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Post by vadarx on Oct 3, 2020 17:56:21 GMT -6
going to officially log my first round draft pick prediction(s) now:
it will be either Holloway or Brisson.
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Post by acesandeights on Oct 4, 2020 9:22:52 GMT -6
I saw a mock from Newsday that was updated Oct. 3, at 5:26pm.
It had the Hawks taking Connor Zary. He seemed decent enough until the last comment which said his biggest negative was skating ability, "which some question" it said. I have read his skating really isn't bad and has decent speed so that comment may be a little overly negative.
It had Winnipeg taking Jake Sanderson at 10 and Nashville taking Askarov at 12. And Holloway going to Calgary at 19.
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 4, 2020 10:19:07 GMT -6
Is it just me or does it seem whoever SB takes will be a bust regardless?
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Post by jacksalmon on Oct 4, 2020 11:00:12 GMT -6
Is it just me or does it seem whoever SB takes will be a bust regardless? It is not just you. I know my memory is weak, but has SB taken anyone in the last several years that has amounted to anything close to a top quality NHL player? I am too lazy to go thru the records. But, some of you guys who live and breathe this stuff will know the answer. I think the answer will be that he has not. This year will not be any different either. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 4, 2020 11:17:55 GMT -6
Is it just me or does it seem whoever SB takes will be a bust regardless? It is not just you. I know my memory is weak, but has SB taken anyone in the last several years that has amounted to anything close to a top quality NHL player? I am too lazy to go thru the records. But, some of you guys who live and breathe this stuff will know the answer. I think the answer will be that he has not. This year will not be any different either. Dach? 😛 |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 4, 2020 11:29:42 GMT -6
I saw a mock from Newsday that was updated Oct. 3, at 5:26pm. It had the Hawks taking Connor Zary. He seemed decent enough until the last comment which said his biggest negative was skating ability, "which some question" it said. I have read his skating really isn't bad and has decent speed so that comment may be a little overly negative. It had Winnipeg taking Jake Sanderson at 10 and Nashville taking Askarov at 12. And Holloway going to Calgary at 19. yeah, I saw that. Zary sounds like a playmaker and good two way player, but his skating is definitely lacking. not sure I feel great about that, personally. I haven't seen much of him besides highlights, though, which makes it hard to say. from what I have read, he sounds like a "safe" pick. a guy that will probably make the league and be a bottom 6 guy but *might* turn into a 2LC. honestly, i think we could do better at 17. edit: lol, I see SCH just picked him in their mock as well..... |
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Post by T-man2010 on Oct 4, 2020 12:30:21 GMT -6
Is it just me or does it seem whoever SB takes will be a bust regardless? It is not just you. I know my memory is weak, but has SB taken anyone in the last several years that has amounted to anything close to a top quality NHL player? I am too lazy to go thru the records. But, some of you guys who live and breathe this stuff will know the answer. I think the answer will be that he has not. This year will not be any different either. D-Cat. |
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Post by Tater on Oct 4, 2020 13:10:46 GMT -6
that was my first thought too, but I didn't post it because I hate to defend Stan in any way.  |
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Post by galaxytrash on Oct 5, 2020 18:18:49 GMT -6
this was premiered just a few minutes ago.
about 5 1/2 minutes in they start tossing names around about the #17 pick.
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Post by BigT on Oct 5, 2020 20:03:08 GMT -6
Thanks GT. By the looks of it, Stan doesn’t say or do much with the draft. Mark Kelley did everything there. Like everything. Every time I see a behind the scenes video with Stan, I really question if he knows what ice hockey is.
If the pick is kept, I still think they’ll take either Seth Jarvis or Dylan Holloway!!!
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Post by vadarx on Oct 5, 2020 21:41:27 GMT -6
I already stated who I think they take. now I ask: who do you want them to take?
at 17, I would like to see them take Guhle. that's right, I said it! a defenseman!
so then..... who ya got?
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Post by OldTimeHawky on Oct 6, 2020 5:24:54 GMT -6
I already stated who I think they take. now I ask: who do you want them to take? at 17, I would like to see them take Guhle. that's right, I said it! a defenseman! so then..... who ya got? If he's still on the board I'd gladly take the big dman. |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 6, 2020 12:03:02 GMT -6
I've yet to see a d prospect we have picked that looks like a future number 1. not to mention, most of them are tiny. I figured a big lefty who is solid in his own zone, skates well, and has a solid shot (but isn't particularly proven offensively) would be worth a shot at 17.
