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Post by LordKOTL on Nov 2, 2020 12:32:04 GMT -6
Hayes: Gone Danault: Gone Saad: Gone, twice T²: Gone El Gato: Still here Joker: Gone The counterpoint is that even though Stan has draft victories, How many have been kept? And yeah, I wasn't big on Dach but he didn't look out of place in the playoffs, so for now I'll consider it good. We'll see though, he's just had one year in the league and he can still have a sophomore slump or worse: become Sergei Samsonov. Ditto on Koob. Still, good draft picks mean all of jack and squat unless they, or their trade descendants, actually do something. That's why Joker for Nylander stings. Even if the 'hawks were preordained to lose Joker in expansion getting Nylander and only Nylander for him was a bad loss--especially since Nylander so far has been fate-tits on a Zombie-worthless. Technically Kevin Hayes was never with the Hawks, He went to college for 4 years and refused to sign with the Hawks. A lot of draft kids that go to college then never sign them afterwards. Now we had his brother Jimmy Hayes who wasn't that good, and the Hawks traded him away, Kevin decided not to sign with the Hawks because of that. Good point. My point still stands though: If there is a claim that a GM is good at drafting, it doesn't do their team any good if they don't keep the good players they draft. |
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Post by acesandeights on Nov 2, 2020 14:13:39 GMT -6
How many years do the Hawks have to sign guys like Vlasic and Commesso that were drafted from the USNTDP and started playing college hockey after they were drafted, with Commesso starting this season at BU. Do the Hawks still get up to four years to watch them?
What if Vlasic had gone to juniors after being drafted instead of Boston U.?
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Post by mvr on Nov 2, 2020 20:35:36 GMT -6
Aces:
One of the reasons to draft college players is that a team does not have to sign the player for the first four years after drafting him.
Typically, teams need to sign Junior players and find a place for them to play after two years.
In reality, this means teams don't have to make decisions about college players when they are 20. They also do not need to pay for their development at that time, unlike the junior graduates.
This advantage used to be fairly important, but it has lost much of its lustre over the years. The big problem is that the college player who finishes his four years can become a UFA. Most of the good ones use this leverage to force NHL teams to sign them early (under very favourable terms) or lose them. In other words, teams aren't saving much money using this approach any longer.
If Vlasic had gone to juniors, he would be on the two year plan. Now he has three more, but hopefully he signs next year. As it stands, Commesso has four years to finish college before the Hawks lose his rights if he does not sign.
I believe most prospects with potential are better off playing professionally in the AHL rather than in college or junior as soon as possible. The longer a player delays this experience, the less likely he will reach his full potential.
I believe NHL teams can retain the rights for European prospects indefinitely. This was one of General Manager Mike Smith's main reasons for drafting so many of them when running teams on shoestring budgets.
The trading value of these prospects, however, tends to dip as they age. The Hawks, as an example, managed to pick up Kubalik's rights for a fifth round pick.
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Post by mvr on Nov 2, 2020 20:49:05 GMT -6
Big T: If your kid is good enough to play in the OHL, I would encourage you to allow him to follow his dreams.
He can't go wrong either way. College is enormous fun (even if it is not the best path for developing hockey players). I am quite sure Dylan Sikura has no regrets.
There is more to life than NHL hockey.
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Post by BigT on Nov 2, 2020 21:58:40 GMT -6
Big T: If your kid is good enough to play in the OHL, I would encourage you to allow him to follow his dreams. He can't go wrong either way. College is enormous fun (even if it is not the best path for developing hockey players). I am quite sure Dylan Sikura has no regrets. There is more to life than NHL hockey. He’s 9 years old. He has phenomenal individual skill. However he is only 9. He’s yet to have a girlfriend, drink a beer that’s not mine, and take a hit in the sport. Although at his compete level there’s some really good collisions and he’s been on both ends, and that doesn’t seem to bother him. But the other two........ I’ve seen my share of buddies bow out to party and pick up chicks. I get it. But again, we’ll see, he may not wanna play in 3-4 years. I will say it’s pretty exciting to watch the games. When you see a 9 year old pull off the lacrosse goal or the Forsberg one hand goal, it’s pretty cool. Definitely worth the price of free admission! If we get to choose. I would choose the OHL over NCAA for hockey only. If he is a middle of the road kid that has an opportunity for NCAA, or be part of an OHL farm team (Jr B). I’ll send him to the NCAA to get the education and the experience out of it!!! |
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Post by acesandeights on Nov 3, 2020 8:25:28 GMT -6
Aces: One of the reasons to draft college players is that a team does not have to sign the player for the first four years after drafting him. Typically, teams need to sign Junior players and find a place for them to play after two years. In reality, this means teams don't have to make decisions about college players when they are 20. They also do not need to pay for their development at that time, unlike the junior graduates. This advantage used to be fairly important, but it has lost much of its lustre over the years. The big problem is that the college player who finishes his four years can become a UFA. Most of the good ones use this leverage to force NHL teams to sign them early (under very favourable terms) or lose them. In other words, teams aren't saving much money using this approach any longer. If Vlasic had gone to juniors, he would be on the two year plan. Now he has three more, but hopefully he signs next year. As it stands, Commesso has four years to finish college before the Hawks lose his rights if he does not sign. I believe most prospects with potential are better off playing professionally in the AHL rather than in college or junior as soon as possible. The longer a player delays this experience, the less likely he will reach his full potential. I believe NHL teams can retain the rights for European prospects indefinitely. This was one of General Manager Mike Smith's main reasons for drafting so many of them when running teams on shoestring budgets. The trading value of these prospects, however, tends to dip as they age. The Hawks, as an example, managed to pick up Kubalik's rights for a fifth round pick. Thanks. I was used to players having played a year in college or juniors before getting drafted but wasn't sure about players that were drafted off the US Dev. Team. It makes sense where they play after being drafted would determine how long the teams have to sign them. One thing I found last year when I looked up the destination shown for last year's USNTDP roster prior to the draft was they overwhelmingly went the college route. Except for a few not shown with a destination, all the others showed college. I don't know if that changes any from year to year or not. |
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Post by T-man2010 on Apr 24, 2021 19:01:34 GMT -6
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