dach? Maybe I missed one but I cannot recall seeing any mock draft that had Dach going 3rd right after Hughes and Kaako. And I also cannot recall any prospect ranking that listed Dach as the 3rd best prospect. I think I saw mostly Byram rated 3rd. A couple of days ago I was reading some general draft comments from The Hockey Writers and the writer made a comment that teams don't draft "best player" but will go for need. His comment was something similar to " you can talk all you want about taking the 'best player' but in the draft teams will go for need." I'm guessing he meant after the unanimous elite, can't miss guys are gone; and that's usually only one or maybe two. FWIW, their mock had the Hawks at 9 taking Askarov. They had the top F/C's and Drysdale all going before the Hawks pick. |
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Post by galaxytrash on Jun 23, 2020 17:31:47 GMT -6
I wouldn't specifically take a D-man over a FWD, but I wouldn't specifically take a FWD over a D-man, either. one point we can agree on. : ) |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 1, 2020 0:13:56 GMT -6
who we taking?
personally, I hope we make some moves before the first round and either move up or add another first rounder. but as of now, we pick 17th.
who ya got?
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 1, 2020 7:58:27 GMT -6
If they stay at 17, I could only say it will be a F or a C. If Strome actually does get traded (I've never been clear, are these rumblings coming from the front office or just from the media?), I think they look more at a C, if there's one that's good enough at that point. There are more D prospects than at F/C so they'll go upfront.
I know I'm about the only one on here that would like to see Askarov be the pick but Stan would need to move up to get him. I know most are scared off by a G but this guy is a possible franchise type and when would the Hawks get another chance at a franchise type G. I feel in net is the weakest area of the team and I'd hate to see Stan give up assets just for a short term guy.
I'm sure everyone is seeing these same names in mocks as the Hawks pick at 17. I've seen Dylan Holloway a couple of times, Anton Lundell a couple of times, although Lundell was mostly in earlier mocks. I saw one that had the Hawks bypassing Askarov at 17 and take Noel Gunler, with Askarov lasting until 20. Other names I've seen have been Jan Mysak, Mavrik Bourque, Dawson Mercer twice and Seth Jarvis in a video.
I've seen Jake Sanderson's name anywhere from about 13 to the low 20's, but never to the Hawks.
I go along with vadarx's comment; I'd like to see another first rd. pick added and I'd like to see Stan move up.
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 1, 2020 7:58:38 GMT -6
who we taking? personally, I hope we make some moves before the first round and either move up or add another first rounder. but as of now, we pick 17th. who ya got? Playing Devil's Advocate: Who could we send out for a better 1st round pick? I'm still wondering if we get pick 76 or 81 for Gus. I don't think the Oil have announced their response to the James Neal situation, but I'm interested to see how that plays out. Not getting a warm feeling about this one though. That being said, I'd go for Lundell or Ghule. Maybe Askarov but given the nature of goalies I'm reticent on going goalie early. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 1, 2020 14:17:31 GMT -6
If they stay at 17, I could only say it will be a F or a C. If Strome actually does get traded (I've never been clear, are these rumblings coming from the front office or just from the media?), I think they look more at a C, if there's one that's good enough at that point. There are more D prospects than at F/C so they'll go upfront. I know I'm about the only one on here that would like to see Askarov be the pick but Stan would need to move up to get him. I know most are scared off by a G but this guy is a possible franchise type and when would the Hawks get another chance at a franchise type G. I feel in net is the weakest area of the team and I'd hate to see Stan give up assets just for a short term guy. I'm sure everyone is seeing these same names in mocks as the Hawks pick at 17. I've seen Dylan Holloway a couple of times, Anton Lundell a couple of times, although Lundell was mostly in earlier mocks. I saw one that had the Hawks bypassing Askarov at 17 and take Noel Gunler, with Askarov lasting until 20. Other names I've seen have been Jan Mysak, Mavrik Bourque, Dawson Mercer twice and Seth Jarvis in a video. I've seen Jake Sanderson's name anywhere from about 13 to the low 20's, but never to the Hawks. I go along with vadarx's comment; I'd like to see another first rd. pick added and I'd like to see Stan move up. Weakest area on the team is....GM. |
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Post by LordKOTL on Oct 1, 2020 14:21:13 GMT -6
If they stay at 17, I could only say it will be a F or a C. If Strome actually does get traded (I've never been clear, are these rumblings coming from the front office or just from the media?), I think they look more at a C, if there's one that's good enough at that point. There are more D prospects than at F/C so they'll go upfront. I know I'm about the only one on here that would like to see Askarov be the pick but Stan would need to move up to get him. I know most are scared off by a G but this guy is a possible franchise type and when would the Hawks get another chance at a franchise type G. I feel in net is the weakest area of the team and I'd hate to see Stan give up assets just for a short term guy. I'm sure everyone is seeing these same names in mocks as the Hawks pick at 17. I've seen Dylan Holloway a couple of times, Anton Lundell a couple of times, although Lundell was mostly in earlier mocks. I saw one that had the Hawks bypassing Askarov at 17 and take Noel Gunler, with Askarov lasting until 20. Other names I've seen have been Jan Mysak, Mavrik Bourque, Dawson Mercer twice and Seth Jarvis in a video. I've seen Jake Sanderson's name anywhere from about 13 to the low 20's, but never to the Hawks. I go along with vadarx's comment; I'd like to see another first rd. pick added and I'd like to see Stan move up. Weakest area on the team is....GM.  |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 1, 2020 17:40:24 GMT -6