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Post by BigT on Oct 6, 2020 12:16:43 GMT -6
I think the Hawks will look to move up with moving Beaudin. Maybe Florida sends us 12 for 17 and Beaudin? Or maybe NJ sends us 7 for Saad, 17 and Beaudin? We lose salary and get to select a player probably ready to step in now? Just some thoughts!!!
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Post by BigT on Oct 6, 2020 12:23:31 GMT -6
Also, Buffalo is looking for help now to make Eichel happy. They possess pick 8. I could see them taking 17, Saad and Beaudin for 8. While it’s a lot to give up, we also dump salary while getting a shot at a top talent. I would like to see the Hawks make a move like this!!!
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Post by Tater on Oct 6, 2020 12:37:11 GMT -6
Also, Buffalo is looking for help now to make Eichel happy. They possess pick 8. I could see them taking 17, Saad and Beaudin for 8. While it’s a lot to give up, we also dump salary while getting a shot at a top talent. I would like to see the Hawks make a move like this!!! I thought Eichel was all but done with Buffalo? Otherwise, I like your ideas.
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Post by BigT on Oct 6, 2020 12:42:41 GMT -6
At 8, I take either Holtz or Perfetti!!!
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Post by vadarx on Oct 6, 2020 13:19:45 GMT -6
At 8, I take either Holtz or Perfetti!!! I would love to move up. shedding salary and moving up would be even better. as far as who we would take at 8, it would depend a lot on who is left. 1-3 seem pretty well set, after that it seems like a free-for-all. personally, I'd rather snag a center over a winger if we were picking that high. I also wouldn't be opposed to taking Askarov there. all depends on who is available. |
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Post by mvr on Oct 6, 2020 13:43:33 GMT -6
Vegas is shopping MA Fleury hard at half price and is rumoured to be including a second and perhaps a first round pick to get the deal done. The idea is for a team to be a broker between two teams.
Chicago should definitely get involved here. I would ask for Krebs to be included along with the first, and in return I would offer Vegas their second round pick back and perhaps Subban.
The dead cap space could be recouped in a trade involving Debrincat.
I might also consider swallowing Fleury's contract whole if Vegas upped the ante.
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Post by mvr on Oct 6, 2020 13:52:19 GMT -6
The Hawks could just buy out Fleury after acquiring him.
Under the terms of a buyout, Fleury would be paid $8.33 million. That's two-thirds of his remaining base salary. Vegas would take on the following cap hits over the next four seasons: $2.58 million, $3.08 million, $2.08 million and $2.08 million. Fleury would be a free agent
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Post by BigT on Oct 6, 2020 13:53:28 GMT -6
Vegas is shopping MA Fleury hard at half price and is rumoured to be including a second and perhaps a first round pick to get the deal done. Chicago should definitely get involved here. I would ask for Krebs to be included along with the first, and in return I would offer Vegas their second round pick back and perhaps Subban. If, and that’s a big if. If the Vegans would retain salary and send us Krebs. I’d do that in a western minute. But I think to unload that much salary they’ll require a team to accept all of it. Now. If the Hawks could trade pick 17, Saad and Beaudin to Buffalo for pick 8. That would free up enough space to take on Fleury and get their 1st (29). I’d do it for sure. He has 2 years left and that would be acceptable to carry for 2 years. Plus we get #8, 29 out of this years first round!!! |
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Post by vadarx on Oct 6, 2020 13:55:37 GMT -6
all these good ideas and probably nothing will happen.....
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Post by vadarx on Oct 6, 2020 13:58:15 GMT -6
I'd also add that I'll bet the fucking wangs will jump all over the MAF trade. they are going to make out like bandits because of the cap crunch....