If they stay at 17, I could only say it will be a F or a C. If Strome actually does get traded (I've never been clear, are these rumblings coming from the front office or just from the media?), I think they look more at a C, if there's one that's good enough at that point. There are more D prospects than at F/C so they'll go upfront. I know I'm about the only one on here that would like to see Askarov be the pick but Stan would need to move up to get him. I know most are scared off by a G but this guy is a possible franchise type and when would the Hawks get another chance at a franchise type G. I feel in net is the weakest area of the team and I'd hate to see Stan give up assets just for a short term guy. I'm sure everyone is seeing these same names in mocks as the Hawks pick at 17. I've seen Dylan Holloway a couple of times, Anton Lundell a couple of times, although Lundell was mostly in earlier mocks. I saw one that had the Hawks bypassing Askarov at 17 and take Noel Gunler, with Askarov lasting until 20. Other names I've seen have been Jan Mysak, Mavrik Bourque, Dawson Mercer twice and Seth Jarvis in a video. I've seen Jake Sanderson's name anywhere from about 13 to the low 20's, but never to the Hawks. I go along with vadarx's comment; I'd like to see another first rd. pick added and I'd like to see Stan move up. let me start with: you are not the only one on the Askarov bandwagon, Aces! he is one of the reasons I would like to see Stan move whatever he has to out to get another first rounder and then package one of those with other picks to move up. I would very much like him to be picked by the 'hawks. whether that happens is a different story. with the cap being what it is, I don't think many teams are going to want to gove up first rounders this year. I doubt we see much movement on day one of the draft. as far as who the mocks are saying, I've read good things about Holloway and I've read not so good things about him. that being said, I would say he is very likely to be the guy if he is there at 17. of course, last year we all thought Turcotte would surely be the guy and we know how that turned out. as far as the other guys you mentioned, no way does Askarov or Sanderson drop that far, those mocks need to be updated badly. if either is there at 17, Bowman should be sprinting to the pod..... errrrr, keyboard..... |
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Post by BigT on Oct 1, 2020 18:17:10 GMT -6
Hawks will lose the 17 pick due to Stan’s global mental delay. If not they’ll take Halloway from Wisconsin!!!
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 2, 2020 6:53:28 GMT -6
If they stay at 17, I could only say it will be a F or a C. If Strome actually does get traded (I've never been clear, are these rumblings coming from the front office or just from the media?), I think they look more at a C, if there's one that's good enough at that point. There are more D prospects than at F/C so they'll go upfront. I know I'm about the only one on here that would like to see Askarov be the pick but Stan would need to move up to get him. I know most are scared off by a G but this guy is a possible franchise type and when would the Hawks get another chance at a franchise type G. I feel in net is the weakest area of the team and I'd hate to see Stan give up assets just for a short term guy. I'm sure everyone is seeing these same names in mocks as the Hawks pick at 17. I've seen Dylan Holloway a couple of times, Anton Lundell a couple of times, although Lundell was mostly in earlier mocks. I saw one that had the Hawks bypassing Askarov at 17 and take Noel Gunler, with Askarov lasting until 20. Other names I've seen have been Jan Mysak, Mavrik Bourque, Dawson Mercer twice and Seth Jarvis in a video. I've seen Jake Sanderson's name anywhere from about 13 to the low 20's, but never to the Hawks. I go along with vadarx's comment; I'd like to see another first rd. pick added and I'd like to see Stan move up. let me start with: you are not the only one on the Askarov bandwagon, Aces! he is one of the reasons I would like to see Stan move whatever he has to out to get another first rounder and then package one of those with other picks to move up. I would very much like him to be picked by the 'hawks. whether that happens is a different story. with the cap being what it is, I don't think many teams are going to want to gove up first rounders this year. I doubt we see much movement on day one of the draft. as far as who the mocks are saying, I've read good things about Holloway and I've read not so good things about him. that being said, I would say he is very likely to be the guy if he is there at 17. of course, last year we all thought Turcotte would surely be the guy and we know how that turned out. as far as the other guys you mentioned, no way does Askarov or Sanderson drop that far, those mocks need to be updated badly. if either is there at 17, Bowman should be sprinting to the pod..... errrrr, keyboard..... I'm glad I'm not the only one that would like Askarov. I've read that several NHL people have called him the best G prospect since Carey Price and he just seems too good for Stan to not at least try to do what he needs to get in a position to draft him. I've read the same good and not so good things about Holloway. There was a writeup about Holloway on Blackhawk Up a few days ago and the author mentioned DH was a popular pick for the Hawks at 17 but he himself wasn't seeing it. He felt at 17 there would be better players available although he did say if Holloway developed he would be a steal but he wasn't as optimistic. DH's stats were 8 g's and 9 a's in 35 games. If Holloway is the pick at 17, let's hope he's turns out better than a previous Wisconsin Badger the Hawks had years ago.  |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 2, 2020 12:19:08 GMT -6
let me start with: you are not the only one on the Askarov bandwagon, Aces! he is one of the reasons I would like to see Stan move whatever he has to out to get another first rounder and then package one of those with other picks to move up. I would very much like him to be picked by the 'hawks. whether that happens is a different story. with the cap being what it is, I don't think many teams are going to want to gove up first rounders this year. I doubt we see much movement on day one of the draft. as far as who the mocks are saying, I've read good things about Holloway and I've read not so good things about him. that being said, I would say he is very likely to be the guy if he is there at 17. of course, last year we all thought Turcotte would surely be the guy and we know how that turned out. as far as the other guys you mentioned, no way does Askarov or Sanderson drop that far, those mocks need to be updated badly. if either is there at 17, Bowman should be sprinting to the pod..... errrrr, keyboard..... I'm glad I'm not the only one that would like Askarov. I've read that several NHL people have called him the best G prospect since Carey Price and he just seems too good for Stan to not at least try to do what he needs to get in a position to draft him. I've read the same good and not so good things about Holloway. There was a writeup about Holloway on Blackhawk Up a few days ago and the author mentioned DH was a popular pick for the Hawks at 17 but he himself wasn't seeing it. He felt at 17 there would be better players available although he did say if Holloway developed he would be a steal but he wasn't as optimistic. DH's stats were 8 g's and 9 a's in 35 games. If Holloway is the pick at 17, let's hope he's turns out better than a previous Wisconsin Badger the Hawks had years ago. I agree that there will likely be better players at 17 than Holloway. tbh, i kind of hope he isn't the pick. |
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Post by mvr on Oct 2, 2020 14:14:44 GMT -6
I would explore trading down a few spots and adding another high pick. There are many similarly ranked players at that slotting. A good one still should be available at 21-23.
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Post by vadarx on Oct 2, 2020 15:08:23 GMT -6
I would explore trading down a few spots and adding another high pick. There are many similarly ranked players at that slotting. A good one still should be available at 21-23. depending on who is available at 17 (ie, someone unexpected drops), i would be on board with this idea. |
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Post by mvr on Oct 2, 2020 17:14:45 GMT -6
You wait until it is the time to pick. If one of the big names has dropped, of course you pick the player. If the draft proceeds as expected and there are several of the second tier guys still there, you make the move and trade down a few spots. Then perhaps you consider trading down another few spots if the option again presents itself.
I suspect some very interesting prospects could still be around at the bottom of the first round.
Brandon Saad was the Hawks' fourth pick in his draft year. You can look at this in two ways- the Hawks scouts did a good job in finding him, or the Hawks blew three picks before getting him.
I believe the primary reason teams draft well is that they have more picks than teams which don't. The Hawks rebuilt their system in the Mike Smith/Dale Tallon years by hoarding draft picks and playing the odds. If you have seven picks, you're lucky to score with one. If you have 10 or more, the odds improve. It has little to do with good scouting and more to do with luck.
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 2, 2020 18:17:31 GMT -6
^^
I would agree that is a good idea. If all the players on their "can't pass up" list are gone and the prospects on the next level are all about the same, and assuming there are enough of them that the Hawks could get as good a player at 21-23 as they could at 17, moving back a few spots makes sense.
Although I can see a fly in the ointment; if the players expected to go around the 17-23 range are all about the same, other teams picking a little after the Hawks might not see any reason to move up if they could stay put and get as good a player at say, pick 21 as they could at 17.
Not saying they would think that way but there would have to be someone good enough to entice other teams to trade up. And if there was a prospect good enough to entice other teams to move up, maybe the Hawks should stay put and take him.
If that prospect was a d-man, and he wasn't significantly better than the young guys we have on D, the Hawks could consider it and gain a few extra assets. And extra assets can come in handy at times.