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Post by shooter61 on Oct 6, 2020 14:44:30 GMT -6
Thanks GT. By the looks of it, Stan doesn’t say or do much with the draft. Mark Kelley did everything there. Like everything. Every time I see a behind the scenes video with Stan, I really question if he knows what ice hockey is. If the pick is kept, I still think they’ll take either Seth Jarvis or Dylan Holloway!!! That's because Kelly is a smart man, I'm not worried about the pick , who ever he takes will be the best that's left, My worry is what Stan does with the pick afterwards, that scares the hell out of me. I hope they go to the Q and pick the newfie, Dawson Mercer, just hope he is still there at 17 |
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Post by shooter61 on Oct 6, 2020 14:54:01 GMT -6
Is it just me or does it seem whoever SB takes will be a bust regardless? It is not just you. I know my memory is weak, but has SB taken anyone in the last several years that has amounted to anything close to a top quality NHL player? I am too lazy to go thru the records. But, some of you guys who live and breathe this stuff will know the answer. I think the answer will be that he has not. This year will not be any different either. I don't know why you guys think that , go back and look at the last 10 drafts and compare who took who, we have done well every year, lol, it seems that we suck at the draft because if you look at out roster, except for the core and saad and cat we have nothing to show for it , good old Stan traded them all away |
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Post by shooter61 on Oct 6, 2020 14:56:58 GMT -6
Also, Buffalo is looking for help now to make Eichel happy. They possess pick 8. I could see them taking 17, Saad and Beaudin for 8. While it’s a lot to give up, we also dump salary while getting a shot at a top talent. I would like to see the Hawks make a move like this!!! I thought Eichel was all but done with Buffalo? Otherwise, I like your ideas.
Not me , with all the money Stan saves , he will get a couple more dehans , mattas , smiths and shaw, don't trust him to win a trade , |
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Post by BigT on Oct 6, 2020 15:38:48 GMT -6
Thanks GT. By the looks of it, Stan doesn’t say or do much with the draft. Mark Kelley did everything there. Like everything. Every time I see a behind the scenes video with Stan, I really question if he knows what ice hockey is. If the pick is kept, I still think they’ll take either Seth Jarvis or Dylan Holloway!!! That's because Kelly is a smart man, I'm not worried about the pick , who ever he takes will be the best that's left, My worry is what Stan does with the pick afterwards, that scares the hell out of me. I hope they go to the Q and pick the newfie, Dawson Mercer, just hope he is still there at 17 Mercer is not even a point per game player in Jrs. What makes you think that he’s gonna be a star in the NHL? Honest question. Maybe you know something very one else doesn’t!!! |
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Post by mvr on Oct 6, 2020 16:09:22 GMT -6
Regarding Fleury - This is what I would do.
Offer to take the entire Fleury contract along with Krebs and a 1st. Give them Zach Smith, Subban and a third round pick.
Vegas buys out Smith and saves over six million on the cap. Their cap issues have been solved.
The Hawks keep Fleury for the year and buy him out next summer. With Smith off the books, they have in effect spent about $4.5 M of the $11 M left on the cap. They can still sign Kubalik, Strome and Koekkoek easily to short term deals.
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Post by mvr on Oct 6, 2020 16:15:54 GMT -6
Big T - Instead of Saad, let's shop Debrincat to Buffalo. Offer Debrincat and Strome for Cozens and the 8th pick.
Saad can go to the Canadiens for their first round pick, and Murphy can go to Toronto for their first pick.
Now we are set for the off-season.
Bowman can then offer cap space for many potential trade dumps, and start really setting this team up for the long term.
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Post by BigT on Oct 6, 2020 16:50:27 GMT -6
Big T - Instead of Saad, let's shop Debrincat to Buffalo. Offer Debrincat and Strome for Cozens and the 8th pick. Saad can go to the Canadiens for their first round pick, and Murphy can go to Toronto for their first pick. Now we are set for the off-season. Bowman can then offer cap space for many potential trade dumps, and start really setting this team up for the long term. I think you’re close. Toronta can’t really take on much salary right now. I’m not sure the Vegans give up that much, especially if Smith is going back the other way. I’d even settle for Krebs. If the Habs would trade that pick for Saad. I’d do it. I’d also do the Buffalo trade too. Imagine having Fleury, Cozens, Perfetti, Halloway and Jarvis/Hendrix/Mercer? Yes it’ll hurt short term, but moving forward, this would severely help out!!! Edit: If Toronta had the cap space, and would do that. We would have the 15/16/17 picks along with 8. Remember Boston in 2015 when they did something similar? And they retooled very quickly!!! |
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