What we need to remember though is the key is how the teams themselves have the prospects rated and where they have them on their boards. I'm not saying it would happen but I'm sure at times teams can fall in love with certain guys for whatever reasons while maybe other teams aren't quite as high on him.
You're right about having more picks helps you in the draft because not everyone is going to develop.
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Post by Tater on Oct 3, 2020 0:54:46 GMT -6
With the cap situation, I bet most of the teams are looking to dump salary and grab some picks or move up. Might be harder this year to pull it off.
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Post by vadarx on Oct 3, 2020 2:39:38 GMT -6
With the cap situation, I bet most of the teams are looking to dump salary and grab some picks or move up. Might be harder this year to pull it off. a lot of teams are going to be looking to dump salary, but they won't be grabbing many picks to do so. more like they'll be dumping them, too. teams like the wangs are gonna build themselves a nice stockpile of picks this year and probably next..... |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 3, 2020 6:14:23 GMT -6
With the cap situation, I bet most of the teams are looking to dump salary and grab some picks or move up. Might be harder this year to pull it off. With the cap issue the next couple years and teams looking to dump salary, the question is what teams will be taking on these salary dumps? |
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Post by squishy24 on Oct 3, 2020 8:31:34 GMT -6
With the cap situation, I bet most of the teams are looking to dump salary and grab some picks or move up. Might be harder this year to pull it off. With the cap issue the next couple years and teams looking to dump salary, the question is what teams will be taking on these salary dumps? The Devils need a dman. Maybe they like Dehaan? Could give Dhan + 110, for their 99th? If Devils refused, can ask for their 120th instead of 99th (pure salary dump) Something like the above scenarios for a start, swap picks, add dehaan |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 3, 2020 9:10:09 GMT -6
With the cap issue the next couple years and teams looking to dump salary, the question is what teams will be taking on these salary dumps? The Devils need a dman. Maybe they like Dehaan? Could give Dhan + 110, for their 99th? If Devils refused, can ask for their 120th instead of 99th (pure salary dump) Something like the above scenarios for a start, swap picks, add dehaan I hope I'm wrong but I believe the Hawks will have to sweeten to move de Haan with 2X4.55M left.....I see no to little return. He was a salary dump last year and I don't see how playing only 29 reg season games due to ANOTHER shoulder injury helps. I still think Maata can fetch more but I could be wrong here too.......last summer hurt this team! |
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Post by squishy24 on Oct 3, 2020 9:33:14 GMT -6
The Devils need a dman. Maybe they like Dehaan? Could give Dhan + 110, for their 99th? If Devils refused, can ask for their 120th instead of 99th (pure salary dump) Something like the above scenarios for a start, swap picks, add dehaan I hope I'm wrong but I believe the Hawks will have to sweeten to move de Haan with 2X4.55M left.....I see no to little return. He was a salary dump last year and I don't see how playing only 29 reg season games due to ANOTHER shoulder injury helps. I still think Maata can fetch more but I could be wrong here too.......last summer hurt this team! Yea, most likely the second scenario. Swap picks and get the later rounds. Also, i thought he played well during the PO, granted its only 9games. If any of the dmen get moved, there should be a replacement in place. Hopefully someone just as “effective” but as cheapest as you can get. Trading Dehaan or Murphy or Maatta will leave a hole in D that i doubt any of the youngins (Boqvist, Mitchell, etc) can fill in immediately. Maybe in the long run theyll be better but its going to be another painful year or two |
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Post by hsbob on Oct 3, 2020 10:49:00 GMT -6
I hope I'm wrong but I believe the Hawks will have to sweeten to move de Haan with 2X4.55M left.....I see no to little return. He was a salary dump last year and I don't see how playing only 29 reg season games due to ANOTHER shoulder injury helps. I still think Maata can fetch more but I could be wrong here too.......last summer hurt this team! Yea, most likely the second scenario. Swap picks and get the later rounds. Also, i thought he played well during the PO, granted its only 9games. If any of the dmen get moved, there should be a replacement in place. Hopefully someone just as “effective” but as cheapest as you can get. Trading Dehaan or Murphy or Maatta will leave a hole in D that i doubt any of the youngins (Boqvist, Mitchell, etc) can fill in immediately. Maybe in the long run theyll be better but its going to be another painful year or two de Haan and Maata both were decent during the PO's and are decent in general,the thing is........NOBODY'S payin' 4-4.5M with two years left for decent any more. If all the next Keith's and Karlsson's ain't ready by 21,they might not be the next Keith's and Karlsson's. SB and JC both deemed the Joker expendable,the Joker played em all and played well last year @20. Like the FO,I have no idea if this team is a rebuild or a contender but unlike the FO......it ain't my job to know. |
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